GARO Anime Omake and Bar Talk
>Goldstorm Bar Talks
>DDL's for series and movies
>Anime End Cards
>But how do I get into the series?
First season or the Anime, Gomenrider subs for first season and Over Time for everything afterwards
>Biku Movie Trailer
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>Watch order for series
>New Zero TV series coming soon
>Makai Retsuden Show coming soon
>HnK movie Garo: Divine Flame announced for spring
So, Guren no Tsuki is halfway into its run. Does anyone really have any high hopes for the 2nd half? I think it's fairly safe to say that so far this has been by far the weakest entry in the series.
Just from the new armor model it looks like one of GnT's most glaring flaws is getting more or less remedied, but I'm still not really feeling any tension or hype from the plot or the action.
Douman still seems like he has absolutely zero depth or goal or really anything at all to say or do other than "muh darkness" and even with his "mid-series first real conflict" with Raikou this episode, he doesn't seem particularly interesting or threatening as a "force" either. Every single other antagonist before him has had more presence both as a character and as a threat by this point. Even Kiba and Eiris, who weren't really even there until the last little bit of their series, at least had a little bit of lore around them to make them seem impressive.
And none of the main cast seems particularly bothered with stopping him, either. Even after his big slaughter this week, neither Raikou nor Seimei seemed to care at all about what he did, other than Raikou being mad at Seimei for letting people die.
It feels like nothing has happened in the past 13 episodes other than Yasusuke leaving the capital then coming back to become a Knight.
I'm sure it will get better once the writer changeover happens and we get a model that isn't garbage, but right now I can't see myself saying GnT is better than anything else.
I want to say Yamitera is still worse but Yamitera's last 5 or so episodes were really strong so who knows. I will say that Guren no Tsuki has by far the worst action scenes of any season of Garo.
Doughman is a pretty lame villain, his master seems like a far more interesting character than him to the point where I'm starting to wonder if it's intentional on the shows part.
Yasusuke is pretty much the only member of the main cast I really like so far. Everybody else is just kind of okay.
Atleast the OST is still god tier
>I want to say Yamitera is still worse but Yamitera's last 5 or so episodes were really strong so who knows.
Yamitera got it's shit together in the second half in general, to the point I enjoyed the hell out of it after slogging through the first half.
The second half will probably be way better than the first.What Michinaga is planning to do hasn't been revealed yet.Douman's lack of personality is maybe intentional and is most likely hinting at him being brainwashed by his master.There is no way there won't be an episode about their relationship.
Not really high hopes but I'm expecting a wild ride since it's supposed to be Inoue Time from now on.
I don't really think second half will be much better. I've decided to drop it so far but I'll still watch the threads - maybe something really WILL happen. Right now I see Guren no Tsuki as the lowest point of the franchise. I can't even bring myself to hate it - I'm simply bored and tired by it. Basically the only redeeming feature I see is Seimei and her shenanigans, and it's really not much overall.
As there's still no real story behind Guren no Tsuki. Douman and his master do not get any more clear about their intentions, Mitsunaga still cares only about the palace... We finally got a conflict (Raikou-Seimei) but it will either be easily solved next episode either it's resolution will be horribly and dramatically delayed until the very last episodes and they won't be able to talk it out because Inoue is still there.
Makai no Hana was fun as fuck man, Guren no Tsuki is pretty dull
>I think it's fairly safe to say that so far this has been by far the weakest entry in the series.
Weaker than Yamitera? Damn, that season was fucking awful, a bunch of anime cliches blend together
Rate the seasons
Garo, Makai Senki, Honoo no Kokuin
Makai no Hana, Goldstorm
Yamitera, Guren no Tsuki
I still can't understand why people think that Yamitera is garbage and Makai no Hana is great .
Makai no Hana had a few great individual episodes (the horror movie and manga ones come to mind), but overall I found it kind of dull and messy. I think the worst part of it is how they handled Crow when they remembered he existed. Even in the one true focus episode he got, Jesus Saejima stole his kill.
Don't forget the biggest asspull in the whole franchise. The only thing that pisses me off in Yamitera was Takeru and Aguri being nothing but jobbers, the idea of a makai knight sentai sounded so cool but it was poorly executed.
