So I'm guessing from all the grousing in prior threads is that Schwarzeneggars is shaping up to be an average, to even alright anime, but a terrible adaptation.
Well even they got that off. He manages to be both more sympathetic while being way worse in the VN (seriously, him contemplating shooting Katia was a huge at establishing who he is and it's just removed in the anime). Here, he's just an unlikable asshole, kinda like everybody so far.
So they'd be more of a generic evil totalitarian organization rather than the very interesting and nuance evil organization they were in RL.
>So they'd be more of a generic evil totalitarian organization rather than the very interesting and nuance evil organization they were in RL.
They weren't THAT evil IRL. They were basically Google fused with Faceboo,k with their only business being providing state security.
>Terrible, atrocious adaptation.
Haven't played the vn, but anime seems alright to me. And there's only been one episode out. How can you already tell that it's "terrible, atrocious"?
I'd say it's actually pretty American.
Yeah, I know. Our NSA even copied some of their interrogation and surveillance tactics. Kinda surreal that I was actually friends with a few of em back when I was a Federal worker..
Most of the introductory scenes for characters that really established who they are were butchered in the anime adaption.
It's rather difficult to recover from first impressions.
Of course, we knew cuts had to be made, but some of the added details and scenes were very unnecessary and show a disrespect for the characters.
On it's own merits, the anime isn't bad though.
VN's better written and acted. Here's Beatrix's introductory scene. You get a lot of well acted lines out of her, Iris, Katia and Gretel here. Now compare them to the anime.
Updated it from the last thread. Used goods = Best grils. You can fight me on that.
I wonder if we'll ever get to see the SAVAK in action in Alternative in some side story given how the Empire of Iran is still active...and the SAVAK were said to be as brutal as the GRU.
Why does Beatrix have such great tastes?
Theo's cuter tho. I'd rather fuck him in the ass than Jurgen.
It's an alright anime... if it came out in the 00s.
As is the animation is kinda resoundingly meh and that's a shame considering I'm down for the character drama that's to ensue in Back to Backstabistan.
Just from initial impressions, I really like the stasi chick. She seems like Esdeath done right. No cutesy shit, just a sadistic nazi bitch who lives to kill. I hope they keep her that way and don't make her fall for the hero or try to make her sympathetic (that ruined Esdeath for me).
It looks better in motion, but yeah, it's not very pretty. At least TE, even with the QUALITY, had a nice color palette.
Only the particularly dumb Beatrixfags really hated it (get over it, she was meant to be hated like the female Dirlewanger she is, not waifued). Everyone else thought it was decent.
He's in the wrong series then.
remember all the frodos and shitposting when TE aired? it's the same thing all over again
You're comparing Beatrix to Dirlewanger?
What the fuck, man. That guy was batshit crazy.
Because it's hot. Gotta encourage baby making after all cause of all the dying going around.
Honestly, the bigger (hah) issue might be all the nipply plugsuits.
>Dirlewanger and his officers used to inject poison into captured Russian women and sit around watching them die. They then cut the women into pieces with horse meat to make soap. During the operations in and around Warsaw a detachment of the Dirlwanger brigade went nuts, throwing pregnant woman off roof tops and bayoneting babies, leaving them hanging from the balcony. The SS had Kaminski killed because he was a shocker as well but they couldn't really touch Dirlwanger because he had friends in high places (namely Himmler). But Dirlwanger was a brave solider, he was wounded many times during World War 1 and fought in Spain in the late 30s. He was wounded several times during his rampage in World War II.
>Dirlewanger was also a child rapist and necrophiliac.
>In one operation, he lead his Sonderkommando Regiment in the slaughter of 120,000 Belarusian civilians across 200 villages.
After everything I've read up and seen concerning Beatrix, that sounds a whole lot like the shit she gets up to with the Werewolves when not restrained by stasi command.
Literary the ultimate Waifu.
>YFW no qt to bayonet pregnant woman with.
Fuck you guys, I'm going to post Beatrix and nothing is going to stop me.
These are the same retarded posts that people made when they were waifufagging esdeath what the fuck
She's no longer the most popular girl over here. I thought we'd be flooded by Beatrixfags because the anime would tone her down, but it seems as though I'm wrong. People absolutely hate her.
She literally tortures babies in front of their mothers as part of her interrogations, then kills them both after she's done with them. This in spite of the fact that the DDR is having serious manpower shortages.
She doesn't even have the excuse that many of the other stasi like
Lisehave. She grew up in a normal enough home, with normal enough parents, and signed up for the stasi willingly. She wasn't mindwashed/raped into it, like she and Axemann do all the time to other children.
Beatrix is just a little worse than Esdeath.
Fuck me; why did they have to give Beatrix one of the best designs I've ever seen on a 2D on top of giving her one of my favorite seiyus too? Ironic, the only girl I was interested in turns out to be a fucking monster with zero character depth. Why do you hate me Kouki, WHY!?
Yeah, I know. They push the boring blue-eyed blonde on us while making the Semen Demon our archenemy. There is absolutely no justice in this world.
suposely, in ML verse, the space program is more advanced than our timeline...
if they can LAND on Mars, why not land on an asteroid, vectorize and aim to Earth, and clash it to THE FUCKING KASHGAR?????????????????????????????
daily reminder that pic related kills BETA.
im waiting for a reliable summary of the full VN and BiS before giving up on her completely, the anime (while im enjoying it) seems like it will only show her as an evil character since they are cutting a lot of the content
>lazors can destroy, or even derail an asteroid
The summaries of SM don't really make her out to be a very good person either. Shit like
trying to have Katia turned over to her so she can torture her, fucking with Theo's head for the evulz, delaying a rescue attempt on NVA units resulting in many more deaths (among them Major Hannibal), manipulating Lise to betray Theo, personally folding Walter's bones, pulling out Pham's teeth and ripping her nails out, doing something so horrible to Sylwia that no one will talk about it, rape, chasing down and massacring thousands of civilians with her TSFmakes her sound as bad as, if not worse, than Axemann.
