Muv-Luv Schwarzesmarken

>hawk
>sword and shield
>eye of providence
>fasces
why is the Muv-Stasi logo so fascist

>>13745332
Terrible, atrocious adaptation.

Only thing accurate is Theo being a piece of shit.

>>13745353
âge aren't exactly known for doing their research when it comes to foreign things that aren't planes.

>>13745353
Fascism is good

>>13745361
Well even they got that off. He manages to be both more sympathetic while being way worse in the VN (seriously, him contemplating shooting Katia was a huge at establishing who he is and it's just removed in the anime). Here, he's just an unlikable asshole, kinda like everybody so far.

>>13745353
So they'd be more of a generic evil totalitarian organization rather than the very interesting and nuance evil organization they were in RL.

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>>13745361
>Theo
wait a fucking minute...

>>13745353
Schmidt's an imbecile and wanted to turn East Germany into his own private fiefdom. The fascist symbolism was probably part of that.

>>13745372
>So they'd be more of a generic evil totalitarian organization rather than the very interesting and nuance evil organization they were in RL.

They weren't THAT evil IRL. They were basically Google fused with Faceboo,k with their only business being providing state security.

>>13745361
>Terrible, atrocious adaptation.
Explain.
Haven't played the vn, but anime seems alright to me. And there's only been one episode out. How can you already tell that it's "terrible, atrocious"?

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>>13745353
>>13745367
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>>13745394
I'd say it's actually pretty American.

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>>13745407

>>13745398
>>13745407
Yeah, I know. Our NSA even copied some of their interrogation and surveillance tactics. Kinda surreal that I was actually friends with a few of em back when I was a Federal worker..

>>13745404
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/EstablishingCharacterMoment

Most of the introductory scenes for characters that really established who they are were butchered in the anime adaption.

It's rather difficult to recover from first impressions.

Of course, we knew cuts had to be made, but some of the added details and scenes were very unnecessary and show a disrespect for the characters.

On it's own merits, the anime isn't bad though.

>west germans with funny moustaches
how old was ralerstein in 83?

>>13745407
the founding fathers and mussolini were both copying roman imagery

>>13745431
Word to the wise: don't use TVTropes

>>13745404
VN's better written and acted. Here's Beatrix's introductory scene. You get a lot of well acted lines out of her, Iris, Katia and Gretel here. Now compare them to the anime.

twitch.
tv
/planetwarrior
/b/684605041?t=3m49s

>>13745445
It's an autistic and terrible site nowadays, but that particular entry succinctly explains what I'm trying to describe.

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Updated it from the last thread. Used goods = Best grils. You can fight me on that.

>>13744325
that was in real life. it doesn't make much sense for the west to have rebuilt berlin if it had been nuked, especially when everything had to be airlifted in.

>>13745353
>>13745368
I wonder if we'll ever get to see the SAVAK in action in Alternative in some side story given how the Empire of Iran is still active...and the SAVAK were said to be as brutal as the GRU.

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>>13745456
>>13745332
Why does Beatrix have such great tastes?

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>>13745492
Theo's cuter tho. I'd rather fuck him in the ass than Jurgen.

>>13745498
Oh, look, apocaliptic military war drama.

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>>13745504

Ya.

>>13745504
It's definitely apocalyptic for Katia all right

>>13745498
Look how he's trying to get away from them titties.

>>13745463
>especially when everything had to be airlifted in
You know the Berlin Airlift was temporary right

>>13745407
>>13745412
ILLUMINATI CONFIRMED

>>13745448
>VN's better written and acted.

They both use the exact same basis for the majority of their material, I trust you realize that.

The VAs are also all exactly the same.

Will Top Gun kill the Master?

>>13745332
Except for the Japanese, all the VN readers off site seem to like the anime, so it's probably just /m/ bitching for the sake of bitching.

>>13745332
It's an alright anime... if it came out in the 00s.

As is the animation is kinda resoundingly meh and that's a shame considering I'm down for the character drama that's to ensue in Back to Backstabistan.

>>13745582
>Except for the Japanese, all the VN readers off site seem to like the anime
And who besides the Japanese offsite have played Schwarzesmarken?

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fuck the haters
I'm loving it

>>13745604
Just from initial impressions, I really like the stasi chick. She seems like Esdeath done right. No cutesy shit, just a sadistic nazi bitch who lives to kill. I hope they keep her that way and don't make her fall for the hero or try to make her sympathetic (that ruined Esdeath for me).

>>13745604
>that ugly and incredibly generic animation style

>>13745643
It's a good thing for you then that the anime is likely to completely ignore the prequel story (despite being a goldmine for Iris-Beato drama)

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>>13745654
It looks better in motion, but yeah, it's not very pretty. At least TE, even with the QUALITY, had a nice color palette.

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>>13745604
Who's ready for penetration on March 27th?

>>13745558
you are not pretending, right?

How do Japan not have enough money for Takemikazuchis? It's a war economy, just borrow more money or sell war bonds or something.

>>13745332
Only the particularly dumb Beatrixfags really hated it (get over it, she was meant to be hated like the female Dirlewanger she is, not waifued). Everyone else thought it was decent.

>>13745714

No, because they are both based on the same LN?

>>13745751
Nope. Between the cuts and the after-credits scene, no it is not.

>>13745680
>that brassier
Yuimouto!

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>>13745516

He's in the wrong series then.

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>>13745604
this
remember all the frodos and shitposting when TE aired? it's the same thing all over again

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>>13745860
I want to pinch those nipples!

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>>13745873

I dont know anything about muv luv but why does everyone have long ass hair if they're in the military?

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>>13745733
You're comparing Beatrix to Dirlewanger?

What the fuck, man. That guy was batshit crazy.

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>>13745915
Because it's hot. Gotta encourage baby making after all cause of all the dying going around.

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>>13745915
don't fucking start here

>>13745915
Realism was never demanded.

>>13745924
Start what?
>>13745923
if you say so.

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>>13745915
Honestly, the bigger (hah) issue might be all the nipply plugsuits.

>>13745929
>Start what?
frodoposting
if you do so, go back to /a/

>>13745865
At least TE had a nice art style, the visuals and animation look ass for a show with the same budget and only a 1 single cour

>>13745950
I had no intention to meme post faggot I just asked a question.

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>>13745916

>Dirlewanger and his officers used to inject poison into captured Russian women and sit around watching them die. They then cut the women into pieces with horse meat to make soap. During the operations in and around Warsaw a detachment of the Dirlwanger brigade went nuts, throwing pregnant woman off roof tops and bayoneting babies, leaving them hanging from the balcony. The SS had Kaminski killed because he was a shocker as well but they couldn't really touch Dirlwanger because he had friends in high places (namely Himmler). But Dirlwanger was a brave solider, he was wounded many times during World War 1 and fought in Spain in the late 30s. He was wounded several times during his rampage in World War II.

>Dirlewanger was also a child rapist and necrophiliac.

>In one operation, he lead his Sonderkommando Regiment in the slaughter of 120,000 Belarusian civilians across 200 villages.

After everything I've read up and seen concerning Beatrix, that sounds a whole lot like the shit she gets up to with the Werewolves when not restrained by stasi command.

