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So, just got finished watching that Thunderbolt episode, and I've got to say, I shan't be watching the rest.

Seriously, that was awful. Did they not realize how cringy that soundtrack was?
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>>13763987
>shan't
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Special making of
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_XmJRRbS8Y
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>>13763987
>Did they not realize how cringy that soundtrack was?
I'm sorry that the highly intellectual music isn't appealing for you
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you actually expected something from a 15 minutes webshow clearly designed to advertise the toys?
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>>13764006
This is way more interesting than the actual episode
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>>13764041
you mean a 30 year old franchise
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The Thunderraging begins
I just wonder how long he'll stick at it.
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>>13763987
I'm sorry that you are afflicted with a crippling case of SHIT TASTE
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>>13763987
>he doesn't have a taste for freeform jazz
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>>13765326
>freeform jazz
It wasn't even freeform jazz you dolt. I hate when people just regurgitate what they read on 4chan as fact. Idiot.
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>>13765338
It was jazz though. And it was pretty damn good.
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>>13765347
If you've got absolutely no taste in jazz and think pretending to like it makes you deep and cultured, then sure, it was good.

But as someone who actually fucking knows jazz, this was shit. Shitty derivative jazz for a mediocre cringe fest.
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>>13765326
Fuck off Patrick, free form is just the music equivalent of shitposting.
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>/m/
>Jazz critics
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>>13765360
Well, then I admit defeat. I liked it, but I know practically nothing about jazz. Therefore, being an amateur with no taste, my opinion means nothing.
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>>13765379
>mfw people still mistake /m/ for /mu/
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>>13763987
Ignoring the music its still a pretty fun watch
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>>13765386
>Well, then I admit defeat. I liked it, but I know practically nothing about jazz or anime. Therefore, being an amateur with no taste, my opinion means nothing.
FTFY buddy
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>>13765393
> or anime
Now you just wait a minute! Those things are not related.
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It really says something about how shallow Thunderbolt is if the only thing people can talk about is the music.
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>>13765401
>Someone starts a thread complaining about the soundtrack
>People talk about the soundtrack
Imagine that
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>>13763987

>Trick the Zeon into opening his cockpit
>SHOOTS THE MOTHERFUCKER IN HIS FACE
>Then push the body out into space and laugh at his comrades in the face and call their taste in music shit

I was laughing the entire time. It was fucking amazing.

I'm sorry OP that you have shit taste in both music and anime
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>>13765574
Yeah, I would have loved this crap when I was your age, too.
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>>13765574
He didn't "trick" him into opening the cockpit, he just pressed the fucking button
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look how thinly veiled this fucker's efforts at hating anything people like is.. jesus christ i'm sick of /m/
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>>13765411
Pretty rare occurrence, it usually goes
>Someone starts a thread about a subject
>SPICS! ZETAFAGS! etc.
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>>13763987
See, the soundtrack was actually one of the things I liked about it. I mean, I didn't think it fit some scenes as well, but it was some damn good music on its own.

It was like a callback to the UC OVAs. Good soundtrack, great action, just not a story or cast to get that invested in.

Still, at 15 minutes for four episodes, I'll kick back and enjoy the MS porn.
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>>13763987
>Did they not realize how cringy that soundtrack was?
I'm not super well versed in jazz, but isn't it just bebop? Don't see what's so cringy about that.

The episode itself was pretty decent. Too early to make any real judgments.
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>>13763987

The thing I didn't like about the episode was the goddamn tactics.

Like, in what fucking nation is the SOP for attacking a sniper to "Throw a bunch of guys into the kill zone"

Like, really? Fucking really?

That's what you get for having a woman in charge, I guess.
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>>13766146
To be fair, everyone else acknowledged that the plan was stupid as fuck. So yeah, she's just incompetent.
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>>13766146
They didn't know where the enemy was or that they could possibly hit from that far away but yeah she's a shitty captain
not quite Einus but shit
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>>13766169
Einus is better for bullying
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>MFW I just finished volume 3 of the manga
I feel some big shit a comin'.
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>>13766193

How much of the manga is the net series covering?

I can't imagine much with only four 15 minute episodes.
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>Thread Theme

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xr0Tfng9SP0
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>>13767990

Ep.1 covered four chapters, so going by that, it'll atleast hit ch.16.

