> Iron-Blooded Orphans has a lot of moving parts, but it's only deceptively complex; this episode starts out confusing (due to the relatively haphazard way they introduce all the various factions and the sizable cast) but as it goes on it all becomes very clear. - Zach Bertschy on episode 1.
>>13795001 That's not true. Compare the forum posts between it and a show that did get very popular OPM http://myanimelist.net/anime/31251/Mobile_Suit_Gundam__Iron-Blooded_Orphans/forum http://myanimelist.net/anime/30276/One_Punch_Man/forum
IBO has barely made a dent and struggles to get to the 100 post count over week
>>13795036 It's not surprising OPM is more popular in West, giant robots are very Japanese thing while OPM is basically cape comic fans' wet dream, it's the kind of show that appeals outside anime nerd audience as well
>>13795058 Would Aldnoah been so popular if the marketing wasn't so successful? It's extremely ordinary and generic show but before it started it had these huge announcements even on Japanese news paper and it was going through typical Aniplex shilling. Not to mention they tried to bait viewers with Urobuchi who didn't even have much to do with the show. Of course Gundam always gets hyped as well but not like some Aniplex shows do.
>>13795088 Not for a show with heavy marketing and coming on just before yugioh. BF and Greco were both able to get similar numbers despite much less advertising and worse slots. Never mind this was being pushed as the next 00 which it isn't even close to
>>13795142 Both shows have shitty interaction. It doesn't change that IBO is also full on yaoi bait with many scenes obviously meant to push that. Hell shippers don't even need shit to be pushed that hard they'll see what they want to
>>13795148 >Hell shippers don't even need shit to be pushed that hard they'll see what they want to That's how I see, when I watch Osomatsu-san I don't see those six BROTHERS that way but apparently girls do because it gets so much gay art. IBO even has supposedly homosexual guy but maybe fujos don't like it when it comes to the real deal.
>>13795158 >IBO even has supposedly homosexual guy but maybe fujos don't like it when it comes to the real deal. I think it is because it hits the bad middle point. It isn't a few tiny things so people get excited at this little possibility amongst other stuff, but their interaction also doesn't get a huge focus. They get a few very plain scenes that are obvious but not done in the right way. Like if you watch an episode of Free you see how these characters are paired and talk, there is a certain way
>>13793894 The MC kills people and doesn't whine about it and it appeals to people who don't watch mecha in general. Most normalfags on twitter/tumblr/facebook what have you that rave from my perspective have all said they haven't watched a Gundam show since 00. The boxy,parade colored robot with a face and fingers to hold it's action gun looks like "an actual tool of war" and not a toy like literally every other mobilesuit. The characters are deep and bring out "feels" and not really cliche and flat to them.
>>13795310 >IBO and 00 appeal to people who don't know anything about anime >they like that the Gundam looks intimidating and edgy >and that the MC is a boring kid without any character conflicts >the boring characters bring out feels in boring people
>>13795310 >The boxy,parade colored robot with a face and fingers to hold it's action gun looks like "an actual tool of war" and not a toy like literally every other mobilesuit. Barbatos is by far the most unrealistic Gundam design so far sans actual super robot Gundams like Quan[t] or Wing Zero Custom.
I like the cast and think they interact well together, especially the dynamics between Mika (follower who starts to think for himself), Orga (leader who feels like he's the one being led) and Kudelia (peace princess archetype who's completely out of her depth). I like all the supporting characters even if they've not yet gotten a chance to shine because their characters and lines have conveyed their humanity to me effectively. The villains so far have not been too good but I'm willing to invest my time to see if McGills and Ein develop further. I also enjoy the interplay between Kudelia's backer and the Gjallarhorn factions in their plan to use the revolutionary leader to justify their own continued existence.
Also I like that Mika, while a good pilot, is often just a small part of the battles where the moment of victory has come more than once from the warship Isaribi itself executing a dangerous ram, boarding action, or acrobatics, along with infantry assaults and gun battles on top of the mobile suit stuff. Other gundam shows often have their carrier ships as being static in combat with a few enjoyable exceptions, and IBO is using it more often so I like that.
As to the mechanical design I like it because it feels a bit different from the more blocky stuff we got from BF and AGE, though it's not as good as Reco I do quite like Bandai's aping Tomino's trend from that show of making Gundams look more varied. The animation itself isn't fantastic but Sunrise has a track record of this anyway.
I don't think it's perfect (for one thing a lot of the events are too predictable) but when people say it's slow or there's nothing happening it doesn't gel with me because I like the cast and I don't mind more time being spent hanging around with them. And also I like drama, so watching Kudelia stew in her own uselessness until she breaks like the latest ep is sadistically enjoyable. I hope she gets reforged into a Euphinator.
Its got the Gundam name on it and its currently airing. Give it two years after it finishes, and I doubt anyone will even remember it other than obligatory mention in passing as part of the Gundam franchise.
Frankly, I dropped it after the first episode because the character designs really threw me. Some of the characters, like the MC, look like they were designed by completely different people in different styles than the rest of the characters. So I have Yugioh standing next to Archer, and then the scene changes to guys fresh off the set of Star Driver. That was kind of annoying, and nothing else in the first episode hooked me enough to make putting up with that mild, mild annoyance at all attractive.