>>13745916
>What the fuck, man. That guy was batshit crazy.

so is Beatrix

>>13745958
that gif really, REALLY needs the PARTY HARD macro

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>>13745958
Literary the ultimate Waifu.

>YFW no qt to bayonet pregnant woman with.

>>13745993
*tips fedora*

>>13745993
The edge is strong with this one.

>>13745993
>Unironically waifuing Beatrix
>One of the most evil anime characters ever

Look, I know she's incredibly good fapping material, but ISHYDDT.

>>13746002
You underestimate the stupidity of waifufags.

>>13745993
Insane posters shouldn't be allowed on the imageboard.

>>13746009
I could wrap my head around people waifuing Esdeath but Beatrix is just so completely repulsive. She tortures/kills children and pregnant women for crying out loud!

>>13746021
That's what makes them waifufags.

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Fuck you guys, I'm going to post Beatrix and nothing is going to stop me.

>>13746021
Having a waifu means loving despite her faults. Maybe once you experience the world a bit you'll understand.

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>>13746021
Gotta break a few eggs to make an omelette.

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>>13746029
>>13746038
>>13746033
These are the same retarded posts that people made when they were waifufagging esdeath what the fuck

>>13746026
She's no longer the most popular girl over here. I thought we'd be flooded by Beatrixfags because the anime would tone her down, but it seems as though I'm wrong. People absolutely hate her.

>>13746033
She literally tortures babies in front of their mothers as part of her interrogations, then kills them both after she's done with them. This in spite of the fact that the DDR is having serious manpower shortages.

She doesn't even have the excuse that many of the other stasi like Lise have. She grew up in a normal enough home, with normal enough parents, and signed up for the stasi willingly. She wasn't mindwashed/raped into it, like she and Axemann do all the time to other children.

>>13746046
Beatrix is just a little worse than Esdeath.

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Fuck me; why did they have to give Beatrix one of the best designs I've ever seen on a 2D on top of giving her one of my favorite seiyus too? Ironic, the only girl I was interested in turns out to be a fucking monster with zero character depth. Why do you hate me Kouki, WHY!?

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>>13746078
Yeah, I know. They push the boring blue-eyed blonde on us while making the Semen Demon our archenemy. There is absolutely no justice in this world.

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>>13745332
suposely, in ML verse, the space program is more advanced than our timeline...

if they can LAND on Mars, why not land on an asteroid, vectorize and aim to Earth, and clash it to THE FUCKING KASHGAR?????????????????????????????


daily reminder that pic related kills BETA.

>>13746089
lazors

Why do people like Muv-Luv? It sounds terrible. Do people only like it for the tits?

>>13746087
>>13746078
im waiting for a reliable summary of the full VN and BiS before giving up on her completely, the anime (while im enjoying it) seems like it will only show her as an evil character since they are cutting a lot of the content

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>>13746093
>lazors can destroy, or even derail an asteroid

>>13746103

People like her in BiS partly because she's this doting, vaguely tsundere sort, and partly because she happens to be the girlfriend of an Aryan demigod.

>>13746103
The summaries of SM don't really make her out to be a very good person either. Shit like trying to have Katia turned over to her so she can torture her, fucking with Theo's head for the evulz, delaying a rescue attempt on NVA units resulting in many more deaths (among them Major Hannibal), manipulating Lise to betray Theo, personally folding Walter's bones, pulling out Pham's teeth and ripping her nails out, doing something so horrible to Sylwia that no one will talk about it, rape, chasing down and massacring thousands of civilians with her TSF makes her sound as bad as, if not worse, than Axemann.

Of course, if an LNfag can refute these, I'm all ears.

>>13745720
It's not so much money as the fact they are finicky pieces of shit that require tons of maintenance. 00R's have hilariously shitty up time.

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>>13745915
>not realizing this is the alternate universe where West Germany stayed fabulous and the rest of the world followed suit
http://www.spiegel.de/international/zeitgeist/the-german-hair-force-a-failed-experiment-in-military-manes-a-744992.html

NATO APPROVED

>>13746115
Yes. You know they're used for mining right? Mining rocks. Asteroids are rocks. Do the math.

>>13746116
it feels like she is a different character in BiS from what i have heard, part of the reason i find her interensting is wanting to know what made her change so much
>>13746124
i have heard some people who claim to be LNfags say that some of that is not trueor that axman is the one who did that, one thing that leads be to believe them is the part where walter gets his bones folded but then he apparently is the one who heavily damages her MIG with the help of sylwia and i doubt that he would be able to pilot a TSF after having his bones folded

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>>13746124
I wish I could be an Irisfag, but she doesn't do anything for me. My dick is unresponsive in her presence. She's just so boring and bland in my opinion.

Either the author / character designer of SM set out to purposely troll me by making the deliciousness of the designs proportional to their unwaifuablility, screen-time, and/or shallowness, or they sat down and said, "You know, these girls don't have anything going for them; let's give them the 9/10 - 10/10 designs to equalize things."

>>13746153
Axmann was working for the rebels at that point. Later on was when he double crossed them.

>>13746101
I could make the same generalization for any series if I looked at /m/ threads too.

>>13746148
> Do the math.
i would ask /sci/ , but im too lazy.
besides:
-when they detect it (near atmposphere) it is too late to derail it.
-they not attack satellites, why they would give a fuck to an asteroid?

>>13746101
One time they made a thing that was good, then they mercilessly jewed out with half-assed cashgrab spinoffs.

So >>13746176

>>13746184
>One time they made a thing that was good
And that thing was?

>>13746179
If you're crashing an asteroid into Earth at that kind of speed and mass you have bigger problems than the BETA.

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>>13746188
Akane Maniax obviously.

>>13746162
katia is cute

>>13746176
It seems to be extremely trashy, honestly. You have big boobed pretty girls in skintight latex/rubber suits fighting weird penis aliens and in very guroesque fashions, the main hero is a humorless "Don't touch me" edge-master, there's a token clumsy moe-moe imouto girl, then you have an edgy dominatrix rapist bitch as the main villain who orgasms from torturing babies in front of their mothers doing shit because she's EVIL.

It comes off as a seinen version of AkG with mechs that takes itself way to seriously.

>>13746210
>and in
and dying in

>>13746116
And do you dislike her because of it?

>>13746210
And MSG sucks because Thunderbolt is trashy edgemaster shit, I guess.

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>>13746191
there is a scale of asteroids that you can select.

not too big, not too smal. perfect.
about speed, even with that tecnology, i doubt the can acelerate into high relativitic velocities, m8.
i am not trying to wipe ENTIRELY the BETA in one shot, just destroy Kashgar.
one hive at time

>>13746210
So we're judging the entire franchise based on a single episode of a LN spinoff huh? I never read/watched Schwarzbruder or whatever it's called, I just like the original trilogy.

>>13746227
Well, my first impression hasn't been very good so far.

>>13746227
Well, the Muv-Luv Alternative threads haven't give the best impression either.

>>13746236
*haven't given

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>>13746236
You shouldn't be looking at /m/ generals to get the best impression on a series. Or 4chan in general.

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>>13746210
>edgy dominatrix rapist bitch as the main villain who orgasms from torturing babies in front of their mothers doing shit because she's EVIL
Why are people saying this shit about Beatrix?

You know what, fuck it, the anime is probably going to characterize her like this anyways. I'm spiteful enough to hope that Iris get's the same bastardization treatment.

