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Toys? Models? Media?
Regardless post pictures
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Toys: There aren't any besides the 80s cartoon ones, and they're shit
Models: Made by Iron Wind Metals, therefor shit
Media: MW1/2/3, everything else is shit. Most art (excluding Dave White, Shimmy, and Flying Debris) is shit
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>>13729163
Really?
Only one reply and it's basically a shitpost?
/m/ disappoints me some times
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>>13729748
Your fault for liking Battletech.
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>>13729775
Why do people hate battletech so badly? It's fucking cool
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>>13729784
That's your opinion. Don't get mad just because others disagree.
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>>13729784
It's garbage with shit teir mech designs (the exceptions being the ripped off stuff from Fang of the Sun and Macross). Fuck off to the FASA forums where you can shit it up with other BT fans and fantasize about a dead franchise.
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>>13729893
Why don't you go fuck yourself and take a look at churchofeuthanasia.com
That site has some great resources that you might want to look into anon
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>>13729853
Sexy mech... would love to pilot
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>>13729925
>Can we go one day without one anon telling another anon to kill themselves.
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>>13729931
Don't reply to your own posts. It's pathetic.
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>>13729961
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This thread turned into a giant shitpost...

Rule 9098 of /m/
DO NOT TALK ABOUT BATTLETECH
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This image lies. You can't destroy drop ships. (Are drop ships still overpowered in the game? I have no idea.)
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>>13730247
Drop ships are OP as hell
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>>13729163
>implying Plog is shit
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>>13730247
Infantry have shot them down before.
But usually, yeah. Especially when they have an artillery envelope and you have to engage enemy forces under it and can't shoot back.
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>>13730339
>>13730346
And now I know. Thanks.
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>>13730339
Fuck I forgot about Plog. I also forgot Mechcommanders 1/2. I amend my previous shitpost.
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>>13730602
>a Leopard that doesn't look ugly
That's the stuff they got Studio Nue to design, right?
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>>13730602
I hope the battletech computer game doesn't suck.
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>>13730608
I believe so, same with this one. I didn't like the mech redesigns but the equipment is good
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>>13730639
The Rifleman looks pretty sexy.
The Commando is alright as well, although it does look exactly like an AC.
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>>13729784
Battletech is pretty lame.
In every way it's just a Dougram downgrade.
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>>13729893
>>13729784
People here don't like good things. And they like to disagree.

>>13729163
Why the hate? Also, 90s cartoon, not 80s.
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>>13730931
I always liked how strange the Bandersnatch looks.
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Sprite a best.
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>>13729784
Most BT fans like it because of the table top game. I only like BT because of the mech warrior games. No BT fans want to just talk about the PC games though so I don't even bother anymore.
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Armored Core is the superior mecha game franchise.
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>>13729784
The setting is pretty cool, but the mechanical design is a major turn off for me. Doesn't help that the art design in Battletech is usually pretty dodgy, too.

I think that's the case with most /m/ users, honestly. I should check out the wargame sometime, though. Shit seems fun.
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>>13730738
>The Rifleman looks pretty sexy.

I agree
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>>13731560
The armored core games are complete shit though.
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>>13731602
Try harder.
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>>13731602
>The armored core games are complete shit though
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>>13729131
There were two resin statues of clan mechs and there are a bunch of papercrafts of a wider range of this franchise's robots. The rest were toys based on the cartoon.
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>>13731571
As someone that just tried the war game last week I can tell you this. Yes it's fun but it's almost too detailed. It takes hours just to play with a few machines on each side because of all the records you have to keep.

I'm told that there's a dumbed down version called alpha strike that's more like Warhammer. Maybe that will allow me to play out my delusions of companies fighting each other with infantry, artillery, and air support.
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>>13731571
It is, plus with the rules for designing 'mechs you could actually make an approximation of mobile suits and use all your gunpla. One time we used a bunch of gunpla's stated out with the alpha strike rules and the movement doubled to play some grunt on grunt action
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>>13732106
> It takes hours just to play with a few machines on each side because of all the records you have to keep.


