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>>13724461
Huh, would you look at that. Weird.
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dumb jenius poster
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Future winner of the deltabowl.
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>>13724461
>Mirage
>Mi rage
>Rage mi
>Rape mi
>Rape me

A proper name for a space elf.
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>>13724461
I get the sense that she's going to job hard in this one, which is too bad since I like her, but she smells strongly of insecurity and overcompensation.

This'll probably be to contrast with the I-couldn't-care-less MC who will effortlessly out do her in every category and still not care.

also does anybody else think that blondRanka might be a red herring for the love triangle, as she never really shows any interest in the MC and is obsessed with Walkure, and the actual third part is confident and capable Mikumo whom the MC will inevitably meet?

Also seeing as Mirage's VA is a singer, what are the odds she's going to get booted out of her VF at the end and have to play the unwilling idol to sing some crescendo song at the end for the MC to pull through?
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>>13724973
>but she smells strongly of insecurity and overcompensation.

well given her family that could be a really compelling motivation
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>>13725035

Yeah, really. If she is descended from Max and Millia, she could able to take any other pilot in the fleet in a fight and STILL be the runt of the litter because she couldn't take on ten more guys at the same time.

She doesn't just have to be good. Due to her background, everyone is going to expect her to be the hottest shit they have ever seen.

Thats got to be a lot of pressure.

Bonus points if she is one of the kids that M&M adopted rather than birthed, for that extra level of insecurity. "Oh, its okay. Everyone understands why you are not amazing. Its not like you are a REAL Jenius..."
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>>13725075
>descended from Max and Millia
maybe their late in life baby

Max and Millia having a meeting
Max: why do you have that look in your eye?
Millia: IKUYO!

>adopted
that could be intriguing too
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>>13725075
>Thats got to be a lot of pressure.

and a lot of the time its that pressure that keeps people from achieving what they're really capable of forces then to try and act a certain way in order to live up to that standard.

And this is an especially big deal in Japanese society.
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>>13725075
>Due to her background, everyone is going to expect her to be the hottest shit they have ever seen.
It would be better if that wasn't the case, and all the pressure just stems from herself because her name is attached to the legends.
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>>13725185

It's probably both.
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>>13725075
>Due to her background, everyone is going to expect her to be the hottest shit they have ever seen.
I dunno about that. Did anyone seriously think Mylene was any good?
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>>13725195
Well I hope it isn't.

I mean, pressure from the outside is pretty unfair, seeing as people aren't like their parents and even if they were they shouldn't be pushed to do the same things as they

However, giving what I've seen from the preview, I can kinda see the pressure being all from herself, since you know, every person in the galaxy that knows what Max and Millia did in their lives is gonna act amazed when she mentions her last name. It's like she thinks people are pressuring her when they just look surprised when they met one member of the famous family.
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Space elves are for
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>>13725221
HOT-BLOODED RIVALRIES
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>>13725221
not brown, who cares
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>>13725219
>I mean, pressure from the outside is pretty unfair,

Well that's the idea. The world isn't fair. I hate to be the one to break this too you but a lot of the time people, especially Japanese people, are held up to the lofty standards of their family.

Max and Milia where probably great to her but they're not here and the rest of the military is only going to know them via reputation and will thus expect similar things from Mirage.

> I can kinda see the pressure being all from herself, since you know, every person in the galaxy that knows what Max and Millia did in their lives is gonna act amazed when she mentions her last name. It's like she thinks people are pressuring her when they just look surprised when they met one member of the famous family.

and I certainly agree but this kind of pressure can't just come from one source. She has the external pressure of people expecting her to live up to her families legacy and her own pressure in not wanting to fall short of these expectations.

How many Jenus..es joined the military after MnM anyways? Mylene was only indirectly involved with them and was more interested in singing and Emeria fucked off to who knows where and was likewise more interested in singing.
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>>13724973
>unwilling idol

Her family has an affinity for the electric guitar. If she can't even into rock and has to be an idol she really is a fuck up.
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>>13725245
>implying green is worse than brown
>>>/tg/
Go back there with your pleb taste
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>>13725249
>How many Jenus..es joined the military after MnM anyways? Mylene was only indirectly involved with them and was more interested in singing and Emeria fucked off to who knows where and was likewise more interested in singing.
That's what I meant with it being unfair. We haven't seen other Jeniuses being under pressure from the outside, as most of them didn't a conflict of falling short. I could happen, as I wasn't denying the possibility nor that the world isn't unfair, but I think we'll see her struggle more with pressure from herself.
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>>13725283
>We haven't seen other Jeniuses being under pressure from the outside

We didn't see that many Jenuses who had anything to live up too. We saw Mylene who was the family baby and given free reign to do whatever and Emeria who bailed.

Mirage is the only one we know of that is actually following in the families footsteps so any one in the military who knows of Max and Miria (everybody) is of course going to,perhaps unfairly, expect their daughter to live up to their example.
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Certainly best girl deserves to be on the front page.
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>>13724575
technically she's a space half (fourth?) giant
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>>13725035
>well given her family that could be a really compelling motivation

can't wait for the expositionary dialogue for that one

I wonder if they will play that up. You'd think they'd have some expositionary bs about it if they were.

"N-no way! That is Mirage Jenius, who is the descendant of Max and Miriya Jenius, who served on the SDF-1, which fought in Space War One!"
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>>13725296
Mylene was a good pilot though.

She jumped into Milia's old VF-1 in 7 and fought off the attackers in City 7 once. Even Milia was impressed although she didn't know that it was Mylene flying the VF-1.
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>>13724461
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>>13725035
Oh my fucking god I do not care what weird family issues or whatever you fucking have lady, just shoot down everything that blinks red on your IFF
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>>13727566
/aceg/ go home
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>>13725249
>How many Jeniuses joined the military after Max and Milia anyways?
IIRC their eldest Komilia did. But unfortunately the game that featured her was removed from canon since it followed the Macross II timeline.
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>>13727559
>"N-no way! That is Mirage Jenius, who is the descendant of Max and Miriya Jenius, who served on the SDF-1, which fought in Space War One!"

