Is Gundam 00 S1 still the best AU Gundam?

[bell clanging intensifies]

>>13750432

It's a damn fine one, but G will top the AU list for me, probably until we get another kung-fu Gundam series.

So yeah, probably forever.

>>13750498
Anon pretty much said what I was going to

>>13750448
MY WISHES OVER THEIR AIRSPACE

>>13750522
MY LIFE I TRADE IN FOR YOUR PAIN

>>13750432
that episode 1 is pure gold solid hot damn, remember the very first trailer?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9cdZK03yIA

It's better with S2 and the movie. S1 is great, but I like the complete story more.

>>13750572
>I really can't stand the best post-2000 Gundam OP.
Okay.

>>13750432
I'd sure as hell say so.

>>13750565
Agreed.

00 would bave been god-tier if it had Wing's animation and MS design

>>13750432
No, Turn A is. If that doesn't count as AU, then yes.

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Missed Potential: The Season

>>13750603
>Wing's animation
Or lack thereof, in most cases.
>and MS design
Enemy suits are a mixed bag in both series, but 00 solidly beats Wing in terms of actual Gundam design.

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>>13750603
>if it had Wing's animation

>>13750614
I'd rather have gorgeous still frames and stock footage than Persona 4 Golden levels of QUALITY and ugly stock footage.
>Enemy suits are a mixed bag in both series, but 00 solidly beats Wing in terms of actual Gundam design.
00s Gundams were all exceptionally samey and looked like a Gundam Sentai team.

>>13750603
>>13750614
>>13750624
He probably meant artstyle

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>>13750625
> looked like a Gundam Sentai team
And this fucking didn't? Nigga you are smoking crack

>>13750624
Gundam Wing, for better or for worse, has the best animation out of any AU so far.

>>13750626
Fuck that. Wing's art direction can go and stay go. Good color coordination though, way better than 00's haphazard blues and whites.

>>13750628
Every one of those actually looks unique. Noticably, most of them are different colors instead of white with differently colored highlights.

>>13750614
00 has some ugly as fuck Gundams.

>>13750625
>00s Gundams were all exceptionally samey
If you're blind, maybe. The only Gundams that actually looked notably alike were the Thrones, which were that way because their whole gimmick was that they were supposed to be the samefag knockoff Gundams. And they were some of 00's weaker designs, admittedly.

Not sure if trolls trolling or someone genuinely thinks Wing ever looked good.

>>13750648
Is this a new meme? I have never seen /m/ shit on Wing's visuals.

>>13750655
So this is your first time on /m/? Figures.

>>13750655
/m/ didn't even shit on Wing hard in the past. It was even voted as recommended back in the day. The board is just infested with new posters and vocal haters.

>>13750631
>Gundam Wing, for better or for worse, has the best animation out of any AU so far.
Do you seriously believe this?

>>13750655
Visuals=!Animation.

Wing does look pretty, but actual animation-wise is a very different story as Heavyarms' stock footage will tell you

>>13750655
fucking more newfag every fucking day i swear

>>13750664
Not that guy, but I'd say that Wing has some of the best static images I've ever seen in Gundam - especially in the OPs with those way over-developed cockpit shots.

>>13750668
What does that have to do with looking good?

>>13750631
>>00's haphazard blues and whites

lolwut? Each line has its own color scheme. Exia is blue and white, Dynames is green and white, Virtue is black and white, and Kyrios is orange and white.

>>13750656
>>13750669
I've been here longer than you newshit, and that's long enough to remember the 00 QUALITY threads.

>>13750664
G Gundam - shit (I like it but it looks like shit)
Wing - decent
SEED - shit
SEED Destiny - shit
SEED Remasters - shit
Gundam AGE - exceptionally shit
Gundam 00 - exceptionally shit
IBO - shit

All the AUs look awful.

>>13750677
AGE and 00 have better animation than Wing. G is about on par with Wing in terms of animation. The rest are indeed worse though.

>>13750675
>lolwut?
I meant the art direction you moron. Wing's Gundams didn't have any color coordination at all.

>>13750677
This whole conversation started with Wing's animation being praised in >>13750603. Not its static images, or its visuals as a whole, but specifically its animation. Which is an area in which Wing falls decidedly short.

Looking specifically at the shows' animation, Wing is handily outdone by 00, AGE, and GBF.

>>13750686
>AGE and 00 have better animation than Wing. The rest are indeed worse though.
There isn't a single anime series that AGE looks better than. And again, 00 looks bad enough to have been made by a studio like A1.
>G is about on par with Wing in terms of animation.
You need to rewatch G Gundam anon.