The tankbots were really cool and I was hoping that they would end up being important, but the moment an actual mobilesuit showed up I knew they wouldn't even be worth mentioning as cannon fodder, because enemy grunt MS was literally immune to all of their weapons. Shame.
>>13793894 I don't know man. I actually liked it until they went to space but fuck all has happened since then and even when they do try to create tense moments the show falls flat on its face. The colony rebellion was so fucking stupid.
>>13795310 >The MC kills people and doesn't whine about it and it appeals to people who don't watch mecha in general. Most normalfags on twitter/tumblr/facebook what have you that rave from my perspective have all said they haven't watched a Gundam show since 00. >The boxy,parade colored robot with a face and fingers to hold it's action gun looks like "an actual tool of war" and not a toy like literally every other mobilesuit. The characters are deep and bring out "feels" and not really cliche and flat to them.
>>13802464 Mika started out really interesting but they've done hardly anything with him since like the third episode. The way Mika constantly looks up to Orga and does whatever he commands without second thought lead me to believe he'd end up commanding him to kill someone close to him in the future like Atra or something causing a rift within Tekkadan.
>>13802491 Do you have any idea how short the series would be if Mika got any focus? He'll kill every single antagonist in the span of four episodes, then retire with Arta and Kudelia to build the farm.
>>13802505 >Why do you retards care about IBO so much if you hate it? Because it has the gundam name attached to it. It's as simple as this. If this was some no name random mecha show, everyone would have dropped this a long time ago.
>>13793894 Many jumped to catch up the latest show of the season.Many viewers just watch whatever is airing and move onto to next without any forethought.Just see how many watching Thunderbolt and Origin without seeing even the 0079 movie trilogy.
No prerequisites and prior viewing of previous entries.
Available on Gundaminfo youtube channel and western streaming sites like daisuki and crunchyroll.(Compared to G-Reco which aired in Australian site, uploaded on gundaminfo after the series finsihed it's run in Japan and already dissed to the point that nobody bothered).
It would remain millennial babby's 1st gundam apart from 00.
>>13804098 >Good is subjective I love this meme. Standards for storytelling exist, and if you're watching the kind of cheapt melodrama and shit characterization that an ignorant teenager would enjoy, then your standards for entertainment probably aren't that high.
>>13804120 >Yeah but you don't have any basis for defining your standards beside personal taste. >Standards in story telling don't exist What little bubble do you live in where you never had to even attempt to take any classes on, or stumble into discussion of literary analysis in any form?
I'm starting to see backlash forming against the show because of how repetitive it is, making the slow pacing even worse since it's just generic characters saying and doing the same things every episode for half the season. Not even the few fights we've gotten have saved this series because of how lackluster it is. I'm also seeing people say how this show needs 50 episodes to tell it's story and how rushed it would have to be to finish it up in 25. That it won't be satisfying.
I'm expecting a lot of people to turn on IBO after it's done if we don't get the second season places like Gundamguy, Crunchyroll and ANN promised.
Well, gimme your literary analysis framework instead of just pussyfooting around and calling my taste shit for no reason, Mickey. I'd like something more solid than an ad hominem and "it's bad because I say so".
>>13804125 This is what happens with many mech shows that get popular with non mech fans
Most anime is written in a way to make everything seem super big and relevant so people get excited and hooked, but then they have no idea how to stick the landing. It doesn't mater cause at the time people get into it thinking all this stuff will mean something, it's only at the end they go oh wait well at least that start was good!
>>13804129 >ad hominem Well first of all, it's clear you don't know what that words means. Ad hominem doesn't mean "He hurt my feelings".
If you want an example, let's go with a very basic one: Pacing. Pacing is a very important aspect of story telling you need to balance regardless of medium. Introducing a long lost brother, then immediately killing him off for drama, or introducing a long lost brother only to have him immediately kidnap and then go through an ordeal with a main character, or giving a character a series of flashbacks to characterize them only to immediately kill them are all examples of poor pacing, because it assumes you're audience is too stupid to remember anything and tie events together unless you introduce a concept and then immediately blow your load.
Having your plot have events that are intuitive as a result of logical thought processes is also important. Contrivances and leaps in logic are universally seen as a bad thing. For example, why didn't the kids check their cargo? Why doesn't anyone know what Kudelia looks like? How did Kudelia alone survive the shootout? How did Fumitan teleport into the battlefield the second a bullet was going to fired and go undetected and why did the snipers run out of plot bullets? Stuff like that.
The last one is metaphors. Anime is a visual medium, and requires you to show metaphors. Visual symbolism takes some semblance of tact to pull off, and creating a visual metaphor (the flow fireworks) and then spending 2 minutes literally explaining the comparison to their lives instead of letting the audience draw connections is unacceptable, and shows that you assume your audience is actually retarded.
Hope that helps, and I hope you're not stupid enough to say "Well those important story telling aspects that have been discussed for centuries and scrutinized don't count because they're just an opinion."
Ad hominem means attacking the person not the argument, anon.
I think you make some good points, especially about pacing, but they don't really clash too badly with the reasons why I enjoy the show. The fact that Guts meets his brother soon after mentioning him isn't going to impact the fact that I like Guts and his feelings about said brother.