God I hate anime.
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>>13727627
No one has even said this so far so I doubt it'll come up.
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>>13727602
I don't get how you can call her "bad" from this. She makes a mistake, but right after it she switches to gerwalk, makes a 180, then takes one of them out.
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>>13727656
I don't think that anon was particularly painting Mirage as a bad pilot. However there are some retards who use that to bash and shitpost that she doesn't have god tier combat skills like Max or Milia and that she doesn't "meet their standards" whatever that's suppose to mean.
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>>13727676
>meet their standards
so even people outside of the show are placing high expectations on her?
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>>13727656
>She makes a mistake
I think there might probably be a few more mistakes rather than a single mistake.
When the hail of bullets came in, everyone broke off to dodge the bullets, she stayed more or less on the same course, she evaded the shots, but that's a rather risky move.
After she got surprised and attacked by the Ghosts(I guess?), she was briefly falling out of the sky after getting hit(And as far as we know, her VF was still operational after that). Someone came in, shot down one of the Ghosts, and she switches to gerwalk and shoots down the other.

Rather than bad, it's likely that she's good but can't deal with multiple enemies due to bad multitasking ability.
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>>13727685
Personally, I'm not placing expectations on Mirage, because she's not real. Rather, I feel somewhat put out that Kawamori decided to make her the least capable pilot in Delta. There's a strain of disrespect that runs through the episode.

It remains to be seen what, if anything, Delta will do with Mirage, but I was a little disappointed. That was partially my fault because before going in I had got caught up in a little self-made hype, so we'll see what happens.
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>>13727685
From what we've seen from the prototype/pilot first episode none of the characters have explicitly placed high expectations on Mirage.
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>>13727685
I've had my fill of stupidly annoyingly over competent women. I just want to see her crash and burn.
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>>13727695
>I've had my fill of stupidly annoyingly over competent women. I just want to see her crash and burn.
The fuck are you saying? Mirage wasn't even displaying she was over competent at all. You're pretty much contradicting your own statement dumbass.
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>>13727690
Well personally her tracking system was still being jammed that time. She probably didn't even know that the Ghost drones were there until she got hit. Fortunately she had good recovery and was able to react quickly to destroy one of the drones. I'd think she's a competent pilot but just lacks some combat experience.
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>>13727716
>was able to react quickly to destroy one of the drones
That's not hard when the drones are flying straight instead of doing crazy maneuvers and 90-degree turns. The pretty-boys need better ghosts.
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>>13727727
Try watching it again. Though the drones were not doing high speed maneuvers (like Itano Circus) they weren't flying in a straight line either. They're still Ghosts and can still attempt to evade attacks on it.
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You people are making way too many assumptions based on one episode. An episode that isn't even complete, at that.
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>>13727694
It's the opposite, really. Arad even straight up disses her at one point.
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>>13727740
Dissing Mirage doesn't mean he set high expectations on her. He just indirectly called her naive and that's it.
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>>13727746
>Dissing Mirage doesn't mean he set high expectations on her.

That's why I said 'it's the opposite.' Arad clearly doesn't think much, if anything, of her heritage.
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>>13727740
No, he doesn't. He just asks Mikumo how the naive rookie is doing.
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Maybe Mirage inherited shittiness from her dad's side of the family.
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Any porn of her yet?
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>>13727627

to be fair that's really more of a general sci fi problem
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>>13727630
It's totally happening.

It hasn't happened yet because she hasn't been properly introduced.
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>>13724461
betcha none of you could even fly her namesake:

http://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/shop/modules/m2000c/
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>>13724973
MC showed interested on her. He followed her all the time and broke free from his apathetic behavior.

She's not really Ranka, she's just hyperactive but has Sheryl's determination and guts. She reminded me to younger Sheryl of the Sheryl manga.
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>>13725249
Komilia shows up in the MF Wings of Goodbye novelization with the Combined NUNS Fleet.

Vindirance is a UN Spacy outfit that went rogue to fight Lactence. Their leader is Maria Fokina Barnrose, rumored to be Therese Jenius.

Moaramia "Jifon" Fally Jenius was a experimental 6 year old Meltran ace of the Zentradi rebel group Struggle till Max and Milia shot her down and adopted her.
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I'm thinking she's probably Komilia's daughter. I wonder why she would take her mom's name instead of her dad's, though.
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>>13727806
If my mother's last name was 'Juutilainen' and my father's last name was 'Brown' I would probably prefer to go by Juutilainen.
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>>13727797
>Komilia shows up in the MF Wings of Goodbye novelization with the Combined NUNS Fleet.
She would be quite old by that time. 48 to be exact since she was born on 2011.
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>>13727656
I am only solely assuming she's the weakest one from the fact that she's the only one off during the posing formation that MC pointed out
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>>13727952
I wouldn't exactly call Mirage the weakest as its still too early to tell. She is however Delta squadron's rookie pilot so its understandable if she's not completely synced yet. Beside she was only late by split second when they took off. And honestly I don't how her "stage performance" should determine her ranking combat-wise.
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>>13727980
She show goes out of its way several times to show her making mistakes. It didn't do that for any of the other pilots. The severity of the mistakes is irrelevant to the fact that she's clearly being introduced as "the rookie who doesn't quite have her shit together yet."
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>>13728006
>She show goes out of its way several times to show her making mistakes
She didn't have several mistakes. Her only real mistake was when they were fighting the Aerial Knights who aren't your standard pilots. And her slight lateness after their posing wouldn't even be considered as a mistake. Hayate was the only one who noticed it. Seriously you're being a little bit too hard on Mirage.
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>>13728006
>She show goes out of its way several times to show her making mistakes
>several times
No
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>>13727945
>Old
Milia still fuckable at that age. Her rival Chlore can still scream like a teenage girl.
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>>13727602
I wonder why they don't show the HUD or the gunsight anymore for cockpit shots.
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Her mom is one of the Jenius babies. But who is her dad?
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>>13728043
>Hayate was the only one who noticed it.
Hayate was the only one who commented on it. That doesn't mean he's the only one who noticed it. And even if it was just a fraction of a second late, a mistake is still a mistake. All of the other pilots were in perfect formation there.