Of course, if an LNfag can refute these, I'm all ears.
>not realizing this is the alternate universe where West Germany stayed fabulous and the rest of the world followed suit
it feels like she is a different character in BiS from what i have heard, part of the reason i find her interensting is wanting to know what made her change so much
i have heard some people who claim to be LNfags say that some of that is not trueor that axman is the one who did that, one thing that leads be to believe them is the part
where walter gets his bones folded but then he apparently is the one who heavily damages her MIG with the help of sylwia and i doubt that he would be able to pilot a TSF after having his bones folded
I wish I could be an Irisfag, but she doesn't do anything for me. My dick is unresponsive in her presence. She's just so boring and bland in my opinion.
Either the author / character designer of SM set out to purposely troll me by making the deliciousness of the designs proportional to their unwaifuablility, screen-time, and/or shallowness, or they sat down and said, "You know, these girls don't have anything going for them; let's give them the 9/10 - 10/10 designs to equalize things."
> Do the math.
i would ask /sci/ , but im too lazy.
-when they detect it (near atmposphere) it is too late to derail it.
-they not attack satellites, why they would give a fuck to an asteroid?
It seems to be extremely trashy, honestly. You have big boobed pretty girls in skintight latex/rubber suits fighting weird penis aliens and in very guroesque fashions, the main hero is a humorless "Don't touch me" edge-master, there's a token clumsy moe-moe imouto girl, then you have an edgy dominatrix rapist bitch as the main villain who orgasms from torturing babies in front of their mothers doing shit because she's EVIL.
It comes off as a seinen version of AkG with mechs that takes itself way to seriously.
there is a scale of asteroids that you can select.
not too big, not too smal. perfect.
about speed, even with that tecnology, i doubt the can acelerate into high relativitic velocities, m8.
i am not trying to wipe ENTIRELY the BETA in one shot, just destroy Kashgar. one hive at time
So we're judging the entire franchise based on a single episode of a LN spinoff huh? I never read/watched Schwarzbruder or whatever it's called, I just like the original trilogy.
You shouldn't be looking at /m/ generals to get the best impression on a series. Or 4chan in general.
>edgy dominatrix rapist bitch as the main villain who orgasms from torturing babies in front of their mothers doing shit because she's EVIL
Why are people saying this shit about Beatrix?
You know what, fuck it, the anime is probably going to characterize her like this anyways. I'm spiteful enough to hope that Iris get's the same bastardization treatment.
Cause Iris is a dolt.
Cause Colonel Ketchup promised to spill some special sauce on Beato.
Cause he was providing all sorts of awesome information on loyalist forces up until the backstab.
Cause Axmann keeps a very clean, upstanding record because of plausible deniability (not exactly shown too well in the anime).
Putting aside a hell of a lot of other scientific considerations I really don't have time for, how do you guarantee getting the right size when the amount of asteroid that makes it to the ground is decided by how many lasers the BETA happen to aim at it?
BiS is such an asspull. I hate how they've characterized Beatrix to pull in the waifufags. Unless they make some huge retcons, it's going to be very difficult for them to reconcile her with the fucking baby torturer she is in SM.
I don't know though. BiS isn't translated nor complete, so she could turn out to be like pic related.
Also, there were no plans that centered on destroying only Kashgar because they had no idea of the strategic significance of Kashgar compared to other hives until literally hours before Operation Ouka.
>Cause Axmann keeps a very clean, upstanding record because of plausible deniability (not exactly shown too well in the anime).
Isnt that Axeman is well known to be in the Stasi ? I mean regardless of your record or anything, it is the fucking Stasi. Being trustworthy/ non backstabbing isnt something you find common
Yo, so as someone who has no idea what the fuck ML is, apparently the mechs are based on planes, yeah?
What's the difference between the non-swing wings ones, like the MiG-21 and the swing wing ones, like the MiG-23
Axmann is buttbuddies with the guy running everything. Most of the stasi are indoctrinated to be completely fanatical. Pic related, for instances, charges a group of armed soldiers who weren't even going to kill her with nothing but a knife.
Torturing babies to get their mothers to crack, kidnapping and breaking children to impress into your organization, killing pregnant women, and torturing for the lulz is pretty much as evil as you can get.
Name one anime character who is worse.
The old ones have these really fucking crappy single point leg mounts for their butt engines while the swing-wing planes like the F-14 and MiG-23 debut the fancy pants double jointed arms attached to the waist that allow them much more 3D movement so thrust vectoring can rule the skies.
Of course they're kept on a lot of non-swing wing things afterwards but it's something.
If we're talking on a purely "Amount of human suffering caused in others" then this girl takes the cake.
So in ML Swing Wings = Thrust Vectoring?
What does Thrust Vectoring equal, like when the F-22 and later Su's show up?
The jump unit nozzles can actually move like real world thrust vectoring nozzles.
>first operational swing-wing plane
>no TSF version
Why the fuck does Japan not know about this plane? It's never been in Ace Combat either.
You could've at least gotten Iris in on the action.
Can't wait for episode 2 though. The possibility of getting to see Beato's Ass in her sex suit has me all giddy.