>>13746170
How does that make sense? It like getting help from Lu Bu, you know he is going to fuck you up later on.

>>13746246
Remember that time we spent 40 years fighting proxy wars against the guys we allied with for a couple years in WWII?

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>>13746246
Cause Iris is a dolt.
Cause Colonel Ketchup promised to spill some special sauce on Beato.
Cause he was providing all sorts of awesome information on loyalist forces up until the backstab.
Cause Axmann keeps a very clean, upstanding record because of plausible deniability (not exactly shown too well in the anime).

>>13746224
Putting aside a hell of a lot of other scientific considerations I really don't have time for, how do you guarantee getting the right size when the amount of asteroid that makes it to the ground is decided by how many lasers the BETA happen to aim at it?

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>>13746241
BiS is such an asspull. I hate how they've characterized Beatrix to pull in the waifufags. Unless they make some huge retcons, it's going to be very difficult for them to reconcile her with the fucking baby torturer she is in SM.

I don't know though. BiS isn't translated nor complete, so she could turn out to be like pic related.

>>13746255
Also, there were no plans that centered on destroying only Kashgar because they had no idea of the strategic significance of Kashgar compared to other hives until literally hours before Operation Ouka.

>>13745498

>That bust
>Vietnamese

Yeah fucking right

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>>13746249
>Cause Axmann keeps a very clean, upstanding record because of plausible deniability (not exactly shown too well in the anime).

How?

Isnt that Axeman is well known to be in the Stasi ? I mean regardless of your record or anything, it is the fucking Stasi. Being trustworthy/ non backstabbing isnt something you find common

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Yo, so as someone who has no idea what the fuck ML is, apparently the mechs are based on planes, yeah?

What's the difference between the non-swing wings ones, like the MiG-21 and the swing wing ones, like the MiG-23

>>13746002
>One of the most evil anime characters ever
She is bad for sure, but that's underestimating what some evil characters have done

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>>13746315
Axmann is buttbuddies with the guy running everything. Most of the stasi are indoctrinated to be completely fanatical. Pic related, for instances, charges a group of armed soldiers who weren't even going to kill her with nothing but a knife.

>>13746265
i dont think Beato ever tortures a baby, i'm fairly certain the only time that there is a baby in SM is the one that Axmann forces Lise to smash with a rock

>>13746326
Torturing babies to get their mothers to crack, kidnapping and breaking children to impress into your organization, killing pregnant women, and torturing for the lulz is pretty much as evil as you can get.

Name one anime character who is worse.

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>>13746319
The old ones have these really fucking crappy single point leg mounts for their butt engines while the swing-wing planes like the F-14 and MiG-23 debut the fancy pants double jointed arms attached to the waist that allow them much more 3D movement so thrust vectoring can rule the skies.

Of course they're kept on a lot of non-swing wing things afterwards but it's something.

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>>13746343

If we're talking on a purely "Amount of human suffering caused in others" then this girl takes the cake.

>>13746078
On top of that, she'll NEVER get H-scenes because age abandoned eroge years ago

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>>13746348

So in ML Swing Wings = Thrust Vectoring?

What does Thrust Vectoring equal, like when the F-22 and later Su's show up?

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>>13746358
The jump unit nozzles can actually move like real world thrust vectoring nozzles.

>>13746358
The nozzles on the jump units start to actually pick up TVC characteristics.

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>>13746348
>first operational swing-wing plane
>no TSF version
Why the fuck does Japan not know about this plane? It's never been in Ace Combat either.

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>>13746292
You could've at least gotten Iris in on the action.
Can't wait for episode 2 though. The possibility of getting to see Beato's Ass in her sex suit has me all giddy.

>>13746380
Because fuck you and your Vark.

Fucking centuryfags need to learn their place. No Thud, no go.

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>>13746358
Well everything has thrust vectoring because they're giant fucking robots and fly like bricks.

The F-22s and stuff start picking up additional thrusters in their shoulders and waists for instantaneous lateral or reverse thrusting (armpit thrusters also show up on a few), Active Eagle goes as far as replacing its back weapon racks with an extra pair of articulated thrusters.

>>13746357
We wouldn't even have to fight her if this was an eroge. She'd be one of the main heroines.

Ironically, she probably was a main heroine along with Iris at one point (seeing as how they foil/contrast each other perfectly in personality and design like main heroines usually do) back when SM was initially drafted as a Unlimited style romcom about Ossies and West Germans learning how to cooperate and fight BETA together (designs still hilariously reflect this too).

To this day I still think the cockpits are excessively empty and too ahead of their time.

A three panel tv display along with some analog dashboard elements would feel more plausible. Think 1st-2ND gen VTs from Steel Battalion.

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>>13746404
>Ossies and West Germans learning how to cooperate and fight BETA together

Why does that sound so much more enticing than what we have now?

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>>13746411

Something like the Gunparade cockpits?

Has anybody read the VN? Is it any good?
Not that I'll play it anytime soon, I still have to finish Chronicles 02 and Total Eclipse, but I want to know what people think.

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>>13746412
Because you're a faggot. Go play Adoration if you want that.

Wanted to add, Beatrix and Jurgen do not look good together as a couple, at least when compared to Theo/Iris or Walter/Sylwia.

>>13746448
It's literally half of an LN with pictures and voices and fuck you for expecting any of the material from the gaiden novels.

>>13746448
It's pretty good. Way better than the anime at least. You can watch some of it in the link here >>13745448 .

>>13746440
What I'm getting at is that they should've aped VT cockpit design.

And maybe by 2000 start phasing in the laser chinstrap virtual HUD tech.

Yknow, just dial the SF trappings down a bit. Yes you have giant robot notplanes and all but plastic wrap pilot suits too? Really? I mean sure, eroge and all, but why not some girls in g-suits during the SM time frame at least?

>>13746404
>back when SM was initially drafted as a Unlimited style romcom about Ossies and West Germans learning how to cooperate and fight BETA together
when was SM ever about that? SM was always going to be grimdark as fuck, i remember someone posted an interview with either the author or kouki where kouki told the author (who has a reputation for writing dark stuff) to write the story to be as dark as he normally does
i vaguely remember TE looking like it was going to have routes but i dont know if that was planned then scrapped due to all the issues it had

>>13745643
Good thing the anime doesn't follow the VN or even the LNs it's based off of then.

Or Beatrix would have more dimensions than Esdeath and be more tragic in her own way than Esdeath.

>>13746472

>– And then, how did you get into Schwarzesmarken?

>Uchida: At the time, I knew someone in the Age staff, and that person told Yoshimune-san (Kouki Yoshimune, CEO of ACID, creator of Muv-Luv, Muv-Luv Alternative, and Total Eclipse) that he knew a guy who knew a lot about military history, like the Eastern Front of WWII, and gave him my name.

>Then, when Enterbrain-san released Age-san’s “Muv-Luv Alternative Integral Works”, I wrote a short story about a mechanic for it, and that’s how I got started.

>About a year after that, I brought them a proposal for a story about Germany in the Alternative world.

>That proposal was set at a joint West Germany/East Germany pilot training academy, and they would get into a lot of youthful hijinks, and then the BETA would start the European invasion – it was a pretty light-hearted proposal.