I'm not saying Mirage is some kind of shit pilot. The fact that she's even in Delta Squadron indicates that she's highly skilled. But compared to the other pilots in the group, she clearly has some catching up to do.
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>>13728844
The HUD is likely integrated into the helmet now. Or projected into the pilot's eyes.
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>>13728901
It's just like in nuBSG and SW:TFA where they don't show a hud or gunsight anymore. What gives?
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>>13728904
Maybe she didn't have a lock.
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>>13728897

She clearly has more to do than that, given that Messer comments that she's too straight-forward and incapable of working undercover because of it. I would hazard a guess that she's over thinking a lot of things in order to try and get everything perfect, presumably because of her family legacy, though Kawamori may not place as much weight on that as we do and because she's over-thinking she's tripping herself up and creating problems where if she'd just relax and be a little more flexible and let instinct take the seat on occasion she'd probably handle things better.

She's just too straight laced and uptight and it's holding her back. Mikumo is wandering the streets in what at least looks like casual wear (if rather expensive casual wear), even if she has an ex-gear on in reality, while Mirage is wearing a uniform. Everyone is keeping it low key and just concentrating on finding signs of Var, Mirage is very back straight, eye's forward and wants to check out even crimes that don't really concern her. Even her movements are very stiff and formal looking, especially that bow of apology.
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>>13728897
>And even if it was just a fraction of a second late, a mistake is still a mistake
As I mentioned previously she was slightly late only when they took off and she was in synced with the rest until that which hardly constitutes as a mistake. Even professional aerial performers aren't 100% in synced all the time. Hayate seems to have an eye for minute details since it implies he's a natural pilot. Like you said it doesn't mean Mirage is a bad pilot but definitely she has a lot room for improvement.

>>13729239
>Messer comments that she's too straight-forward and incapable of working undercover because of it
Actually Messer did not say that at all about Mirage but berates Chuck for not focusing on the job. Only Arad makes a knee-jerk comment of her being naive.

Though Mirage is indeed uptight and inflexible as given in her character description I think you're looking into her too far about pressuring herself due to her family legacy. We really don't know much about her aside that she shares Max and Milia's last names, obviously part Zentradi, and member of the Delta squadron.

What disturbs me though if she has problems going undercover then why do they even deploy her in the first place? One could say so she can gain some field experience. But from Mikumo's and Arad's conversation it sounds like they haven't pointed out Mirage's issues nor do they care since it wasn't Mikumo's first time to ditch her on such a mission.
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>>13725217
Mylene wasn't a military pilot.
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>>13725217
Her mom does.
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>>13724973
>Mirage's VA is a singer
What if she's unwillingly forced to sing and ends up being at almost the same level as Walkure in terms of potent songmagic, and ends up having to sing while fighting?
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>>13730275
That seems likely enough. What if she winds up being the macronized Meltran idol that's been wished for around here all along?
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>>13730289
I would cream my self.

Emilia's songs are still my favorite 7 songs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTZ3F3oIqt8
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>>13730289
Then /m/ would shit itself and Mirage would be redeemed.
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>>13730275
Just to give some idea of what that might manifest as, have a listen to her VA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoUuIiBPFIs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQ7cTAQaZxk

oh, and just side note, her VA is also a particular Symphogear bridge bunny
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>>13725180
>And this is an especially big deal in Japanese society.
I'm sure it helps their suicide rates.
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The real question is, when can I buy her VF?
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>>13730685
Both sounds good enough to fit in as a solo or group song.

The latter one sounds like the type of song that would be used in an impromptu concert kind of like Ranka's minor singing before she hit it big.
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Mirage?
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>>13730767
Mirage.
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>>13730833
I wish it was Mirage Kizaki Jenius.
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>>13729859

> As I mentioned previously she was slightly late only when they toook off

We only see them flying in formation for a few seconds covering two maneuvers and she's off in at least one of them. And if you watch the landing she seems a little off in that too. Which is understandable, since again, she's the newbie, so she's not going to be as practiced or synchronized as the others. But again, when put in concert with the rest of the episode which has people implying that she's not good at certain kinds of work and arresting the wrong person it builds a picture that she's prone to mistakes despite herself.

> Actually Messer did not say that at all about Mirage

I appear to have conflated Messner and Arad, since I thought they were the same character for some reason. Regardless, Arad calls her Ms Straightforward in the episode when talking to Mikumo, at least according to the sub I have, from a group called [bwq]. I have no idea what he says in the GG one, or which is more accurate, but I'd say the [bwq] has a high probability of accuracy given the way she acts in the show itself. I did get confused and attribute Mikumo's comment that Mirage can't work undercover to Arad as well though.

> I think you're looking too far about pressuring herself due to her family legacy

She's certainly straight laced and uptight for some reason and family is as good a reason as any. Maybe it's different, but based off the little we know of her so far, there's at least some chance it's true.

> why do they even deploy her in the first place?

Because that's the way the setup works by the looks of things. Pilot and idol working together. Mikumo doesn't like how conspicuous Mirage is and is and prefers to investigate covertly instead of overtly like Mirage may prefer so she ditches her. It's possible to conduct such investigations in the open too after all, and that's probably the way Mirage would prefer they do it.
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>>13732348
>Arad calls her Ms Straightforward
>I have no idea what he says in the GG one
[gg] used naive little girl
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>>13732437

That's not any better anyways, and I'd say is flat out a worse thing to call someone. I don't know if it's more accurate, but it certainly implies he views her in a worse light.
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>>13732348
>>13732437
>>13732477
Between those two, "Ms. Straightforward" is the somewhat more accurate representation of the line. He's not outright rude about it, he's just indicating that she's not cut out for subtlety.
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>>13732437
gg is such shit
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>>13733484
>Japanese Doughnut
>gg
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has max ever heard of a condom?
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It's been long years since I watched marcoss. What is protoculture and deculture?
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>>13734679
no condom can stop his gunpod from hitting its mark!
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>>13734866
Protoculture is some kind of ancient civilization that's responsible for seeding and/or uplifting pretty much all sentient life in the galaxy. Deculture is just a Zentradi expression of shock or surprise, generally used when they run into culture shenanigans.
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>>13734866
>protoculture
What the Zentradi call their predecessors for all lif
>deculture?
It's basically "MUH GOD"
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>>13734866
>protoculture
Ancient alien predecessors who seeded the galaxy with the human like races

>deculture
holy shit it's culture
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>>13734679
>condom
The entire human race was reduced down to the people on the Macross, and a few hundred thousand people scattered in various bunkers on earth. The threat of another Zentradi fleet finding humans and wiping them out still existed.

