/krg/ Kamen Rider General #1130 - Facial Scarring Edition

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So who you gonna main?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7-oKI7X1RQ

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>>13781269
I was going to make a ghostbusters reference, but I didn't have any pictures of Necrom

>>13781269
G3-X

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>Reposting for further discussion.

I don't know if anyone has talked about this yet, but there are kind of heady implications behind Shinnosuke publicly being Drive.

In the world of Kamen Rider, the Kamen Riders themselves are thought of as myths or legends by most people. They're a secretive thing that only select people know of anymore. In Fourze, Tomoko makes it clear that most people think Kamen Riders are urban legends. But in Drive we not only have a person publicly come forward as the current Kamen Rider, but a genuine badge carrying officer of the police force.

Now, I know they can't really get too far into heavy things like this in a kids show, but can you imagine what kind of impact that would have on people? That's like if you woke up one morning to the news that Batman is real and was discovered while saving a puppy.

This same issue was also present in Fourze though to a lesser degree. While it wasn't exactly publicized, nearly everyone in school knew that Gentarou was Fourze, it wasn't a secret. He basically said to everyone "Yes, superheroes are not only real, but will protect you from bullies and drugs and attend your birthday party". This isn't like the Shonen Kamen Rider club from the 70's, where people could just brush it off as kids being kids, this is verifiable proof of the existence of superheroes.

If you think about it, this kind of lines up with the established timeline. In the Fourze/Wizard movie, we learn that five years later Gentarou is not only still Fourze, but that all of his students and coworkers know it. A little less than five actual years later, Shinnosuke publicly reveals the existence of Kamen Riders, solidifying people's faith in Riders as warriors of justice. Meaning that Gentarou publicly being Fourze was partially made acceptable by Shinnosuke publicly being Drive.

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>>13781269
This motherfucker right here.

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>>13781282
>In the world of Kamen Rider, the Kamen Riders themselves are thought of as myths or legends by most people.

Only that's fucking stupid because Riders were public figures as far back as the original series (where literal stage shows exist) and as recent as Double where the Riders were cheered by the people of Futo. Fourze introduced this idea and then dropped it anyway right afterwards.

>>13781285
I think Kuuga even had kindergartners talk about "number four".

>>13781298
Kuuga was very public, they had radio broadcasts like weather bulletins telling people where to avoid. Even if you didn't see Kuuga he was in the newspapers.

>>13781282
Tomari drives around the most suspicious car, people are bound to find out.

>>13781255
Heroes Tears

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>>13781282
I hope you realize the rest of this thread will be everyone pointing out every instance where Riders were recognized by the general public.

>>13781285
It's one of those things where yeah some people are aware they exist, others think it's BS, and others are completely oblivious to it.
It's like if you hear stories of a guy fighting monsters in Nowhere, Kansas you're going to be one of the three even with the internet.

>>13781322
Right. Because most Heisei riders stick to one city. Even in the shared continuity the possibility that there are people who still don't know or believe is possible.

>>13781307
>You know...Tomari, the car you drive looks a lot like the one Kamen Rider drives.
>WHAT NO IT DOESN'T NO ONE SAID ANYTHING ABOUT KAMEN RIDER DRIVE
>Tomari chill, I just think it's weird

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>>13781322
Kamen Riders don't fight in Nowhere, Kansas though

They fight in broad daylight in the middle of Tokyo or some other metropolitan area where hundreds of people could very easily see them blowing shit up, fighting inhuman beasts and sacrificing countless innocent plastic furniture sets

>>13781298
Pretty much the entire local police force knew that Godai was Kuuga by the end of the series. I think they also released a statement to the public about Number 4 being on their side.

>>13781282
That honestly doesn't seem to be the case in most of the series. Off the top of my head:

- Kuuga's existence was widely known (though as mentioned above, the general public didn't know it was Godai)
- Ryuki's riders weren't known to those outside the rider battle. Actually, I don't think the people in Ryuki even knew about Kamen Riders at all.
- Blade was part of an organization and "Kamen Rider" was an actual paying job. Similarly to Ryuki, I don't think most people were aware of Kamen Riders at all, either.
- Hibiki was also part of an organization and his identity as an oni is technically supposed to be secret. I don't think the term "Kamen Rider" is ever mentioned in-series, though.
- Den-O's public doesn't seem to have any knowledge of Kamen Riders.
- W was given the name "Kamen Rider" by the people of Fuuto, and was considered something of an urban legend.
- OOO's public in general didn't seem to know about Kamen Riders. The only ones who did were probably the members of the Kougami Foundation, the Greeed, and people like Hina who were directly involved with OOO.

And of course, in crossovers, everyone's heard of Kamen Riders.

What series were you most disappointed in? Not necessarily most hated, but it just didn't live up to hype

>>13781344
>OOO's public in general didn't seem to know about Kamen Riders. The only ones who did were probably the members of the Kougami Foundation, the Greeed, and people like Hina who were directly involved with OOO.
I remember during the first half of OOO somebody discussed rumors about the Greed, and near the end people were absolutely baffled at the Yummy telling them to call for OOO.

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>>13781285
>Only that's fucking stupid because Riders were public figures
I wouldn't say "public figures" because that makes it sound like they were politicians or something. For the most part Showa Kamen Riders all start out as secret solders fighting their respective evil organizations. As the show goes on and said evil organizations up their schemes and attacks the Riders become more prominent in the public eye but still hidden. After their fighting is done they go back to being secret warriors because the Japan in show seems to forget all the monsters and alien attacks then go back to their normal lives.

>>13781338
When he becomes drive, the little panel on the hood that has the SCU logo on it flips over, hiding the logo. That makes it completely unrecognizable.

>>13781349

Wizard, by far.