I have a feeling though they'll just skim some more and reach ch.19 so that they can say they've covered up to the end of Volume 2
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>>13765602
>saying this on a board dedicated to children's cartoons and toys.
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>>13766146
>Like, in what fucking nation is the SOP for attacking a sniper to "Throw a bunch of guys into the kill zone"
Soviet Union in the Winter War and early WW2
At least in the manga they mention that the ships shot a smokescreen ahead of them to try to mask their approach. Still didn't help them
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>>13768037
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>>13768110

And how many chapters are in total?
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>>13765386

I'm glad we could have this discussion
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>>13768037
>>13768337
Best taste
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>>13764006
Thx senpai

>>13765360
>But as someone who actually fucking knows jazz, this was shit. Shitty derivative jazz for a mediocre cringe fest

You are only cringing because you're a fucking snob. YES it was bebop/postbop/hardbop not freejazz, but so what? If you expect the studio to include freejazz into a Gundam anime then you are 100% retarded. And if you really think freejazz would of been better then you have absolute shit taste. A bunch of random notes would of killed every fucking scene, you fucking retard.

With that said I still would like to see some recognition of Sun Ra's existence, not even in this anime specifically (though I think some Arkestry would fit perfectly), but in any Sci Fi media. Just a character saying "Space is the Place" would make me cum buckets.
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>>13768351
The series is ongoing, but the anime will only cover the part that takes place during the One Year War. For whatever reason, some people here thinks that the OYW continues on Thunderbolt, but that isn't the case. It ends with the armistice between the Federation and Republic of Zeon after A Bao A Qu. The second part involves hunting down Zeon remnants on earth as well as dealing with a faction in Asia that plans to secede from the Earth Federation after the War.
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>>13768351

In total there's six volumes of about 9 or 10 chapters each.

As far as I'm aware, there's only english translations up to volume 4
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>>13763987

As someone who's never really been into models, I really, REALLY want a model of Full Armor.

That said, I'd be shit at a kit, since it'd be my first ever, so here's hoping the come out with some prebuilt.
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The important question though is, where are the grill pilots? I know the Feds got some qt in an awesome Guncannon, don't think the Zeeks got one though.
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>>13770715

The Living Dead is a unit made up of amputees and walking wounded.

Men are more likely than women to survive traumatic injury, so there for the LD are going to be more skewed towards men that the rest of the already male-dominated military.
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>>13763987
>calling anything cringy
>I shan't
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>>13770682
if you want i build it for you and charge three times the price
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>>13770901

How's your painting?
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>>13770682
wait for the MG
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>>13771034

Are those prebuilt and painted?
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>>13771058
No, but they are bigger and easier to work with in some cases
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>>13771058
Might as well be, they're impossible to fuck up and have perfect coloring and decals.
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>>13771034

The HG isn't that bad

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RyckAytuPZM
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>>13773096

>Non-poseable extendo-arms

That's pretty bad
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>>13775332
>muh poses
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>>13768366
I read the manga and I'm probably an autistic edgy fag, but I find much more interesting Io Fleming than Darrly or his bland Living Dead squad.
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>>13775538

That's because you're an Western and not a Jap.

Io represents the Americans and their F4U Corsairs that are boom and zoomin' on the Zeros.

Darly and his gang represent the last Samurai of the Japs, holding on (and giving better than they get) all for the GLORY OF NOT-IMPERIAL-JAPAN

NIPPON BANZAI
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>>13763987
The soundtrack was probably the most non-childish thing about Thunderbolt, sadly.

What kinda anime you want, family?
>hit me with that awful writing, awful characters, boring action, and immature attitude towards death and war in a franchise that was once celebrated for mature storytelling in a toy anime
You got it.
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>>13775627
But anon, people DIED. That makes it REALISTIC and DEEP.
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>>13775631
Apparently so.

I mean Thunderbolt is seriously just embarassing. I know the integrity of the Gundam franchise hasn't really been that strong in a long time, but the storytelling in Thunderbolt being 50 steps BACKWARDS from a 1979 anime just kind of irks me.

People die in Gundam, sure, but it was usually to make a point. Even when a death was drastic (Miharu anyone?) it was to advance someone's character (Kai in that case) or make a point about how innocent or good people don't always get the good end of things. Or something like Ramba Ral going sudoku, it taught us a lot about who he is and what he believed in.

You can read a few things into 0079 but Thunderbolt (and sadly, people who complain about mecha anime) seem to have this idea that more killing is more realistic or somehow more interesting than less. When really it's a cheap device to shock people who don't know any better or sincerely believe what I just described. The same people who think "understanding" is a ridiculous idea and that teenagers in mecha anime are dumb, and that old men and flat static characters would be more enjoyable and 'mature'.

