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To be blunt: Anno is a plagiarist hack.

The top is from the novel 'the General Zapped An Angel.'
And the bottom is from the theatrical 'End of Evangelion.'

Why is this allowed?
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>>13797545

>postmodernism = selling plagiarism disguised as insight
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The top was used for multiple books, actually.
None of which resemble the plot of EoE.
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If i was moot i would just have deleted /m/ once SEED finished airing
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>>13797545

Sorry, anon. But you actually cannot say that.

Plagiarism is a crime, and you are making a legal accusation. This is slander.

Because you are making a legal accusation, whether you are right or not depend son the legal application of the case at hand.

End of Evangelion isn't plagiarism of "The General Zapped an Angel", because "The General Zapped an Angel" is a collection of short stories, none of which has a plot which is identical to any plotline in Evangelion. Your only point of evidence is one of the three different cover art pieces that the book has been published under, none of which actually show anything relevant to the content of the book itself, and between which there are substantial differences enough to prevent any legal action. For much the same reason as why, after the filmography of Alfred Hitchcock, it isn't plagiarism to shoot scenes of stairwells as long as you do not literally re-use his footage.

So you are wrong, and you should stop being so wrong.
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>>13797583
If I was moot I would have sold you all out to the highest bidder as soon as possible. Just kiddin I love you all too much to do that.
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>>13797638
Anno doesn't have to commit plagiarism to still be a hack.
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>>13797818
>Uh, well, he's just shit cause I say so!
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It's allowed because reference, allusion, and homage aren't illegal.
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>>13797818

Sorry, but you said a thing that was verifiably wrong and you got called out on it.

Go back to the shadows from whence you came. Tell your master that we are not afraid of your kind.
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>>13797856

op was just frustrated by his favorite show, greco, constantly being called shit, so he decided to strike out in some manner. it failed.
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Personally, I refuse to believe Anno created Eva without seeing Zeorymer at least once.
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>>13797905
Ok?
What do they have in common? Main characters being various levels of beta?
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>>13797545
Oh look, it's this copypasta again. Did /a/ permaban your ass so hard that you had to come here?
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>>13797898
I'm afraid I don't see the connection between Greco-Roman wrestling and Neon Genesis Evangelion. Care to enlighten me?
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>>13798156
They're both really gay.
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>>13798197
It took me a moment to realize their hands are meant to form a Q and not a penis penetrating a gaping anus.
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>>13797905
They are pretty similar. Also, obligatory mention of Getter Robo Go
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>>13797905
man creating stuff needs inspiration, in fact eva its such a think because its inspired by multiple media, not only anime but manga toku and western movies and books, you canĀ“t make up good stuff out of your ass by your own
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>>13798892
Also putting fake Christian symbolism everywhere.

I find the fact that the writers used Christian imagery the same way most Western media uses Easter imagery to be really funny.
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>>13798898
It never hinted itself to be more than a simple motif like a toku motif
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Why do you wait till EOE stuff to make these connections?
In the show alone you got Ultraman, Andromeda Strain and Space Odyssey shit.
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>>13798915
>>13798892
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>>13798205
Oh, I thought they were alluding to the bomb collar...
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>>13797905
Wait I don't get his one.
Besides the girl turns out to be a product of forbidden science thing.
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>>13798931
Maybe the secret organization with a world-saving giant robot, and Masato or whatshisface being a big wuss at the start of the OVA and not wanting to get in the robot

But that's not the only series like that by far.
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hey /m/

why do western fans deny Ultraman's influence on Evangelion?

Giants of light, ineffectual super science powered military organizations, crucifixion, mega-scale gore, 3 minute power limits, foreign mythology reinterpreted as vague sci-fi weirdness...

Is it just out of a lack of respect for the franchise?

Hell you could probably describe Evangelion most succinctly as Ultraman+X-Files
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>>13798950
just idiots deny, anno and utlraman go together
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>>13798950
>Ultraman+Devilman
Ftfy
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>>13798950
>why do western fans deny Ultraman's influence on Evangelion?
Because the only westerners with decent exposure to Ultraman in the west are like in their 60s+.
People tend to just get defensive if you try to inform them about something they have never even heard of before (in this case Ultraman), specially if they claim to be diehard Eva fans that know everything there is to know about the series.
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>>13798950
>>13798963
>Ultraman+Devilman+Childhood's End channeled through Mazinger Z
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>>13798975
I think the Childhood's End thing is pretty exclusive to EoE.
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>>13798975
Don't forget Getter Robo Go :^)
tfw Getterfags are so desperate to pretend that their series had any impact on anything of value that they legitimately post this
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>>13797545

Evangelion clearly ripped off Back to the Future II.

