>>13778247 To me, it was just a name, so I didn't think anything of it. I was in middle school, watching it on toonami. You think I was gonna ponder the meaning of names? I was in it for the glowing hands.
You ever thought that perhaps "black" might be a stand-in for "shadow" instead, because it's how it's depicted in animation and images, a dark silhouette of a person, because this is what Schwarz is to the original Kyouji, unable to take a front and made as a last-ditch of the original, and therefore casually regarded as less substantial and thus a "shadow of his former self", and that he usual stays in the background, aka the shadows, and that he shadows Domon's actions several times throughout the show, watching from the shadows until he appears from nowhere, all of which are like how feudal spies/ninja/shinobi are commonly referred to as being in the shadows, the shadows to their lord, one with the shadow, etc. etc. e-fucking-tc.?
Did you fucking consider this fucking point of fucking view?
>Schatten I said they wanted to use a STAND-IN, not call it out straight. Fingers flying across the keyboard faster than you can read my post?
>Dunkel No, not really. "Black" is as legitimate a sideways reference to Schwarz's role as is "Dark". If you were there when there was a thread detailing Imagawa's thought processes on the production of G Gundam, it would have been clear that they're running a casual production. A simple "hm this seems out of place" is enough for them. This isn't some Evangelion-level triple-layer ref. sandwich infinity loop.
Like >>13778233, you would have a more legitimate position calling it out that there was a German contestant actually named Schwarz Bruder.
The audience was intended to be Japanese kids to teens, most of whom will never know a word of German and if they're learning a second language at all (many will be too young to have started doing so in a school) will be learning something like Chinese or English. The fact that an adult European or whatever you are knows what it means has no bearing on things because no-one making it cares whether you know it or not. Especially nearly 25 years after it was made in the first place.
>>13778761 It make sense to original audience because back in the days people outside of Japan aren't its main audience and even if the locals are skeptical they probably won't bother to check the name for accuracy because going to the library is a lot of work.
As someone who is Asian and watched G back when I was 7-8, as long as the name sounded foreign enough to me it made sense, you could call the ruskie Vlad Vodka and nobody would back an eyelid.
>>13778772 He has literally no makings of a Char aside from the mask. >at no point acts as the antagonist >acts as protagonist's mentor instead of rival >isn't a pedophile or otherwise insane Harry was a Quattro >closest he gets to obsession is familial protection (muh brother as opposed to muh underage newtype girls) >isn't compulsive, always has some master plan >tragic character
>>13778690 >>13778758 More likely, when the DG Cells of his consciousness revived the body of Schwarz Bruder, he gained Schwarz's memories, which allowed him to act in the same way he would. And since he was clearly doing well, no one from Neo Germany would really question the oddities.
>>13778054 His parents, Mr and Mrs Bruder >>13778202 FUN FACT: "Darth Vader" actually means "Dark Father" But unlike Star Wars, the twist about Schwarz is that he *isn't* Domon's brother, he's just had his personality and appearance rewritten as a *copy* of Kyoji.
>>13779586 >"Darth Vader" actually means "Dark Father" Maybe in Sith, Lucas just made that shit up after the fact. "Dark" is "Dunkel" and "Father" is "Fater." Does German even have any hard "rth" sounds?
>>13779688 >The myth was that it's "Dark Father" in German. I didn't say anything about German, though. You're acting like you're disproving something I said, but you're full of shit. I know it wasn't German. I was trying to think of which northwestern european tongue it was, but decided to neither guess nor google it, and you just got german-on-the-brain from the Schwarz Bruder thing and made yourself look like a fucktard.
>>13779711 I didn't say "dutch" either, fuckass, that's the other anon. Just google "darth vader means dark father" and you'll see multiple references to the quote originating from George Lucas. I could not possibly give less of a fuck if the two words are not from the same language, nor what specific languages they are. George Lucas said that the name means "Dark Father" so you can eat a dick.
>>13779749 >Just google "darth vader means dark father" and you'll see multiple references to the quote originating from George Lucas. Literally every link says otherwise >"'Darth' is a variation of dark. And 'Vader' is a variation of father. So it's basically Dark Father. All the names have history, but sometimes I make mistakes -- Luke was originally going to be called Luke Starkiller, but then I realized that wasn't appropriate for the character. It was appropriate for Anakin, but not his son. I said, 'Wait, we can't weigh this down too much -- he's the one that redeems him.'" He made it up, dude.