>But then, Yoshimune-san told me “Nah, this isn’t your kind of story. You like more gritty, bloody stories. You don’t have to lie to me.” (laughs)

>And then it turned out that Yoshimune-san actually already had a story set in Germany bouncing around in his head. “You want to write this instead?” “Sure!” That’s about how things turned out (laughs).

>>13746466
Shouldn't you have a bigger problem with them having a lunar base in the 50s?

>>13746490
I can let that slide.

I can let the giant robots slide.

But I want cockpits more reflective of the machines' heritage as proxies for jet planes.

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>>13745958
>After everything I've read up and seen concerning Beatrix, that sounds a whole lot like the shit she gets up to with the Werewolves when not restrained by stasi command.
But that's wrong.

That would be Axemann. Except instead of killing girls and children, he has them all raped repeatedly, then forced to kill innocents, babies included. Then he also takes his men to go hunting, gunning down those he's not interested in and capturing those he's going to torture.

But with the anime airing, it's going to be a moot point, since they reduced everyone down to 1-dimensional characters. So I guess anime Beatrix would fit. But LN and VN Beatrix would not.

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>>13746224

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/a/ threads are fucking weird.

>>13746519
Find any good Frodos?

>>13746483
guess i remembered it wrong, i think that woiuldn't have been that interesting since it would be to similar to unlimited atleast with SM as it is now it offers a pretty interesting story within the muv luv universe from a different perspective than most of the other content

>>13746524
The Fellowship only comes when need ( or whenever a new episode releases )

>>13746524
Only a few stupid ones.

>>13746501
Why does she get so much hate then. Usually there's a reason for these things.

>>13746548
Because Beatrix's desire to unite Germany and push back the BETA involves sacrificing "a few" for the many, and requires she does so with ruthlessness. Just like Yuuko. Only Beatrix has to climb the Stasi ladder, and has to be extremely ruthless to avoid becoming a cumdumpster and slave to Axemann, as she's not brilliant like Yuuko or lucky to have a Bratty Savior to help her.

People also don't like the fact she's working from within, rather than from the outside. And there's also the fact almost no one has read the LN (much less the prequel LN) which better sets up both Beatrix and Irisdina.

So Beatrix ends up coming off as a heartless bitch, Iris as a selfish bitch, and Katia as a useless moeblob. Ironically, anime Theo is less of a dick than his LN and VN self, where he's a straight-up douchebag who deserves to be shot rather early on.

>>13746575
I think it's mostly the anime confirming everything the shitters were saying about her. Most people abandoned ship after the execution scene.

Before anyone says that people shouldn't judge a character from a three minute scene, first impressions are extremely important in media. You show a character doing something like stealing candy from a baby in his very first scene and it's very difficult to write him as anything but a douchebag, just like the little smirk Beatrix does as she's splashed with men's, women's, and children's blood will set the tone for her being a bloodthirsty sociopath.

>>13746610
NOBODY

FUCKING

CARES

>>13746610
> abandoned ship after
Meant to say abandoned the SS Beatrix. Beatrixfags seem to be in the minority now and Beatrix is generally hated more than even Axmann by most people now.

>>13746619
Sociopathfags are cancer, like their waifu. I wish they'd just learn to accept the Beatrix's shittiness and find another girl to waifu, or just shut up.

>>13746630
I wish you would all shut the fuck up, preferably forever.

>>13746650
But I'm agreeing with you, you faggot.

>>13746626
>SS

Wrong totalitarian state. There's a reason they favored the portmanteau over the initialism as the shorthand for Staatssicherheit.

>>13746380
they should make a vietnam era ace combat game where you start with f-100s and the best plane is the f-111

>>13746692
SHIT

WHAT STUPID YOU SAY

>>13746699
>>13746619

You left your CAPSLOCK on.

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>All those people actually buying the Beatrix tortured babies, killed pregnant womens and so on bullshit

Yeah, I will just go to bed and make as if I never saw this thread.

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>>13746721

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>>13746255
>>13746270
>Also, there were no plans that centered on destroying only Kashgar because they had no idea of the strategic significance of Kashgar compared to other hives until literally hours before Operation Ouka.
even without aiming for Kashgar, any hive or big army could be destroyed, and there is difficult to make a good counter-measure.

>inb4 lazors again
lazors lost their efficiency over a lot of factors: distance, materials to get trough (air, dust, etc.).

>>13746502
i know, frodoposting now is rampant and shit, but you aren´t contributing anything with that post, m8
also,pic related

>>13746724
People bought that she raped Pham and Sylwia and tried to rape Katia/Iris too. For whatever reason, this shit sticks to Beatrix more easily than the Christian-talibani shit for Iris.

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>>13746692
>f-100s

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>>13746942
Looks pretty good.

Admit you are watching this for the crazy dark haired bitch at the end who is like Esdeath.

Mediocre plot
Crappy generic characters
Shitty cgi enemies
MC is a cornball
Animation and visuals are ehh

Disappointing and I can bet my left ass cheek by episode 6, a large portion of anons on here will drop this crap.

>>13746961
I like SM, am a Beatrixfag, and completely agree with you.

>>13746961
I'm only watching it because it's ML.

I expect it to be dogshit by episode 6ish too. SM holds little interest to me, to be entirely honest, other than my desire to drink Katia's piss.

>>13746961
I will probably drop it around episode 6 and consign it that same space I put bad adaptions like Turkeyhandle in. I'll probably still tune in at the end of March to see Yukarin moan, gasp, and scream as Beatrix takes Theo inside her, so I guess you're partially right about the Esdeath thing.

>>13746961
The LN/VN is so much better than this anime.

>>13746961
I'd watch any animated Muv-Luv series no matter what it is about. Beatrix is still my main source of enjoyment from this.

>>13745516
Of course, they're Stasi titties. They probably have minds of their own.

>>13746692

Ace combat game where you start with P-40, and best plane is P-51H (for osea), and Hawker Hurricane to Hawker Hunter for ISAF.

>>13747016

>an extremely short VN and an almost entirely untranslated LN are miles better than an anime whose only apparent crimes are making Theo less relentlessly paranoid and not shoving BiS Beato in everyone's faces and we're one episode in

Muh depth.

>>13747409
First impressions are everything, right?

>She has twenty minutes to live

That's not really something you can tell from just looking at person.

Yeah, sure, you can tell if they're alive or not by looking, but how the fuck did they know she had twenty minutes? That seems more than savable given post-WWII medicine.

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>>13747421
>BiS
>first impression
I'm not sure why all this lazy waifu shitposting is necessary on multiple boards. Fucking crossy losers.

>>13747444
Because fuck you we only have time for one line of dialogue to justify this.

>>13747444
Fortified suits allow you to diagnose pilot vitals.

>>13747447
If they shoved BiS Beatrix in this early, I'd throw an even worse shitfit.

>not shoving BiS Beato in everyone's faces and we're one episode in

I can't buy that anime Beatrix was ever anything but a sociopathic sadist. Anime Beato and anime Jurg never fell in love because anime Beato was vivisecting small animals or being a huge bitch/bully to Irisdina.

>>13747472
Well luckily your headcanon Beatrix is still more mentally stable than your autistic ass.

>>13747473
>BiS
>Headcannon

>>13747475
retard you

>>13747479
Beatrix is extremely evil in the VN, but you still get a feel that she could've, might've, at one point been a better person.