Excluding that, probably Den-O. The character dynamics were fucking great, but it really forgot about its plot for long stretches of time and it got frustrating towards the end.

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>>13781255

>>13781349
Kamen RIder Hibiki as the show was pretty boring and about some shitty kid.

>>13781349
Agito. It's good, don't get me wrong. But before I watched it was told the show was some kind of mind blowing masterpiece of drama; that I shouldn't dare watch it first because it'd ruin all other series for me. What a bunch of bullshit. I enjoyed it for the most part, but it's so far from the perfection some asshole told me it was.

>>13781343
>They fight in broad daylight in the middle of Tokyo
How many times have you seen Showa riders fight with a crowd? Very rarely. I think Rider 1 did fight in front of a camera at a wrestling show but that could easily be waved off as a stunt.
They don't always fight in big cities either. Anyway, the point I was making was if you had a super hero fighting somewhere else in the country it would be difficult for most people to swallow even with physical evidence. Nowhere, Kansas could a metropolitan area and even with a bunch of destructive fights it would be hard (at least in the Showa era) for people to believe.
Also whose to say there weren't cover ups.

>>13781349
So far, Ghost. The suit design is just so damn nice and the premise seemed promising, but they just missed it so hard.

>>13781397
>they just missed it so hard.
Still too early to say they "missed" anything

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>>13781406
You must be gay then because Hibiki is pretty crappy until Inoue takes it over.

>>13781343
>They fight in broad daylight in the middle of Tokyo or some other metropolitan area
I'm glad you said "or some other metropolitan area" because I don't think the show tapes in Tokyo much. Too expensive.

>>13781398
On top of that, there's already so much set up that can potentially develop into something REALLY great. I can't understand how people have kept saying "nothing has happened in Ghost; every episode is nothing but to toy commercial" when like five plot threads have already been sewn and continue to develop.

That's better than Drive could boast. At this point we were just like "What the fuck is the Roidmude motivation, even? Why is Krim keeping pointless fucking secrets that won't lead anywhere? And why the fuck are they pretending we don't know Chase is Proto Drive?"

>>13781396
>>How many times have you seen Showa riders fight with a crowd?

the whole seven riders fought in the middle of a fucking park when a stage show weight wrong

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>>13781430
I mean in their respective shows.
The legendary seven were pretty much crossover dream match tier stuff at that point.

>>13781434
They mostly fought in quarries, and old dams, and shit.
But there are moment where they fight with people around.

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>>13781434
there's plenty of instances of the monsters terrorizing crowds of civilians before the Riders show up
I'll go as far to say that most if not every Rider series ever made for the past 45 years has had at least one instance where the Rider is spotted by sizable number of adults, enough to be more than a dumbass rumor

Riders, myths? More like legends. What's that quote with God and Buddha again?

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Lookie at what I found...
I've also found Yoko and Terui's actor, with promises of Ichimichi Mao and nao nagasawa, according to IMBD

>>13781513
What show?

>>13781564
Durr, nevermind, the title's in the pic.

>>13781285
>Fourze introduced this idea

Well, technically V3 introduced this idea. Heck, in Stronger even the VILLAINS initially think that Rider 1 and 2 were just a legend and not real.

I kinda feel bad for Crisis. They just want to keep living. Kotaro goes to their damn planet and sees it has good people on it. By just killing every Crisis thing he finds he's condemning billions of people to die! That's not how justice works! Eiji would not be pleased.

>>13781349
Besides ghost, which I was super excited for, I'd have to say Wizard. I was hoping for more, but more than anything the series was just boring as hell. It sucks, because I really wanted to like it.

Holy shit these prom episodes of Fourze suck dog dick

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>>13781255
>tfw kirihiko and shotaro will never become the new double as kamen rider futo

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It's a shame they made Rising the retail. Looks good though.

>>13781673
So does Ultimate but that collectors shop logo hurts. It hurts bad.

>>13781282
I think you're overthinking it a bit. It's kind of like if you saw some report on the news about a komodo dragon in the area eating small animals, and they dubbed it the [area] Chupacabra. It's not really a Chupacabra, but they call it that because it fits the M.O. of one, and it's a novel nickname.

Of course, I realize the analogy kind of falls apart in this example because Drive really IS a Kamen Rider, but I hope you get the idea.

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>>13781677
Obviously forgot the picture.

>>13781269
>the V3 bit
IS DAT SUM 26 SECRETS!?

>>13781649
I think what's worse is how Daimonji never really does much with the Dizer afterwards even though he specifically stayed because he thought they'd need him for that.

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>>13781682
It's beautiful...

Why does Bandai hate us so?

>>13781269
i love how they have the Showa riders using their techniques during combos
its awesome fan service and a cool way to diversify their movesets

https://youtu.be/KAxdSgrjkwU?list=PLWhiG-r1OmnvRFI9APoHmncp5KNMaYRpX

Help I can't stop watching Chinese knockoff Rider

>>13781718
Everything feels so off, It gives me this weird unsettling feeling.

What are the non-japanese tokus that are getting subbed?

>>13781716
The orange doesn't look juicy enough.

>>13781685
Yeah, they said a bunch of never before seen ones are going to be usable. I think they're going to have all 26 probably.

>>13781718

That Melon Energy

>>13781739
The designs are actually good though. I want Toei to learn from China about designing suits and monsters.

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really............

>>13781823

Yeah, what the fuck.
Where are the Murmur Mansion plushies.

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>>13781823
No

>>13781823
Well it's a good thing Shinno doesn't know about this, because if he did, then that pervert would be dead.

>>13781823
>Eiji not Tomari's kid
No wonder he dies.

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Something about the Ryuki helmet makes me read it as having a confused expression.

I'm wondering, would the Den-O Final Form Ride work for the other forms Den-O takes?

>>13781900
Well Shinji does question things a lot. Makes sense.