They also have Alien Overtechnology that makes everything abundant.

So there was a duty for Max to have as many children as possible.

They had such a dire need to raise the human population. That they resorted to using the cloning machines that produce new Zentradi soldiers. To make copies of humans to put on Macross colony fleets.
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>>13734949
>>13734679
they probably started using pinpoint barriers for that sort of thing as tech progressed
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>>13734679
Dude did you realize the age of majority was lowered because they need more people filling roles in society? That is why 15 year olds can join the military.

Mylene was being pestered by her mother to get married at 14. Mylene had her driver's license at 10 getting also her first car from Max.

Age of majority is different from fleet to fleet and planet to planet. On Frontier the age of majority is 17 years old.

After Shammy married she gave birth to 11 kids.

Even then they had to resort to Zentradi style cloning. At Earth at least that stopped at 2030 when hereditary disease started cropping up.
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>>13735630
Mylene was 10 yrs old when she got her first car?
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>>13735917
2041

From Macross Compendium

The decision is made to adopt the VF-19 as the next generation main fighter. (Macross History version 2008)

At 15 years of age, Gamlin Kizaki enrolls into the Air Force School in the U.N. Spacy via special entry. (Macross 7)

At 10 years of age, Mylene Flare Jenius obtains her driver's licence A class. Her father Maximilian give her a red car.

The 25th New Macross class emigration fleet (55th Super Long-distance emigrant fleet - Frontier Fleet) leaves Earth.

Settlers abandoned the planet Elysium.
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>>13730340
>implying Mirage has done anything wrong and needs redeeming
Knowing how much /m/ likes to shitpost on Delta they'll will likely pretend they saw it coming and say "we told ya so".
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>>13732348
>And if you watch the landing she seems a little off in that too.
I watched that part several times and Mirage wasn't off on the landing at all. It might look that way due to the angle and that Messer's valkyries was covering Chuck's as they landed. Try watching it per frame and you'll see its quite fluid.

>Because that's the way the setup works by the looks of things.
Doesn't seem exactly that way. Only Mikumo and Reina were paired up with a pilot. Makina was pretty much going solo while Arad and Messer where still at their base monitoring the city.

>Mikumo doesn't like how conspicuous Mirage is and is and prefers to investigate covertly instead of overtly like Mirage may prefer so she ditches her.
Regardless of Mikumo's preference that was still awfully disrespectful towards Mirage and quite frankly unprofessional with working with her assigned partner for that mission. Mikumo should have at least been direct with her instead of ditching without notice.
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>>13735087
>So there was a duty for Max to have as many children as possible.
Too bad they're all girls. He really needs a male descendant to spread that genetic material around.
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>>13736223
Zentradi genes too stronk
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Poor Mirage has no fanart yet.
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>>13736223
>He really needs a male descendant to spread that genetic material around.
This is rather odd in the case of Mirage since all of Max's children are female. If they follow human tradition the males take their last names with them. If Mirage is indeed directly related to Max and Milia then her mother isn't married to anyone. Or she might be related by second degree like grand uncle and grand aunt but it doesn't explain why she also has Millia maiden name.
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>>13736258
Or they do it the japanese way.

If the female's family is higher ranked or something, the male would take their last name instead.
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>>13736245
>hopes

good show, Japan.
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>>13736223
Marge Gueldoa kinda looks like Max and has Sho Hayami as VA.

Makes me think he is Max's clone but his genius made him a Mad Scientist.
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>>13736327
I was wondering what his name was. The dumbest villain in the franchise.
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Will Mikumo bully Mirage some more?
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>>13736456
I hope it remains a constant throughout the whole series.
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>>13736456
I hope so
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>>13736258
There are a few things I can think of--like you say, maybe her mother wasn't married, or like >>13736267 mentioned sometimes men take their wive's last name. It's also possible neither parent changed their name when they got married and Mirage took her more famous parent's last name. My own mom didn't take my dad's last name when they married, for some reason or another.
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>>13736258
>This is rather odd in the case of Mirage since all of Max's children are female. If they follow human tradition the males take their last names with them.
Then you are misinformed about human tradition.

The tradition is that the STRONGER, more prestigious family, gets to keep the name. So a wealthy heiress or other noble who married a commoner, would have kept her name and have her name passed down to the children. This applies in both East and West.

The whole "male keep the name" is just a side effect of most females being less historically dominant in the relationship when the two people are otherwise equal in status.

The most famous case that applies in the West today, is Queen Elisabeth the Second, and her "Windsor" name being passed down to her children. While her husband's House, Gl├╝cksburg, is not relevant.
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>>13736633
So... you're saying that Gamlin might've won the Mylenebowl after all?
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>>13736258
Because she's Basara and Emilia's secret love child
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>>13736661
>So... you're saying that Gamlin might've won the Mylenebowl after all?
I am saying the Jenius name is so prestigious that it is nearly impossible to find a man who would want to supersede it. I can't promise more than that.
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Or maybe she's an illegitimate child and her dad wasn't around.
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>>13736722
See >>13736664
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>>13736728
I'd say it's highly unlikely that she's the child of two established characters. She's probably the daughter of one of the sisters who never appeared outside of that one family photo.
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>>13736869
Or she is the daughter of Moaramia, the adopted daughter of Max and Milia.
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>>13737004
That would explain the hair.
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>>13738061
I thought it meant something like "Oh, it's Culture!", which can be a positive or negative.
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>>13724461
>Miracle

fixed
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>>13739883
HOPES AND DREAMS
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I just want big boobed meltrans again.
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>>13740876
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>>13740870
Is that a boy?
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>>13740892
Average boobed regular sized half meltran just doesn't cut it.
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>>13741517
Girl.
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>>13741517
It's a best.
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>>13741518
>average
One of the characters makes fun of her for having bigass tits.