Thunderbolt is like a 15 year old who smokes cigarettes. It doesn't make you cool, you retard. Do YOU want 15 year olds to smoke cigarettes?
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>>13775679
Given that assessment, what do you think of Front Mission: Dog Life & Dog Style from the same author?
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>>13775690
I've never read it, so I can't say anything.

And that's just my opinion on Thunderbolt as it relates to the Gundam anime franchise. Maybe Front Mission is different.
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>>13775695
Well, I'll tell you right off the bat that the manga is more violent and raunchy than the rest of the FM franchise. Take that as you will.
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>>13775690
That explains a lot.
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>>13775707
Stuff like that has a right to exist and be enjoyed (obviously), alternate interpretations of existing media is just fine, I even encourage it.

But it just seems so backwards for Gundam, and to have THAT of all things enter the pantheon of anime series that people can chose to watch.

Front Mission though, and Dog Life & Dog Style, I can't say anything about what I might think. Maybe it's done really well! Maybe it has meaningful killing and sexual themes.

Thunderbolt doesn't, in my mind. It's extremely superficial.
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>>13763987
What's with all the newfags infecting /m/ as of late? More refugees from /a/? OP sounds like some fag trying to desperately make use of his worthless music theory degree. Unironically using a word like "shan't" just scream pseudo-intellectual lib arts major.
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>>13763987

I loved it, the Jazz started out tolerable but became just bizarre by the ending credits.

Io Flemming is such a huge piece of arrogant shit. This series genuinely makes the viewer cheer for the Zeon characters.
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>>13775861
The story deliberately shows the characters from Zeon side, the most noble and pure, but Io become a great character as the story progresses. He remains arrogant, but has a personality with good and bad sides.

Darly is just ( and remain) a naive faggot "2d" with no true personality.
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>>13775861
>Io Flemming is such a huge piece of arrogant shit
I see a lot of people getting really bothered by Io, is it because he threatens you by not being a cute little autistic girl?
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>>13775861
I dunno. I get that they want me to feel sympathy for Daryl and co, but they're just...well...there.

I mean, Io can be a prick, but you know what? It's a personality. It's memorable. I can work with that.

Daryl, at least as of where I've read up to, is prettymuch just "I have no limbs and I must beat the Gundam"
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>>13775782
Uhhhh I'm a music major and I enjoyed Thunderbolt. Just sayin.
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>>13763987
>Did they not realize how cringy that soundtrack was?

Don't you have to be studying for a civics test anon? You won't pass 6th grade like this
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>>13763993
What's this Charles Barkley-ass nigger people keep posting
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>>13775861
>Io Flemming is such a huge piece of arrogant shit.

He's the hero /m/ wanted. Or at least the next best thing to Jerid and Yazan killing all of the space colonies and poor people.
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>>13777489
It's smug Khyron/Quamzin. That's a pretty common smug reaction image, though I don't recall where it's from exactly...I wanna say one of the Robotech novel covers, but I don't remember.
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>>13766169
Einus ws spaghetti but supposedly would be competent once she got over it. She's untested but sadly we'll never get to see her do anything of note.

TB bitch is proven to be just dumb as hell though.
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>>13776113
When I look, Daryl really looks like the male variant of the "girl next door".
But he character is all about the guy who constantly sacrifice himself for another person.

He join the army ranks, because he ill father would have hospitalar treatment.

He got his limbs torn off, not by own choice, so he can fight the gundam.

Its a bit tragic when you stop to think, that even if he dont like war, after the war he cant just surrender and come back home to his family, because he is ambulant army project. If he surrender, the federation would take out his prosthetic limbs to study them, if he try to run away from the zeon remnants, they would hunt him, because you just cant let a secret militar project on the loose. More than that, karen is also mentally ill now, and in the care of the remnants.

A cornered bastard, that the only viable option is fight, and even so, he maintain a calm and passive personality, maybe that why I personally prefered him, as a character, over Io.

Its not teen crying all over the situation, its not a aborrecent, it's not a autistic character that accept everything he is commanded, and its not a edgy guy, all over the top.
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>>13765401
People talk about the music not just because it featured prominently but because it's an actual motif in the story. Did you not get that from the whole "douchebag maverick with mad skills who happens to like jazz" becomes the rival of "nice guy sniper who likes idol pop music" thing?

The first episode made it clear that the antipathy Darryl has towards Io isn't just because he shot his CO in the head or even that he insulted his prosthetics; it's because their personalities are fundamentally incompatible with each other, and the music they like is a not-so-subtle representation of that fact.
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>>13775679

It's war. People die in war.

