>>13721795 >Due to the vast usage of stock footage depicting the Leos being destroyed with ease, a meme of sorts has started showing that the Leo is actually one of the weakest units in the Gundam metaverse. >This has caused many to overlook its actual specs and balanced performance.
>>13721313 IIRC the animators were inconsistent. I seem to remember one shot when the longswan was still in pieces and the head was shown lying on the ground without the mask. It still had that typical OZ look, but it was very much a separate piece and not just a stump growing out of the torso.
>>13723388 Both. Also, avionics and electronics play a big role in making a fighting machine effective. It's one of the strongest features of the F-35 posted in >>13723381 It's sort of like saying "I don't know if the M1 is better than the M60 because of its advanced FCS, or is just a better machine."
>>13723391 The Leo RD has an extra part that allows it to turn its head. The ones that can't are probably just earlier models.
>>13723388 The Leo is 20 years old by the time Wing rolled around. The Taurus is leagues faster with much better weapons. The Virgo has much better defense and a powerful beam cannon. The Leo never stood a chance in Wing. Even the Aries has flight over it.
>>13721100 I always figured the neck joint was something added to the Leo later on. I mean the Leo has been in service for 20 some odd years by the time Wing starts, makes sense they'd make upgrades and changes as time went on.
Like whoever originally designed the Leo thought that it'd never get into a situation where it'd need to turn its head, maybe because of other sensors in the MS and the fact it was the first mass produced MS in that timeline IIRC, but as it was used out in the field shit happened to show them how wrong they were.
This kind of shit happens with real world military hardware, just look at the M16.
>>13723382 Against Gundams they're effectively equal.
Virgo II lost features that the first Virgo had.
Also the Serpents are arguably the worst grunts in the series.
And the Wing Zero is somehow the most powerful machine despite being one of the earliest ones they ever made. Even discounting the Zero System, somehow it had downgrades to specs and weapon loadout when making the Wing.
>>13728417 The problem with the Serpents is they had hugely inexperienced pilots and the heaviness of neo titanium meant your actions generally had to have purpose: you couldn't in mid-stride, change your plans up because you were so heavy and you had so much inertia.
They are literally built around the same battle style as the Heavyarms: to occupy positions of strength, mow down your enemies via attrition and superior armor, then the guys behind you are still fresh pour forward to turtle the position as you reload your weapons.
They are designed to take territory, not occupy it.
The problem is that this is basically an extension of exactly what Leos were designed to do 20 years ago, pushed to its logical extreme by people who were technologically isolated -- given that the Serpent is originally designed in spec to be the ground-force followup behind Operation Meteor: the intention being that the Gundams are terror weapons designed to reduce the enemy's willingness to face you and then the Serpents grind down whatever resistance is left. Yes, its been modernized but you can only push those refinements so far with limited resources when the empire you're trying to revive has fallen.
They are designed to excel in conventional warfare, its a given that they get slaughtered by a small number of units designed exclusively for short-duration high impact blitzkreig style assault warfare.They use their low numbers to ensure the enemy doesn't have a lot to shoot at, that their strikes count and that they trick the enemy into presenting themselves as a target rich environment.
Literally, the Gundams were designed in spec, to batter Leos.
Of COURSE a machine that's 20 years obsolete built with the same insane mentality as the Tallgeese but applied to attrition warfare rather than mobility warfare, is going to lose against the Gundams.
But in the same way the Tallgeese gives the Gundams a run for their money, the Serpent would do the same to any conventional Oz grunt.
>>13728417 The specs being downgraded were presumably to ensure the pilots could handle it, since they were excessive, and the reason for the weapons downgrade was definitely because the TBR was so excessively powerful that they didn't want it to actually exist.
>>13723525 No, the ammunition that they shot was dirty as fuck, and the direct impingement gas system fouled the bolt carrier group faster. Throw that into the jungle with poorly supplied, barely trained draftees and you have rifles that won't work.
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