You don't get that at all from the anime, and as others have said, first impressions are everything.

>>13747484
>maybe if I just keep shitposting it will look like I know what's going on
Just fucking stop. If need be kill yourself because nobody needs to read any more of your shit.

>>13747487
He's laid out his interpretation, what's your interpretation of everyone's favorite argument topic?

>>13747484
we only get 30 second of her in the anime, c'mon

>>13747494
To wait long enough that I am not exceeding a 9000:1 posting time to filmed time ratio in discussing a character I don't give two shits about either way in this anime besides how often I hear their voice.

>>13747499
>>13747506

>introductions aren't important in establishing characters guys

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyGSaTC5rdc

All the animefags thinks she's a more evil version of Esdeath now.

If East Germany is such a shit hole, why do the people put up with it?

>>13747535
Why people put up with living in a shit hole in real life? They can't do anything to not make it a shit hole. Go on, try to change something, Stasi will laugh in your face, before shooting you in the head.

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So, A3 series really died?

The animes so far is actually not bad. The terrifying fact it confirms is that Ramsay Bolton is indeed an inter dimensional, transgender, sadistic sociopath.

>>13747737
It's all resin kits now, if there's anything still coming out.

>>13747484

Okay, here's a fucking question - why in the goddamn world would an adaptation of Schwarzesmarken shove in details from a sidestory?

Beatrix was a murderous, sadistic cunt in the original story and she's a murderous, sadistic cunt in this. Sometimes I wish BiS never even existed, if only to stop people like you from forcing shit.

>>13748388
>transgender
Ramsay Bolton is Axmann, not Beatrix.

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>>13748678
Axmann is more like Roose. He wasn't the one doing the execution with sadistic glee, or the one nearly jumping up and down with eagerness to let the slaughter begin.

>>13748648
Except she is not a murderous, sadistic cunt in the original story, but she indeed seems to be in the anime.

>>13748695

Oh yeah, she shows some form of concern for her probably equally guilty squadmates once, and wants to let thousands of people serve as meat shields to 'save' an almost completely infested Europe.

I'm sorry, I forgot how noble she was when she wasn't folding bones and torturing people and being entirely complicit in Lise's predicament and gunning down refugees.

She's a ruthless cunt. Probably did Jurgen in herself honestly.

>>13748648
>>>/a/136120541

>>13748717
>when she wasn't folding bones and torturing people and being entirely complicit in Lise's predicament and gunning down refugees.

Thanks, you proved you don't know what you are talking about and thus are not worth my attention.

>>13748724

Hah, strange honors.

>>13748729

Then please, enlighten me. Defend your waifu, as you are wont to do.

>>13748734
That's not my waifu, and I won't react to your spitting venom. As I said, you are not worth it. Keep luring people with lies as you please.

>>13748738

>Keep luring people with lies as you please.

Funny talk, coming from a Beatofag.

Are you going to actually say something of substance to serve as a counter to what I posted, and to indeed prove that what I posted is flawed if you're so certain, or are you just gonna put your hands over your ears?

We can't all read moonrunes, buddy.

>>13748750
The funny thing is, I think the execution scene was them trying to adapt Cage of the Stasi (the final line the dude Beato shot is kinda similar to the the defector's leader's final line), except doing it terribly. Cage of the Stasi humanizes both sides, the defectors and the Werewolves, and it's harder to justify who was in the right as the defectors took TSFs with them that East Germany is really short on, and they fired on Beatrix first (also, Axmann wasn't there).

>>13748388
>Animes

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>>13748750
Hey, Beatrix has trigger discipline. That automatically makes her best girl in my book.

>>13748800
>and they fired on Beatrix first

Oh, what a crime, surely.

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So, from what I see, this thing is not really "grimdark because of aliens chomping Eurasia", but rather "grimdark because of the Stasi being fucking evil assholes who can betray and murder anyone with impunity", leaving the BETA and TSF action in a kind of second priority.

>>13748750
If you insist.

>wasn't folding bones
She didn't. Walther never actually talk about it, nor is seen by anybody in the squad as having a hand badly injured. The only times we hear about that are mainly from the mouth of Beatrix, probably trolling/irritating people as always because...

>torturing people
...Intimidation is her best card, not torture. Besides, torture is a basic thing in the Stasi, and the prisonners are not Beatrix ones, but Stasi ones. If she can't get informations by intimidation, then by Stasi " workflow ", they go into further interrogation by other specialised people. I will leave some doubt here because I don't remember about someone she sent into torture herself, but maybe she did so I will give you that. But she never tortured people herself nor was in charge of a torture interrogation team.

>being complicit in Lise's predicament
As is any Stasi soldier. She didn't participate to anything related to Lise " training ", and actually got her out of Axmann reach.

>gunning down refugees
As would have done any Stasi soldier with a mission if asked to. Actually, she never downed any civilian by herself, except when she did out of desperation at the Wall. She tried to avoid it as much as possible, even in mission.

That's about it, I think. Don't feel free to pull other lies just so I can answer to them, because I won't.

>>13748840
>...Intimidation is her best card, not torture. Besides, torture is a basic thing in the Stasi, and the prisonners are not Beatrix ones, but Stasi ones. If she can't get informations by intimidation, then by Stasi " workflow ", they go into further interrogation by other specialised people. I will leave some doubt here because I don't remember about someone she sent into torture herself, but maybe she did so I will give you that. But she never tortured people herself nor was in charge of a torture interrogation team.

>In summary, if she didn't get what she wanted through intimidation, she just fucks them up physically anyway

Okay.

>As is any Stasi soldier

>As would have done any Stasi soldier

>Basically my entire argument is Beato didn't do those things because the Stasi would do them as a matter of course anyway.

What a brilliant case made. SM Stasi, murderers, whores and batshit crazy lunatics.

>>13748800
Beato usually gives people a chance to speak their final lines before executing them (unlike the anime).

>>13748856
Well, it's kinda like this:

The Stasi are responsible for a lot of the dissent shit. Due to their mishandling of the Strachwitz situation, they turned a bunch of grumbling but feckless dissent into an underground revolution. Shit sucks, but now they gotta deal with it. They're literally in crises mode because of the aliums, and anything which saps from the war effort is effectively killing them, so they come down hard on rebels. You also have low morale and desertion, which produces a domino effect when one guy decides to make a break for it. What's worse, they usually take military supplies all the way up to TSFs with them (remember, they're so short on supplies that they have to resort to bayonets at times). So they gotta put something scarier than the BETA behind their people to keep them in the fight.

Course, while fear is the building block of all authority/loyalty, a state can't survive purely off of it. It should only constitute a minor portion of the overall governance system in a healthy society (the implied big stick hidden behind the carrot basically). You need other factors to balance out the resent it breeds in your subject. Unfortunately, the DDR doesn't really have the means to do that and fear is a very easy tool to use and abuse.

To me, it's kinda like a hurricane is coming, but you have this shitty house you neglected as your only shelter. The beams are rotten, the windows are broken, and the door doesn't shut. You have one of two options, shore things up, fix what you can, hope for the best and maybe renovate the house when things are better (Beatrix), or tear down the flimsy house and try to build it better (Iris).