As to your logic leaps issue, I agree that Fumitan moving so quickly was annoying but I think the other ones are easy for me to infer. The kids didn't check the cargo because they got it from their employers, and Orga swore a bond of trust with the Turbines and didn't think any more of it. It may have been foolish but I can believe the kids would do that. As to why nobody recognized Kudelia it's just an extention of the fact nobody gives a fuck about colonials, and they simply mistook a blonde-haired girl who arrived with the Tekkadan as another blonde-haired girl who arrived with the Tekkadan. The bullets thing they explicitly state that they'd be caught by the Gjallarhorn sweep but I think that answer wouldn't satisfy you.
There are metaphors in the show such as he ship gradually getting more lively as kids start drawing things on walls, but I agree it's a very talky show. However since my main interest is in character interaction it really doesn't bother me and in fact gives me more time to enjoy the cast talking to each other, so it's actually a plus in my book for now.
You've made a good case and I'm happy to admit that, anon.
>>13804172 >Ad hominem means attacking the person not the argument, anon. Ad hominem means attacking them IN PLACE of attacking the arguement. "You're an idiot, therefore you're wrong." is ad hominem. "You wrong, and you're an idiot." is not. Learn the difference.
>they don't really clash too badly with the reasons why I enjoy the show. Because you have shit taste and like cheap melodrama.
>The fact that Guts meets his brother soon after mentioning him isn't going to impact the fact that I like Guts and his feelings about said brother. Because you like cheap melodarama and have no standards for story telling.
>You've made a good case and I'm happy to admit that, anon. That's just the tip of the iceberg. There's plenty more wrong with this mess of a show.
>>13804172 >The fact that Guts meets his brother soon after mentioning him isn't going to impact the fact that I like Guts > it really doesn't bother me That isn't addressing the point or issues. "I like it anyway" doesn't add anything
> The kids didn't check the cargo because they got it from their employers, and Orga swore a bond of trust with the Turbines That doesn't mean he should just be an idiot. Even if they trust them they should check cargo to make sure it is in good condition
>an extention of the fact nobody gives a fuck about colonials, But they very much do give a fuck about Kudelia and image sources are there as one guy could recognise her from being on tv. No reason everyone else couldn't get that
>explicitly state that they'd be caught by the Gjallarhorn sweep They literally had her in their sites and needed to pull the trigger. If that would take to long they they had no chance of getting out anyway
>gives me more time to enjoy the cast talking to each other, You just liking people talking even if it is about something so basic again says more about you than quality.
I dunno man, I guess it's because it has Gundam's name on it and most gundam fans have to suffer through anything with the name attached to it, like Seed Destiny, AGE, while I don't think IBO is as shit as those two. I just have no interest my interest in the show is dead, literally, Fumitan and Barbatos' design where the only reason I was interested, now I know Fumitan dies and I don't care much for that sort of stuff so I'm gonna drop it. I was planning on marathoning the whole season when It finished but now, I'm just not feeling it anymore.
>>13804189 >That isn't addressing the point or issues. "I like it anyway" doesn't add anything
I think it does, because the show appeals to me because of that aspect, which is why I consider it "good". You don't really have a counter to that unless you want to explain to me why my interpretation of character is "not good".
>That doesn't mean he should just be an idiot.
But he's been established to be a dumb dork, that's who Orga is. He's way too earnest especially around women and his bro.
>But they very much do give a fuck about Kudelia and image sources are there as one guy could recognise her from being on tv.
The ones who mistook Kudelia were a few overworked salarymen and some beat cops, not the specifically-trained assassins and Gjallarhorn officers.
>They literally had her in their sites and needed to pull the trigger. If that would take to long they they had no chance of getting out anyway
It's more that the smoke was clearing and there was both military and media attention on the field. The rifle bullet would have been more noticable.
>You just liking people talking even if it is about something so basic again says more about you than quality.
It says I'm more interested in an enjoyable cast that interact well than I am with nitpicking about cargo deliveries and office workers?
Something I'll never understand about this board is the incessant need to make disagrerements personal. Calling people retards, berating people for having shit taste, it's all just pretentious bullshit.
It's a fucking tv show.
These threads inevitably dissolve into useless pissing matches between people who in most cirucmstances ought to get along. We all like giant fighting robots! For a lot of people, this board and others like it are about the only places where they can find people who share their interests. Is it really worth it to berate someone over a disagreement in taste? What purpose does that serve? To prove one side is better or that something is Objectively Good/Bad?
Let's just be bros. He likes the show? Great! Good for him. Hopefully the remaining episodes bear out and he can walk away with a feeling of satisfaction. You don't like the show? That's ok too! Sorry this season doesn't appeal to you. Maybe the next one will be better.
There's no reason for anyone to get militant over shit like this. It might be trite, but what this board seriously needs is a fucking huge dose of UNDERSTANDING.
>>13804204 >I think it does not when the whole point was > gimme your literary analysis framework Saying yeah but I like it is not a worthwhile response to that
>dumb dork You mean the guy who's plans up till then have always worked incredibly well even when ballsy? No he is not dumb and had done very well till the show just made him have a lapse in logic there like it has done to many other characters
>not the specifically-trained assassins and Gjallarhorn officers. You mean the ones who mistook atra for her? Cause that is even stupider, She is their maiden of the revolution yet only one guy had apparently seen what she looks like. Not only does that not make sense but brings up how exactly did she get so popular? What were they exposed to and why were many never given a picture?