Because Yamitera is garbage and Makai no Hana is great, it's pretty simple Anon
Amemiya/Saejima cocksucking and actual suit fapping.
Jokes aside, YamiTera as a standalone story is a damn solid entry. Easily over Makai no Hana, Gold Storm or Black Blood. The reason behind the hate is mainly GARO fandom bias. Try making a bunch of people who doesn't know GARO watch any of those at random and YamiTera is bound to come up in a rather high place with the major drawback being the Buffy masks. You think all those shows with actual suits are much better for the sole reason of having them in, but truth is that for nontokufags the level of rubber suits used in GARO look as goofy and ridiculous as the worst CGI and the Buffy mask. As long as it's evident that it's a person in disguise, they will laugh at it (for some reason I think original GARO series handled the suits better in this last regard, with MnH being the opposite). If YamiTera wasn't part of a stablished franchise, handled in a way vastly different from the other entries, it wouldn't be nearly as much shat on as it's right now.
At least that had great scenes of the good guys getting beaten up.
You're wrong. I watched everything without any kind of contact with the fanbase, and still hated the shit out of YamiTera. You can't just chalk its issues on "Saejima's cuck-sucking."
Makia Senki was the last good Garo TV show. YamiTera was a mess, an horrid mess, and Makai no Hana was just dull. Gold Storm had its moments but is just as bad as thr other two.
The anime (at least the first show ) is quite good, but I don't believe is fair to compare it against the live action tv shows.
I actually really like Hana and Goldstorm but I can see why you'd dislike them, they've certainly got their problems
Then what makes you think Inoue doesn't write his stories based on sponsors, producers, and directors' requests?
Both Kobayashi and Inoue don't making up shit without the nods from the people above.
>Like everything Garo except Yamitera
feels good man
>Try making a bunch of people who doesn't know GARO watch any of those at random and YamiTera is bound to come up in a rather high
>bunch of people
>You're wrong. I watched everything without any kind of contact with the fanbase, and still hated the shit out of YamiTera.
First. Your case by no means prove me wrong. But I think you missread my statement.
Second. Maybe I didn't express myself right, but I didn't mean interaction with the fandom was the issue, but fans being accustomed to previous GARO entries and thus unwilling to accept relatively heavy changes. If I get you right, you watched all of GARO chronologically, so you don't even count for the experiment I was proposing. I meant taking a lot of people who have no idea about GARO and making them watch those random shows. I feel like MnH and Black Blood relay too much on people already liking GARO, while I think YamiTera has a solid standalone story which gives enough setting context on its own. MnH makes a good job exposing the setting, bu fails at story. Black Blood could be considered somewhat acceptable storywise, but lacks enough setting explanations. Gold Storm is kind of like Makai no Hana but more story driven, however its story wasn't that good and it dragged from having the final bosses sticking around from too early. I think all the works in consideration here are more or less in a draw character-wise.
I don't really hate Makai no Hana. I loved Raiga because he was like a mix between Kaoru and Kouga (personality-wise), and liked the fact that it's implied that he didn't wanted to be a Makai Knight. It does has its issues (like don't doing anything with what I just mentioned) but nothing as insulting as YamiTera that makes you root for the children murderer villains, as someone else has eloquently said so.
Gold Storm issues are having a way more interesting villain than anyone on the main cast, Ryuga and Rian having as much of a personality as a brick has (that comes out of nowhere and doesn't follow their movie characterization) and having side characters being jobbers and, frankly, quite boring.
Because there are similarities between the different shows they've worked on that reveal their influence. Though you'd be a fool to credit the writer as the person for all the ideas like most folks do.
True because those 2 are known to make wacky dysfunctional world stories in the business.
There are also many things which needs to be taking into consideration.
Toku/anime are end products made by directors translating the writers work with their own imagination plus influence from people from the above, including their teachers.
Novelized titles are end products written by writers with the influence from people from the publisher and committee.
Just like other otaku products productions are playing safe and ordered the writers to write template stories that worked in the pass with minor tuning.
To say one is really bad at "writing" the only thing people can get a reference to is the writers' original work titles. Unless /m/ has experience with those it is "unjust" to brand someone doing a "bad job".
I want Makai Knights of the Round Table, even though that sounds too obvious. If done as Garo it would probably end with Arthur turning into a super horror that gets sealed under the lake with his own sword, which would certainly be distinct.