>>13748823
"In a war against an enemy that cannot be negotiated with, the greatest threats to humanity come from within."

I swear science fiction is just naturally suited to ridicule socialism.

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>>13748840
>...Intimidation is her best card, not torture. Besides, torture is a basic thing in the Stasi, and the prisonners are not Beatrix ones, but Stasi ones. If she can't get informations by intimidation, then by Stasi " workflow ", they go into further interrogation by other specialised people. I will leave some doubt here because I don't remember about someone she sent into torture herself, but maybe she did so I will give you that. But she never tortured people herself nor was in charge of a torture interrogation team.

Lise personally tortured Pham (Beato didn't feel like it), so I think Beato would/has participated in torture.

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>>13748856
>Basically my entire argument is Beato didn't do those things because the Stasi would do them as a matter of course anyway.

How to miss the point : The post.

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>>13749029
A badly adapted scene.

>>13749029
Red fuckers are both the silliest and scariest shits around.

They'll slam dunk your ass to the ground.

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>>13749029
>>13749039
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5nSLsUlGzc

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>>13749039
Rip you right in half and suck your intestines out of you.

>>13749035

It's basically what you're saying, though, isn't it?

Beatrix is blameless and none of her actions are questionable because any other Stasi soldier would have done what she did if ordered to.

And Beatrix executes people, too, as an aside - what makes you think she wouldn't stoop to torture? Too saintly for that?

>>13749052
No, read the entire response and you will see a more Beatrix focused line.

The " As any soldier " thing is just here to state that yes, any soldier in the Stasi would do it, but that's not the main point.

It'd be so much better if the anime was like band of brothers

>>13749058
Kinda like the original draft before being rewritten with edge.

>>13749057

Yeah, I'll believe that she tried to avoid anything when we receive a comprehensive translation of this. If that's what you're referring to.

>>13749073
More or less yes, I'm looking forward to more people getting into the LN.

As for the " Beatrix executes people " one, well, no, she really doesn't, not for the lulz like the recurring " point " some people want to pull in as a fact at least. So far she executed only deserters ( Which was pretty regular in any army of that time, even more when in a global scale war ) and the civilians at the Wall in a desperate move. As for the Moonlight Night, there yeah, the main argument would be that any Stasi would have done it ( But remember they were traitors at the eyes of basically all of the Stasi. Probably only the Head Command knew it was not entirely the case and highly based on suspicions/unsufficient results )

And what makes me think she wouldn't torture people is that she isn't described as doing so herself in the LN. Maybe she would, but as long as it is not written, then it's just pure speculation ( Same thing goes for whether or not she orders to send anyone into torture, but again I can't categorically refute this as I don't remember enough about that ).

My entire point is not to excuse her actions by saying she is good, even if she indeed have a noble goal. If you give the slightiest fuck about morale, you can pretty much only see her as evil. But she's not crazy, she doesn't enjoy killing just for fun, and can just be seen as as bad as you would expect a Stasi member to be ( And definitely not at the level of Schmidt or Axemann ), just that she does what's to be done and doesn't give a shit about the morality of her actions. The end justify the means, and if you are agree or not with this is entirely up to your appreciation. But she is not a crazy monster, as I see a lot of misinformed people spreading the word everywhere. In the LN, that is.

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Where are my German Freedom Fries?

I was promised Bundeswehr Freedom Fries.

>>13749173
>More or less yes, I'm looking forward to more people getting into the LN.

Probably not. A lot of people, especially outside of 4chan, don't even know that there's an LN or VN. People will remember SM as an edgefest with two dimensional characters and cartoonishly evil fapbait.

So finally, a balanced review from a VNFag:

>Animations is good. The OST (except the ED) is the same OST used in the VN which I don't blame them, it's really good. The pacing is a little too fast for my taste but since its an anime, that was bound to happen. I feel that Theodor comes more off an ass here than in the VN because again lack of characterization due to time constrains. Same with Irisdina. The conversation they had in Poland after "that happened."

>The death of Inghild or Ingrid or Inghilde was more powerfully done in the VN. In the anime it was just like 4 sentences before saving Katia.

>In the VN, the back and forward between Theodor and Irisdina had tension and suspense. It wasn't just Theodor wagging the finger to her and calling her an informant. There was legitimate fear from Theo (Yeah I get to call him that) . In the VN, He thinks the reason why Irisdina called him alone on a mission is because she is going to execute him or torture him. In the anime it's not obvious that Theo fears the STASI, too me it feels that he is just pissed at them for what they did to his family, not fearful.

>>13749357
Even if it's only 2 people here, it will always be 2 more people.

I don't care much about the SM community in general. Even with the original trilogy fully translated, there is always people misunderstanding a lot of things, so I guess people born dumb stay dumb forever ( Well, with SM it will be the fault of the anime too. I just hope the VN will be more like the LN ( Which is so far ) and that most of ML community will play the VN ).

>>13749370

>Again, time constraints. Also they better start explaining the role of a political commissar real soon otherwise people will start to say "How come a lieutenant can talk back to a captain?" and get confused. But there was one legitimate thing I didn't like. Again, all things I said right now are all because they have a limited time slot in an anime-cour. But that last scene with Beatrix just came out of nowhere and to me it cheapens her as a villain. In the novel she is background character in the beginning and only comes into motion after "things happen". It's subtle, may I say sexy in how evil she is. It perfectly represents the STASI. A looming fear in the background that in any given notice will transform and jump back at you. I see why her squadron name is the Werewolves now. Thanks literary analysis! In the anime we immediately antagonize her BEFORE her character is introduced. That is the key difference. We hate her before we even hear her utter a sentence.

>So to me is kind of like that you know. That is how you show how godawful the Stasi is. Make the fear and paranoia an ever present reality of the world but show it when its due, otherwise they appear only as the "the bad guys" instead of a sick ideological system that works from top to bottom, from official to soldier to civilian. And that is my impression of the first episode.

>>13749370
>>13749378

So basically what all us VN and LN fags are saying.

I think we all agree that the episode is not bad as an anime, but as an adaptation it's not that great. It's only a matter of details, but they change our vision of it in tremendeous ways.

>>13749370
>So finally, a balanced review from a VNFag
Or, to put it another way,

>finally, a review that validates my own viewpoint from a VNfag

>>13749403
No, he actually liked the anime in the end, but he's kinda mixed about it. I don't like the anime.

I'm hoping for more reviews from the guys who know the source material though. When I find a positive analyses, I'll be sure to post it.

>>13749403
>>13749378
Yeah, he doesn't dispute how evil Beatrix is. He actually compares her to Ingsoc and O'Brian later on and calls her "worse of the worse. A demon that remains [in] power for powers sake."

I am wondering how East germany even survived? On one side you have aliens, on the other people that hate you cause you have evil asshole running the state.

How does Russian even supply shit to the east?

hell it laughible with the anime-original scene with axeman said West+East Germany under stasi rule

>>13749378
It kinda hard to build up the stasi as a looming fear in 6 hours/12 eps. So it makes sense they when for the easier generic villains.

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>>13749458

>"Sooner or later, you will know…"

[pained, labored panting]

>"...the limitation of your dreams. Only under stasi dominion…only ideals like mine will bring hope to humanity."

>>13749429
That's a really unfair analyses of Bea.