>there was both military and media attention on the field. Mika was able to walk up, have a conversation and drag her away with no interruption. They had already taken one shot in that situation so two would not make it any worse and they'd actually complete there mission
> enjoyable cast that interact well What is well written about them repeating and over explaining?
>nitpicking And you wonder why people just insult you? These are just some examples of why important story beats don't work logically
>>13804235 >Saying yeah but I like it is not a worthwhile response to that
You reckon? I think it's a subjective aspect specifically for this discussion. You say that X is bad, but I say Y negates X's impact so for me X doesn't seem as bad. I'm not really challenging you on X's issues, just that my response to them (which is subjective) is lessened because I get Y.
>You mean the guy who's plans up till then have always worked incredibly well even when ballsy?
But that's not inconsistent. Orga is great in battle but flubs it in moments of peace. It's easy to understand and fits with his situation of being a child soldier with little experience in the world outside of conflicts.
>Not only does that not make sense but brings up how exactly did she get so popular? What were they exposed to and why were many never given a picture?
She was popular on Mars which is why the Martian garrison took an interest, the only people who knew about her were the Dort colony workers who believed that she was their military supplier, so it's entirely feasible for her not to be recognized by laymen.
>Mika was able to walk up, have a conversation and drag her away with no interruption. They had already taken one shot in that situation so two would not make it any worse and they'd actually complete there mission
Mika wasn't someone whose existence was supposed to be secret, though. Gjallarhorn already knew Tekkadan was there, not that there was a secret team of snipers from an unknown faction in a building nearby.
>What is well written about them repeating and over explaining?
I'm not really talking about the expository dialogue but the playful, down-to-earth stuff, like Ride and the kids, Mika setting off Kudelia's dere alarm, Atra trying to wrap her head around polygamy, Orga being teased by Merribit, gayboy being jealous, bridge bunny squabbles, etc
I was being snarky, bro, but thanks for helping me make my point.
OP's post was obvious flame-bait, and I get that some people like doing shit like this for attention or just to stir up controversy, but threads like this just tend to bring out the worst in people. The sad thing is some people can't stand the thought of others having fun without them, and don't think twice about coming in to shit all over the party.
I'm probably just naive, but I know this board is capable of much more than that.
>>13804269 >You say that X is bad, but I say Y negates X's impact so for me X doesn't seem as bad Again, that is not a good response as it is not responding to the point. It adds nothing to teh discussion as you are not discussing the point.
> but flubs it in moments of peace When has that happened before? He's done very well in moments of peace up till then including taking over CGS, rewarding the boys with food/drinks, negotiations with the mafia, negotiations with prisoners and planning for moves.
> the only people who knew about her were the Dort colony workers who believed that she was their military supplier, so it's entirely feasible for her not to be recognized by laymen. See the problem is you just don't think very logically. How did she get popular, what was the actual process. She has apparently been on TV so that could be it, yet only one guy had seen her and not even teh military pulled the image despite her being a high profile target.
>Mika wasn't someone whose existence was supposed to be secret That doesn't mater cause if >there was both military and media attention on the field. a boy now walking in the middle of the field and drawing attention to himself and someone just featured prominently on tv identifying herself as Kudelia with the speech she was forced to do would draw attention > Gjallarhorn already knew Tekkadan was there Then that would be even more reason to rush to arrest a boy in their uniform
You still have also not addressed the majority of points I bring up with these instead trying to direct it towards something else.
>own-to-earth stuff, like Ride and the kids, Mika setting off Kudelia's dere alarm, Atra trying to wrap her head around polygamy, Orga being teased by Merribit, gayboy being jealous, bridge bunny squabbles But that is a huge minority of the dialogue meaning you have to shift through everything else for it. That is also not particularly special and you'd get more of in generic SoL shows.
>>13804312 >Again, that is not a good response as it is not responding to the point. It adds nothing to teh discussion as you are not discussing the point.
What's there to discuss? You said X, I agreed.
>When has that happened before?
>How did she get popular, what was the actual process.
She made some political speeches on Mars. Why would that matter on Dort?
>a boy now walking in the middle of the field and drawing attention to himself and someone just featured prominently on tv identifying herself as Kudelia with the speech she was forced to do would draw attention
But the attention is supposed to be on Kudelia and Tekkadan in order to make them martyrs and ferment a rebellion. If Gjallarhorn discovered a sniper team and that news reached the media it'd ruin the narrative of Kudelia tragically dying in a protestt that lardo wants.
>But that is a huge minority of the dialogue meaning you have to shift through everything else for it. That is also not particularly special and you'd get more of in generic SoL shows.
I don't think it's as big a minority as you think. I'm not really up for sifting through and counting minutes at 1:15AM so I'll concede the argument if you want.
>>13804328 >Teiwaz onwards. negotiations with prisoners, planning what to do with new brewer cargo including MS planning and for moves. The worst that happen was he had a moment of not being sure about funerals but very easily agreed it was best for his men.