>>13781911
Isn't he also a journalist?

>>13781912
A really shitty one, but yes he is.

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>>13781911
That carries over into early Dragon Knight, although Kit's opponents had a tendency to say confusing things.

>>13781727
They both look very confused.

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>>13781823
>tfw Kiriko doesn't have those boobs irl

So how was surprise future gentle/m/en?

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>>13782006
>bikini pictures
>yfw she has a rectangular body

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>>13782006
Kiriko a cute
>>13782008
Radical

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>>13782008
Paradox getting rocked harder than any monster in past five years was pretty great

>>13782008
The best rider movie since Megamax.

>>13782008
Really delivered in the visuals department, aside from the tape sword.

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>>13782030
That's why I like her best in the suits. I like to imagine that Shin and Kiriko don't take their suits off to bang.

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>>13782008
This damn fight only lasts 10 seconds

I wonder what the rider sneak-peek for the GhostXDrive Movie Taisen is gonna be?

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>>13782054
She also don't know how to smile. Until the last episode.

>>13782056
I wonder if part of the fight got cut? it is weird how quickly it ends. Other than that I don't really have any complaints with the movie

>>13782058
Isn't it confirmed to be Necrom?

Reposting from last thead, Toki no Hana (Flower of Time) TV Version from Gaim in mp3 format in case anyone's interested
https://mega.nz/#!f5IglD7Q!h3MhMkS22SX4Q43VL6LAA-WhkHXmUAe-U-T8CLYv-is

>>13782058
>>13782073

It's just necrom, he appears in the end of the movie for 2 seconds then never appears again, he doesn't say anything either.

Theres a fucking retarded scene in the movie where Kamen Rider Jun appears again; tries to defeat the bad guys: Dies and then it just jump cuts to a comedy scene completely ignoring the fact the bad guys were still fucking there.

Admittedly Chief meeting Sage was some good shit.

>>13782008
>paradox roidmude is literally ZA WARUDO
I liked the movie.

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>>13782087
Chief isn't permanently dead, right?

>>13782107

He comes back to life like less then a minute so no.

>>13782107
Remember, most of the mess in the present is all retconned out when they restore the past. It's basically a SHTGP thing, just the villains only have a large army in the altered timeline, rather than having conquered the world.

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I can't believe they fucked up the cut of Gou's Rider Kick in Surprise Future. Changing places with the Roidmude in the middle of the kick.

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Just finished this thing, it was fucking great. Drive is so strong in the character department, I hope we'll see a lot more of them in the next few years.

Does Kamen Rider ever do 10-year-afters?

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>>13781269
Joker and Mach

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>>13781269

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>>13781718
Is this subbed? I'm curious now.

>>13781718
All the camera work looks fine. But it sounds like it was dubbed in a bathroom and the CGI is like 90's level.

>>13782175
Only in Chinese. ;_;

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>>13782170

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SHF Captain Ghost when?
>>13782032
The bgm during this scene is phenomenal.
>>13781587
RX has a bad ending.

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Just in time for another rider movie, I've finished my scrub of the Shin bluray. Enjoy, or something.
https://shinvent.wordpress.com/2016/01/22/shin-masked-rider-prologue/

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>>13781823
That vacant expression.

>>13782196
QUALITY

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>>13782196

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The ending scene was cute

>>13781269
Why does Rider 1 get THREE fucking slots including preorder DLC?

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It was a pretty okay movie. Sanjo's good at making a fun summer movie.

But jesus fuck that very last bit of CG, what the hell were they doing here?!

>>13782215
Original Suit, Sakurajima, Current Suit, Spring Movie?

>>13782196
>>13782208

Oh. Oh god. Someone should take screencaps, and put the actors' faces into the doujin.

>>13782216
Are you just completely ignorant but still need to open your mouth just to seem like you know what you're talking about? That didn't even nearly answer his question and you were wrong on top of it all.

>>13782214
It was great. Best rider couple.

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>>13782216
It was especially weird coming after the sexy as fuck Rider Kick

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It'd be nice if we get could get a good aligned movie Rider for Ghost's movie

>>13782227
If it were so wrong why don't you bother saying the correct answer.

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>>13782215
Hongo, Rider 1, Shocker Combatman disguise

>>13782063

>that file name

The sad/funny part is that I don't doubt that at all.

>>13782253
I'd like to think that Heart banged every member of the cast at least once

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>>13782259

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>>13782266
I don't know why you had that prepared, but I'm proud of you Anon

>>13782259
Even Krim?

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>>13782273
Especially Krim

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>>13782259
>tfw you get banged by a roidmude

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>>13782282

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>>13781755
>From China
>Not from Korea so they can also get decent CG

Seriously say all you want about hte mech designs the actual CG is Garo-tier.

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>tfw Chase never got to be modern Drive just once
>He never got to try out Type Wild and Technic

>>13782290
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kd4tEO6ulaY
I'm not sure who made this, but it is rather good.

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>>13782293
>tfw Chase never got to bang Kiriko

>>13782297
Looks like China got Takara to do a mecha show.

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>>13782306
>tfw Chase never got to bang me

>>13782319
He can shove Chase's signal bike up his ass

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>>13781255
Bye bye Erika
Bye bye Nao

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>>13782333

>>13782251
yeah but my question is WHY so many slots? Nobody else has untransformed or other costumes

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>>13781739
>What are the non-japanese tokus that are getting subbed?
Bime Satria Garuda had both seasons subbed.

>>13782347
45th anniversary, dude. Same reason he's getting a movie.

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>>13782347
Nigga I didn't make the game. Common sense would say because it's the 45th and they shelled out the cash to get Fujioka so they're using him to the full potential.

>>13782371
Badly, by the looks of that.