>>13779784 This, basically. Lucas said that Darth comes from "dark" and Vader comes from "father" (in dutch, apparently) and one guy is crying that they're not both from the same language as if that somehow overrules Lucas.
>>13779843 >more than one person retarded Too true. Look at this post: >>13779586 and tell me where you see "german" "dutch" or "a language". Screencap it, circle it in red, and include plenty of insults in your reply.
>>13779873 It is. Schwarz Bruder was the actual Gundam Fighter for Neo-Germany. He got overwritten and made into a copy of Kyoji, but still entered the Gundam Fight under his original name. It is also true, however, that the writers thought this name was a clever pun considering Schwarz was a shade of Domon's brother.
>>13779885 >I don't understand how English works well enough to intentionally imply things >>It literally gives the twist away 15 episodes in This post was referring to the fact that anyone would know Kyouji's true identity if they knew that "Schwartz Bruder" was poor German for "Black Brother." >"Darth Vader" actually means "Dark Father" Now, anyone with at least one tenth of a brain would know that you could only spoil something with a phrase if it has literally any meaning outside of your own stupid fucking head. Because Lucas made up "Darth Vader," then yes, it's true, it does by technicality mean "Dark Father." Well, actually, it doesn't. What it means is that Lucas switched around some letters and thought he had a cool name, like Quattro Vagina. It doesn't actually mean "Dark Father" in any language living or dead, which is why literally every search result will tell you the same thing. To reiterate: "Darth Vader" is a name that Lucas made up, and as such it couldn't have spoiled the movie, because it's not a translation of anything and as a result doesn't mean anything. Therefore, because nobody would be stupid enough to post something so ridiculously off-topic, you were implying that "Darth Vader" meant "Dark Father," possibly in some foreign language, which is also a popular myth that only stupid people believe.
>>13779927 >Now, anyone with at least one tenth of a brain would know that you could only spoil something with a phrase if it has literally any meaning outside of your own stupid fucking head Just knowing "vader" was enough, really. Especially with Owen and Beru's comments about Luke's father.
I actually laughed out loud when I heard that Lucas was now claiming that the idea for Vader to be Luke's father came after the original Star Wars. He contradicts himself a lot, actually. For instance, he always said that he wrote a trilogy and presented it to the studio but they gave him such a long list of things that needed to be changed about it that he wrote a set of sequels to it rather than change what he had written. That's why the original Star Wars suddenly became "Episode IV: A New Hope" which was not seen in the original theatrical reels. He said that he had no idea why fans loved Boba Fett so much, since he was a nobody who just happened to be present when Vader captured Han Solo. And then when George makes what he claimed at the time to be his original story that he wrote before what we now call "the original trilogy" Boba Fett is now the one unmodified clone of the super-soldier selected to be the genetic template for an entire army that brought the empire to power. That's a pretty hefty "nobody". Then there's Obi Wan's "Was I any different when you taught me?" to Yoda, being contradicted by Obi Wan being Qui Gon's apprentice (unless you assume that Obi Wan was comparing late-teen Luke to himself as an eight-year-old). Never mind the fact that his original story "The Star Wars" is easily available if you want to read it (there was even a Dark Horse comic series) and bears almost no resemblance to the prequel trilogy.
And Schwarz Bruder is a mirror image of Kyoji Kasshu.
I'll just repeat what I said previously, the whole thing with Schwarz is a bunch of Lv.1 foreshadowing that is meant to reward people of that time who had basic knowledge of German at that time, and little else other than the director liking it. Anime/manga in general has had no qualms in borrowing foreign terms because they like the way it sounds, this is no different.
Seriously, /m/, these foreshadowing traits are basic as fuck, I ain't saying they're good or bad but these side-glance connections are the most basic you can get in storytelling, especially in G where the entire thing is a homage to wuxia movies and its physical predecessor, chinese street stageshows, where these kinds of naming and over-the-top action is common as fuck. The greater issue here is that there was an actual German called Schwarz Bruder; either that, or copy-Kyoji being the walking plot hook that he is, hacked the Neo-German fighter database or any other dozens of easily usable reason.
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