>Why would that matter on Dort? She is there maiden of the revolution. That has been a huge plot point over the last few episodes as is her being a target by two other groups.
>But the attention is supposed to be on Kudelia and Tekkadan Yet Mika and Kudelia can easily have a conversation there with no disturbances despite you and me both pointing out they were looking for her. If they would react to another shot they would react to the girl they want and a enemy soldier >If Gjallarhorn discovered a sniper team I have already explained that >They had already taken one shot in that situation so two would not make it any worse and they'd actually complete there mission They took the first shot in the same situation, it would be loud enough to draw the exact situation you claim, another one would not make a difference, they would complete the mission and as she was in their sites would not take any time
>>13804186 >Well now we're back to insults, so there isn't anything to actually discuss. I've called you stupid from the start, you're just now realizing that you were wrong in your usage of the term ad hominem (misusing a term to try to discredit me without knowing the term is what makes you stupid). There's nothing to discuss because you admitted to have no standards.
>So what's a show that does pacing and visual metaphor well? Give Concrete Revolutio a shot and see if you can follow it. It's basically the opposite of IBO.
>>13804204 >unless you want to explain to me why my interpretation of character is "not good". The characters are one dimensional, haven't grown at all, and their interactions are shallow and repetitive.
>But he's been established to be a dumb dork Incorrect. Did you forget how he outwitted Teiwaz to prove to them that kids shouldn't be looked down on?
>The ones who mistook Kudelia were a few overworked salarymen and some beat cops, not the specifically-trained assassins and Gjallarhorn officers. That doesn't excuse them not knowing their target at all, nor does it excuse non of the workers on the colony save 1 recognizing her when she's supposed to be the revolutions maiden.
>It's more that the smoke was clearing There was no smoke in their sight, nor was anyone around as evidence by Fumitan and Mika both casually strolling up to her with no interference.
>It says I'm more interested in ignoring bad writing because I think Mika of super cool! Like I said, it's written for dumb teens, like all Okada shows.
>>13804208 >I don't understand the very fucking essence of 4chan If someone is an idiot, they get called an idiot. If you don't like that then fuck off to some other site. Ideas are judged on their merit alone her because of anonymity, this isn't a hugbox where your ideas have inherent worth and people need to be nice to you if you're being stupid.
>>13804398 You know what really annoys me about the character interaction? Mika and Orga have only had about 3 scenes of just them together, talking about each other and they were all in the first 6 episodes, 2 of which were just hey mika do the thing. They are meant to be super close, more than with teh other kids but both have spent more time around other characters at this point. There doesn't feel anything more special about them other than we are told they are super best bros.
This is actually one of the few Gundams I haven't felt embarrassed watching. I like the Barbatos, the more grounded world, and the lack of beamspam, as well as the MC who isn't a whiny beta bitch.
I gotta be level with you, though: All the 'Maiden of Revolution' shit is stupid as hell, but I guess it's a Gundam staple. I mean, has a modern revoution EVER worked out well for anyone? Just look at the Arab Spring.
It all means nothing when people are going to fire on you. And a gorgeous blonde figurehead is simply going to be raped to death, quite possibly by the urban poor who hate everyone above them like hell.
I kind of wish it was just child soldiers wading from one hopeless conflict to the next on Mars, however.
It's not the typical sci-fi fare part, it's the unique Japanese peacenik wank and the...Well, the Gundam-isms that are the embarrassing part. You know, the usual complaints about why the protagonist has to fight and so on.
I mean, I'm watching this show because I want to see robots smash together. A protagonist who doesn't want to fight and kill is like Thomas Fucking Covenant: Someone who cannot get with the god damn program.
>>13804426 >This is actually one of the few Gundams I haven't felt embarrassed watching. I like the Barbatos, the more grounded world, and the lack of beamspam, as well as the MC who isn't a whiny bet If I hadn't read any further I would have just assumed this was shitposting pasta
I have this theory about why IBO's ratings are so damn low, Build Fighters. Think about it, AGE was so long ago and G-Reco aired as a late night anime. The Build Fighters shows are going to be the biggest point of reference for the children in the audience about what Gundam is. Kinda like how SEED painted people's opinions a decade ago.
They go from this bright, happy show about friendship and toys to IBO. Shows were things are always moving forward with fights all the time to one where people keep repeating themselves and there's like one fight every three episodes. Not to mention, Build Fighters had far better fights.
Oh, come on. Remember Gundam 00? EVERY ATTACK WAS A BEAM in the second season. Even the Raiser Sword was a giant beam. There were beams that combined to become larger beams. Shit was atrocious, and the movie was just stupid.
AGE was a hilarious clusterfuck. After G-Reco, which I didn't watch because I couldn't understand the show at all, I was about to give up on the franchise until Thunderbolt.
Serious question: What's wrong with IBO? I don't understand why the show seems to be attracting so much shitposting, while people will defend G-Reco to the death. I must be really dumb, because nothing about G-Reco made sense to me.