>>13782388
He's not a native English speaker so the wording is sometimes a bit of a mess, but he does fix errors and takes constructive criticism on his wordpress properly so there's that. There's one other group that subbed it but they're apparently TV-N tier.

Is the CSM Gattack Zecter out?

>>13782416
Yno

So Orange Lion is dead? I hated them but they were my one hope for Gaim Gaiden 2.

>>13782432
Sorry anon, but your constant hate had manifested in the form of real life troubles. You have shot yourself in the foot.

>>13782432
You could just check their site or twitter

>>13782184
Really the big, common problem I see with nonJapanese tokusatsu shows is that the sound designers seem to have no idea what they are doing. There are no sound effects at times where it seems like there should be. They sometimes terribly dub over normal human dialogue. In this case there is an echo over the dub that sounds like a side effect of shitty studio equipment or set up of equipment. Also terrible sound mixing. Like that scene where all the shop owners are outside and they all sound huddled together in a small room because the they didn't even bother to edit the audio to make to match the secene. Then of course sounds that inappropriately over power other sounds. I can forgive dated CGI effects if they had good quality sound to keep it engaging and immersive.

Also another problem of Armor Hero I find is their music selection. I mean now they at least have a tune that sounds like a super hero action show, but I don't feel the Chinese language can provide a good enough "kick" for stuff like rock and other action-y kinds of music. That ED this season, though. Love it. Maybe they should aim for rap OPs instead. Help differentiate from Rider a little more.

The designs are as strong as ever though, I will say. They actually made an effective, form-fitting, lever-pulling belt and great looking weapons, unlike another show airing this year...

>>13782447
They are still on episode 12 of Ghost on the site, and I don't know what twitter is.

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>>13781269
Hopefully Skyrider will get a chance to shine after all these embarrassing years.
Pretty bad they included him but not Riderman though.

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This needs to happen

>>13782604
/krg/ has never been decent but it's been more decent than this.

>>13782604
Why did you have to remind me of this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LphbnCpHxw

>>13782427

Fuck, when is it coming out again?

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>>13782604
LITERALLY go back to Tumblr I guarantee you are fat woman

Why does the inclusion of Decade make everything better?

>tfw argie
>tfw just found out Takeru Satoh's new movie has been filmed here and I didnt know
fuck me

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>>13782599

honestly fuck these faggots for shafting Riderman. you can make a whole goddamn game about him with those arm gimmicks, like Bionic Commando sort of thing. well fuck em his Figuart is GOAT just for rope arm.

>>13782650
You are still butthurt eh man, i mean me too i would like to have Riderman as a full character. Nonetheless i don't post every single kamen rider thread in every board the same post over and over again. Get over it faggot

>>13782604
I mean sure ok, so long as its literally nothing like that

Rank all the series you've watched by Rider

OOO
Fourze
Decade
W
Den O
Kabuto
Drive
Gaim

>>13782642

Because Masahiro Inoue just seems to really enjoy acting jn whatever he does.

Shit, he singlehandedly carried Goldstorm too.>>13782644

>>13782728

Oops, didn't mean for that second quote to be in there.

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>>13782650
I don't like his color scheme. His concept art was better

>>13781255
What's the worst "__________ Edition" you can remember/think of?

So Wizard is the worst Rider right? I know the argument is between Faiz and Wizard in terms of series but in terms of character wizard is far worse.

>>13782758
I can't remember the edition, but the one where people were trying to get dirt on Yongou

>>13782759
Wizard characters are relatively dull but they occasionally shine greatly and are interesting.

Faiz characters are locked in a perpetual chain of frustrating misunderstandings and games of deaf telephone, where literally 90% of the cast is an unlikeable dick.

>>13782768
So wizard is the worst. You can have fun with a bad series but you can't with a mediocre one.

>>13782763
>Yongou
Weeaboo faggot.

>>13782782
No, no.

It's not an entertaining unlikeable. It's fucking eye-rolling. Faiz is miles worse, no matter what you say about Wizard the very worst you can say is "it's bad." With Faiz, you have to keep saying "Why the fuck am I wasting my time with this?"

>>13782604
>Wrong drive

>>13782790
the namefag you sextuple nigger

>>13782800
Well I'm talking about the main characters. Takumi is more likeable than Wizard.

Also I disagree "Fuck you for coming back to life, no body wants or likes you" is a hilarious way to start a show.

>>13782811
You implied at no point earlier that you were talking about Takumi. Takumi's better than Haruto, yes, but in terms of over-all characters of the show? Faiz is worse than Wizard.

>>13782819
>So Wizard is the worst Rider right? I know the argument is between Faiz and Wizard in terms of series but in terms of character wizard is far worse

First sentence. Wizard is the worst rider

>>13782759
No, Wataru exists.

>>13782830
My apologies for misreading. Comparing the two actual characters, I'll concede to that.

The actual worst in total is Kouta, though. He's a dumb whiney bitch and nothing about him is entertaining. At least Haruto has a few good moments, Kouta is just retarded.

>>13782782
It's not that Faiz is bad, it's that Faiz is so up its own asshole in dorama that it comes out the other end.

And you're either down with people being super Japanese and not talking things out, or you're puking in your mouth due to the ham fisted writing.

>>13782759
How do you determine worst though? Most bland? Then Rider 1&2 and Wizard take it. Most outright unlikable? You could make a case for Tendou, every Rider in Ryuki, Decade and Kiva. Most badly written? You could say all of them.

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>>13782319
>Gou and Chase never got to marry and have cyborg babies

>>13782832
Decade Wataru was half decent, Decade Takumi had no personality.

>>13782835
Kouta lost that teenage naivity about being a rider way too soon for him to have been good. The ptsd with takatora should've come in mid to end season not episode 4.

