Why does Wing have the worst girls, is it because they're not the focus so nobody on the staff really cared about them? Before anyone says "but Noin!" think really hard, remember how much her entire character is just "I do shit for Zechs" next remember how many kills she got, near 0. I don't know how anyone could put her in the same league as Emma, Haman, Cecily or Marbet.
the battle scenes are still pretty sleep-inducing when they are not reusing asserts though.
>>13778687 The only good fight scenes in W are the 1 v 1 duels because that's the only time they don't get to do >bullet/beam spam >reusing the same slashing the enemy open scene again shit again for 5 minutes.
>>13773581 I'm watching it right now (on episode 24) and I gotta say if you just take it as action schlock and kinda riff on it as you go, it can be kinda enjoyable. Like it's complete shit with its unlikable characters, nonsensical plot, shit pacing, and massive plot holes. But if you take it for what it is and not too seriously, it's not as painful as it could be.
>>13778775 >if you just take it as action schlock and kinda riff on it as you go >episode 24
I don't know how you can say this when the early episodes are the worst offenders in W in reusing assets, they stopped doing it about halfway into the show.
I remember back when I was marathoning W and sick of all the reused fight scenes >a new scene comes up where Wing got caught and crash lands into the ground >"wow this is actually a new scene from all the shit they reuse, maybe this show is starting to get good!" >it becomes reuse fodder at next episode
>>13778796 Too me that was the funny part. Like "are they seriously going this cheap here?" It kind of became a gag in itself. I'm also only watching 2-3 episodes a day, so I'm not really noticing it as much as if I were to marathon it, but yeah, if I were taking it seriously it'd be borderline offensive. How many times can I see the same 3 Leo's blow up?
>>13778805 I only carry on because it was a big thing when I was a kid and I never actually got to see the show back then, alongside shows like Gaogaiger and G gundam when they actually aired in my local television.
>>13779232 There was never teamwork, they stuck with each other for a brief period of time and then fuck off to do their own thing 2 episodes later.
I half-expected that there would be a scene where the 5 gundams would finally stick together and do some corny yet awesome final battle moment but the gundams almost never appear on the same screen together even towards the end.
The closest thing to them fighting together was when they were being beaten by Zechs' mobile dolls and Quatre was desperate trying to give them orders to have a strategy and the rest mostly ignored him.
The other time the 5 of them were together was when they got fucked in the ass by Trieze and they killed all the pacifists.
>>13778796 >I don't know how you can say this when the early episodes are the worst offenders in W in reusing assets
Protip: Gundam has ALWAYS been cheap as fuck. The stock footage from 0079 is infamous to animators even 30 years later. In comedy shows you frequently see them mock/reference the "zaku getting shot through torso with beam rifle" footage. G-reco was so cheap they didn't even make a proper OP, and IBO is working on a shoe string budget. I can go on and on.
People acting like this is a problem only for Wing are just meme spewing newfags. Unfortunately, there are a lot of those on neo-/m/.
From 16 to the recap episodes that plot and battles are quite good. The characters never really improve. But I would say that the middle third of the series has some very positive features. I found the initial arc when the Gundam pilots fail and decide to go back to space up to when Heero and Quatre return to earth to be the strongest point in the show. Having the Gundam pilots fail so explicitly and then have to pick up the pieces and figure out their place in the world was one of the most interesting aspects of Wing.
>>13779180 >>13781547 >>13781525 >>13779245 >>13779190 >>13779184 Wufei was a shit character which is why he was MIA most of the time. All his "Justice" and "Weak people shouldn't fight" faggotry was some of the dumbest shit. And he's really one to bitch about women when he was the only one of the five that was fucking married, not to mention that Sally A WOMAN was the only person to ever challenge Wifei's faulty bullshit philosophy.
>>13773581 Around episode 10 or so Heero stops being an edgy cunt, but he relapses occasionally.
Wufei is a retard all the way through and Zechs can't figure out what he's doing. The action and animation is hit or miss, sometimes it's great but sometimes you can tell they didn't really try.
The writing is spotty and the plot meanders a lot. New villains and characters are introduced to move the plot along and are quickly killed off, and certain characters are completely absent until they have a super dramatic soap opera moment that ultimately serves no purpose.
If you aren't watching for Duo and some of (in my opinion) the best grunt designs in the franchise, you're doing it wrong.
haman was a successful commander for an entire season. cecily was a decent pilot who ultimately quit about 2 thirds into a movie and then went on to be a successful commander (and baker) in it's sequel manga.
noin is set up as an ace pilot in like episode 4 and then does fucking nothing for the entirety of wing and she's STILL the best girl in the show. wing has awful girls.
>>13783603 >Relena was awful I don't know how people can still unironically spew out this shit. She was a 15 year old girl who was pushed into being the last voice of peace by her brother and Traze. Yeah, it took her until EW to realize certain things about peace but what the fuck did people expect. Not to mention you faggots act like her wanting to live in Peace is the worst fucking thing ever.