Well everything has thrust vectoring because they're giant fucking robots and fly like bricks.
The F-22s and stuff start picking up additional thrusters in their shoulders and waists for instantaneous lateral or reverse thrusting (armpit thrusters also show up on a few), Active Eagle goes as far as replacing its back weapon racks with an extra pair of articulated thrusters.
We wouldn't even have to fight her if this was an eroge. She'd be one of the main heroines.
Ironically, she probably was a main heroine along with Iris at one point (seeing as how they foil/contrast each other perfectly in personality and design like main heroines usually do) back when SM was initially drafted as a Unlimited style romcom about Ossies and West Germans learning how to cooperate and fight BETA together (designs still hilariously reflect this too).
To this day I still think the cockpits are excessively empty and too ahead of their time.
A three panel tv display along with some analog dashboard elements would feel more plausible. Think 1st-2ND gen VTs from Steel Battalion.
>Ossies and West Germans learning how to cooperate and fight BETA together
Why does that sound so much more enticing than what we have now?
Because you're a faggot. Go play Adoration if you want that.
Wanted to add, Beatrix and Jurgen do not look good together as a couple, at least when compared to Theo/Iris or Walter/Sylwia.
What I'm getting at is that they should've aped VT cockpit design.
And maybe by 2000 start phasing in the laser chinstrap virtual HUD tech.
Yknow, just dial the SF trappings down a bit. Yes you have giant robot notplanes and all but plastic wrap pilot suits too? Really? I mean sure, eroge and all, but why not some girls in g-suits during the SM time frame at least?
>back when SM was initially drafted as a Unlimited style romcom about Ossies and West Germans learning how to cooperate and fight BETA together
when was SM ever about that? SM was always going to be grimdark as fuck, i remember someone posted an interview with either the author or kouki where kouki told the author (who has a reputation for writing dark stuff) to write the story to be as dark as he normally does
i vaguely remember TE looking like it was going to have routes but i dont know if that was planned then scrapped due to all the issues it had
Good thing the anime doesn't follow the VN or even the LNs it's based off of then.
Or Beatrix would have more dimensions than Esdeath and be more tragic in her own way than Esdeath.
>– And then, how did you get into Schwarzesmarken?
>Uchida: At the time, I knew someone in the Age staff, and that person told Yoshimune-san (Kouki Yoshimune, CEO of ACID, creator of Muv-Luv, Muv-Luv Alternative, and Total Eclipse) that he knew a guy who knew a lot about military history, like the Eastern Front of WWII, and gave him my name.
>Then, when Enterbrain-san released Age-san’s “Muv-Luv Alternative Integral Works”, I wrote a short story about a mechanic for it, and that’s how I got started.
>About a year after that, I brought them a proposal for a story about Germany in the Alternative world.
>That proposal was set at a joint West Germany/East Germany pilot training academy, and they would get into a lot of youthful hijinks, and then the BETA would start the European invasion – it was a pretty light-hearted proposal.
>But then, Yoshimune-san told me “Nah, this isn’t your kind of story. You like more gritty, bloody stories. You don’t have to lie to me.” (laughs)
>And then it turned out that Yoshimune-san actually already had a story set in Germany bouncing around in his head. “You want to write this instead?” “Sure!” That’s about how things turned out (laughs).
>After everything I've read up and seen concerning Beatrix, that sounds a whole lot like the shit she gets up to with the Werewolves when not restrained by stasi command.
But that's wrong.
That would be Axemann. Except instead of killing girls and children, he has them all raped repeatedly, then forced to kill innocents, babies included. Then he also takes his men to go hunting, gunning down those he's not interested in and capturing those he's going to torture.
But with the anime airing, it's going to be a moot point, since they reduced everyone down to 1-dimensional characters. So I guess anime Beatrix would fit. But LN and VN Beatrix would not.
guess i remembered it wrong, i think that woiuldn't have been that interesting since it would be to similar to unlimited atleast with SM as it is now it offers a pretty interesting story within the muv luv universe from a different perspective than most of the other content
Because Beatrix's desire to unite Germany and push back the BETA involves sacrificing "a few" for the many, and requires she does so with ruthlessness. Just like Yuuko. Only Beatrix has to climb the Stasi ladder, and has to be extremely ruthless to avoid becoming a cumdumpster and slave to Axemann, as she's not brilliant like Yuuko or lucky to have a Bratty Savior to help her.
People also don't like the fact she's working from within, rather than from the outside. And there's also the fact almost no one has read the LN (much less the prequel LN) which better sets up both Beatrix and Irisdina.
So Beatrix ends up coming off as a heartless bitch, Iris as a selfish bitch, and Katia as a useless moeblob. Ironically, anime Theo is less of a dick than his LN and VN self, where he's a straight-up douchebag who deserves to be shot rather early on.
I think it's mostly the anime confirming everything the shitters were saying about her. Most people abandoned ship after the execution scene.
Before anyone says that people shouldn't judge a character from a three minute scene, first impressions are extremely important in media. You show a character doing something like stealing candy from a baby in his very first scene and it's very difficult to write him as anything but a douchebag, just like the little smirk Beatrix does as she's splashed with men's, women's, and children's blood will set the tone for her being a bloodthirsty sociopath.
>All those people actually buying the Beatrix tortured babies, killed pregnant womens and so on bullshit
Yeah, I will just go to bed and make as if I never saw this thread.
>Also, there were no plans that centered on destroying only Kashgar because they had no idea of the strategic significance of Kashgar compared to other hives until literally hours before Operation Ouka.
even without aiming for Kashgar, any hive or big army could be destroyed, and there is difficult to make a good counter-measure.