>half
She's not.
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>>13741528
Are you sure? Because it really doesn't look like a picture of Mikumo.
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>>13741606
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>>13741518
Nigga you gay
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>>13741629
>>13740892
>round ears
Disgusting.
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>>13740892

>here take this broken decades old vf-0 and fight guys with a superior tech advantage while I keep the VF-19

no fuck off
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>>13740892

The best girl in Macross 30 is the blue-haired one that spends the bulk of the game as your wingman. Pretty face, even if she does have a "three pack a day" voice.

Pic related.
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>>13743203
>>13743768

Hayate is cute too. I hope we get to see him do an Immelmann turn.
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>>13742301
You can't even see her full ears in those pictures.
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>>13743768
alien scum fuck off only humans and based zentradi bros allowed
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>>13744097
>based zentradi bros
>the alien race that nearly wiped out all of humanity
>bros
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>>13744131
they wuz gud boys
they dindu nuffin
they need more culture for dey programs
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>>13744131
>bitching about zents
>posting a half zent
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>>13742322
Says something about Leon's skills I guess.
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>>13741517
>minor cleavage
>a boy
She's not quite flat chested. Small breasted girls deserve love too.
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>>13746074
MADE
FOR
SEX
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>>13746079
Do not sexualize the Siegfried.
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Posted it in wrong Macross thread but uptight military girls becoming cute and lovestruck is an anime fetish of mine so I'm hoping for Mirage to deliver
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>>13746074
>filename = VF-31D
>Not VF-31A
Come on. Hayate ain't getting anything better than the grunt version, son.
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>>13746142
It's just the filename.
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>>13746167
HAYATEFAGS BTFO EITHER WAY
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>>13746192
The VF-25G also has a single head laser, the VF-11C has a single head laser. This could be a C model for all we know.
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>>13746200
>VF-25G: has sniper rifle as standard equipment. Head turret mono-eye adjusted for sniping.
VF-25G is just a modified VF-25A head.

And I'm pretty sure the VF-11 has never had more than a single head laser.
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>>13746250
>VF-25G is just a modified VF-25A head.
Makes sense now that I think about it. Why else would it have a lens on the rifle itself?
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>>13746120
What if Mirage just wanted to be an idol, rather than a pilot or instrument player like the rest of the family?

What if after having to sing impromptu in order to stop a rampage, she ends up liking it more than she thought and opens up to singing while piloting? Or even just singing and dancing?
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>>13746286
She seems way too damn stiff to be a singer. If anything her straightforward by the books attitude implies that she really wants to be a soldier.
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>>13746297
But her VA is a singer.
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>>13746318
And so was Alto's but he didn't become an idol.
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>>13746167

I finally got around to Macross 30. And I'm really curious as to whether or not the VF-31 inherited *all* the functions of the YF-30 and not just the weapons container.

Namely it's ability to penetrate dense fold vaults. This really is the first time we've seen a mass-production version of a super special fold quartz prototype.
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>>13746362
But he's a guy! Guys don't go singing in Macross!

Unless you're Basara. But he was a one-off!
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>>13746385
>forgetting Exedol's beautiful singing voice
KYUN

KYUN
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>>13746372
Looks like the fold quartz are still on the front so possibly.
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>>13746385

Dude, all the dude's in seven sang.

>Gigil
>Kinryu
>Gamlin
>Basara

7 had a lot of singing dudes.

>>13746402

Too true, but I guess only time will tell. I am legitimately glad that they made good on the whole "swappable weapons container" thing. Since I was kind of let down that it wasn't as moddable (Or moddable at all) in Macross 30.
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>>13746421
Honestly the YF-30 was pretty flawed design and that's probably why Kawamori redesigned it for Delta.
>missile container couldn't extend in fighter mode without dropping the gunpod and clipping through the model
>no micro-missile ports on the legs
>wings don't fold very well in battroid
>no storage for assault knife
All of those problems were fixed with the 31.
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>>13746473

Yeah, I mean. Aside from the fold vault thing, the YF-29 did pretty much everything better. So, while the design did grow on me, it still felt very much like a "what's the point?" design for a bit.
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>>13746486
The 29 is probably too expensive for mass production since it has an MDE beam cannon and four engines.
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>>13746496
The 30 and 31 are clearly pretty expensive as well. It seems like the fancy fold quartz based systems are the main cost issue, and the newer models still have those. There's a reason the 30 and 31 are a one-off prototype and a limited-production ace machine, respectively.
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>>13746510
The 30 is a bunch of junk parts slapped together by some bimbo meltran
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>>13746372
>>13746402
Right. But even the VF-25 had some Fold Quartz on the fuselage (the nose at least). I always just assumed it was part of the improved ISC/Fold Wave System in the YF-29 and was simply a hold over in the YF-30 (that turned out to be useful for the aforementioned Fold Dimensional Resonance system in the YF-30).

One point of contention that occurred to me recently is the fact that the YF-30's engines are only 5kN stronger than the YF-29's (main) engines. Considering that ECA/PPB uses excess energy from engines for protection, doesn't the YF-29 have stronger armor and higher output beam weapons simply because it has more engines? Not to mention mobility.

So far the VF-31's weapon container pod can only be a missile pod or store the beam gunpod. I don't doubt that it can fire it from the back mount, which is cool, but I get the general feeling that the YF-30/VF-31 has less firepower specifically because it has less potential power output being limited to two engines (barring any option packs we see in the future for the VF-31 considering how much more power the VF-25 Armored has).