>>13750631
>Gundam Wing, for better or for worse, has the best animation out of any AU so far.

Are you retarded? Its pretty much at the bottom rung only beating out SEED and Destiny. Art style is fine but art style=/=animation.

>>13750689
But Wing had drastically better animation that AGE, it looks like a cheap hentai. 00 looked better than AGE but not by much.
>Build Fighters
Didn't even register as a Gundam anime to me, I guess you're right on that count.

>>13750432
that would be turn A or after war

>>13750692
It's pretty obvious that you're just delusional. Again, animation != art.

AGE has plenty of decently animated battles, and so does 00. G mostly consists of still frames and panning just like Wing.

Someone needs to give me some of these examples of Wing's so-called great animation because I am not remembering any of it

>>13750692
>There isn't a single anime series that AGE looks better than
Okay are you aware we're talking about actual animation here? Plot, characters, character designs and practically everything else it gets wrong aside, AGE actually does have a fair amount of well-animated fights

>>13750677
You forgot X

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>>13750700
Here you go.

>>13750706
I can literally hear the sound effect in my head

>>13750706
>all those stock footages

well no shit people remembers it

>>13750706
>Had to reuse 2 of them to make it 4

>>13750686
Dude G Gundam looks like ass. Wing is substantially better.

>>13750721
I'll say Wing has less stock footage than G maybe

>>13750706
You are now aware that Heavyarms has a Gundam Face for a chest.

>>13750702
AGE looks awful. People think the animation was good because they liked the choreography, but they totally forget about how every AGE Gundam (MS in general really) was overly simple to the point of looking like a boxy Nagai structure but without the differentiation that makes a Mazinger. These shitty designs were somehow still animated poorly 100% of the time despite the fact that they were designed the way they were so as not to fuck the animation team over like 00's designs.

>>13750432
It might be one of the prettiest, but it's probably one of the worst written.

>>13750721
They both have pisspoor animation. The 90s TV gundams are all about on the same level of animation (Turn A being notably better). The difference is in the art direction, choreography, etc. For example, Victory has shit animation, but the battles were generally pretty good because of the choreography.

>>13750730
>still not understanding the difference between animation and artstyle

>>13750637

I would agree with you in regards to the S2 models. But S1 had great as fuck designs for the Gundams.

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>>13750743
>literally pointing out animation
>"no man you're just mistaking animation for art"
Holy Christ anon

>>13750756
The season 2 suits are all visually worse than the S1 suits. The only saving grace for S2 was Reborns.

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Nothing special, but it's better than most of the animation in Wing.

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>>13750432
No.

>>13750837
And here
We
GO

>>13750837
>>13750839
I love G-Reco, but it's not really an AU gundam.

>>13750837
>AU

>>13750829
I want to hate-watch this show BUT I can't find any torrents with seeders. This somehow makes me sad.

>>13750845
Yes it is.
It takes place in an alternate reality where it takes place after Turn A Gundam. When everyone knows in UC Turn A comes last.

>>13750855
Tomino just changed his mind and put something after Turn A. It's not an "alternate reality." Just accept it; it's not a big deal.

I like 00 all around, but I think G despite being the most radical departure from the Gundam baseline was the best AU. X and Turn A pretty good too, Wing? Its alright, its not bad but I think it gets a little too much hype. I think its funny that it's got worse animation than Victory.

>>13750677

Jesus, you must have very little in life that excites you.

>>13750887
I'm not a happy person, no. But it's not like I don't think any series has good animation.

>>13750882
>its not bad but I think it gets a little too much hype.

From who?

>>13750906

Why does it matter? /m/ does praise it on occasion when no praise is due, other sites like ANN love it, its pretty popular in the West given it was the first shown here on cable tv.

>>13750919
Because I never see hype for the show here. Ever. Wing used to get a ton of hype with large threads but recently? No. Unless it's the same few posters, Wing gets tons of hate here. ANN is shit and this whole people only like Wing because of nostalgia things needs to stop. 00 is more of a nostalgia affair for people than Wing at this point.

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>>13750432
If we're not counting Turn A as an AU Gundam then season one of 00 is the best for sure.

>>13750603
>Wing's animation and MS design
>MS design
Wing's suits look like toys. And the exia is god tier so I don't know why you wouldn't want it.

>>13750636
BEcause CB was supposed to be a actually competent military instead of just terrorists for the sake of terrorism?

>>13750974
As much as I love the Exia, I can see people taking legitimate issue with a few design cues. The head, for one, can be off-putting. As can the GN design cues like the jewels and the ribbons.