>inb4 lazors again
lazors lost their efficiency over a lot of factors: distance, materials to get trough (air, dust, etc.).
i know, frodoposting now is rampant and shit, but you aren´t contributing anything with that post, m8
People bought that she raped Pham and Sylwia and tried to rape Katia/Iris too. For whatever reason, this shit sticks to Beatrix more easily than the Christian-talibani shit for Iris.
I tried making a Shiranui in Armored Core 3 since TSF Forefront never...
Admit you are watching this for the crazy dark haired bitch at the end who is like Esdeath.
Crappy generic characters
Shitty cgi enemies
MC is a cornball
Animation and visuals are ehh
Disappointing and I can bet my left ass cheek by episode 6, a large portion of anons on here will drop this crap.
I'm only watching it because it's ML.
I expect it to be dogshit by episode 6ish too. SM holds little interest to me, to be entirely honest, other than my desire to drink Katia's piss.
I will probably drop it around episode 6 and consign it that same space I put bad adaptions like Turkeyhandle in. I'll probably still tune in at the end of March to see Yukarin moan, gasp, and scream as Beatrix takes Theo inside her, so I guess you're partially right about the Esdeath thing.
>an extremely short VN and an almost entirely untranslated LN are miles better than an anime whose only apparent crimes are making Theo less relentlessly paranoid and not shoving BiS Beato in everyone's faces and we're one episode in
>She has twenty minutes to live
That's not really something you can tell from just looking at person.
Yeah, sure, you can tell if they're alive or not by looking, but how the fuck did they know she had twenty minutes? That seems more than savable given post-WWII medicine.
I'm not sure why all this lazy waifu shitposting is necessary on multiple boards. Fucking crossy losers.
Because fuck you we only have time for one line of dialogue to justify this.
>not shoving BiS Beato in everyone's faces and we're one episode in
I can't buy that anime Beatrix was ever anything but a sociopathic sadist. Anime Beato and anime Jurg never fell in love because anime Beato was vivisecting small animals or being a huge bitch/bully to Irisdina.
Beatrix is extremely evil in the VN, but you still get a feel that she could've, might've, at one point been a better person.
You don't get that at all from the anime, and as others have said, first impressions are everything.
To wait long enough that I am not exceeding a 9000:1 posting time to filmed time ratio in discussing a character I don't give two shits about either way in this anime besides how often I hear their voice.
>introductions aren't important in establishing characters guys
All the animefags thinks she's a more evil version of Esdeath now.
Why people put up with living in a shit hole in real life? They can't do anything to not make it a shit hole. Go on, try to change something, Stasi will laugh in your face, before shooting you in the head.
Okay, here's a fucking question - why in the goddamn world would an adaptation of Schwarzesmarken shove in details from a sidestory?
Beatrix was a murderous, sadistic cunt in the original story and she's a murderous, sadistic cunt in this. Sometimes I wish BiS never even existed, if only to stop people like you from forcing shit.
Axmann is more like Roose. He wasn't the one doing the execution with sadistic glee, or the one nearly jumping up and down with eagerness to let the slaughter begin.
Oh yeah, she shows some form of concern for her probably equally guilty squadmates once, and wants to let thousands of people serve as meat shields to 'save' an almost completely infested Europe.
I'm sorry, I forgot how noble she was when she wasn't folding bones and torturing people and being entirely complicit in Lise's predicament and gunning down refugees.
She's a ruthless cunt. Probably did Jurgen in herself honestly.
>when she wasn't folding bones and torturing people and being entirely complicit in Lise's predicament and gunning down refugees.
Thanks, you proved you don't know what you are talking about and thus are not worth my attention.
>Keep luring people with lies as you please.
Funny talk, coming from a Beatofag.
Are you going to actually say something of substance to serve as a counter to what I posted, and to indeed prove that what I posted is flawed if you're so certain, or are you just gonna put your hands over your ears?
We can't all read moonrunes, buddy.
The funny thing is, I think the execution scene was them trying to adapt Cage of the Stasi (the final line the dude Beato shot is kinda similar to the the defector's leader's final line), except doing it terribly. Cage of the Stasi humanizes both sides, the defectors and the Werewolves, and it's harder to justify who was in the right as the defectors took TSFs with them that East Germany is really short on, and they fired on Beatrix first (also, Axmann wasn't there).
Hey, Beatrix has trigger discipline. That automatically makes her best girl in my book.
So, from what I see, this thing is not really "grimdark because of aliens chomping Eurasia", but rather "grimdark because of the Stasi being fucking evil assholes who can betray and murder anyone with impunity", leaving the BETA and TSF action in a kind of second priority.
If you insist.
>wasn't folding bones
She didn't. Walther never actually talk about it, nor is seen by anybody in the squad as having a hand badly injured. The only times we hear about that are mainly from the mouth of Beatrix, probably trolling/irritating people as always because...
...Intimidation is her best card, not torture. Besides, torture is a basic thing in the Stasi, and the prisonners are not Beatrix ones, but Stasi ones. If she can't get informations by intimidation, then by Stasi " workflow ", they go into further interrogation by other specialised people. I will leave some doubt here because I don't remember about someone she sent into torture herself, but maybe she did so I will give you that. But she never tortured people herself nor was in charge of a torture interrogation team.
>being complicit in Lise's predicament
As is any Stasi soldier. She didn't participate to anything related to Lise " training ", and actually got her out of Axmann reach.
>gunning down refugees
As would have done any Stasi soldier with a mission if asked to. Actually, she never downed any civilian by herself, except when she did out of desperation at the Wall. She tried to avoid it as much as possible, even in mission.