>>13782768

>90% of the cast are unlikable dicks.
Elaborate? Hardly anyone is a dick, I mean theres Kusaka and the smart brain folk ( even then J wasn't a complete dick. ) But how are Kiba, Yuka, Kaido, Mari and Keitaro dicks?

>>13782845
What a waste.

>>13782862
Well to be fair a lot of background people end up being total assholes just to make team Orphenoc a bit sympathetic in the early episodes.

Being zombie monster is suffering.

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>>13782845
>Gou and Chase never got captured and whipped by Medic

>>13782844
They need to pull off what they set out to pull off well. Wizard tried to make a Tendou 2.0 who wasn't so much of an ass and failed so cosmically because Tendou's entire character is how much of an ass he is.

>>13782862
>Kiba

Only sympathetic character, throws it away for stupid reasons

>Yuka

Murdering hellbitch.

>Kaido

Encouraged murdering hellbitch tendencies

>Mari

Screaming hellbitch

>Keitaro

The Human Punchline.

>>13782883

>Only sympathetic character, throws it away for stupid reasons.

He changed because every time he tried to trust a human he was backstabbed, one of his few friends was killed ontop of that.

>Yuka

Did some fucked up stuff at the start, but to be fair tries her best to change, not be a monster and on top of that the people who she killed were horrible people to her.

>Kaido

Horrible person who gradually becomes more and more human and kinder as the series goes on. Becomes a total bro.

>Mari

For the most part hardly; when she was one it was because of genuinely justifiable reasons.

>Keitaro

No argument, still he was likable. Although I did drastically prefer kotaro the milkmans character.

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>>13782877
oh god

>>13782877
Why is she so perfect?

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>>13782844
You can be a complete Heisei brat and consider 1 and 2 bad characters or whatever all you want but calling them bland is objectively false because every time they were on the screen it was a spectacle and absolute delight for your eyes and ears to behold. That's more than you could ever say for Wizard.

>>13782968
Why do I feel like you only just save and repost webms and have not actually watched the show? Hongo and Hayato are great characters, but they're not great for being a spectacle and an "absolute delight for your eyes and ears to behold." They're great because they're genuinely fleshed out and human characters. We've got Hongo's repeat musings and questions of his own humanity and Hayato's attempts to be as good a man as Hongo, but every effort he makes gets subverted. Hell, the one time he tried to make a fair gamble on who would go out of their way to fight Shocker, Hongo cheated him just so Hayato would be relegated to protecting humans.

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>>13782986
I'm so glad we have an expert with us here to instruct us how 45 year old kid show characters are actually deep and nuanced.
Get a clue you cocksucker, I was talking from the perspective that you don't need to think they're great characters since that's a matter of taste and opinion but because in the end they're still simply entertaining to watch in action. How DEEP you think they are is fucking irrelevant because on the most basic level (ie the level your troglodyte brain operates on when the pretty lights flash) they action is absolutely not "bland."

>>13782999
Calm the fuck down faggot.

>>13783001
>be a butthurt elitist cunt
>get chewed out
>c-calm down

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>>13782877
>Those jumbo pancakes

Oh dear god.

>>13783016
I'm not even the dude you were yelling at. I just think you're being a little faggot. You sound like you just rolled in from /v/.

>>13783016

How is he being a butthurt elitist cunt? He literally only said that he liked 1 and 2 for different reasons then you.

>>13783036
It wasn't even different reasons. He misread my intent, got butthurt and decided to act like Rider Expert like his reasons were inherently more valid.

>>13783016
>>13782999
The only elitist cunt here is you. The instant someone dared to call Rider 1 and 2 "bland" you immediately started calling them a brat and posted a very shitty webm. I love the show, but if you wanna show off a goddamn scene to them to show WHY Rider 1 and 2 are more than bland, use the fucking coin flip scene or the scene where Hayato and Hongo are helping out a crying kid.

You're a fucking faggot and you're the reason why no one wants to watch Showa shows: THey turn people into holier-than-thou cucks like you.

>>13783054
>YOUR WEBM WAS BAD BECAUSE IT WASN'T DEEP ENOUGH

My point, ONCE AGAIN since you seem to have comprehension difficulties, was that someone is perfectly entitled to dislike them as characters although I disagree but actually watching the action disqualifies them from being 'bland'.
You however are the one who keeps harping on about MUH DEPTH. If somebody thinks they're bland characters then the fucking coin flip bullshit isn't going to convince them otherwise, while some over the top action on the most basic level of entertainment value WILL make somebody think twice.

>THey turn people into holier-than-thou cucks like you.

Get some self awareness buddy.

>>13783016
>Rider 1 and 2 are bland
>NUH UH YOU HEISEI BRAT YOU'RE WRONG HERE HAVE THIS WEBM THAT DOES NOT INDICATE ANYTHING ABOUT EITHER CHARACTER'S CHARACTER OTHER THAN THEY FIGHT LIKE LITERALLY EVERY OTHER FUCKING KAMEN RIDER
>Why does it seem like you don't even know what you're talking about?
>OH LOOK THE RIDER EXPERT IS HERE, PLEASE SHOW ME HOW THE SHOW IS DEEP AND NUANCED OH NO YOU JUST WATCH PRETTY LIGHTS EVEN THOUGH YOU ACTUALLY EXPLAINED NARRATIVE DEPTH FOR THE CHARACTERS
>Calm the fuck down faggot
>OH YOU'RE SO BUTTHURT YOU ELITIST I CHEWED YOU OUT
You're so fucking autistic it hurts. Kill yourself.

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it ain't /krg/ unless there is a pointless showa argument somewhere

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>>13783063
Stop samefagging. It's unseemly.

>>13782847
>>13782835

I actually like Kouta, he reminds me a lot of Kenzaki in that he's dumber than a bag of hammers at times, but is willing to give up literally everything in order to make sure that his friends are safe and happy.