I don't think that would be possible if I remember correctly makai knights aren't supposed to get involved in human world politics.
Rasputin as a horror sounds fucking rad though.
I wonder how long it was until Alfonso got... whatever it is they do to knights that did that.
You're getting confused. The law you're referrig to is simply that Knights don't judge humans. So for example they can't act as Knights to stop an evil dictator as long as he's human. They only deal with Horrors. Alfonso is a Knight who happened to also be the legitimate heir to Valiante's throne. He lives his normal daily life as prince because that's his normal human job. When he, as Valiante's prince, gets information which could be related as a Horror case, he, as a Makai Knight, investigates it further and dispose of the Horror if there was one. He's not breaking any rule.
>no new OP
They have already announced before Christmas the new OP and ED will be on air on 1/22 starting episode 15.
Fun that no one has paid attention to the announcement.
MnH had really good one-shot episodes but the main plot didn't really move forward and for some, shit was boring. Also Crow being a bit of wasted potential, although not as bad as fuckin' Giga.
Yamitera had a lot of bad. CGI was really weird, the horrors were just people in rubber masks or weird mouths via bad CGI, and the protagonist team were a bunch of goobers except for Burai. Especially Zen. However, it did have positives still like say, based Sonshi, Zen and Gai's armor designs being sex, the AV Idol Horror who turned into other AV Idols depending on your fetish, and Bright Hope.
The armour designs were good but they were usually on screen for 20 seconds at best which killed the hype pretty bad. That's actually one of my big gripes with Yamitera is that it has barely any good armour fights thanks to the choice to use CG
I actually remember not liking it initially because of how drastic a change in tone it is from the rest of the series. Going back, it's a great movie it just requires a bit of change in mindset
>change of mindset
after watching the movie I suddenly have the feeling that Kouga Saga and Raiga prequel are actually fictional stories written by makai priest Mitsuki Yuuji, for the kids in a broken world like the one in Yamitera to give them hope.
I wouldn't say they are entirely fictional but their feats and strength probably got exaggerated in universe over time
For me the redeeming factors of Makai no Hana was
>Jesus Saejima was a incredibly fun protag
>MotW episodes are some of the strongest in the series, with stuff like the Manga Horror and Movie Horror standing
>Crow provides a good insight into a sect of the Makai Knights we'd never seen before.
>Suits and general designs are some of the series strongest
And while I'm at it here are my negatives:
>Despite having a lot of interesting aspects to him, Raiga isn't developed that well at all
>The actual plot of the show doesn't start until the last three episodes
>Crow's teacher is sorely underutilized and should've made more appearances throughout the season to give him more impact
>Biku is only given one episode
That's it. Makai no Hana isn't amazing or anything like that, but I'd say it's a really solid, fun season to watch and a big breath of fresh air after Yamitera
I liked MnH overall, but one of my biggest gripes that I don't see people mention a lot is how Mayuri serves almost entirely to be a damsel in distress.
I noticed while I was watching it that maybe every other horror, Mayuri would somehow find a way to end up being captured or taken hostage so that Raiga can heroically save her. I remember the Movie Horror one being especially ridiculous, and one other, I think maybe the Flower Artist.
Kaoru was SUPPOSED to be used as bait, though. She had a plot reason to be constantly attacked by horrors, and most of the time it was before she understood how horrors work and it was out of her control. Mayuri was a lot of awkwardly stumbling into obvious traps of her own volition, or not putting up any amount of fight when a horror tries to take her away.
After those couple of episodes I always thought that there were 3 tiers of knights
They all look like bums, have no tittle/armor and sole job is to cut down gates or evil infused things like what Kouga did that one episode and possibly take on the lower generic horrors.
They look slighty more decent like the guy in the middle of this picture >>13733525 they have a generic armor and have no tittle they probably deal with slightly stronger horrors as well as cutting down gates.
This are like Kouga and Rei They look way more decent and of higher status. They have a unique armor only to them with a unique tittle that needs to be passed on to someone else. They deal with stronger "Named" Horrors. Since knights don't really "kill" the horrors they just send them back to the makai realm or whatever some of those may comeback to the surface as some of them are documented in books and shit.