At the end of the day though, I think that having the YF-29 fulfill an extremely-high power special forces niche in terms of valkyries is a good place for it to be. The VF-31 seems to be an improvement on the "modular multipurpose" design of the VF-25, which is cool though. Can't wait to see this generation's super prototype.
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>>13746517

She wasn't a bimbo. But she was pretty selfish.

>Take this VF-0, even though I'm pretty sure the YF-25 was repaired canonically, and fly it around. I'll cover you in this top of the line VF-19E.

W O R S T G I R L

I fucked up and got her ending though.

Mina's just bland though. For a game with a love triangle as a big part of it's plot, the two options it presents (Not counting the "everyone" ending) are both kinda crappy.
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>>13746600
I really liked Mina.
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>>13746590

I agree. As cool as the VF-31 is, I'm really curious as to what the next-gen machine will be.

I guess it's a lot like real planes are in that sense. As cool as the F-35 is, it's a lot more interesting to look at what's coming next.
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>>13746613

She wasn't the worst. That's all I can say about her.
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>>13746614
>I'm really curious as to what the next-gen machine will be.
The Draaken.
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>>13746760

>General Galaxy shovelware
>Next-gen

Suuuuuuure.
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>>13746473
>missile container couldn't extend in fighter mode without dropping the gunpod and clipping through the model
I remembered being bothered about this while playing Macross 30 but I totally forgot about this. The twin gunpods on the arms and the beam one in storage make a lot more sense inside this context. Good on Kawamori fixing that, this makes me like the VF-31 even more than I already did.

>no micro-missile ports on the legs
And the YF-29 had a fuck-load of those.

>no storage for assault knife
Don't forget that the PPB shields on the VF-31's arms on much bigger/thicker than the YF-30's.

>>13746496
I get the feeling that the VF-31's gunpod is actually a beam gunpod, but that it isn't MDE spec'd. I say that partially because Al Shalahal doesn't seem to have VF-171EXs and MDE tech in general was specifically for created to fight Vajra. That would explain why the VF-31's gunpod looks so different from its predecessor's beam gunpods.

That's probably why the YF-30 shared the exact same MDE beam gunpod with the YF-29, because there were Vajra on Planet Ouroboros and Aisha assumed Leon would continue fighting them even after she finished the YF-30. Chalk another one up for the YF-29 then, I guess.

>>13746614
Honestly, I think that's the case at this point. The VF-31 isn't really a superior machine to the YF-29 at all. Though that's not surprising considering the YF-29 was developed for massive firepower against the Vajra. The VF-31 seems like exactly the kind of craft you develop after the post-Vajra War insanity when you don't plan on needing to go to such extreme developmental measures again anytime in the near future.

That's not to say I don't like the VF-31, I'm definitely enjoying the technological speculation and I can't wait for the eventual VF-31 masterfile (and its eventual translation).
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>>13746600
>For a game with a love triangle as a big part of it's plot
It was a very minor part. Hardly even a thing, really. Neither girl was really presented as a love interest.
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>I say that partially because Al Shalahal doesn't seem to have VF-171EXs and MDE tech in general was specifically for created to fight Vajra. That would explain why the VF-31's gunpod looks so different from its predecessor's beam gunpods.
I don't think Al Shalahal is Walkure/Delta squadron's home base. It might be planet Ragna. And here's a better shot of the VF-31's gunpod if you're interested.
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>>13746837
That is a very nice looking gunpod.
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>>13746843
>That is a very nice looking gunpod.
Why yes it is. I've saved every pic of it I possibly could. It definitely has a unique look that sets it apart from even the other beam gunpods.

I wonder if the VF-31 will continue the VF-25's trend of being able to be loaded to the teeth with underwing ordinance. So far, I haven't seen any hardpoints.
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>>13746798
>YF-29 was developed for massive firepower against the Vajra
It was made specifically to deal with the Vajra, no?

The fold wave jamming/relay ability, the heavy firepower, the really good mobility, it all points to anti-Vajra.
The weapon layout also seem to imitate the Vajra in some places.
>turret mounted on the back
>missile launchers everywhere on the body
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>>13746843
It looks awesome. The VF-31 seriously has some Armored Core vibes coming off it. Which is fitting considering who the designer is.
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>>13746847
>I wonder if the VF-31 will continue the VF-25's trend of being able to be loaded to the teeth with underwing ordinance. So far, I haven't seen any hardpoints.
Here's an undershot of Arad's VF-31. You can see four underwing hardpoints, two of those end up being the shields for battroid so it'd have shield missiles.
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>>13746851
>It was made specifically to deal with the Vajra, no?
Indeed, though any kind of firepower that could decimate Vajra would be pretty much be super effective on all other enemies you could possibly face.

I remember reading somewhere that the YF-29's Fold Wave System increases the efficiency of the engines using fold waves. Could that be the reason Alto's patched together airframe exceeded the original prototype's specs? The fold waves that Sheryl and Ranka produced boosted the specs?
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>>13746892
Neato. I guess you'd deploy the missiles before going Gerwalk or Battroid then, just so you're not tempted to shield yourself with a missile.

Speaking of Arad...I noticed an animation error in the episode. Pic related. Why is Arad in a Draken?! Haha.
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>>13747006
>shield yourself with a missile.
Well, treat it as reactive armor, I guess.
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>>13747006
You sure that's a Draken? Looks like his colors.
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>>13747035
Looks like the markings on Keith's Draken I think.
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>>13724575
anon it's
>me rape
She's a Jenius after all so she's gonna be doing the raping not you.
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>>13724575
>that shitty stretch
yeah no
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>>13746773
>shovelware
Every General Galaxy VF has been shown to be objectively better than their Shinsei contemporaries though.
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>>13747900
I was going to point to the YF-29 but it's obvious that some of its features were pioneered by the VF-27 first: beam gunpod, auxiliary wing engines. How though? Did Shinsei have some people inside General Galaxy or something during the VF-27's development? Is it just coincidental convergent evolution?