>>13783058
It's completely fucking perpendicular to your point, you fucking autistic retard. If you want to demonstrate why a character is interesting, you show them something that actually demonstrates their character, either through personality or dialogue.

If you wanted to show someone say, Kuuga's character, you'd show them the "Do you know what this is?" scene, or if you wanted to show someone Black's character you'd show them something like Kotaro flipping out over a candy wrapper.

But hey, what do you care, so long as bad guys are getting punched, who NEEDS character, right?

>>13783068
>Only ONE person per thread can talk to me! Only one!
Maybe it's several people who are tired of your shit, faggot. Ever considered that you're just annoying?

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>>13783077
>>13783058

you are one mad as fuck Showa faggot, speak for yourself buddy. I watch Rider for action and if the costume is cool, that's how I get into the show, I deal with characterization later. I didn't sit through Kabuto because I thought Tendou was a good character and that's the last thing I would present to anyone in the show's favor

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Can we just talk about great moments in kamen rider or something?

Remember that scene in OOO when Date, Eijji and Gotou were in bed together?

y-yeah

>>13783100
OOO didn't have any great moments except for the all combo transformation scene in the film

>>13783100
No, I don't. How was that scene?

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>>13783077
If you think posting something like this would convince literally anyone that they aren't bland you're kidding yourself. People don't get into Rider shows because of this.

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>>13783100
Remember those times when Eiji screamed "SEIIIIIIYAAAAAAA!"?
I kinda miss those

>>13783097
>I didn't sit through Kabuto because I thought Tendou was a good character
That's because he isn't a good character.

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>>13783104

it was cute.

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>>13783100
>>13783103
Do Net Movies count?

>>13783105
Just because you find a sense of conviction boring doesn't mean everyone else does. What's it like, being on the same level as a child?

>>13783112
exactly yet the show was still enjoyable and if I want to convince someone of this, I'll post a scene

this nigga is getting mad over nothing

>>13783121
But we're not talking about convincing people to watch shows. We're talking about showing why a character isn't "bland." It's kinda bland if you just sum up every Kamen Rider as "masked bug man who punches and throws and kicks things."

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>>13783120
Your literal butthurt is astounding. Stuff like this isn't going to get anyone into a show. I made these to showcase these moments but it's plain fucking retarded to believe someone is gonna pick up a 45 year old show based on this sort of thing alone.

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>>13783128
in that case I would still post scenes from the show to prove the action isn't bland or boring and how Tendou fights makes him unique and fun to watch why is Showa stuff somehow too good for this huh?

>>13783131
Why are you constantly acting like I'm talking about convincing people to watch shows? I don't give a fuck what you watch. I'm saying, and this should be really fucking easy to read, that if you want to demonstrate why a character in a show isn't bland, you need to be able to show that there's more to them than just fighting. Otherwise every Kamen Rider is the same and equally as boring/bland.

Or maybe you're just so butthurt you need to change the argument so you can pretend you're right.

>>13783137
We're not talking about the action or the fights. We're talking about the characters. If you're too retarded to figure that out, you may as well just stop posting.

>>13783116
Oh yeah! That was pretty cute. Awkward, but cute nonetheless.

>>13783139
>>13783145

only not every Rider fights the same. body language and fighting style tell you a shitload about the character. nobody else I can think of fights like Tendou. his mannerisms are unique to him. same with Double, Kuuga, etc. you're really just trying to portray Showa as these really deep and nuanced characters and Heisei as one-dimensional fags but it doesn't work that way buddy

>>13783152
>you're really just trying to portray Showa as these really deep and nuanced characters and Heisei as one-dimensional fags but it doesn't work that way buddy
Where? This is exactly what I fucking mean, you're changing the argument so you can pretend you're right.

With how you're acting, I can sum up any and every Kamen Rider as "Punches monsters doesn't afraid of anything" and therefore they're all the same and equally as bland.

Just fucking give up, you're not going anywhere with your retarded and misaimed argument. Go shitpost on /v/ or something.

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>>13783139
>Oherwise every Kamen Rider is the same and equally as boring/bland.

Is the concept of fun fucking dead to you because your tastes are just so high-brow or what? Watching Decade kill a giant crab with music is entertaining regardless of context, people who know fuckall about Rider can enjoy it. Get your head out of your ass about dumbass kid shows. None of this shit is Ulysses.

>>13783157
I'm not even the same guy you prick but you seem ridiculously assmad about enjoying fight scenes in an action show

>>13783160
Why not get your head out of your own ass? I like every show because I'm not a fag who needs to create arguments for or against either era. I'm just explaining you can't show everyone why a character isn't bland and only just show them punching bad guys. Every fucking hero in the past 60 years has done that. It's like saying "This couch is really nice" and then posting a picture of a floor.

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>>13783054
>you're the reason why no one wants to watch Showa shows: THey turn people into holier-than-thou cucks like you.

pot, kettle, etc

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>>13783158
>tfw you never know if you step in a ghost's shit

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Man /krg/ really sucks today, hopefully the episode of Ghost tonight will give us something else to tal-

Oh right, it's still Friday.

Fuck

>>13783172
There's plenty to talk about. There are a tonne of shows and films you can talk about, but nope.
Not even the latest episode gives any worthwhile discussion for longer than 30 minutes.

This place doesn't exist for Kamen Rider discussion. It exists so people can shitpost about Kamen Rider and Kamen Rider accessories.

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>>13783171
>tfw a ghost can do lewd things to Akari

>>13783167
>Every fucking hero in the past 60 years has done that.

But not the same way.

How many times I gotta tell you this.

Kabuto does not fight like Kuuga does not fight like Decade does not fight like OOO etc etc etc

Somebody who knows fuckall about Rider watching Double fight might not like watching Hibiki fight, using your logic they should enjoy every Rider because in the end monsters are getting punched.