>mad scientist with crazy hair
>beta protagonist
>wanting to fuck your mom
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>>13798950
Because it

1) Means acknowledging Anno being an otaku and NGE being Otaku angst, which destroyes image of evangelion being made by an auter in a french environment

2)simplifies the central theme and destroys "hurr it is actually 2deep4u plebians" evageeks
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>>13804416
>Means acknowledging Anno being an otaku and NGE being Otaku angst, which destroyes image of evangelion being made by an auter in a french environment

Why not both.jpg
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What's wrong with you guys? Post some fucking evas.
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>>13797545
Jesus Christ, guys, just look at these fucking rip-off artists. Just straight stealing people's shit and putting their names on it. I bet ELO didn't even get royalties for this shit:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nkc4eBCy3Sk

GAINAX BTFO. Evafags on suicide watch.
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>>13806551
I'm not sure which type of reply you're seeking, but here's one anyway.
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>>13806551

I do not hthgign that it ia rip off because when you are doing a rip off yuou are baiscally doign fanffiction and hwne you are fanficiton you are not ripping off but instad you are sesentialy doing something that is between rip off and orignal work because orignal work is not oiriginal ounlessit is not turpope before but it is always trope before so there is no oriignal that is not also a rip off so that all things are fanficiton of triopps and atropes all becme fanfiction so therte is no differtnce betwen rogiinality and ripoof
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>>13806680
Fuck off, imposter.
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Anno anime = ripping off everything he loved as a child. That's it.

Eva is a big mashup of tokusatsu and dynamic pro mecha with a sprinkle of Ideon and UFO (the 70s TV series).

And no, that's not saying anything about Evangelion's quality as a watchable anime. But faggots need to stop saying Evangelion invented everything when it's more like it stole everything.
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>>13797545

Have you never even seen 'everything's a remix'?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9ryPC8bxqE

no one should have a problem with anno taking inspiration and remixing, it's literally how everything is created.
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>>13806779
Oh you're the worst kind of moron. Sure, every single story in existence is similar to other stories. That's obvious, seeing as they're all made by human minds which conceptualize along certain patterns. But that doesn't mean plagiarism and copy/pasting stories doesn't exist. Pull the trigger, anon. No one will miss you.
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>>13806849

Assuming you didn't watch the video, because copy-pasting stories, redoing scenes shot for shot, and reusing visual themes and designs are all things done often and done well by almost everyone in visual media.

We can all go home everyone, this guy would prefer to just shitpost than learn anything.
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>>13806920
They aren't done by competent creators. Not ever to the extent that you're describing.
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>>13806849
>>13806972
So what story is Eva a 1:1 copy of?

>inb4 Childhoods' End
No it isn't, and you haven't read that.
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>>13797545
Gee OP, who isn't a plagiarist hack by your definition?

Please, I'll wait for an answer
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>>13804263
This seems like a pretty typical typical reactionary GL fan post. There's nothing wrong with mentioning Getter influence in mecha considering the impact it had on transforming mecha,.
Though it doesn't have much place with Eva.
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>>13808298
What's Green Lantern got to do with anything?
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>>13808308
because getter rays are green
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>>13808308
>>13808319
stop
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>>13808298
http://forum.evageeks.org/thread/10242/Translated-interview-between-Nagai-and-Anno/
>Same for the Getter Robo anime The manga of Master Ken Ishikawa was like a bible to me.
I don't know how that can't be an influence with a statement like that.
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>>13804263
>Eva
>not influenced by Getter Go
It kind of takes a little more from Ken Ishikawa's other series than Getter, but there's still a nod to it here and there.

I don't see why people get upset about Evangelion's relationship with other series. Yeah, Anno put a LOT of scenes, designs, references, influences, elements, whatever into Evangelion. It's not a worse work for it.
What I think is that people either get upset at most Eva fans being ignorant little shits spouting nonsensical praises and hardcore Eva fans feel like others are saying Eva is worthless. Stop being so reactionary.
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>>13797898
Ahahaha
Who's the one really butthurt here anon
Don't really get what Greco has to do with evangelion or anno
Though I'll admit I was annoyed too when Greco and his tallgeese lost against Niels, but I don't spend all day every shitposting about it
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>>13808968
>evageeks
>reliable source
Kill yourself.
>>13808984
>>13808298
Same to you.
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>>13812503
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>>13806972

This is demonstrably false, actually. Name what you call a "competent creator" so we can explain why you are wrong.
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>>13812615
Dante Alighieri
Robert E. Howard
John Milton
Howard Pyle
Try your damndest, newfaggot.
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>>13812982
my sides
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