>Since knights don't really "kill" the horrors they just send them back to the makai realm or whatever some of those may comeback to the surface as some of them are documented in books and shit.
I've always wondered about that, since I've only seen the first Toku series-- is it ever brought up in the other Toku shows, of a Horror that had a grudge against one particular line of knights, coming back to exact revenge?
IIRC Saji In Makai Senki and Makai no Hana is the closest to that. He comes back to destroy the GARO line and it is implied that he had try to many times before but I'm not 100% if he is a horror or some inner darkness thing.
I remember hearing somewhere that Knights living in one place like the Saejimas and Rei are unusual, and most of them -are- nomadic bums living with very few material possessions.
There's a recurring Horror called Zaji, I think, that shows up in Makai Senki and MnH. If I remember right, it's basically the Horrors' collective hatred for Garo given form that shows up every now and then to challenge the then-current Golden Knight.
Saved Kouga who was about to be killed by two of Sigma's robots, did an awesome horned headbutt on a mook horror, and I think was the one who brought up the magic arrow attack that the knights used to beat Gabon. But that last one might've been Jabi, I don't remember.
What do people want to see for Retsuden anyway? I kinda want one of the episodes to be set during Rei's training of Raiga, would be a lot of fun
Considering that Ryume is supposed to be super old, is there any chance she might show up in some other Garo's era?
There's always the possibility, much like how the Watchdogs are eternal
Also, I kinda liked Rian at first but seeing Ryume in Goldstorm changed all that. Too fucking cute.
Guys like Dan shining and probably a bit of Rei training shenanigans with Raiga.
Maybe a pre-blackened Kiba episode on its heroics unless that never really happened.
>pre blackened Kiba
See, this doesn't make any sense to me because I thought they explained in his standalone movie that Kiba was a purely dark armor given to him by a Horror. He wasn't a "good" Kiba before then.
Seriously, it's really jarring how completely different end-of-Yamitera Ryuga, Goldstorm movie Ryuga, and Goldstorm series Ryuga are as characters. Not even different writers should cause this much of a disparity.
It's not about the writers.
Character of Gold Storm (TV) Ryuga is completely Amemiya's doing. Due to his "new vision about life and death" you will see more of that in later Garo(s).
It's amusing in a really sick way:
>"Hey, we have this Ryuga guy whose development stopped at a good point on his series, what if we change his personality in the movie and in the next tv show?"
>"Because we can. That's why!">>13740708
Honestly movie Ryuga was about what I expected him to act like given more time and experience,. Series Ryuga was the weird one, still cool just kind of jarring initially
Series Ryuga had very little in the way of character beyond "GRRR ANGRY." Movie Ryuga was still the impulsive, wisecracking idiot he was in Yamitera, but he was clearly seasoned and wiser.
It was all just a coincidence. The real savior was Masahiro!
stalker for garo anime even stalker forgot to put it in front page last season. And it seems still below 1k but i notice the actual price for garo bds are actually pricier 8100 yen
Maybe this guy, too.
It isn't by general anime standards, but it's fantastic by Garo standards due to its greater focus on developing and exploring its characters and world (something the toku entries often fail at) over monster of the week shenanigans.
To be fair, HnK still had a lot of MotW, it was just integrated into the story a lot more than usual
But the toku MOTW shenanigans were great. I'd never think that " this one speaks English because he's played by a white guy" would make for memorable scenes.
>Any reason why they gave up making any Garo games after the PS2 one?
Didn't turn enough of a profit, I suppose. The rest of the franchise is entirely dependent on the pachinko, too, so the only way we're ever getting another game is if Amemiya throws that sweet, sweet gambling money at a studio. The odds on that seem pretty low to me.
Same reason why there hasn't been any Berserk games since the PS2 either. Console games aren't very popular in Japan, so unless there's an overseas market too then it doesn't really have a basis of existence financially.
>Same reason why there hasn't been any Berserk games since the PS2 either
That's a lie. I played Dragon's Dogma on PS3 and that was a Berserk game. It even had the armours and weapons in it.
I'm pissed they've been removed from the PC version.
I can now recall that Funimation got Reuben Langdon for the DMC anime, which makes me wonder if they could get Dan Southworth to play anyone...