>>13783158
dead people don't need to shit.

>>13783172
All we need is someone to Kenshiro post and then it comes full circle

>>13783184
>using your logic they should enjoy every Rider because in the end monsters are getting punched.
That's the fucking logic I've been arguing against the entire goddamn time you retard. You don't even know what you're talking about by this point, just stop.

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>>13783054
But people do wanna watch Showa especially given all the recent stuff. What they don't want is to be screeched at by some faggot who tells them they're not enjoying it the right way.

>holier-than-thou cucks like you.

Well then.

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>>13783172
>>13783179
We can talk about which eyecon we think is the best eyecon.

>>13783193
>What they don't want is to be screeched at by some faggot who tells them they're not enjoying it the right way.
You mean like >>13782999 ?

>>13783191
Well then you're not doing a very good job of it because you're implying every Rider action scene is dome the exact same way. Read what I'm telling you. Does Wizard fight like Ghost? Like Drive? Does Kuuga fight like Ryuki? Is someone who loves Double's fighting style gonna enjoy Amazon?

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>>13783197
Yeah but the guy before him bitched out first though about him not enjoying the characters the 'right' way. I wasn't aware there was a Rider Quality Control that forced you to only enjoy them one way, friendo.

>>13783202
I'm going off of this logic: Using action as an example of characterization is a very poor decision, especially since several shows make points as to make the Rider form opposite the human form. For example, Miyauchi admitted in an interview during the airing of V3 that he intentionally fought differently out of suit than he did in-suit. Another example would be in Agito, where Shouichi is typically cheery and happy-go-lucky, but as soon as the action starts he never speaks and acts like a hunting dog, running straight for the Unknown to fight them.

>>13783179
If Kuuga had a secondary Rider, who and what Motif would it be?

>Chono
>Motif would be a Hercules Beetle Ver. of Kuuga.
>Works with the Gurongi as a means of dealing with Kuuga while the Me Group continue their turn.

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>>13783207
>Yeah but the guy before him bitched out first though about him not enjoying the characters the 'right' way
You mean like >>13782968 , the guy he was bitching out?

The moral of the story is the entire argument is retarded and so are both of them.

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>>13783119
How many series have Net Movies? Or is actually a common thing? The W net series was great.

>>13783224
I think it's from Kiva to Gaim but I may be wrong, as Den-O might have also had them.

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>>13782968
>>13783105
>>13783131
>>13783120

I'm the guy who initially called them bland back in >>13782844

Nothing posted here has changed my assessment and you both look like massive pretentious jackasses.

SO HOW BOUT THEM BUGMEN, EH?

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>>13783218
The first guy could've gone without the 'brat' statement but otherwise was just trying to say they were fun to watch. the other guy got mad about webms.
I dunno but it looks like Showa Bro #2 wants fun outlawed in here.

>>13783225
>>13783224

It's Kiva to Gaim, also from my experience the only shitty netmovies were fourzes, they had some interesting things here and there and fourze meeting previous riders was cool but everything else was boring as shit.

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>>13783235
Fuck that, post ancient Chinese hero men.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3uDQ-h3UgBM

>>13783235

I'UNNO ABOUT CANABRO BUT I SURE DO LOVE ME SOME KA-RA-TEY BUGMEN!

>>13783212
you keep getting fixated on the characterization

this was literally about being entertaining to watch regardless if you think the characters are good or not

>>13783247
Except for the part where the conversation stemmed from whether or not Takumi and Haruto were bland. You don't even know what you're talking about.

>>13783251
that part of the conversation had clearly passed however

the dude said even if you think the old Riders were bland they were still fun to watch beat shit up which is a fact

it was the other guy who got fucking pissed about muh characters

>>13783252
>>it was the other guy who got fucking pissed about muh characters
The conversation started off from a butthurt retard who had to call someone a "Heisei brat" to convey his point.

>>13783243
That actually looks pretty cool.

>>13783256
Shame no one is gonna sub it because it's not Japanese and they don't have Sakamoto on board.

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>>13783255
can't handle the bantz m80? i'm heisei fan myself mostly but anyone who writes off the old shows wholesale I think deserves to get verbally jostled a bit

>>13783262
If you need to resort to petty insults to justify why someone does not appreciate a show, that fedora is perfect for you m8. Even then, he never implied he disliked V3, X, Amazon, Stronger, Skyrider, Super-1, Black, or RX. That's just your own butthurt coming to life.

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>>13783268
*stands outside death fog shop wearing fashionable hats intensifies*

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>>13783268
if they're petty insults they shouldn't bother you on 4chin of all places

stop being anti-fun ffs

>>13783196

Ryoma is the best personality and design, but has a pretty boring gimmick.

Robin Hood has the best gimmick and needs to be used more.

>>13783240

The segments with the Q&A panel with the suit actors was really fun.

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>>13783287

>>13783312
>No hit markers when it lands

Disappointed

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>It's a Shotaro gains 300 pounds and overdoes it on the bong episode

>>13782644
Go join the film crew and see if you can get fucked by him.

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>>13783321

>>13783213
Chono means "butterfly" though.

>>13783224
Kiva, Decade, OOO (2 sets), Fourze and Wizard. Then there's also net movies for the 2 Super Hero Taisen movies. Those are the ones I know about anyway. They are all highly recommendable and very funny, usually better than the films they are for.

>>13783349
It's actually Chou but good try
inb4 BUT THAT MEANS SUPER. It's said the same but written differently

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>>13783354
Oh right I was thinking of Chou no Masahiro, field of Butterflies.

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>>13783359
>Housei's face when

Quick question: I lapsed on Drive and now that the BDs are up I wanna get back in to it.

At what point in the series do the various specials/movies/crossovers take place? I wanna watch em all but not get spoiled on story details/new forms/whatever.