Yes, first time play takes pretty long. Try megamek - the software supported version. Takes care of all the bookkeeping.
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Talk about Battletech on /vg/ or /tg/. /m/ is only for kawaii nippon mecha piloted by angsty teenagers. Its right next to /a/ in terms of board quality (none)
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>>13732156
Doesn't battletech/MW fall into the category of mecha though?
If that's not the case, nobody should be allowed to talk about super robot wars, because it's a /vg/
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The threads aren't usually this butthurt and are more sleepy. But we've also had much worse battletech threads in the past, like trying to force Battletech vs Gundam arguments.

/m/ just goes in cycles.
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I wish there were posable toys of this kind of mech, instead of miniatures
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>>13732246
Without a movie or Tv show, there is less of a reason to make toys for them.
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>>13732278
Are there any other setting similar with similar mechs?
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>>13732284
You can always get the Macross and Dougram toys and put the correct insignia on them. Machines from both settings are part of the universe after all.
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>>13732284
Yeah. But those don't have toys either.

Earth Siege, Star Siege, used BT like mechs. There are a bunch of RTS that use mechs. A few other games that had mechs that didn't sell as well as mech warrior.
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>>13729784
I like the game. However, the art and the worldbuilding, the lore, the fiction... heck, even parts of the game itself, and most disappointingly, the fandom have poisoned the well time and again.

I just don't know why a game as fine as BattleTech draws such unsalvageable personalities around it.
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>>13730068
Man, I never understood the whole "climb on top of your mech to look cool" trope. A gust of wind, and it's a 15 meter fall on to hard, cold ground, or worse, the hardened armor plating feet of your own robutt.
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>>13732596
We need to bring back our draw threads. They make amazing stuff.
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>>13729784
For me it's the fans.

Almost all BT fans I had displeasure of interacting with had a huge REALISM hardon and pretended like their robots and setting were more plausible, gritty and realistic than silly weeaboo fightan robots and that somehow made them far superior.

I realize more chill BT fans exist but sadly I've yet to meet them.
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>>13732660
I distanced myself from other BT fans after every single player I had to deal with forced, ah... "American-styled conservatism" everywhere. I don't know what it is about BT that draws frothy racist-misogynists, but it seems to be a thing.
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People obsessed with the Idea of Battletech, and keep insisting it is a super realistic property with real world politics and intrigue and far superior to blah, blah blah are pretty crappy.

But it's fine when you find fans who realize battletech is kind of retarded, but find that is part of it's charm. People who realize the rules are a mess, and the miniatures look like shit, but just roll with it, instead of trying to claim it's perfect.

>>13732757
I've never ran into that.
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>>13732757
I'm willing to bet the age group of the vocal minority of Battletech players is 40 to 50 year old arm chair generals so that could be a big factor. In all it's no less terrible than other fandoms, just a different kind of retarded.

Instead of stupid 14 year olds playing 40k with daddy's money it's 54 year old deluded NRA members.
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>>13732246

The miniatures from the old click-base version of the game usually had working waist and arms - probably the next closest thing after the Macross/Dougram stuff mentioned earlier.

Also it's not hard to pop them off the bases and/or repaint or mod them.
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>>13732660
I blame Mechwarrior!