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>>13750432
>still the best AU Gundam?
it never was to begin with

>>13750974
>Wing's suits look like toys

And the 00 Gundams don't? Especially the S2 suits? Exia is the most overrated suit in the franchise.

>>13750561
>gundam00.net
>gundamoo
>gandamu

>>13751021
>OO vs 00 debates
This was the most autistic shit ever on /m/.

>>13751063
Wait I was underageb& and wasn't browsing /m/ when 00 was first airing. Was this really a thing?

>>13751071
Anon's talking shit, it was the only time the board was more of a trainwreck than the show that was airing.

>>13750432
>still

It never was and never will be, sorry anon.

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>>13750614
>>13750624
>>13750626
>>13750689
>Wing has bad animation

Found the memers

>>13750974
>Wing's suits look like toys.

Want to know how I know 00 was your first Gundam?

>And the exia is god tier

Exia is the most overrated gundam design in the franchise's history. Even worse is the fact that it has lead to the awful IBO designs.

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>>13751200
>Exia is the most overrated gundam design in the franchise's history
You're forgetting someone here.

>>13750974
>exia is god tier
DUDE MY LEGS ARE RECTANGLES LMAO

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>>13750565
My colored bretheren!

>>13750613
WHY WAS THIS NOT A THING

>>13751382
Fujoshi hated females that was not named Mari.

>>13751221
RX is the original. It's not overrated, it's idolized because it's also the mascot for the series.

>>13750613
God, that would've been so much better.

If only Hallelujah had stayed dead too, and Soma become the Arche's pilot on her own.

>>13751200
>Even worse is the fact that it has lead to the awful IBO designs
???

Washio didn't design Sexia.

Also, Throne Drei a literal shit, but Barbs is sexy. Although only it and the Grazes are good imo.

>>13750613
>Missed Potential: The Season
Was mad as fuck when I watched it and this did not happen.

>>13751437
he's probably talking about ebikawa's work in IBO

>>13751445
Was he not responsible for the Grazes?
Sorry, I haven't been paying that close of attention, just following the suits on the side.

>>13751455
Yes, Ebikawa designed the Graze.

>>13751455
Ebikawa designed the Grazes while I believe Washio designed Barb.

>>13751471
mahq confirms.

I think so far, Washio has only done Barbs.

It's definitely not X, Wing, IBO, AGE, or SEED. Absolute trash.

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>>13751428
>Soma become the Arche's pilot on her own.

This thing? How would that have worked out?

>>13750613
Even though she had no piloting skills or experience, it still would have made so much more sense than a convenient identical twin brother.

She was also the cutest.

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Even though I prefer S2 myself, I agree that S1 is pretty high on the AU tier list.

>>13750613
This really would have fitted more, honestly.

>>13750613
This .... It made me so mad how they completely went nowhere with Felt.

>>13751832
Except for the whole being important to the plot thing

>>13750613
It would have been nice to see, but she was never really a central character to begin with so I didn't think it was that great a loss as some people.

Plus, I was more worried they were going to replace Setsuna in S2 considering the fickleness of the Japanese fanbase (and the unfortunate precedent set by Destiny).

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>>13750565

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Reading through this thread is giving me a severe case of Autism.

>>13750677
>G Gundam - shit (I like it but it looks like shit)
>Wing - decent
>SEED - decent
>SEED Destiny - shit
>SEED Remasters - better but still shit
>Gundam AGE - exceptionally shit
>Gundam 00 - decent
>IBO - TBD

Fixed that for you.

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>>13750498
>probably until we get another kung-fu Gundam series

I mean, we got one, it just wound up being One Punch Gundam.

>>13750565
Agreed

>>13750677
Turn A fag detected

>>13752064
I'm actually a ZZfag. Just because it was made before Sunrise could into TV anime doesn't mean it's not the best.

>>13751990
>better but still shit
Nobody actually has this opinion, do they? I thought the SEED Remasters were the most notorious visual downgrade in /m/ history.

>>13751813
Why are the Arche's arms so damn long? I don't mind the rest of the design, but those are arms are ugly. And the shoulder connection is just a cube. And it needed more surface detail to break all the red.

>>13750432
>00 S1
>D-Don't look at the bad part of my favorite show :<

>>13752083

The only upside for me was the Perfect Strike, to be fair, plus they got rid of a lot of stock footage.

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>>13751990
>SEED - decent
>SEED Remasters - better but still shit
hwat

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>>13752083
They were in terms of character design, but even taking into the account what >>13752113 said about stock footage, you're still missing around 20% of the picture in most scenes because of cropping.

And don't even get me started on the retarded retcons...