That's about it, I think. Don't feel free to pull other lies just so I can answer to them, because I won't.
>...Intimidation is her best card, not torture. Besides, torture is a basic thing in the Stasi, and the prisonners are not Beatrix ones, but Stasi ones. If she can't get informations by intimidation, then by Stasi " workflow ", they go into further interrogation by other specialised people. I will leave some doubt here because I don't remember about someone she sent into torture herself, but maybe she did so I will give you that. But she never tortured people herself nor was in charge of a torture interrogation team.
>In summary, if she didn't get what she wanted through intimidation, she just fucks them up physically anyway
>As is any Stasi soldier
>As would have done any Stasi soldier
>Basically my entire argument is Beato didn't do those things because the Stasi would do them as a matter of course anyway.
What a brilliant case made. SM Stasi, murderers, whores and batshit crazy lunatics.
Well, it's kinda like this:
The Stasi are responsible for a lot of the dissent shit. Due to their mishandling of the Strachwitz situation, they turned a bunch of grumbling but feckless dissent into an underground revolution. Shit sucks, but now they gotta deal with it. They're literally in crises mode because of the aliums, and anything which saps from the war effort is effectively killing them, so they come down hard on rebels. You also have low morale and desertion, which produces a domino effect when one guy decides to make a break for it. What's worse, they usually take military supplies all the way up to TSFs with them (remember, they're so short on supplies that they have to resort to bayonets at times). So they gotta put something scarier than the BETA behind their people to keep them in the fight.
Course, while fear is the building block of all authority/loyalty, a state can't survive purely off of it. It should only constitute a minor portion of the overall governance system in a healthy society (the implied big stick hidden behind the carrot basically). You need other factors to balance out the resent it breeds in your subject. Unfortunately, the DDR doesn't really have the means to do that and fear is a very easy tool to use and abuse.
To me, it's kinda like a hurricane is coming, but you have this shitty house you neglected as your only shelter. The beams are rotten, the windows are broken, and the door doesn't shut. You have one of two options, shore things up, fix what you can, hope for the best and maybe renovate the house when things are better (Beatrix), or tear down the flimsy house and try to build it better (Iris).
"In a war against an enemy that cannot be negotiated with, the greatest threats to humanity come from within."
I swear science fiction is just naturally suited to ridicule socialism.
Did any other images get doctored in the transition from LN illustration to VN CG?
>...Intimidation is her best card, not torture. Besides, torture is a basic thing in the Stasi, and the prisonners are not Beatrix ones, but Stasi ones. If she can't get informations by intimidation, then by Stasi " workflow ", they go into further interrogation by other specialised people. I will leave some doubt here because I don't remember about someone she sent into torture herself, but maybe she did so I will give you that. But she never tortured people herself nor was in charge of a torture interrogation team.
Lisepersonally tortured Pham (Beato didn't feel like it), so I think Beato would/has participated in torture.
lmao what the hell am I watching
Rip you right in half and suck your intestines out of you.
It's basically what you're saying, though, isn't it?
Beatrix is blameless and none of her actions are questionable because any other Stasi soldier would have done what she did if ordered to.
And Beatrix executes people, too, as an aside - what makes you think she wouldn't stoop to torture? Too saintly for that?
No, read the entire response and you will see a more Beatrix focused line.
The " As any soldier " thing is just here to state that yes, any soldier in the Stasi would do it, but that's not the main point.
More or less yes, I'm looking forward to more people getting into the LN.
As for the " Beatrix executes people " one, well, no, she really doesn't, not for the lulz like the recurring " point " some people want to pull in as a fact at least. So far she executed only deserters ( Which was pretty regular in any army of that time, even more when in a global scale war ) and the civilians at the Wall in a desperate move. As for the Moonlight Night, there yeah, the main argument would be that any Stasi would have done it ( But remember they were traitors at the eyes of basically all of the Stasi. Probably only the Head Command knew it was not entirely the case and highly based on suspicions/unsufficient results )
And what makes me think she wouldn't torture people is that she isn't described as doing so herself in the LN. Maybe she would, but as long as it is not written, then it's just pure speculation ( Same thing goes for whether or not she orders to send anyone into torture, but again I can't categorically refute this as I don't remember enough about that ).
My entire point is not to excuse her actions by saying she is good, even if she indeed have a noble goal. If you give the slightiest fuck about morale, you can pretty much only see her as evil. But she's not crazy, she doesn't enjoy killing just for fun, and can just be seen as as bad as you would expect a Stasi member to be ( And definitely not at the level of Schmidt or Axemann ), just that she does what's to be done and doesn't give a shit about the morality of her actions. The end justify the means, and if you are agree or not with this is entirely up to your appreciation. But she is not a crazy monster, as I see a lot of misinformed people spreading the word everywhere. In the LN, that is.
Where are my German Freedom Fries?
I was promised Bundeswehr Freedom Fries.
>More or less yes, I'm looking forward to more people getting into the LN.
Probably not. A lot of people, especially outside of 4chan, don't even know that there's an LN or VN. People will remember SM as an edgefest with two dimensional characters and cartoonishly evil fapbait.
So finally, a balanced review from a VNFag:
>Animations is good. The OST (except the ED) is the same OST used in the VN which I don't blame them, it's really good. The pacing is a little too fast for my taste but since its an anime, that was bound to happen. I feel that Theodor comes more off an ass here than in the VN because again lack of characterization due to time constrains. Same with Irisdina. The conversation they had in Poland after "that happened."