But to sum up. Lack of development, lack of story progress, questionable to illogical points (story and characters), multiple big convinces which are sometimes repeated, Kudelia, lack of fights yet obviously not much content to fill show, exposition which is often repeated, failure to explore the base concepts that initially interested many and horrendous animation
>>13804466 Try has the worst tv ratings. The ones who are watching any gundam are clearly streaming using bandai channel and sunrise's proprietary services. The amount of attention and popularity doesnt match the number of people watching on tv
>>13804760 /m/ is literally one of the most divided places on the internet, nobody can agree on anything here whatsoever. We're too small to make a different but too big to come together. We're like Chaos in Warhammer.
>hacking For the love of fuck /m/, just get Web of Trust accounts, give these sites red ratings, and state that they can't handle different opinions under unethical practices. These places are forums, you can likely pull the cyber bullying card on them, it ain't hard.
>>13804855 Every forum with a few years under its belt has dirty secrets admins like to keep under wraps. All you need to do is do some digging, be it screen shots or testimony, and that's all that is needed. Casuals hates cyber bullies and will likely stay away, slowly degenerating the board.
>>13804873 Better: Catch staff breaking their own rules, record that shit, and then spread it around. Guanche did it on his own board, the place has lost members since. Leadership instability is also a massive turn off for casuals.
>>13804484 IBO is basic and straightforward. Since it's intended for kids, there are some contrivances and coincidences that you're not supposed to think about too much. The same vanguard that revelled in calling everyone who mentioned G-Reco being vague are now deriding IBO for being straightforward. Sure, there were massive logical fallacies in Reco also, and in fact in every other Gundam to be perfectly honest. The coincidences of Akihiro's brother and Biscuit's brother being mentioned for the first time immediately before they become momentarily central to the plot is really no worse than Reco expecting us to believe that a highly advanced society which relatively recently built an orbital elevator would actually believe that supernatural curses would befall you for breaking the rules of the church that inexplicably revolves around an elevator. For all of the intellectual posturing of the Reco fanbase, the very existence of SuCord is weapons-grade stupidity with no rational explanation for why it's seen as a religion and not a bureaucracy. Then there's Kamille's highly implausible tolerance of Rosamia's behavior, everyone in Wing failing to notice that Dorothy is a gibbering psychopath, a random southern belle not only looking but sounding exactly like the queen of the fucking moon (lol what are accents?), Celestial Being pulling in a total outsider instead of promoting a sniper/pilot from within their organization JUST because he looks exactly like the sniper who died, every instance ever of the military not seizing the giant robot from the eccentric billionaire's father, giant robots having elbows and hands instead of turrets, etc, etc, etc.
But back to topic, the animation in Reco does seem to be cutting a LOT of corners. I don't mind the long-distance-QUALITY shots, but the rotating and panning still frames is a little excessive. Especially when a heavily shaded mobile suit does an axial roll and the shadows don't move at all.
>>13805028 >the very existence of SuCord is weapons-grade stupidity with no rational explanation for why it's seen as a religion and not a bureaucracy What? The whole point of SuCordism was to keep people from advancing too much and supplying them with the necessary energy. Religion works pretty well at spooking people; seems like a logical choice.
>>13805099 >missing the point this hard Choosing religion as a means for control makes sense. People falling for it does not. When you have an ignorant populous and an ancient structure you can pull that off. When you have a modern technological society that has records of when and how the tower was built, it makes absolutely no sense for anyone to see it as a church.
To put it another way: The whole point of speed limits is to keep people from accelerating too much and provide them with reasonable safety. Would you EVER believe that driving onto certain DOT facilities in your car would get you cursed? You could argue that the belief in curses could be more effective than the threat of tickets and fines when it comes to getting people to obey the rules, but first you have to convince them that curses are a real thing.
Anyone over the age of five believing that an elevator can curse you for going into a dock is completely absurd.
>>13805125 Go make a thread saying SEED destiny and IBO are better than 0079 and Turn A, TTGL is better than Getter Robo, CG is better than Sakuga, EVA is the best and most influential mech series ever, Mazinger is obscure and irrelevant, and A/Z was the best /m/ show in recent memory and let me know how it goes.
>>13805163 Watch the first episode, these are questions given to a high school student. The fact that the Undernut was there to clear debris before the tower's construction, when the tower was constructed, and how it works are not even controlled information. To make matters worse, the people who seem to stick to these silly superstitions the strongest are the ones who work there and would therefore have more knowledge of the tower than the average person. It simply makes no sense.
>>13802491 He has slowly realized how emotional surpress he has become. What I feel the show is building towards is an episode dedicated to how Mika and Orga met. And Mika was a crybaby before Orga started ordering him around
>>13805212 >and nobody in it seems to believe strongly in SuCordism The grade-skipping whiz-kid main character who CONSTANTLY comments on everything being taboo believes in it. His mother also yells "OH MY SU-CORD!", makes references to the Capital Guard being "The Su-Cord faithful", etc, etc. You obviously didn't PAY ATTENTION.
>>13804139 You are an Idiot That writing fashion is not exclusively to anime. Look at Lost or Bojack Horsemen Two shows that became utter garbage or Gold by the end of the show. All TV shows are is a build up to a final act with sidestories exclusively told in each episode.
>>13805186 These superstitions could have very well started out as simple guidelines and rules meant to keep humanity from destroying itself. It's all basic, common sense stuff when you look at it. But give it enough time and show it to be effective, it can take on whole new meanings for the people. It keeps them safe, it keeps them alive.