>>13752155
REMOVE HIRAI

>>13752007

Nah. One Punch Gundam would have had the MC be ridiculous but wholly unappreciated, yet still abiding by an unwavering moral compass and steadfastly promoting the ideals of Gunpla.

"I just do this for fun."

>>13750432
I liked S2 better in some ways

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>>13752160

SEED Remaster got a lot of stock footage? It would be awesome to see a version with old chara designs and new battles...

>>13750717
No, that was Sunrise.

>>13752212
SEED Remaster got BRAND NEW STOCK footage! That was a meme some anons on 2chan found when the Blu Rays (which also have scene changes from the Youtube Remaster release) came out.

>>13750845
It's a thinly-veiled AU.

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>wing has poor animation

That's bull shit, wing has some the best animation. There's many scenes that have extremely detailed in-between frames.

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>>13752155
this cropping thing is over blown. Most of the scenes were re-drawn entirely on the Blu Ray

>>13750498
G still stands as the best AU for me, partly because it's a fun series but also because it's most distinct from regular Gundam series.

>>13752516
>>13752510
Typically scenes from the OP are nicely animated

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>>13752505
>>13752533
>>13752522
I can post tumblr gifs too

S2 was better

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>>13752539
those are not from the OP


The ones from the OP are even better looking.

>>13752210

Everyone loved Yuuki and revered his Gunpla skills. The equivalent of Saitama would appear to be some nobody scrub with an even more bland looking Gunpla that nevertheless absolutely wrecks the shit of everyone he fights.

Like, he'd field a Zaku II. MAYBE with a cape.

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>>13750432
Never was.

>>13752885
>not WanPanDam

>>13752885
So a hilariously overpowered version of snapfag boxer? I'd probably watch that.

>>13752505
>There's many scenes that have extremely detailed in-between frames
For a Gundam show it probably had the least. If you don't count IBO that is.

>>13752160
>>13752885
Plus he would be utterly bored because no one can provide an adequate enough challenge.
>"yippee, ANOTHER GM variant"...

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>>13752955

Never mind. I found the perfect suit. I also now know what my next Gunpla project is going to be.

>>13752979
>punches opponent
>massive explosion

>it's the Leo that remains standing

YEAH
THAT MAKES SENSE

>>13752989

DOESN'T IT THOUGH

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>>13750565
This so hard this
You sir are a man of fine taste

while each part of to show us different in its theme and quality as a whole gundam00 is a great show that left me pretty satisfied at the end for the most part
Also WHERES ARE HG GNX-IX BANDAI?!??

>>13750432
Fun analysis: G.

Cost–benefit analysis: 00.

Wing? Dear lord... Except for the great mech design, Treize and Zechs, the rest is shit.

>>13752991
It legitimately does though.

So how hard is it to convert an MG Geese into a Leo?

>>13752505
People confuse a lot of stock animation with poor animation. For Example, IBO has a lot of shitty animation while Wing has a lot of reused good animation. Also, Endless Waltz looks amazing.

>>13750974
>And the exia is god tier
I think you just have terrible aesthetic opinions.
It's pretty fucking stupid looking in the legs and torso (head and arms are good though).

The giant stupid green circles are not aesthetically pleasing, and similarly the shield is just way too stylized to be acceptable.

>>13753079

It can't be too bad. Heck even the Tallgeese might work if you leave off all the frills.

>>13753115
>>13753079
There was some dude posted on /m/ before with a link to CAD Tallgeese parts he 3d-prints or something. They're fairly pricy, but they turn the MG Tallgeese into a real Leo, complete with machine gun.

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>>13750706

>>13753132
do the custom parts account for the leo's shorter height?

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...But could Setsuna beat my main man Kira "Fucked Your Bitch" "Jesus Christ" Yamato, the best pilot with the strongest machine in gundam?

Didn't think so.

Checkmate, but feel good about yourself, it's what Special K would want.

>>13753108
>Also, Endless Waltz looks amazing
Different production than the TV shows with much better production value and effort.

IBO should be THE Gundam show people would talk about when asked about QUALITY and shit animation.

Well its not like it had much competition
G is uc afterall

>>13754786

Yes. Because Kira can't hit Setsuna when he uses a quantum drive to ACTUALLY ASCEND TO A HIGHER DIMENSION.

Seriously, Kira would do his, "I fire a bajillion beams of lasers at you, lol gundam seed animation reused forty million times, lol" and Setsuna Quantum FUCKING leaps behind him and puts a sword through his cockpit.

Get rekt.

>>13751428
>If only Hallelujah had stayed dead too
I don't mind that they brought him back, but I do mind that after completing his side story that we only got to see Super Soldier Allelujah two times in the entire 00 story