I mean I love the games, but it's the only way I can figure people would get such a misconception, since reading most of the actual TT fluff it becomes quickly obvious the setting is haeavy on pulp sci-fi and general ridiculousness. It's toned down a bit over the years, but it's definitely still there.
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>>13732887
Genius anon.
Pure genius
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>>13732816
Mmm. There was a lot of genuine "american rebel"-sentiment around, like seceding from the union and returning to the constitution, but I never understood why it always mated with so much hate. Hate towards women, racial minorities, foreigners, enviromentalists, educated people, city people, liberals, republican conservatives, natives, the establishment, law, government, pop culture, foreign culture, foreign foods, other religions, and in general everything that moved. And they considered themselves conservatives, somehow, despite wanting to shoot everything that ever existed.
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>>13733009
Some people get frustrated, worked up by things happening in their lives, and bring that into their hobbies.
Nothing new under the sun.
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>>13733009
I'm starting to wonder if you are making this shit up. I've never seen anything like this, with any table game. Even with tablegames with notoriously shitty players. The shit you are saying would get someone kicked out of the store in an instant.
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>>13732106
>Yes it's fun but it's almost too detailed
I understand this viewpoint, but coming from other wargames, I really appreciate the depth. Everything else has a level of abstraction for the sake of streamlining that BattleTech decides to ignore. If your main gun stops working, it's because a specific attack critted a specific location on your mech, not because you rolled the "main gun no work" result on a chart. There's a large array of unit types, and they all manage to be useful and vulnerable in their own different way. Then there's stuff like artillery, electronics, minefields, spotting, and all the other levels that you can attack your opponent that isn't just bringing more gun than your opponent.

Plus deep unit creation rules, which just doesn't happen in wargaming.
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>>13733587
I don't play BT but I fucking love the rules for that exact reason.

It's wild and crazy and super crunchy and when you let your imagination run wild with it you can do some profoundly entertaining stuff.
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There are a lot of guys in here solely responsible for the mecha genre being a niche.

Rather than over analysing how the mechanics of their artistic work doesn't concur with engineering fundamentals... just enjoy it. If a rig looks awesome, packed with weight, firepower and like it should have an engine oil covered, pretty mech pilot inside, what not let it be?
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>>13732890
i feel like this artist was drawing some macross fanart and then he had a stroke and when he woke up it was pirates vs ninjas
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The game is fun but dear god it's like the artists went out of their way to make the mechs uglier than they should be.

I'm suspicious the artists did it out of spite because I honestly can't think of a reason to make a walking death machine look like a headless chicken.
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>>13734237
FASA was cheap. Really fucking cheap. Though it's not like Catalyst is any better. Art direction is a foreign concept it seems.
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>>13729131
>Toys
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>>13734418
At least nowadays hiring good fan artists has become a thing.
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>>13732757
>racist-misogynists

Am I on tumblr?
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>>13732887
Plus they should be dirt cheap to buy at this point.
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>>13734444
Yes

Nice quads m8 damn
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>>13729131
>>13734425
http://www.forbes.com/sites/olliebarder/2015/12/10/shoji-kawamori-the-creator-hollywood-copies-but-never-credits/
Reminder Battletech stole designs since they're too lazy and talent-less to create their own.

>“Around this time I also heard about how some of my Macross designs were used in BattleTech. It seems that the company that held the rights to use only the packaging design of the plastic model broadly misinterpreted that. As they thought that anything on the packaging could be used elsewhere. So a lot of different designs appeared to have been replicated. Naturally, I didn’t approve of any of it and only found out about it third hand. It’s not something I can talk about openly, as this possibly became a court case.”
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>>13734444
This shit has been spammed on /m/ constantly lately.
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>>13733246
He's probably exaggerating and demonizing everything in his little tumblrite brain. The amount of irrational fear and phobia that tumblrites exhibit suggests most of them should be tossed into a mental care facility, permanently.

I'm willing to bet it was just some west hicks whining about the feds as westerners do. Something about MUH LAND probably.
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>>13733009
Please go back to your safe space.
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>>13734584
The best part is, sometimes you can't tell if they're being ironic or not, though I think they're serious more often then not, which is actually worrying
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>>13734475
>all those poor poor Cheyennes in the Delta preview
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>>13734664
Yep. Hard to tell if it's goons or sincere.
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>>13734769
Goons died in the Jihad though.
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>>13734772

>Char Aznable
>Jerid Messa
>Scirocco
>Hayato Kobayashi
>Emma Sheen

All-Stars.
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>>13734475
>Around this time I also heard about how some of my Macross designs were used in BattleTech.