At the end of the day, the VF-25 is the VF-27's contemporary, not the YF-29. So yeah, General Galaxy has always developed valkyries that have higher specs. That makes them poorly suited for mass production though so one must wonder why the hell they keep submitting designs to the mass production competitions specifically instead of, I dunno, developing these valkyries for export to special forces units from the very start?
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>>13748114
Also note that Brera had Alto completely in his sights at the end of their fight, he was only stopped by the implant jamming. As far as the YF-29 sharing features the official explanation is that General Galaxy was the one who had agents in LAI during the 29's development and that information was applied to the 27's design.
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>>13748114
Well, the YF-29 is just the VF-25 with the Tornado Pack integrated into the body. Meanwhile the VF-27 is basically just a YF-24 with Super Parts integrated into the body.

So... they both ended up doing the same thing, really, because it's the next logical step. Unless you wanna change the entire fundamental structure of the fuselage, what else can you do other than add shit onto the wings?
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>>13747900
But are they mass-production/grunt friendly? Your VF being slightly better is no use if your VF isn't grunt friendly at all and doesn't satisfy the needs of your customer.
Both the 19 and 21 were more suited as special forces VFs at the end of the day.

The 25 is made to be versatile as fuck with multiple specialised variants and lots of option packs.
The 27 apparently only has 2 variants, Beta and Gamma, and there isn't any visible difference between them, probably just internal hardware differences. Only known option pack is the Ghost booster Super pack Brera had in the movie. You also need a cyborg pilot for it.
The shortcoming of the 27 just ain't worth the extra performance for a grunt machine.

Besides, the 25 being able to take a variety of option packs makes it easy to boost its base firepower/maneuverability if needed.
VF-25 with a Super pack is considered to be equal with the VF-27, the VF-25 with a Tornado pack is a shittier YF-29, if you need firepower/defensive you go with the Armored pack.
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>>13748186
>You also need a cyborg pilot for it.
Not true.
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>>13748234
Sorry.
Still, the BDI feature on the VF-27 would be useless without a cyborg pilot.
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>>13748243
BDI doesn't require a cyborg pilot at all, see Guld.
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>>13748186
>But are they mass-production/grunt friendly?
What does that have to do with anything? The original post was calling them shovelware, if anything a mass production inferior unit fits that label much more than a more expensive higher quality unit.
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>>13748234
It's possible she does have cyborg implants. Externally you couldn't really tell with Grace until she got damaged.

It's also possible her Lucifer has limiters and a regular interface. It does have lower stats than Brera's.
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>>13748186
Fun fact: YF-29 has less missiles then the VF-25 Armored but actually has the same amount of defense due to the number/efficiency of its engines. Having essentially unlimited ammo for all of its main weapons is a bonus too.
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>>13749191
Speaking of the armored pack, I wish we saw the cool beam turrets on it used. Frontier in general was bad at using obvious weapons on the models in cases where they would have been useful.
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>>13749238
We did see the beam turrets used a few times. Ozma uses them during that Galaxy rescue mission.
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>>13748275
Guld was also half Zentradi so maybe he can handle it better than a normal human.

Mei is also half Zentradi. She also, coincidentally, has the same genetic defect as Klan that makes her loli when she's small. She's apparently really old.
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>>13749301
>She also, coincidentally, has the same genetic defect as Klan that makes her loli when she's small.
She doesn't look as loli as Klan though. Did they ever show how she looks as a giant? I hope she didn't look like a granny if she's really old.
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>>13749452
Nope. Both her and Aisha, who is full blooded(?) stay small through the whole game.
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>>13749301

I don't think it hurts that Zentradi age a bit more gracefully than humans do anyways.

>>13747900

That's literally only true about the VF-27 in comparison to the VF-25. And that's really just the vanilla VF-25 at that. They're pretty comparable when the 25's got the super pack as far as everything except armaments is concerned.

The YF-19 did every bit as well as, if not better in some areas, than the YF-21 as well.

And we don't really have enough info on the Draken III to make a fair comparison between it and the Siegfried.

>>13748752

Well, the Lucifer does have an EX-Gear and regular-style controls in addition to the BDI. I'd imagine hers just isn't quite as beefed-up as the ones that the Galaxy fleet uses.
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>>13749238
>Frontier in general was bad at using obvious weapons on the models in cases where they would have been useful.
That's not really a Frontier problem but an /m/ problem in general. Gundams either rarely use their head vulcans (when they have them) despite both being in close combat and having a hard time of it or they are a last resort weapon that only exists to show how useless they are. The same goes for the beamguns on valkyries. They never use them until the animators remember them.

I appreciated the little scene in Frontier's final episode during Northern Cross when Alto is shooting towards the camera and shooting the head guns too. Or when he used them to cut a hole to free Ranka. Then I scratched my head in Sayonara no Tsubasa when he was fleeing from Brera's missiles but only used the dual beam cannon to shoot them down instead of using them in conjunction with the head lasers.

At least we see Messer use them when he shoots down the missiles in Delta, huh?
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>>13749916
Head lasers need more love. They were pretty cool in Macross 30 at least. Firing them in conjunction with the gunpod felt good.
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>>13747743
Eh, this is a little too Dad walks in for me...

Shame, the original promo art had me excited.
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>>13750068
You should never watch anime while your parents are around anyway.
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>>13750068
There are a TON of moments like that in mecha shows in general. Any naked space ghost scene in Gundam, scenes in Evangelion, and anything ani/m/e that came out in the past 3 years is especially cringeworthy.
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>>13750068
>your dad's face when
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>>13750100
This. I could never show Gundam to friends because of how cringey a lot of the newtype shit gets at times.
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>>13750068
>Eh, this is a little too Dad walks in for me...
First of all
>Watching anime while your parents are around

Second, are you sure you're in the right genre?
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>>13750222
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1nP2vYO24k
Apparently his parents had no problem walking in on this.
>"What are you watching son? Some kind of Disney movie?"
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>>13750100
My dad likes that kind of stuff though; he introduced me to it.

Delta's more generic anime we-want-the-love-live-audience waifubait Dad walks in than 80's-90's Sci-Fi anime psychadelic weirdness Dad walks in. One can be written off as a quirky element of a genre, the other's going to raise some serious eyebrows about your maturity
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>>13750286
What is with all these people who suddenly started caring about what their parents think about anime? This is the third one I've run into on /m/.