Garo is actually pretty niche. It's been almost canceled several times due to a lack of funding, only to be brought back from the red thanks to Japan's rampant gambling addiction.
Maybe he'll actually be cool this episode
I like the idea of different base form variations for Garo, helps make the different wearers feel more distinct while still keeping the core armour intact
It's a little weird how we now have the reverse of HnK. Leon's original form was different from the classic design and was weaker, and he was stronger and more stable once it becomes the Garo we know. Now Raikou in his new, different form is stronger and more in control than he was in the normal Garo.
Even in these different forms, they're still recognizably Garo. Even Ryuga's Lost Shine looked different even though it was just supposed to be a black Garo. I like keeping the classic design to the Saejimas, since the armors are supposed to change shape depending on the user anyway.
The huge armguards remind me a lot of Scarf Garo (What is that forms name again?)
I don't think it has one other than "Leon Ver". We still haven't figured out what this thing's name is in a way that makes sense in English, either.
I think the phrase is more accurately something flowery and complicated like "two souls as one strengthen a single body." It's a couple of words in Japanese but it just doesn't translate well in English.
This design is fucking great, but the neck guards on the helmet kinda kill it for me. Remove those and make the helmet look a little more Garo-ey, and this would easily be one of the best designs Garo has.
This paper doll thing is my favourite character
Yori being pretty based this episode
Yasusuke is pretty on point this episode
New armor is pretty cool.
And have better CG than the old one, which makes me wonder if this means we'll have longer fights in Part 2.
Caught this nice frame
Seimei a best, also wow they really saved the budget for this episode, it actually looked pretty damn good
I'd say Kouga is better but I wouldn't really argue your point, they're both fucking awesome
Sure what was there was much better than usual.
But there was about a minute of animation, the fight was just them jumping off-screen, then blurring across it to land and pose, then immediately take off the armour.
Hopefully the next episode will have a proper fight.
Oh snap, it's Hexadecimal!
But Kouga, Ryuga, Raiga all never spends too much time using their armor till things got real. They were all used for finishing moves more or less until a big threat came out.
It was mostly Leon and friends that spent heaps of time in their suits.
Yes, I was about to point that too. In the live action, Garo is used as a glorified finisher until the "final boss fight." That's why it had the 99 seconds limit, that they totally ignore whenever it suits them.
That's why I used "glorified finishers" the armors do fight, but is not a long fight, and is there just to finish the horror. I mean, in the first season fights were longer, but since Makai Senki fights were getting progressively shorter until the current state. Of course, Guren no Tsuki is the worst offender on this, up there with YamiTera.
I mean, to be fair, even if it's had a few high points recently, I don't think it's been a particularly GOOD series so far. I definitely would've dropped it by a few episodes in if it was just something I was watching and not part of a series I'm loyal to.
The plot doesn't exist, the art looks horrible both drawn and cg, and none of the characters save for Yasusuke and recently Seimei are particularly interesting or likable. And none of the fights have really been anything interesting or intense either, so it's not like the action is a draw.
I can't imagine the show is very good from the perspective of somebody who isn't already a fan. And if you're somebody who was drawn in by HnK, Guren no Tsuki is a HUGE step down in pretty well every sense.
All garo series have a slow first half and a fast second half(except makai no hana, this one is slow all the way). Only when the series reach the final arc we will be able to judge it properly.
The "normie" anime rating site is imdb. MAL forums is the site for casual watchers, especially the forums, but using it as a database and tracking site via Taiga is perfectly fine.
That being said, my halfway score for it is 6, so close to the average. >>13756380 touches on a few of the reasons why I don't really enjoy it, but I still think it's fine. Just not particularly good. Also, like >>13756411 says it's probably
hopefullygoing to get better in the second half, and the last episode was a bit better than usual. If it stays the same, then I'll definitely rate it lower though.
I'll admit to being drawn in by HnK, but I watched all of the Kouga shows and movies before GnT started, so the fact that it doesn't come close to the quality of HnK AND the Kouga shows really weighs down on it.
Usually the MotW stuff is strong enough to carry the non plot episodes though, Guren no Tsuki is pretty weak in that department outside of Yasusuke's first episode and the plague episode
That and Garo monster designs are generally pretty fucking radical
>Garo shooting eye lasers