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>>13783281
Goemon's pretty great in my opinion, but my favorite is still Newton.

I would dig Benkei more, but his shoulders look too much like paper.

You know what I completely forgot about Benkei. He's pretty fucking cool too.

>>13783340
When the Phillip cosplayer faints it won't be because they are imitating the henshin.

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>>13783054
That webm is baller as fuck though nigger. It showed a time when Riders actually had bare knuckle throwdowns and got dirty and stuntmen who weren't afraid of being tossed down a fucking hill like a sack of potatoes in a claustrophobic prison they could barely see out of.

How Is Shocker gonna rear its ugly head next time?

>>13783435
>and stuntmen who weren't afraid of being tossed down a fucking hill like a sack of potatoes in a claustrophobic prison they could barely see out of.
The Rider 1 and 2 helmets had some of the best vision of any Rider helmet, though. Have you seen how little Takaiwa can see in Decade's helmet? Shit's horrible.

>>13783443
>Have you seen how little Takaiwa can see in Decade's helmet? Shit's horrible.
I'm just surprised than anyone can see anything in a tokusatsu helmet, but then I've never actually worn a tokusatsu helmet so I can't really make a judgement about visibility.

>>13783196
That's a really cool junction sequence.

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>>13783443
Being a Kamen Rider is serious.

>>13783435
don't bother arguing with him anon

you'll never love Kamen Rider the way he does (the right way)

>>13783504
Salty plebe detected

>>13783377
The Episode 0 beat with Proto Drive can be watched any point before Mach shows up, or whenever really.

Drive/Gaim takes place in between 12/13 or so. Any point after Type Technic arrives and before Mach debuts is fine though.

Taisen GP isn't really canon because time travel nonsense so watch it whenever the commercials show up for it, then Rider 4 after the movie.

I don't remember when Surprise Future starts exactly, but I remember there were 4 1-minute shorts at the end of a few episodes as a lead-in to it, so after the fourth and final one of those watch Surprise Future.

And they Type SCU can be done around halfway, but doesn't necessarily have any defining point that it takes place. They do say it takes place in April so probably when you get to the episodes that came out in April.

>>13783509
>I don't remember when Surprise Future starts exactly, but I remember there were 4 1-minute shorts at the end of a few episodes as a lead-in to it, so after the fourth and final one of those watch Surprise Future.

They have a couple tie-in plot points to Surprise Future in the series itself. Much like Den-O's first movie, they pretty explicitly tell you GO WATCH OUR MOVIE around the right point.

>>13783441
If rumors are true, they're gonna erase Rider 1's exploits from the history books and effectively un-person him, which will lead to a world in which no other Riders arrived.

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>>13783471
Some of them can be. This one's just alright.

>>13783509
Thank you!

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Wait, is it out or not?

>>13783533
>2016.1.14
Yes, it's out.

>>13783533
It's out for members on some Toei thing. Us regulars get it in Spring.

>>13782056
Wait for the DC

>>13783539
Oh, that's sad.
>>13783537
No shit, Sherlock, I was puzzled why I can't find it on App Store or Play Market.

>>13783509
>Taisen GP isn't really canon because time travel nonsense
It is canon though, its events get deleted in-universe, not denied out of universe.

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>>13781255
Kamen Rider V! 9!!

>>13783541
When was the last DC? Fourze?

>>13783528
Blade has some good ones, too. The bumpers with them and the Dekaranger cast are pretty cool.

>>13783520
Croikey!

>>13783509
>Taisen GP isn't really canon because time travel nonsense so watch it whenever the commercials show up for it, then Rider 4 after the movie.

As far as Taisen GP goes, it basically goes:

Drive episode 22-> Ninninger vs Drive -> GP -> Rider 4 mini-series -> Drive episode 23

The actual special aired after Drive episode 23, but there was a delay there due to Ninninger missing one week due to some unforeseen event.

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Daily reminder that Late Showa > Early Heisei > Early Showa

Everything else is utter drama garbage

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>>13783637
here's your (You)

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>>13783637
>Drive, W worse than Kiva

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>>13783654
Yeah, I guess

>>13783637
>W and Fourze are drama garbage but Faiz isn't

>>13783637
Yeah sure Faiz is a great show, way better than that W nonsense.

Do you have shit for brains?

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>>13783663
You are literally saying that a single 2-episode story makes W worse than 50 episodes of dull nonsense.

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>Black and Black
>The very best of Rider

Calm down, Brazil.

>showafags still mad that emperor hirohito is dead
get over it

>>13783654
>>13783664
>>13783672
I've never dropped any names, you're the ones cherry picking here :^)

>>13783673
>>13783679
Can you Heisei brats not avatarfag in every post?

>>13783548
True, I guess "canon" isn't the right word, but considering that the events don't end up mattering anyways since it all gets reset later I guess it doesn't matter too much.

>>13783688
>I've never dropped any names, you're the ones cherry picking here :^)
What did you imply then by Early Heisei my dude

Faiz is literally the fourth Heisei Kamen Rider show, that's relatively aerly

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>>13783664
>>13783672
>immediately jump to insult Faiz
When will this "Faiz is bad" meme die? It's wrong and stupid.

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>>13783688
I'm just articulating my disdain for you, onii-chan.

>>13783696
Faiz is indeed Early Heisei, but it's the exception that proves the rule

>>13783712
Early Heisei has had more bad shows than Late Heisei so far.

>>13783712
"The exception that proves the rule" is an absolutely meaningless and idiotic phrase.

"Yeah this is a rule and then this thing here that makes no sense with this rule means that the rule holds true" Yeah sure.

>>13783714
please refer to them as phase 1 and phase 2 to avoid confusion. Phase 1 starting from Kuuga - Decade and Phase 2 being every from W on