>The death of Inghild or Ingrid or Inghilde was more powerfully done in the VN. In the anime it was just like 4 sentences before saving Katia.
>In the VN, the back and forward between Theodor and Irisdina had tension and suspense. It wasn't just Theodor wagging the finger to her and calling her an informant. There was legitimate fear from Theo (Yeah I get to call him that) . In the VN, He thinks the reason why Irisdina called him alone on a mission is because she is going to execute him or torture him. In the anime it's not obvious that Theo fears the STASI, too me it feels that he is just pissed at them for what they did to his family, not fearful.
Even if it's only 2 people here, it will always be 2 more people.
I don't care much about the SM community in general. Even with the original trilogy fully translated, there is always people misunderstanding a lot of things, so I guess people born dumb stay dumb forever ( Well, with SM it will be the fault of the anime too. I just hope the VN will be more like the LN ( Which is so far ) and that most of ML community will play the VN ).
>Again, time constraints. Also they better start explaining the role of a political commissar real soon otherwise people will start to say "How come a lieutenant can talk back to a captain?" and get confused. But there was one legitimate thing I didn't like. Again, all things I said right now are all because they have a limited time slot in an anime-cour. But that last scene with Beatrix just came out of nowhere and to me it cheapens her as a villain. In the novel she is background character in the beginning and only comes into motion after "things happen". It's subtle, may I say sexy in how evil she is. It perfectly represents the STASI. A looming fear in the background that in any given notice will transform and jump back at you. I see why her squadron name is the Werewolves now. Thanks literary analysis! In the anime we immediately antagonize her BEFORE her character is introduced. That is the key difference. We hate her before we even hear her utter a sentence.
>So to me is kind of like that you know. That is how you show how godawful the Stasi is. Make the fear and paranoia an ever present reality of the world but show it when its due, otherwise they appear only as the "the bad guys" instead of a sick ideological system that works from top to bottom, from official to soldier to civilian. And that is my impression of the first episode.
So basically what all us VN and LN fags are saying.
I think we all agree that the episode is not bad as an anime, but as an adaptation it's not that great. It's only a matter of details, but they change our vision of it in tremendeous ways.
No, he actually liked the anime in the end, but he's kinda mixed about it. I don't like the anime.
I'm hoping for more reviews from the guys who know the source material though. When I find a positive analyses, I'll be sure to post it.
Yeah, he doesn't dispute how evil Beatrix is. He actually compares her to Ingsoc and O'Brian later on and calls her "worse of the worse. A demon that remains [in] power for powers sake."
I am wondering how East germany even survived? On one side you have aliens, on the other people that hate you cause you have evil asshole running the state.
How does Russian even supply shit to the east?
hell it laughible with the anime-original scene with axeman said West+East Germany under stasi rule
It kinda hard to build up the stasi as a looming fear in 6 hours/12 eps. So it makes sense they when for the easier generic villains.
>"Sooner or later, you will know…"
[pained, labored panting]
>"...the limitation of your dreams. Only under stasi dominion…only ideals like mine will bring hope to humanity."
Why doesn't Theo just sign up to join the Stasi, then he can be the one watching people instead of being watched.
Iris never even loved him.
Yuuya had his moments.
He had some pretty good points that were only shot down because "LOL, SHUT UP AMERICAN, NIPPON BANZAI, JAPAN NUMBER 1"
God, they really did ruin her design for the anime.
They changed it JUST enough so that it's not the perfection that the LN and VN design is.
Katia and Iris were both butchered. Iris in particular is just really boring looking now.
Gretel and Beatrix are the only one's who still look kinda good (still don't hold a candle to the LNs though).
She was too brainwashed to remember what that is.
Just got done watching the first episode.
I'm going to watch all of Schwarz, because I love me some ML, but I have to say that I was disappointed.
TE's first episode got me really excited for the series. Even though on the whole the series is bad, I really think those first two episodes are something special and stand on their own.
This episode 1 felt like a goddamn episode 5 or something. QUALITY everywhere and they're asking me to emotionally care about characters I just met. Feels like the series has started out of order.
I hope they're just holding out the budget for later episodes...
>THIS ANIME A SHIT BECAUSE IT'S NOT A LIGHT NOVEL AND I MUST INFORM EVERYONE ABOUT THIS ABOUT EVERY LN ADAPTION THAT AIRS EVERY SEASON
I liked ML threads better when nobody could be fucked to
pretend toread the LN so they could be a dick waving elitist about it.
It looked good if this was like, ep.5. The fact this was ep.1 and it looked so fucking average is concerning.
Some anons have read it,
probably. Everything I've seen from the purported VN/LN fags here and on Futaba seems to indicate that it's a pretty bad adaption so far, even if it might be a good anime.
so Theo's MiG-21 is out and it doesn't seem to even come with waterslides or anything to do the (useless) camo pattern
lower left corner is how the model will look out of the box, the only waterslides are the 666 markings
Bad adaption doesn't mean "changed shit". You can't call it a bad adaption after one fucking episode because you have to look at the overall picture unless you are a huge fucking waifushit autist that is triggered by a character having a slightly different facial expression than they think they should in one fucking scene.
TE changed fucking everything everywhere forever and we didn't need a week of crying about the original prologue being removed.
It's probably going to suck butt because of the episode count, budget, studio, some fairly shit voice acting in the first episode, and other factors, but it's much better to criticize it for that than just shitting on it for every single LN scene it removed.
It's not even a good anime.
I legitimately enjoyed post-flashback arc TE more.
Even with the horrid QUALITY.
There was visual spectacle, even if the Lasers weren't story accurate.
This guy explains why it's not a very good adaption.