Kawamori didn't design any of the Destroids.
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>>13734873
Battletech's used some VF designs on occasion, too.
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>>13734881
The Stinger and Wasp, yeah. Also the Phoenix Hawk and Crusader, I think?

But they are easily the weakest of the original Unseen. Kinda bland in my opinion. The Reseen Crud is one of the few that I'd say is better than the Unseen.
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>>13731671
They are.
>They control like shit (no they don't just have a high skill requirement or a steep learning curve. they control BADLY)
>The story is boring as all fuck
>The designs are just less imaginative versions of the same shit you see in gundam

The only thing those games have is good customization. I'll absolutely give them that. But that doesn't make up for how retarded they look and how fucking horrifying they feel to control.
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>>13734936
V/VD had much better controls

Shame there's like five people who still play ACVD. On weekends. Sometimes.
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>>13734936
>>>/trash/
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>>13734977
I think if you put that series on PC with mouse and keyboard controls and steam workshop integration allowing for mods that add new parts. Holee shit you got a game on your hands.
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>>13735086
>Japs
>Making good vidya decisions
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>>13735109
It seems silly. but wouldnt you say less silly than five years ago. I mean after dark souls hit look at steam. There are lots of japanese and jrpgs hitting that. FF13 and its sequels, dragon quest heroes, dynasty warriors, way of the samurai, dark souls 1 and 2, naruto, dbz, one piece. Not to mention super japanese shit like mugen souls, hyperdimension neptunia, and fairy fencer f. And thats just like a few of em. Dragons dogma is coming soon so at this point all the major japanese devs and a number of smaller ones are throwing stuff on pc in a way that woulda been fucking unheard of half a decade ago.

So maybe....FUCKING MAYBE OKAY IT COULD HAPPEN DONT BE SUCH A DOWNER
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>>13734664
We have a lot of /co/ crossposting because of Transfags. The Transformers kind, not the trans kind.
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Good lord I want this guy to do more art.
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>>13735459
Dragon, Victor, Longbow?
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>>13735488
The second one is apparently a Gallowglas.

I wish it kept the neck, personally.
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>>13733246
Take a look at >>13734444, >>13734624, >>13734636 et cetera if you really have to ask.

It's a sensitive issue that attracts shitposting by the truckload, but yes, these cleetus-caricature players are true and many.
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>>13734936
>The designs are just less imaginative versions of the same shit you see in gundam
This is rich coming from a Battletech fag. Your designs are just walking gun turrets. The same shit you see in every western mecha franchise. ACs at least have a unique aesthetic to them.
>They control like shit (no they don't just have a high skill requirement or a steep learning curve. they control BADLY)
Only if you can't get used to using the shoulder buttons for camera control. Once you play the games with right stick cameras or better yet emulate the game and remap the aiming to the right stick the ACs feel great to control.
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>>13729784
i dont, ive been a fan since i was a kid, im almost 40 now
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>>13735583
>Take a look at >>13734444, >>13734624, >>13734636 et cetera if you really have to ask.
I see no racism, misogyny, xenophobia, right wing extremism etc from those posts. Maybe some mockery of the mentally ill in the second post.

And even if their posts did contain those things (which they do not) this is a fucking image board, and are really representative of what happens in real life.
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>>13735646
Hold up:
SPACE BATTLES WITH WESTERN MECHA?#!
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>>13735646
>Wait, they can fight in space
Technically, but not effectively.
Stone is just batshit. He doesn't even have any jets on that thing.
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>>13735646
>>13735653
>didn't watch the cartoon or tried to forget it
Can't say I blame you.
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>>13735658
>Stone is just batshit.
Gee I hadn't noticed

Takes a madman to fight a madman I guess.
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>>13735681
To everyone who hates battle tech vehemently...
IN WHAT UNIVERSE IS THAT NOT COOL?!
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>>13735685
Different strokes, man.

