So for some reason I wait a 1 year+ to finally watch the last

>Being happy about a Gundam show on /m/.

Run while you still can.

>>13727295

Even if you hated Unicorn for some reason I don't think you can gainsay that 30-45 minutes of /m/ porn in the beginning of the last ep.

>>13727291
>Liking unicorn on /m/

RUN ANON RUN NOW.

>>13727299
CGI.

>>13727291

/m/ tends to be full of the kind of faggot who masturbates furiously to the 08th MS Team and hates all the "weirdo space magic bullshit" in the mainline series despite the fact that it's been in UC since the beginning and if you hate newtype space magic you hate Gundam period.

It's like claiming you like Star Wars and hate Jedi.

>>13727291
I also really enjoyed it, start to finish. It's kind of divisive on /m/, but it resonated with me.

>>13727303

I only ever really noticed the CGI on some of the Unicorn/Banshee transformation sequences. That's just being autist-level picky.

>>13727291
/m/ tends to be full of the kind of faggot who masturbates furiously to the 0083: Stardust Memories and hates all the "CGI 3d bullshit" in the modern series despite the fact that it's been the industry standard for 10 years and if you hate CGI solely for the fact that it's CGI you have no taste.

It's like claiming you like Battlestar Galactica but hating the space battles.

>>13727304
I actually hate all the space magic bullshit, I really do. It's muted in 0079 until the last few episodes and even then it's never this flashy bullshit like the psychic weapon crap in later UC series.

But I was okay with it in Unicorn, because being a Newtype was mostly about communication and not weaponizing it.

>>13727291
I disagree
That scene was one of the most pretentious things I'd ever seen in Gundam, and made me never want to watch Gundam Unicorn ever again.
How fucking dare you pull this horseshit with this guy who hardly cared about his boy in the first place.

I watched it twice already.

CGI is a legit thing to complain in a series like, say, Knight of Sidonia.

If you're whining about CGI in Unicorn I strongly suspect you just have a brain tumor.

>>13727336
he groomed his son to be the unicorn's pilot and savior of the human race

it's only the mother who had a problem with that and took the son away

>>13727336

He did care about his son deeply. He only pulled back in order to let Banagher have his own destiny and life instead of the one his father had been planning for him, then it turned out to be the same anyways.

>>13727304
Gundam having weird magic bullshit is a thing that's been

What I don't like is that newer series don't try and make it a small part of a larger setting, but decide that NEWTYPES ARE THE END ALL BE ALL ANSWER TO EVERYTHING, and Welp, we GOTTA have a new goddamn newtype weapon that do the cool thing! I'm talking about shit like the Neo Zeong's "time travel" moment.

I'm willing to accept the idea of Axis not falling because of a "miracle", with everyone on the field deciding they can't let Axis fall, uniting and managing to push it back.
What I'm not fond of is taking that rare event and weaponizing it so your new Gundam can be cool too! It can even stop colony lasers! Then it turns into the Newtype God! The first part was bad enough, the second just makes me think of fanfiction. At least have the decency to end Unicorn Gundam's trail there by having it get destroyed or something. I'm not saying that just because I don't like it, but because the idea of doing something like that, and then ending the event with "oh, and it became even MORE powerful...But it didn't want to, so that's why it stopped!" makes me think of how a little kid would write in a Gundam in his favorite series

I get the idea that Newtypes are always going to be a part of the series, but even with all that, Newtypes have been a pretty big crutch in this series, and if you're not going to try and tone it down just a little, then it just becomes overblown and becomes more of a nusience. I don't like the excuses of people knowing where to go, or how much they love each other even though they just met, or this character is mental, but a newtype mind meld can reach their TRUE feelings just because they're Newtypes. At least try and write a little instead of using the tried and true tropes?

Also, I guess I'm butthurt because for Future UC's crime of not having most of this horseshit means that it gets banished to only showing up in crossover games,

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>>13727291

The irony was a good laugh.

>>13727345
>he groomed his son to be the unicorn's pilot and savior of the human race
Is that something a caring father would do? I didn't imagine that part where he got hooked up to wires a s a little kid, did I?

>>13727372
Human heart.

>>13727368

I wouldn't be surprised if the Late UC stuff is all just unofficially disavowed at this point. For all Unicorn's feelgood bluster the existence of F91 and Victory basically means they didn't change anything.

>>13727373
It's actually the grand-grandfather's idea (Syam). By the time Banana was born Syam was already in the freezer trying to prolong life. Then he remembered the vision he had when he drifted in space and encountered the Laplace Box. He realized it was a sign and so he was obsessed with meeting a NT.

Cardeas saw this opportunity and thought, well since Alberto was such a disappointment. Banana showed potential to be a NT, why not groom him to be my successor and show him to Grandfather. This way the Box would never have to leave Vist Mansion.

>>13727384
G-Reco means they basically didn't change anything.

You can't disavow Late UC because the point of Gundam is that nothing ever changes, humanity will always kill itself in the end.

>>13727399

Sort of. Things do finally change in Turn A, which always the end of all Gundam in all time lines.

I fuckin' love Turn A

>>13727399

No G-Reco just means Tomino can't change anything.

>>13727404
G-Reco is post-Turn-A.

>>13727399
Oh, they'll just retcon Late UC into ALTERNATE LATE UC and continue with a "Brand new UC story"
With more newtypes, zeon, and some references to other shit that happened in Gundam, and name drop a bunch of events, like they're common knowledge or regular people would be talking about them like they give a fuck (wink wink, viewers!)

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>>13727415

You can't trust anything that comes out of Tomino's mouth

>>13727416

Dude accept reality. People hate late UC because it /doesn't/ have Zeon, Newtypes, and all that shit. That's where the money is.