People seriously don't want a 1:1 adaption, but it is kinda obvious that the characters feel off. That's not good in something as character driven as SM. They could've totally swapped around events or rewritten scenes, but just so long as the characters feel like themselves, people wouldn't complain too much. Most people aren't ready to write off the series yet, but there are definitely some big warning signs flashing for many. People on 4chan are usually very pessimistic about everything, so of course there is a lot of whining. Sad thing is, usually they turn out to be right.
the (few) guys complaining are those that actually bought and read the LN and VN, which have to be like 5 at best, because I'm sure as hell 99% of the people here will never do so
Well, that's fine. I don't, because I can actually separate the anime from the LN unlike many autist. I can see where some would get upset when they see people using the anime to take shits on characters they like. For me, the anime cast isn't the same thing as the LN cast. For instances, I like LN Iris, but not anime Iris, while I like both the LN's tragic Beato and the anime's psycho Beato. People can choose the material they want to follow on there own. Just down try to say that what is true for the anime is true for the LN.
It's like "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep" vs Bladerunner. I consider both to be separate and like both on there own merits. I'm not going to use the movie to criticize the book or visa versa.
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>the (few) guys complaining are those that actually bought and read the LN and VN
>Literally What is an adaptation
Of course only the VN and LN readers could complain about an adaptation, Sherlock. If you don't know the source material, you can't complain about what it looks like in another form.
That's why we say it can be a good or not so terrible anime, but it's already a bad adaptation.
>I am wondering how East germany even survived? On one side you have aliens, on the other people that hate you cause you have evil asshole running the state.
>hell it laughible with the anime-original scene with axeman said West+East Germany under stasi rule
did the DDR's system survive the fall of Germany to the BETA? From what we know from the main Unlimited/Alternative stories, German forces are fully integrated to the European effort, although both sides have separate commands and operate different TSF models. The exiled East Germans do not seem to be under the yoke of the Stasi's Chekist rule, from what it can be deduced. Thus, the reformers won, whether out of actual reform within the DDR or under the dire conditions Germany was in after Operation Neptune
So what's y'all wishlist for upcoming WF?
Mine is full SM TSF lineup in 1/144.
>he can't even paint camo
Gaia decals are not as easy to work with as they make them out to be.
Figures for Beatrix and Irisdina.
It's a geographical issue. With the direction the BETA invaded from they're inevitably separated from the USSR as they're pushed into the west and don't have much choice in the matter. Pretty much the same deal as China.
As always, I would kill for figmas, but it's probably too soon for prototypes. Maybe announcements.
It's actually pretty much planned that SM will get Figmas and Nendos, as GSC have already partenered with them multiple times ( Latest being with the KS ). I think they will most probably make Iris and Beatrix at least.
So the adaptation is probably going to be bad. I'll watch a few more episodes, but I'll probably drop it.
Is the VN good? It does not sound very appealing to me. It hardly even sounds like Muv-Luv. Alternative got dark at times, but it was always humanistic. Characters had their flaws, but they cared about each other and tried to improve. I can't think of a single truly evil character in Alternative. That's what I loved about it. It got dark, but was always fundamentally positive. It was a tale of love and courage through and through. From what I've heard of SM, it sounds like it's not humanistic at all. It sounds like it's about hatred and cruelty, not love and courage. It sounds like it copied the gore and rape from Alternative but left behind the love and friendship.
Is that an accurate impression? Is SM more grimdark than humanistic? If it is humanistic I'll probably give it a read, but I'm getting awfully tired of grimdark.
BiS is more hopeful and humanistic just from the first chapter (though we don't know how long that'll last). SM is not.
>Is SM more grimdark than humanistic? If it is humanistic I'll probably give it a read, but I'm getting awfully tired of grimdark.
The major point that separates Alternative from Schwarzesmarken is that the grimdark in the former happened (mostly) thanks to the BETA. The latter has its characters killed at the hands of the Stasi's evil machinations.
Somebody makes a point and gets treated like that. Shameful...
>and the DDR falls as a result of all the infighting.
I don't think Europe could've resisted for much longer against the BETA, even if the DDR didn't have the Stasi fucking things up for everyone.
Also, Schwarzesmarken wasn't made by Cookie. The original novel was written by some fellow named Hiroki Uchida. I think the only reasons anyone gave a damn about this crap in the first place (regardless of how utterly different is from Alternative) were:
a) Franchise fidelity. One million dollarydoos prove how committed the fans of this thing are.
>Yeah, of the main cast, not a single character, both on the 666 or the stasi, dies at the hands of the BETA.
Inghild did, although I don't know if she counts as "main cast" or even as a BETA kill, since Annett was sort-of responsible for protecting her.
I'll let somebody else elaborate, but pretty much every main character, protagonist, antagonist, etc (Theo, Irisdina, Beatrix, Axmann) are paranoid,ruthless, broken, or evil. Characters with love didn't have the courage to confess to things that happened to them (unlike what S00mika did in Alternative and confessed to everything that happened to her) and had their love poisoned and twisted by one or more of the main characters.
I'm not exactly sure S00mika was brave. She was trying to push Takeru away, not get him to accept her. She was guilty than brave.
But that scene was about the importance of honesty and love, both of which are sadly absent in SM.
I will cut it out when people stop reposting shit and saying retarded things.
Schwaken is Yoshinune's concept and supervised by him and besides that Yoshimune hasn't written anything worth a damn in a decade. (or more than parts of two things worth a damn to start with) Schwarzesmarken not being a sequel to Alternative (which you know, maybe the fact it doesn't have Muv-Luv in its name and takes place as far away as possible geographically and chronologically might have been a hint about) does not mean people can't be interested in it. There are a lot of things in the Alternative universe and Schwaken didn't get a multimedia push over the others by just riding on being part of the franchise.