>>13749357
>People will remember SM as an edgefest with two dimensional characters and cartoonishly evil fapbait.

Not too far from the truth in all fairness.

I hope Martyrs shows what happens to The Master during Operation Ouka.

>>13749675
pretty sure was fapping to dead waifus

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Why doesn't Theo just sign up to join the Stasi, then he can be the one watching people instead of being watched.

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>>13749675
>>13749703

>>13749711

Why would you willingly work for the people who killed your family?

>>13749715
Why does Theo get a laptop computer with LCD screen, even Yuuko doesn't get one.

>>13749720
if you can't beat them,

Why did age abandon the eroge market? Will Melvina Maniax ever be released now? It's been FIVE YEARS!

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>>13749715
Iris never even loved him.

>>13749711
>daring to even COMPARE fucking Theo to those 2
bullshit
Takeru = TSF GOD
Yuuya is a top tier pilot
Theo is nothing but a grunt

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>>13749711

Yuuya had his moments.

He had some pretty good points that were only shot down because "LOL, SHUT UP AMERICAN, NIPPON BANZAI, JAPAN NUMBER 1"

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>>13749720

yes

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>>13749715

God, they really did ruin her design for the anime.

They changed it JUST enough so that it's not the perfection that the LN and VN design is.

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>>13749783
Katia and Iris were both butchered. Iris in particular is just really boring looking now.

Gretel and Beatrix are the only one's who still look kinda good (still don't hold a candle to the LNs though).

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>>13749733
She was too brainwashed to remember what that is.

>>13745332

Just got done watching the first episode.

I'm going to watch all of Schwarz, because I love me some ML, but I have to say that I was disappointed.

TE's first episode got me really excited for the series. Even though on the whole the series is bad, I really think those first two episodes are something special and stand on their own.

This episode 1 felt like a goddamn episode 5 or something. QUALITY everywhere and they're asking me to emotionally care about characters I just met. Feels like the series has started out of order.

I hope they're just holding out the budget for later episodes...

>>13749828
They're probably saving all of it up for the one hour finale and penetration.

>>13749850
>Liden
Anon, they already blew out their big guns on the first episode.

>>13749828
I didn't notice that much QUALITY

>THIS ANIME A SHIT BECAUSE IT'S NOT A LIGHT NOVEL AND I MUST INFORM EVERYONE ABOUT THIS ABOUT EVERY LN ADAPTION THAT AIRS EVERY SEASON
I liked ML threads better when nobody could be fucked to pretend to read the LN so they could be a dick waving elitist about it.

>>13749854
It looked good if this was like, ep.5. The fact this was ep.1 and it looked so fucking average is concerning.

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>>13749869
Some anons have read it, probably. Everything I've seen from the purported VN/LN fags here and on Futaba seems to indicate that it's a pretty bad adaption so far, even if it might be a good anime.

>>13749882
Futaba is even more critical of it then we are.

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so Theo's MiG-21 is out and it doesn't seem to even come with waterslides or anything to do the (useless) camo pattern

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>>13749914
lower left corner is how the model will look out of the box, the only waterslides are the 666 markings

>>13749882
Bad adaption doesn't mean "changed shit". You can't call it a bad adaption after one fucking episode because you have to look at the overall picture unless you are a huge fucking waifushit autist that is triggered by a character having a slightly different facial expression than they think they should in one fucking scene.

TE changed fucking everything everywhere forever and we didn't need a week of crying about the original prologue being removed.

>>13749908
It's probably going to suck butt because of the episode count, budget, studio, some fairly shit voice acting in the first episode, and other factors, but it's much better to criticize it for that than just shitting on it for every single LN scene it removed.

>>13749882
It's not even a good anime.

I legitimately enjoyed post-flashback arc TE more.
Legitimately.
Even with the horrid QUALITY.

There was visual spectacle, even if the Lasers weren't story accurate.

This guy explains why it's not a very good adaption.
>>13749370
>>13749378

People seriously don't want a 1:1 adaption, but it is kinda obvious that the characters feel off. That's not good in something as character driven as SM. They could've totally swapped around events or rewritten scenes, but just so long as the characters feel like themselves, people wouldn't complain too much. Most people aren't ready to write off the series yet, but there are definitely some big warning signs flashing for many. People on 4chan are usually very pessimistic about everything, so of course there is a lot of whining. Sad thing is, usually they turn out to be right.

>>13749956
bullshit
the (few) guys complaining are those that actually bought and read the LN and VN, which have to be like 5 at best, because I'm sure as hell 99% of the people here will never do so

>>13749962
I read the Chink scans. Sue me.

>>13749966
that's what I mean
you did
the other 51 posters here most probably didn't
trying to shove down them why this is bad and should feel bad for enjoying it is mere shitposting

>>13749976
Well, that's fine. I don't, because I can actually separate the anime from the LN unlike many autist. I can see where some would get upset when they see people using the anime to take shits on characters they like. For me, the anime cast isn't the same thing as the LN cast. For instances, I like LN Iris, but not anime Iris, while I like both the LN's tragic Beato and the anime's psycho Beato. People can choose the material they want to follow on there own. Just down try to say that what is true for the anime is true for the LN.

It's like "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep" vs Bladerunner. I consider both to be separate and like both on there own merits. I'm not going to use the movie to criticize the book or visa versa.

>>13749914
>>13749918

Not like it's so hard painting that camo pattern

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>>13749914
>>13749918
You can make your own custom decals: http://www.kadee.com/htmbord/alpscustom.htm

http://www.gaianotes.com/products/g-material_m02.html

>>13750004
but if you evaluate things rationally how are you supposed to tell people how they're stupid and wrong

>>13750042
Complaining is fun, but usually pointless.

>>13749962
>the (few) guys complaining are those that actually bought and read the LN and VN

>Literally What is an adaptation

Of course only the VN and LN readers could complain about an adaptation, Sherlock. If you don't know the source material, you can't complain about what it looks like in another form.

That's why we say it can be a good or not so terrible anime, but it's already a bad adaptation.

>>13749458
>I am wondering how East germany even survived? On one side you have aliens, on the other people that hate you cause you have evil asshole running the state.
>hell it laughible with the anime-original scene with axeman said West+East Germany under stasi rule
Spoiler question: did the DDR's system survive the fall of Germany to the BETA? From what we know from the main Unlimited/Alternative stories, German forces are fully integrated to the European effort, although both sides have separate commands and operate different TSF models. The exiled East Germans do not seem to be under the yoke of the Stasi's Chekist rule, from what it can be deduced. Thus, the reformers won, whether out of actual reform within the DDR or under the dire conditions Germany was in after Operation Neptune

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So what's y'all wishlist for upcoming WF?
Mine is full SM TSF lineup in 1/144.

>>13749914
>he can't even paint camo

>>13750036
Gaia decals are not as easy to work with as they make them out to be.

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>>13750108
Figures for Beatrix and Irisdina.

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>>13750108
BRING BACK BALLJOINTS

>>13750107
It's a geographical issue. With the direction the BETA invaded from they're inevitably separated from the USSR as they're pushed into the west and don't have much choice in the matter. Pretty much the same deal as China.

>>13750108
As always, I would kill for figmas, but it's probably too soon for prototypes. Maybe announcements.