Why are you living with your parents even?
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>>13750286
>One can be written off as a quirky element of a genre, the other's going to raise some serious eyebrows about your maturity
You're watching japanese toy commericials and you most likely have models of said toys in your room. Your maturity has been in question since you started watching mecha. Don't act like idols are below toy robots on the maturity scale. It's embarrassing.
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>>13749934
what episode was this from again?
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>>13750286
>your dad likes naked newtypes
>your dad likes underaged Rei boob-grab and naked Asuka
Your dad's a weird guy anon. Nothing psychadelic about those last twos. Your dad might be a pedo.
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>>13750325
But anon, he has more of those than I do. and I haven't lived there for years

In any case, I really meant it as a general expression rather than a literal one. Delta just looks like it took any reasonable sense of taste, tone, and execution and threw it out the window for bad anime/sentai cliches that, while not entirely out of place in the Macross Universe, don't exactly complement it very well, either. Even the artstyle doesn't stand out at all. I'm not really feeling it. I loved Frontier, but this is one Macross I think I can afford to miss out on.
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>>13750438
Well I guess that's your problem. I for one think it'll be tons of fun.
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>>13750430
I don't know how he feels about Eva but he's super into 80's mecha anime like Zeta Gundam, L Gaim, and Dragonar. He even has Hidetaka Tenjin paintings printed out, framed, and hung in his basement. My first exposure to Beyond the Time was from our car stereo, not the movie. I keep telling him to watch Eva, but he never gets around to it.

Only reason my step mom puts up with it is because he brings in serious bank.
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>>13750438
>Delta just looks like it took any reasonable sense of taste, tone, and execution and threw it out the window for bad anime/sentai cliches that, while not entirely out of place in the Macross Universe, don't exactly complement it very well, either.
Not him but that's purely from a subjective viewpoint. Personally it complements it quite well and just follows the natural progression of the series. The "magical girl" themes was very apparent in Frontier with Sheryl and Ranka in Frontier so I don't how you consider that an issue if you very much liked it. The only difference is Walkure are also in the battlefield and aren't in the background playing as support.
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>>13750493
>I don't know how he feels about Eva
You should show him Eva. Post back with results.
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I am 100% convinced that Mikumo is a Protodeviln.
Someone try to convince me otherwise.
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>>13750796
only 7 were made, and she had the opposite effect that sivil had
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>>13750984
Well they had a lot of time to work on them inbetween shows
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>>13750503
>The "magical girl" themes was very apparent in Frontier with Sheryl and Ranka
Magically changing outfits isn't enough to make something magical girl.
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>>13751516
the only difference now is that they're right on the battlefield using UAV shields to block weapons fire and singing to disarm enemies at extremely short range
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>>13751516
Then what makes them magical girls?
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>>13749502
She can't be full blooded, she has ROUND EARS
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>>13749934
Would had been cooler if it was a beam saber.
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>>13751589
Nothing, aren't those costumes just holographic projections?
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>>13751610
zentradi ears are incredibly inconsistent
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>>13751718
How about katanas then?
>>13751741
They are. They do have jet clusters under the skirts but we already saw those with Sheryl in Frontier.
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>>13738153
Don't listen to the dumbass.
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>>13751758
I think the YF-24 family (25, 27, 29) was the ideal family to have swords, because of those little hip parts that are part of the wing root in fighter mode. Those could've easily been extended under the wing and been an awesome sheathe.
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>>13750438
your dad is much cooler than you are, how about you stop posting on /m/ forever and tell him to do it instead
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>>13748186
>The 27 apparently only has 2 variants, Beta and Gamma, and there isn't any visible difference between them,

There are two Beta variants, one is the Commander type that practically looks like the, the other is the grunt Normal type without the horns.
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>>13751987
That might be hard. He hates you guys.
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What is it about Meltrandi women that turns me on so much /m/?
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Will they ever touch the Supervision Army?
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>>13753581
>Will they ever touch the Megaroad

The answer to both these questions is probably not
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>>13753581
They already did in Macross 7. No reason to revisit it.
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>>13753581

Supposedly Delta's going to deal pretty heavily with the Protoculture according to an interview with Kawamori.

Which is good, since aside from the revelation that a lot of their technology being inspired by/reverse-engineered from the Vajra, we didn't really get a whole lot of new info.
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>>13753755
The original Supervision Army is still out there. The lame reveal in 7 doesn't matter
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>>13751746

They've also got little antennae in Mikimoto's Macross: The First mango.
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>>13753581
Is there a point in doing so? Functionally, the Supervision Army are just Zentradi who are fighting for the other Protoculture faction. The only thing they had that the Zentradi didn't are reaction weaponry (it isn't explicitly stated that the Supervision Army is capable of repairing things). It would just be a re-hash of SDF Macross.
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>>13753581
It's a mop up operation. Supervision Army aren't taking on the Zentradi Army head on they are attacking their supply lines through Factory Satellites.

>>13754397
Protodevlin actually. While the modern Supervision Army are giants back during the Protodevlin War they had Protoculture among them. This cause chaos among Zentradi as they are programmed not to shoot Protoculture (Miclones). The Protoculture had no choice but rescind those orders. When the the fighting was over 85% of the Protoculture was lost numbering in the hundreds of billions thus a broken chain of command over the Zentradi. Only a few of the Zentradi main fleets received the order not to interfere with the Protoculture (Miclones).
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>>13753072
A knockoff VF-25 with forward swept wings?
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>>13755213
Yes.
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>>13755439
I get that they were trying to capture the YF-29's fold aura at the top of the picture there, but instead it just looks like it's spraying piss out of its engines.
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I watched through Aquarion EVOL with my mom watching most of it and played Bayonetta while an aunt watched me.

I don't know how you fags are so insecure of yourselves.

Maybe because I actually have a real career I don't give a fuck.
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>>13756437
This anon is cool as fuck.
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>>13756572
Fuck Klan
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>>13724461

Man, first episode and she's already mounted him. I think we have a winner.
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