>>13727415
>The worst of it all, the dawn of mass cannibalism is post Turn A
all hope lost

>>13727423

Why would Tomino make it so Gundam always had an ultimate ending and then take it back, ugh.

>>13727404
G-Reco is a sequel to Turn A, set 500 after it.

If anything Turn A proves that nothing will ever change. G-Reco just says, "Even if nothing will change you kids should try to change it." Tomino's message only makes sense in a strange way if you consider the messages of each series.

MSG: Understanding alone can't change people's hearts or bring people together. They all have their own selifsh desires. (Amuro and Lalah, Salya and Char, Amuro and Char)
Zeta: People become what they fight (EFF, Kamille towards the end, Char)
ZZ: Grand ambitions and all the scheming in the world will amount to nothing because humans are narrow minded creatures. If anything it will only cause ruin and tragedy. (Desert arc explicitly talks about this, with that strange blonde dude who says he's a photographer or something, Haman, Glemmy, the AEUG and EFSF all suffer from this)
CCA: Humans have a great potential within them (Axis shock miracle was caused by the will of humanity, not just Amuro)
Victory: That potential could be to complete ruin everything (This one is probably a little shoehorned since Victory was a mess that Tomino tried to wreck, but following CCA it's pretty grim to see everything went to shit).
Turn A: Some people will seek conflict, some will seek peace even if they have to fight for it. This is true for all Gundam. (Self explanatory, covers the themes of the past Gundams and the title is literally translated to "For All Gundam".)

G-Reco: To the kids, don't be tied down by the history your society and predecessors have taught you, you should see the world (the present) with your own eyes and fight for what you believe it.

G-Reco is probably the most interesting one because it comes last in production and, according to Tomino, in the timeline.

>>13727437

G-Reco plays heavily with themes of history and the terrible consequences when people create an image of the world based only on history. Ex. the GIT Lab thinks that the earthnoids are war-loving savages because of records of how they ruined the Earth, even to the point that they fear the Earthnoids. Mask can't let go of his "MUH KUNTALA PURIDO" even though that's a thing of the past for the most part, and Mask saying that because Bellri descends from high-class (the Rayhuntons) he'll surely become a tyrant. Yes, G-reco plays with themes about prejudice and society, but it does so from by using time and history to frame these themes. In other words, rather than prejudice and societal norms being the root problem, it is history (albeit from a prejudiced and biased view) that causes prejudice and societal norms. So G-Reco takes the history of Gundam and says, "mind it, but judge the world by seeing the present for yourself."

On that note, Gundam never really has an anti-war message. It's treated as terrible, disastrous thing, but almost something that is basically inevitable because of human nature. And at the same time the hero (and others) must always take part in it and never shy away otherwise the world will come crashing down, literally. Most of the characters actually have an important character arc about engaging in their wars. Amuro goes through it early on, Kamille goes through his "violence won't solve anything" phase, Judau goes through it, even Usso laments the fact that his parents raised him to be naive.

>>13727421
I've accepted it. I just don't understand why.

I mean, quality of Late UC aside, is this all that Gundam is? Does the series, even after all this time, have to continuously circle around the same points effortlessly? I mean, Unicorn Gundam has a LITERAL Char clone? Hasn't this trope reached it's final course if it's gotten to the point that we're cloning the man in the series he's actually from? Would it have been too hard to try and write in an interesting villain instead of just copying a famous character and giving him a new name? Would that have taken out from Unicorn if we didn't have to have Not-Char and the Super Zeong to fight at the end of the day?


Is this what's keeping the idea of doing anything near Victory away? Just because it'd be harder to come up with a super secret Zeon colony or something?
I mean, I don't come to this series for it's poetry or whatever, but does the series have to be this stagnated and by the numbers?

>>13727304
>not watching star wars for the troopers and tie fightan

>>13727415
>G-Reco is post-Turn-A.

makes no sense

>>13727471

Unicorn was very specifically written as coda to the Federation/Zeon conflict that had previously ended with CCA. I would say it was a necessary piece of the chronology as CCA did still leave a few questions and lingering threads that Unicorn nicely resolved.

So in this light I would yes, it is okay for them to have a clone of char (Full Frontal is essentially the ghost of Char: the stubborn remnant of his image and style the neither the franchise nor the fans can let go of) along with all the throwbacks/fanservice/etc, all part of closing the gap.

With this, I would say nothing more needs to bed said about that era of the UC besides fun side stuff like Thunderbolt and what have you, but if another masked char clone shows up in /another/ UC series then sure, i'm with you.

Realistically though I expect the next thing to see from these Sunrise is finding more ways to wedge sidestories in between the existing UC stuff and eventually remaking old shows wholesale (I still think they're planning a 0079 remake one day, it's just too tempting).

So yeah, I agree that /now/ with Unicorn done we are at the zenith of the trope, but it was absolutely necessary to get us there.

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>>13727291
Unicorn ending was trite bullshit though.

>Also can't wait to build a PG Unicorn, Banshee and the Neo Zeong
See pic related.

>>13727480
You can't stop dark history from repeating itself.

I like the overall music, it's nice

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-TsJ0-Eyqc

It's too bad they don't fill some of the time gap between Unicorn and F91.

>>13727291
/m/ tends to be full of the kind of faggot who masturbates furiously to the posting about mecha and hates all the actual content in the modern series despite the fact that it's been the industry standard for 10 years and if you hate anything solely for the fact that it's a thing you can shitpost about you have no taste.
It's like claiming you like G-Reco but shitposting everywhere.