It's actually pretty much planned that SM will get Figmas and Nendos, as GSC have already partenered with them multiple times ( Latest being with the KS ). I think they will most probably make Iris and Beatrix at least.

So the adaptation is probably going to be bad. I'll watch a few more episodes, but I'll probably drop it.

Is the VN good? It does not sound very appealing to me. It hardly even sounds like Muv-Luv. Alternative got dark at times, but it was always humanistic. Characters had their flaws, but they cared about each other and tried to improve. I can't think of a single truly evil character in Alternative. That's what I loved about it. It got dark, but was always fundamentally positive. It was a tale of love and courage through and through. From what I've heard of SM, it sounds like it's not humanistic at all. It sounds like it's about hatred and cruelty, not love and courage. It sounds like it copied the gore and rape from Alternative but left behind the love and friendship.

Is that an accurate impression? Is SM more grimdark than humanistic? If it is humanistic I'll probably give it a read, but I'm getting awfully tired of grimdark.

>>13750340
You sound like a pasta machine.

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>>13750340
BiS is more hopeful and humanistic just from the first chapter (though we don't know how long that'll last). SM is not.

>>13750340
Yes, it's anti-Alternative. Everybody screws everyone over and the DDR falls as a result of all the infighting.

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>>13750340
>Is SM more grimdark than humanistic? If it is humanistic I'll probably give it a read, but I'm getting awfully tired of grimdark.
The major point that separates Alternative from Schwarzesmarken is that the grimdark in the former happened (mostly) thanks to the BETA. The latter has its characters killed at the hands of the Stasi's evil machinations.

>>13750348
Somebody makes a point and gets treated like that. Shameful...

>>13750442
>and the DDR falls as a result of all the infighting.
I don't think Europe could've resisted for much longer against the BETA, even if the DDR didn't have the Stasi fucking things up for everyone.

>>13750451
Probably not, but it was the deciding factor that did it in, and it was all thanks to poisoned love and cowards.

>>13750442
I'll still probably read it anyway, but it's a shame that none of the spinoffs are true successors to Alternative.

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>>13748975
>frown turned into smile
WHY.jpeg

>>13750460
It's an edgy shop.

>>13750451
Yeah, of the main cast, not a single character, both on the 666 or the stasi, dies at the hands of the BETA.

>>13750455
>it was all thanks to poisoned love and cowards.
Please elaborate.

>>13750456
Also, Schwarzesmarken wasn't made by Cookie. The original novel was written by some fellow named Hiroki Uchida. I think the only reasons anyone gave a damn about this crap in the first place (regardless of how utterly different is from Alternative) were:
a) Franchise fidelity. One million dollarydoos prove how committed the fans of this thing are.
b) CARNELIAN

>>13750472
>Yeah, of the main cast, not a single character, both on the 666 or the stasi, dies at the hands of the BETA.
Inghild did, although I don't know if she counts as "main cast" or even as a BETA kill, since Annett was sort-of responsible for protecting her.

>>13750478
I'll let somebody else elaborate, but pretty much every main character, protagonist, antagonist, etc (Theo, Irisdina, Beatrix, Axmann) are paranoid,ruthless, broken, or evil. Characters with love didn't have the courage to confess to things that happened to them (unlike what S00mika did in Alternative and confessed to everything that happened to her) and had their love poisoned and twisted by one or more of the main characters.

>>13750489
Christ don't you have a Gundam thread to go be retarded in?

What's the KS deadline for backerkit?

>>13750500
I'm not exactly sure S00mika was brave. She was trying to push Takeru away, not get him to accept her. She was guilty than brave.

But that scene was about the importance of honesty and love, both of which are sadly absent in SM.

>>13750542
Hey, love abounds in SM. It's just not quite right and everybody suffers as a result.

>>13750523
>>13750348
Cut it out, faggot.

>>13750545
And thus the mystery of who stole Mari Okada's melodrama away from IBO has been solved.

>>13750545
Tru Luv in SM:

>Jurg/Beato
>Walter/Sylwia
>Martin/Gretel
>Hannibal/Mirai
>Kurt/Anna
>Marco/Inghilde
>Pretty much everybody who falls in love with Theo

Notice a trend here?

YOU ALL REALIZE BEATRIX HAS ONLY SAID 1 WORD

>>13750583
Actions speak louder than words.

>>13750559
I will cut it out when people stop reposting shit and saying retarded things.

Schwaken is Yoshinune's concept and supervised by him and besides that Yoshimune hasn't written anything worth a damn in a decade. (or more than parts of two things worth a damn to start with) Schwarzesmarken not being a sequel to Alternative (which you know, maybe the fact it doesn't have Muv-Luv in its name and takes place as far away as possible geographically and chronologically might have been a hint about) does not mean people can't be interested in it. There are a lot of things in the Alternative universe and Schwaken didn't get a multimedia push over the others by just riding on being part of the franchise.

Don't try to make this some Tomino MUH REAL GENDEM thing like a fuckhead.

>>13749711
That chart is missing PTSD Kurogane.
>No XM3
>Low Rank Takemi
>Murders newer 3rd Gen Typhoons and BETA as if they're nothing
>With only 2 swords

I think even Ikaruga knew Takeru could beat him if they fought.

>>13749738
I find it humorous that Lise really does match her ribbons to her panties.

>>13750583
I'd say that her increasingly growing smile as Axmann toys with his victims and how ready she was for the bloodbath to commence are louder than any words. It's a very effectively directed scene, probably the best in the episode. Unfortunately, it's not exactly in tune with the LN.

>>13750632
A similar scene for Theo would've been him glancing at his pistol when he saw Katia. Instead, they completely omitted his own paranoia.

>>13750610
I'm making a comparison between between this guy and Cookie as to how they handle the story and setting.

>>13750618
Takeru is a TSF god in every incarnation.

Which is one reason the ending was so disappointing. He's the best TSF pilot in the whole damn multiverse and he's stuck in this crippled barge rather than slaughtering BATERS in a Takemikazuchi.

>>13750665
...and you're leaving out hours of retarded Soviet plotting and Theo being a dickass in TE while you do it.

I really wish Age would move on. They have some very skilled people. The Muv-Luv trilogy was fantastic and some of their other games were also great. But they've spent the last ten years milking Muv-Luv rather than doing anything interesting. They've sold out.

The story's over. I love Muv-Luv, but it's time to let it die.

>>13750707
Unfortunately their (arguably) best writer, Matsunaga Hokuto (KimiNozo scenario writer and potentially the specific writer of the PTSD arc) is gone. Wonder where the guy went, Alternative is his last staff credit going by VNDB.

>>13750733
I wish there were more things like the PTSD arc. There's nothing quite like it.

>>13750789
KimiNozo VN (which by the ML team's hints on the forum will likely receive the Kickstarter windfall) arguably, but that's not /m/ unfortunately.

Arguably Chizuru's route in Extra is written by him, but many are turned off by her character anyway. I liked her and her route though.

>>13750803
I meant more cute harem getting emotionally wrecked by a soldier with severe PTSD trying to re-integrate into society.

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>>13750803
I like Chizuru too but she kinda sucked in Extra. She was much better in Alternative and Unlimited.

>>13750811
Maybe Grisaia, but each girl has her own issues anyway. Also /k/, !/m/ unfortunately.

>captcha: waffles