And you know we live in a world where Scientology is a thing, right?
>>13805230 I would've pointed to X-Files. Too big to land a satisfying conclusion, too long running to afford putting it off any longer.
Admittedly the miniseries picked a great time to come around what with Mulder being pretty much right about everything in a post-Snowden world, but Chris Carter shows never seem to stick the landing at the end.
>>13805240 >Scientology is a thing, right? Yeah, we call that "thing" a tax shelter. Also scientology is a hodge-podge of ancient superstitions filtered through 70's new-age thought. It doesn't revolve around a recently constructed freight elevator being sacred ground or conveniently unnamed forces cursing you for riding in it without church authorization.
>>13805262 >Also scientology is a hodge-podge of ancient superstitions filtered through 70's new-age thought. It doesn't revolve around a recently constructed freight elevator being sacred ground or conveniently unnamed forces cursing you for riding in it without church authorization.
Except you keep forgetting that the orbital elevator isn't new. It's over a millennium old. That's plenty of time for guidelines to change into an actual religion.
>>13805136 There is also someone who brings up Zeta, Wing, and Build Fighter. It is almost they are comparing gundam to gundams >>13805253 No they didnt. Biscuits brother just told him they need her to stop the rebellion but it was nit mentioned he was the union to richest the union leader was talking about
>>13805279 >over a millenium old >only 500 years after Turn A >in the same place the Tree of Ades was I don't think so, Tim. >>13805276 >Nobody in the show is shown to believe in SuCordism I'd love to post screenshots of people talking about not wanting to be cursed, but I deleted that horrible mess to make room for more porn. I can name a few, like people commenting "You'll be cursed!" when they were fighting too close to Sankt Porto, or Belliri insisting that they try taking the elevator because it's taboo for ships to use the port at the top, or commenting about astronomical observation being forbidden, or whatever. But you're going to keep believing what you want regardless of the evidence against you and I have other shit to do today. If you're even going "NUH-UH!" to people in Reco believing in Su-Cordism (when that was the fucking PREMISE of the show) then nothing I could say could make a dent in your faith.
>>13805307 >people commenting "You'll be cursed!" when they were fighting too close to Sankt Porto And they fought near Sankt Porto anyway. Fighting near civilians in space is bad for obvious reasons.
>Belliri insisting that they try taking the elevator because it's taboo for ships to use the port at the top He just meant that they wouldn't be granted clearance to get the port at the top.
>commenting about astronomical observation being forbidden And this one is obviously broken too.
>people in Reco believing in Su-Cordism (when that was the fucking PREMISE of the show) G-Reco takes place in a time where Su-Cordism is increasingly irrelevant and on a decline. Ameria has been at war for like 2 decades beforehand, the Pope is blatantly a figurehead, and people are actively reverse engineering blueprints that break the Taboo.
Sounds like you're making a huge assload of asssumptions about a few off-hand comments from the characters and making it out to be more than it really is. There are a ton of people today that casually believe in God and follow some religion. There's no reason to believe most of the characters in G-Reco are any more than that.
>>13805293 There's a Zeta shitposter, a couple guys arguing about funniest autistic MC, AND and fucking no one talks about GBF. When talking about IBO, the only one people bring up I'd G-Reco to try to defend the shit story telling in IBO.
>>13804445 It's amazing how you aren't embarrassed to watch the one Gundam show where all the characters act like stereotypical battle shounen characters stuck in a filler arc. The speech, mannerisms and expressions are all very generic and typical of anime. It's not totally elusive to other Gundam shows but this one has the most of it of any released the past 20 years.
>>13804743 You get rid of those shit sites and they start coming here en masse because they have no place left to go. I don't want Youtube comment tier posts on top of the retarded shit we already gotta deal with here on a regular basis.
>>13807772 Episodes 1-3 - Mech Fighting Episode 4 - Nothing Episode 5 - Space Mech Fighting Episode 6 - Nothing Episode 7 - Space Mech Fighting Episode 8-9 - Nothing Episodes 10-13 - Space Mech Fighting (Not much in 10 or 13 though) Episodes 14-16 - Nothing. That's the actual breakdown of things. Looks like there will be a fight in episode 17, so, there is that.
>>13807850 It's not like I'm trying to watch anime or anything, but I'm always up for shitting on Okada. (note: this list is also for Hiroyuki Yoshino). It's a list of shit to be ready for with their shows.
1. The world and premise don't make sense. 2. Mysteries and foreshadowing are just for show. Don't worry about them. 3. Okada has her raging fujo homo delusions running wild, and Yoshino loves his old homos. 4. Outside of shitty romance, conversations and characters don't happen. 5. Have no expectations regarding premise building or foreshadowing. 6. And yet, expect lots of sly ero stuff and net flattery (don't really know what that net part means) 7. Have no expectation that's they'll actually tie scenes together properly. 8. Forget about understanding or having sympathy towards characters actions, emotions, or lines. 9. (this one also uses more Engrish words I'm not sure about. Something about giving up on the original anime work) 10. Be prepared to waste your time.