Don't worry too hard about it, the entire argument is subjective anyways.
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>>13735681
>that Gurkha running off to introduce someone to a sword
Go little guy go!
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>>13735685
Why does it have hands if it doesn't hold any weapons with it?
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>>13735782
Standing up, mostly.
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>>13735782
Adding to that, why the glass cockpits? That's the dumbest shit.
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>>13735685
To be fair it's newer art. The Older art is pretty retarded.
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>>13735639
At this point I could bring recorded conversations with these people, if I had such, and you'd still call me a liar and a tumblerite.

But that's just fine. You can do that. I found myself unable to play BattleTech because of that, but as it is the players that make the game, in the end it was not good enough to be worth enduring.
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>>13735791
>Glass
It's supposed to be either transparent metal or some sort of composite.
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>>13735869

That one soldier with the thousand yard stare. Never gets old.
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>>13735904
I'm not indirectly accusing most of BT players of being like that, I'm saying they are, /btg/ included. Being completely direct here. And the "reception in this thread" is just reacting over being called out.

And note that I haven't even gotten started on the furries, "roleplayers", armchair generals, grognards, the devs themselves, Herb, and the rest of the fandom. It really is the biggest gaggle of human failure out there.
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>>13735939
You'll excuse me if I fail to see the example of three people in this thread telling someone to go back to tumblr as equivalent to being racist, misogynistic, etc.
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>>13735939
Are you equating factionfagging with outright racism?
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>>13735939

Woah their champ. Want to show us where the Atlas assaulted you?
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What does /m/ think of Tau battlesuits?
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>>13735658
>>13735653
Yeah, it's basically not a good idea because everything that flys has more guns, speed and armour than robots and you can't lawndart in space.
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>>13736085
I never understood that. I suppose there can be some less-than-obvious system of jet propulsion available through fusion reactor technology, but I still fail to see how making a 100 ton brick fly is easier than to make it walk.
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>>13736212
Not having legs and their different structural requirements to carry the load seems to favour them.
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I'd like to see more Japanese redesigns of Battletech mech's. Not because I think they'd be inherently better mind you, but I'm just curious. This is the only one I know of besides the official ones, and he's dead now so....
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>>13735086
>playing AC
>with m+kb

absolutely hideous
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>>13735782

For looting. Battlemechs are expensive and the Inner Sphere isn't good at making new ones, so stealing the remains of defeated ones is a big thing in Battletech.
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>>13737369
I should amend this statement to eastern redesign since apparently he was Korean
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>>13736065
>>13736092
Riptide or get out.
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>>13737400
I really like this image.

>>13737369
I miss Jilpoong.
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>>13735653
Yeah, there's even specialized space warfare variants from one of the factions that specializes in that.

That pic, though, is Devlin Stone being his usual madman self and engaging in space combat without any thrusters.
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>>13738898

I'd so love to see a UM-R60L in there with a AC20.

Fucking love that little trashcan with an AC20 in Mechwarrior Online.
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>>13742594
I've never had any luck with the R60L on the board game.
Just gimme a Hetzer.
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>>13738898
Here, have an animated version.

https://youtu.be/0pyCsu0QRO0
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>>13729131
Wait, like Society mechs?
I actually really like how fucking wonky-looking the Pariah is. Just lookit those arms.
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>>13747564
They're made for karate chopping.
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Dumping CCG art, because like the Gundam War CCG, occaisionally the card art for Battletech was better than the actual official art.

Sometimes it wasn't.

Let's not pretend otherwise.

But sometimes, it was actually pretty good.
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>>13747942
>awesome shooting out of the hand
>green PPC beams
REEEEEEEE
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>>13748745
It could be that awful 3050 Awesome with the SSRM in the hand.
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>>13747951
Purple Bird stronk
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>>13747946

I fucking LOVE the Awesome. It's so pretty in an ugly way. It makes me think of a cabover truck, or if someone took a pillbox and gave it limbs. Just a walking wall of fuck you.
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>>13748787
The -9M isn't -bad-, it's just not really an Awesome.
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>>13749412
Awesome pilot reporting in! I barely see others. I agree with the pillbox reference. That sheer mass.
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>>13747564
The Pariah was literally made to punch shit after it alphas.
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