>>13783644 She was both unentertaining,and plain annoying to me.The only good thing about this show is the Late UC-tier MS.I mean this can be a late UC show.The mecha are small and overly speedy,and beam spam is abundant.
It's pretty much mediocre, poorly paced political drama, peppered with barely interesting action and heavy handed characterization the entire way through. Even fights that are fairly well animated end up feeling pretty uninteresting due to poor context, like the Heavyarms vs Tallgeese fight.
Wufei thinks that women are weak and shouldn't be fighting because his wife was the first pilot of the Shenlong and died piloting it. He wants to carry the burden himself because he think he is strong enough to were others will just get themselves killed.
>>13781616 Heero may have been an edgy cunt in the earlier episodes but it was a breath of fresh air seeing him laugh maniacally wiping those pilots out after four series of pilots constantly trying to justify why they had to kill enemy pilots. After he stopped being edgy the only fun pilot to watch was Duo and he's hardly in the show.
>>13785002 The whole political scene in this fuckfest of a show was so badly set up,it`s not even remotely believable.And also Relena had this insane notion that war was a bad thing.Yes it`s a bad thing by itself,but the combination of factors that lead up to it and the results are part of human nature.
>>13773581 Just got to episode 42 and unless something really changes in the next 7 episodes, I'm gonna go with never. It's been constant nonsense since the first episode. I'm kinda enjoying just how illogical everything is in kind of an ironic way. Like just sitting back with some friends and riffing on it has been a lot of fun.
>>13789030 First it`s unclear what the political organization actually are and what they represent.That`s how it`s badly set up.And also Gundam`s whole point is that war is part of human nature and a natural part of a civilization`s development.
>>13773581 So, I've got a quick question for you guys that understand what the hell is going on in Wing.
So Relena is all for pacifism, but then her country gets steamrolled because she doesn't fight back, she then becomes Queen of the World and is still on about the pacifism despite it never working and the only way she's achieved anything is by sheer luck and violence by other people.
So am I missing something here? Like I'm pretty sure the show it shooting for a "pacifism is the key" kinda thing, but all I'm getting is how impractical it is. Has her pacifism achieved anything at any point in the series that's suppose to make me sympathize with her?
>>13792107 Relena isn't the one all for pacifism. She is told she is for pacifism. Relena is forced into her roles throughout the story and is given ideals by other people. She allows the Sanc Kingdom to arm itself early on in that arc because she is told you can't just allow yourself to be attacked while preaching peace. That's how the Kingdom was destroyed the first time. They spoke of peace and didn't arm themselves even while being attacked. The Kingdom still collapsed a second time because they didn't have enough forces Everyone in the story at that point was using Relena and she was doing whatever they wanted. She was a pawn.
>>13792125 It`s a really bad Gundam show.It`s a passable mecha show,and that`s all.And from what I saw we had the vaguely defined colonies and the vaguely defined earth government,with the colonies somehow being oppressed.So they send super-prototypes to Earth to fight back.And that`s it.This is where the show`s realism goes into the privy.That`s where you lose me and that`s where I would have almost quit Gundam,because this was my first show.
Just finished the main series, gonna start Endless Waltz tonight and hoping it fills in some of the gaps in the Gundam protagonists's back stories and provides some clarity on the events of the show.
Quick question here: What was the deal with Treize's death? He gives a speech about he how his soldiers haven't died in vain, then kamikaze's. Doesn't that defeat the meaning of the speech? To say all the death was for a reason then to just kill himself out of nowhere. Did he want to be one of the soldiers to die in war? Because he states a few times throughout the show that war is beautiful. I'm not trying to be a dick, I just legitimately think I'm missing something here.
>>13797493 Did we watch different shows.Through 98% of the show we see the main gendums kill grunts.And that`s about it.We have a few battles inbetween teh gendums,and some battles against Zechs.And that`s it.You are seriously a fucking retarded 10-year old,if you presume that Wing is even half decent.
>>13799764 We certainly didn't if that is what you saw. The Gundams in Wing started out overpowered because they were fighting the Leo, a 20 year old machine. But even then with overwhelming numbers the Leo was able to overpower the Gundams. Duo and Quatre get the shit kicked out of them when they are trying to get to space, Quatre was forced to sacrifice Sandrock. Later after getting to space the Taurus rips Deathscythe apart, then Shenlong gets raped by Barge and Taurus. Wing and Heavyarms were left on Earth so they couldn't get raped. Later Tallgeese gets raped by Taurus, Wing Gundam gets raped by Virgo, Altron gets raped by Virgo, Heavyarms loses a hand to Virgo etc. That's more damage per Gundam than most main series Gundams take. all series. Wing is acutally one of the few AU where the Gundams are regularly beaten on. Strike didn't take much of any damage when Kira used it in Seed. Freedom got damaged twice in Seed. Exia took no damage until 00's final battle in season 1. Get the fuck out of here.
>>13807154 I promise you that I'm not OP. I responded to that Zeta thread though. I'm not trying to false flag any wing fans, because to be totally honest i have no idea why people think there's a quantifiable battle between Zeta fans and Wing fans specifically.
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