Overheard on 2chan "The plastic model kit sales are falling really fast." "The use of terrible real-world events mentioned in the episode feel opportunistic." "If Barbatos has so many spare parts, why not give them to the other suits?" "I wonder if they'll uncensor the massacre on BD... feels wrong somehow."
It's only talked about because it's airing. Even people who like it admit it's bad (like me). I don't think it's going to become troll bait or talked about on /m/ really, everyone will just agree it's meh.
>>13805307 You seem to have got way off the original point looking for anything to shit on still
It has been explained that religion is a good way of controlling people and that given the right circumstances people believe lots of things. If you want to say that makes no sense go look at all the crazy religions that do exist, and they don't have a monolith that provides for them. But people do still worship old shit that does fuck all for them, some idiots even believe stone henge has religious significances and we aren't even sure what the fuck it was for. You also forget how much it's power has waned. The only characters we see super into it still are Bellri, his mom and the pope, everyone else disregards it 90% of the time to build advanced tech and tread on holy ground only observing if for the seriously terrible stuff like shooting at the tower. This is like how many popular religions are today, total belief isn't common
>>13805336 > For example, some scholars, such as Kaplan and Lindstrom, focus on Europeans' characterization of these movements as a fascination with manufactured goods >Since the modern manufacturing process is unknown to them, members, leaders, and prophets of the cults maintain that the manufactured goods of the non-native culture have been created by spiritual means This actually lines up pretty well
Even >. Notable examples of cargo cult activity include the setting up of mock airstrips, airports, offices, and dining rooms, as well as the fetishization and attempted construction of Western goods Happens as they have those stone versions of old MS
>>13808661 >>13808733 >>13808789 Atra is the only character I like in this show and is some what well written. Even the whole pretending to be kudelia moment makes sense for her to try and is a good moment for her, just not for everyone to believe
>>13808893 The Burakamin always sticks out to me when people start complaining kuntalas make no sense. Especially when people try "but they look the same as everyone else so how do they know to be racist?" I mean what is this low tier racism these people know where they can only judge it by skin colour?
>>13808942 That wouldn't be an excuse even if it was
>>13808946 No it is just written with a trope people like to see go that way and probably will to pander, there relationship amounts to fuck all so far but another person to tell Orga he is doing a bad job, I guess Eugene, biscuit and Naze want to fuck him as well cause they said he was being stupid.
Well fasto is not bad, but he is fat, and Chocolate Char is slowly starting to get better, but i guess you are right Atra is the only likeable character in this show, if they make her become a plot device i'm definitely gonna drop it.
I'm not sure it goes both ways, writer has made a great effort to fujo bait and in the end all i can think about is "Yes we fuck the girls, we are manly boys, but deep iniside we love each other more than anything"
>>13808971 I liked Guts and Biscuit but both there dumb brother stuff. Both those arcs have just been the worst
Char is okay I guess but we are like 16 episodes in and he is yet to do anything meaningful for the plot, just exposition and saying we are gonna do stuff. Also him planning to take Kudelia but then letting her run off and nearly get shot was kinda dumb, maybe he has another plan and was lying before?
Yeah, Guts was fine too, but i guess bother arcs are the retarded way Okada has to show who their real family is or something like that. The sad part is that it got old the moment we knew Kudelia father wanted to kill her.
>>13809358 IBO is in a weird place where it would be way more interesting if it was a lot worse and stupider
Get everyone stupidly over emotional and constantly endangering themselves, the more petty the reason and dumber reason that MS are used for the better. Have Mika punch bad guys on the ground with Barbatos shouting some nonsense while Kudelia is the one to shoot Fumi. At least that would be entertaining.
You are either short like Mika and you hate the fact that she gets all those cute girls while you get only laughs or even worse you are tall and you hate the fact that a manlet get girls while you get your hand...
>>13809991 Heero and wing in general had too many problems but it at least had extended moments of funny wtf. What does ibo have? A harem, that's about as crazy as it gets. Something about sex really gets weebs cooing
>>13810016 But she is also somewhat educated, had interestsince youth and organised a huge event. Even with a leg up she should be more knowledgeable, competent and confident
>>13810016 >I accept my revolution will bring death to a lot of people >I will still keep going She knows full well what she got into since those teiwaz episodes.
She has the evil empire following her ass since before they left mars, they're pretty much killing orphans every battle in order to get her, instead of staying safe on the ship until they reach earth she decides to go shopping, because she clearly needs some clothes for... something.
>>13811060 I'm expecting it if the show doesn't get a second season. Even now, there's rumblings over the lack of action, poor animation, how it's slow pacing is made worse by them repeating the same things over and over, and how it can't wrap up it's story in 10 episodes. If the ending is rushed or underwhelming, expect massive butthurt.
I'm trying to start an IBO drinking game.
> Take a shot whenever Kudelia feels useless. > Take a shot after every mention of Tekkadan being a family. (not recommended when watching multiple episodes in one sitting). > Take a shot whenever Mika eats something. > Finish your drink whenever an episode ends without a mecha fight. > Take a shot for every mention of "these poor orphans." > Take a shot for every mention of boobs.
>>13811467 >Down drink when someone mentions a new relative >take a shot for an overly anime reaction >take a shot when Orga is told he is a bad boss >waterfall for exposition >take a shot for obvious doujin pandering
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