Don't try to make this some Tomino MUH REAL GENDEM thing like a fuckhead.
That chart is missing PTSD Kurogane.
>Low Rank Takemi
>Murders newer 3rd Gen Typhoons and BETA as if they're nothing
>With only 2 swords
I think even Ikaruga knew Takeru could beat him if they fought.
I'd say that her increasingly growing smile as Axmann toys with his victims and how ready she was for the bloodbath to commence are louder than any words. It's a very effectively directed scene, probably the best in the episode. Unfortunately, it's not exactly in tune with the LN.
Takeru is a TSF god in every incarnation.
Which is one reason the ending was so disappointing. He's the best TSF pilot in the whole damn multiverse and he's stuck in this crippled barge rather than slaughtering BATERS in a Takemikazuchi.
I really wish Age would move on. They have some very skilled people. The Muv-Luv trilogy was fantastic and some of their other games were also great. But they've spent the last ten years milking Muv-Luv rather than doing anything interesting. They've sold out.
The story's over. I love Muv-Luv, but it's time to let it die.
Unfortunately their (arguably) best writer, Matsunaga Hokuto (KimiNozo scenario writer and potentially the specific writer of the
PTSD arc) is gone. Wonder where the guy went, Alternative is his last staff credit going by VNDB.
KimiNozo VN (which by the ML team's hints on the forum will likely receive the Kickstarter windfall) arguably, but that's not /m/ unfortunately.
Chizuru's route in Extrais written by him, but many are turned off by her character anyway. I liked her and her route though.
I like Chizuru too but she kinda sucked in Extra. She was much better in Alternative and Unlimited.
That's weird. I can't find anything about him.
The PTSD arc was the best part by far, though. The rest was (with few exceptions) great, but the PTSD part was unlike anything I've ever read. It's stuck with me for years.
What exactly does "PTSD arc" refer to? From just before the CHOMP to just after Takeru goes back to the BETAverse?
I liked her much better after Alternative. She annoyed me in Extra, but after I read Alternative I understood her better and enjoyed her route.
It was pretty pivotal scene showing who Theo was, as much as the hand holding scene with Iris, and it lasted only a few minutes in the VN (which is pretty minor for a 15-20 h VN). It wouldn't of been that hard to put into the anime. Guess they were afraid of making him too unsympathetic though.
>shit why the fuck do I even know this voice
Same here, even with his pen name 反重力 生命 マー. Maybe you'll have better luck than me though.
>What exactly does "PTSD arc" refer to? From just before the CHOMP to just after Takeru goes back to the BETAverse?
Something like that, though personally I would extend it back to just before the BETA gatecrash the party.
>We'll have great news to share by the end of the month. Please stay tuned for more Luv! :)
>bigger than Schwarzesmarken
WHAT IS IT?
Also there's news for anyone who backed at a tier that would have something signed, real signatures but on a little plastic label that you can put anywhere, and all the collectors boxes will come with a signature on some glossy paper.
Here's something from /a/ for you faggots. Apparently Iris doesn't keep it trimmed "down there"
wonder what Beato's hooch looks like.
Fuck man... I don't even need to fucking open this image, just looking at the thumbnail is bring up memories.
FUCK WHY WASN'T I ALLOWED TO FUCKING SAVE THEM
Not surprising considering:
1. She's a dirty European
2. It's pre-2000 (Even in the west shaving down there was a porn star thing, women only needed to shave your armpits and legs)
In the Kennedy Hive battle, when everyone was getting gangraped, Takeru was killing BETA left, right and center, while his COs were acting like orcs from ROTK "Oi me wants the shoiny rocks."
Fuck, that shits hanging like a goatee x|
As for Beatrix:
Axmann: my orkanization, yoa faza vas a commanda you aa chust my subordinate
Beatrix: Alhight zen, Reek you caya to gife me a little shafe
Lise: (gets shaving supplies)
>The Muv-Luv trilogy was fantastic and some of their other games were also great. But they've spent the last ten years milking Muv-Luv rather than doing anything interesting. They've sold out.
>The story's over. I love Muv-Luv, but it's time to let it die.
It has become age's cash cow. There's too much money at stake to just "move on with other projects".
It's the exact same thing that happens at Marvel Comics: they're releasing Civil War 2, yet another Super Duper Event Series, even though they aren't even finished with the previous one yet. Ditto with Hollywood studios and their blockbusting sagas. Milking IPs is the only way they have to make money. The losses by NOT making event movies/comics are just too big.
What I would really like to see is age going beyond the cheap grimdark porn (like they're doing with The Day After and Schwarzesmarken) and give us more stories set in the months and years after Alternative's final victory in Operation Ouka.
>People will remember SM as an edgefest with two dimensional characters and cartoonishly evil fapbait.
>Not too far from the truth in all fairness.
You could say the same about the trilogy, minus any fappable evil. Unless penis aliens who don't recognize carbon-based life as lifeforms count as evil.
I wish they'd use the model of taking the easy profits they make from low-effort Muv-Luv stuff and plowing it back into establishing new and diverse IPs, to create new sources of revenue before Muv-Luv dries up.
Too bad it's a shoop.
Just opened in Photoshop, zoomed in and you can clearly see the area have been smudged.
What an amateur work, the artifacts are really not that hard to reproduce and would give him a way more believable look ( Could always be uncertified, but it would be much harder than just closely looking at it ).