In fact, a LOT of people die in war. Viewers just want verisimilitude. Otherwise, it's all just fronting: Gundam has very, very heavy plot armor on protagonists, so this is a refreshing change.

Even 0079 had a lot of death in the most famous sequence: The huge battle at A Bao Qu. Did you miss the part where half the cast cacked it in one extended sequence? Even the villain died.
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>>13776054

It's because most of /m/ likes to see itself as the brooding underdog chosen by destiny. Io is what a protagonist would really be like; a swaggering alpha male who's confident, is likeable, loves his job, isn't particularly troubled by dirty work, and would likely shove them into garbage cans.
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>>13778006
Yes, in fact he's a "fucking nothing" guy. A male Pollianna thrope. The story just try so hard to make the Zeon poor good guys pitiable.
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>>13778046
He's basically the Chad /r9k/ complains about, isn't he?
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>>13777550
If there's one thing IBO should have taught /m/ by now, it's that getting what it wants will inevitably find a new way to displease them.

Put the monkey's paw down, /m/en. Before it's too late!
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>>13776054
How many animated Gundam works have a female as the main character? inb4 Kamille
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>>13778046
>Io
>likable

Except for the part where, Cornelius aside, just about everyone else who works with him is in varying degrees of 'hates his guts', to the point where a few have already stated it's no skin off their nose if he gets killed.

>>13778042
>Did you miss the part where half the cast cacked it in one extended sequence?
>half the cast

When you say 'half the cast' that usually infers the established named characters rather than the huge swaths of extras.
In terms of named characters, you can say maybe five died at ABQ. Of those, only four were characters we knew much of before the battle. In fact, Twanning, the fifth, was made JUST for that storyline.

Plus, that was the end game. People kind of expect shitloads of death at a moment like A Baoa Qu because that's kind of meant to be a gamechanger. It's something where that level of gravity and shock is a desirable side effect.
A Baoa Qu is supposed to feel like a horrific kill fest because, much like Grypps and Axis in later installments, it's a desperation battle. Factions have everything riding on its outcome and as such, they're throwing everything they have into it, because they know if they give an inch here, the war may as well be lost to them.
If you do that in EVERY battle, it loses

It's a dash of realism to be used sparingly. If every battle is just throwing 50+% of your characters into the meat grinder, the whole thing loses its impact pretty quickly and moments that are supposed to be shocking turns of fate instead become little more than "But for me, it was Tuesday" deal.

Also, in a case like this, it then risks exacerbating that feeling of protagonist plot armor since now said character is coming through odds that are regularly slaughtering THAT many more characters.

Versimilitude is a nice idea, but it's something that really requires a careful hand from a storytelling standpoint.
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>>13778945
*If you do that in EVERY battle, it loses its impact, and what was once shocking becomes staid - one loses a reason to become invested in characters because we're too ready for the author to bump them off for no other reason than 'because it's what makes war realistic'.
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>>13778042
You're right about the REAL war thing, but we're talking about effective storytelling. >>13778945 Basically got the words out for me.

If viewers really want the 'verisimiltude' in their shows, then by all means they can have it any I hope they enjoy it.
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>>13778940
Stargazer
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>>13765326
listen to real freeform jazz and then come back again you mammoth faggot.
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>>13763987
>I shan't be watching the rest.
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Why are all of the zeeks missing limbs?
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>>13768037
Great choice.
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>>13781402
Their unit is comprised of Zeon soldiers who have been maimed and recycled as MS pilots. They're also used as guinea pigs to test a new control system that uses the connections in their bionic limbs to move the MS as if it were their body. Daryl used to be an infantryman for Zeon before getting his legs blown off
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>>13781550

Bottom Right

That rifle is FUCKING HUGE

Like, even the Objective Individual Combat Weapon rifle wasn't that huge
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>>13783908
probably is based on the OICW/K11
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>>13781550

Wait, Zeon uses the PASGT helmet? I thought that was a feddie thing?
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>>13788502
It's thunderbolt. The creator straight up said in an interview he does his own thing when he wants to regardless of how well it fits with the rest of UC and has permission to. Hence the whole "Alternate UC" thing.
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>>13788502

The Feddie thing has always been to use the M1 helmet (i.e. America's WWII, Korea, Vietnam helmet)
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>>13788584
>>13788584

Pretty sure they have Kevlar helmets in 08th. And those battlefield style Gundam games that never really took off had everyone with pretty modern gear, IIRC.
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