This board needs more strong female pilots.
But Kallen wasn't even strong. She was a weak willed retard who blindly followed Zero and then flipped back and forth like a fucking retard. She wasn't even that great a mech pilot... literally her only means of fighting was to run up and grab people and activate the solar hand. Meanwhile Suzaku is flipping around like a ninja.
Code Geass also gives us Oldrin in Oz
She was flipping around at Suzaku's level in the final episode. She even "beat" him ( according to Suzaku, though it was more like a draw). Kallen was pretty damn good.
Anyways. Haman was always great.
She managed to survive against Sutherlands in a Glasgow, even after her arm got taken off. That by itself is an indicator of the skill that got her into the Gurren in the first place.
In the dialogue he mentions that even with the extra fighting power he gets from his Geass he cant seem to manage to to take her out. It didn't seem like he was throwing the duel.
Let's face it, that was some asspull shit to throw Kallen a bone. Up until that point she never displays even half of Suzaku's piloting ability and Suzaku was fighting to lose and to not kill her.
Kallen is many things. Sexy. Cool mech. Hotblooded. A cashew. But she's not a good pilot and is kind of a retard.
Reminder that she was intended to be one of Dendoh's pilots, the mech just chose somebody else. She also kinda co-piloted Dendoh in episode 1 by telling the boys what to do. It's a shame she didn't get to actually pilot the thing, but it's not that she needs a mech to kick ass. Unless her bike counts as a mech.
>SRW Z2 gives her an ace bonus where she casts Strike every turn past 130 will
>In Z3, the attack she appears in has her miss every single shot fired while Shinn and Rey do all the damage, until she finally uses Impulse's sword to get a hit in
Someone at Banpresto was having a giggle
I honestly cant believe there hasnt been a female gundam main protag. Jesus 2016. Youd think by now it would have come up as an idea.
Not like they're underepresented. A lot of the best pilots in Gundam that aren't MCs are girls. Often batshit insane girls sure, but still. Haman, Four, Roux, Allenby, Katejina, Barara, etc
>Red hair makes the female mech pilot move three times faster
I would post Asuka too if not for the fact that being a shit pilot is essentially half of her character.
My number one pick in in here, so I'll go with the next one.
Maybe not too "Strong" But very hot headed.
She does get shit done though as much as she may get herself in hot water.
We need adorable female pilots
with high chances of survival
I appreciate the way you think.
Good, for the first third of the show. You're stuck with crabsticks for the rest of it, but they're not bad by crabstick standards. Definitely watchable.
It's a great show, you should give it a try.
From what I remember, it was more like Phoenix was there somewhere since the very first episode, and it tended to show itself in the form of child!Vega for some reasons that seem poorly explained, though it might be just the crabstick subs I watched.
BTW. there used to be some interesting materials regarding the series on chara designer's site, inclding a timeline of Alktos history; IIRC according to this one Dendoh along with several similar mecha was build way before Vega was born.
> Up until that point she never displays even half of Suzaku's piloting ability and Suzaku was fighting to lose and to not kill her.
She just barely lost to Suzaku several times, being one of the few enemy pilots to actually be able to land a significant hit on him in battle. In the second battle of Tokyo Suzaku is also forced to use the Fleija by his Geass because he can't win and Kallen will kill him otherwise.
Even if Suzaku intended on losing in the final battle, he very openly was admitting to himself that Kallen and the Gurren were at the level where he couldn't win anyways, even with the help of his Geass. And if we watch the fight, Suzaku isn't fighting at any less of level than usual, and Kallen is keeping up. Zero scheming doesn't negate what we actually see on screen in this case.
>First battle in Tokyo
Okay, also good job using an example in which she had a machine that had higher specs than his.
>he very openly was admitting to himself that Kallen and the Gurren were at the level where he couldn't win anyways, even with the help of his Geass.
He never stated.
>My blows can't connect! Even though I'm using the curse of the Geass.
He is saying this while looking legitimately surprised as well.
Shinjuku is hardly even a fight, Suzaku just flips in and wrecks Kallen grunt unit in a few seconds. Nothing to see here.
In Narita Suzaku only wins because Kallen blocks his shot and the pressure causes the ground underneath her to crumble. Up to that point they are fighting on entirely equal terms.
At the docks they just flip around without anything conclusive happening.
The first tokyo first was clearly Suzaku's victory. Though he had a tech advantage of the flight pack, he wins because he manages to take off the Guren's arm while it takes off his arm, up to that point he is still having some difficulty though.
Over the ocean Kallen gets knocked out in one long ranged shot when he she has a tech disadvantage. Once Kallen gets tech at Suzaku's level neither does anything significant to the other.
At the second Tokyo battle Kallen completely wrecks him while having better tech.
Then in their final fight Kallen technically wins, with better tech.
The only time either of them won over the other without a major tech imbalance being involved was Narita, and that time their actual fighting skill was equal, with Suzaku only winning insofar as the ground crumbled beneath the Guren and this gave him a chance to leave the area and go chase Lelouch. Suzaku is the better pilot, but not by all that much.
>Even if Suzaku intended on losing in the final battle, he very openly was admitting to himself that Kallen and the Gurren were at the level where he couldn't win anyways, even with the help of his Geass
So you were fucking wrong! Thanks for embrassing yourself for me.
>Then in their final fight Kallen technically wins, with better tech.
Wrong again dumbfuck
People are still arguing over who the better pilot was? Come on, it's obvious the show intended for them to be equal. Not that it matters in the long run - this is just something for idiots to argue and beat their dicks over, but I'll play ball too.
Kallen wins one battle, Suzaku wins another. Tech advantages change over time from one fighter to the other. You don't need to comb over every detail to understand how their rivalry works. Even in their final duel, the show makes it abundantly clear they're on equal grounds as they struggle to defeat one another:
>"I can't beat her. Even using the geass I'm cursed with. Your strength is unimaginable, Kallen."
>"My machine has better specs than yours, and yet... Suzaku, even with your strength -- why?!"
Both their knightmares became inoperable at the same time. There was no winner. Although you could argue Suzaku won because he accomplished his ultimate objective for the Zero Requiem, but as far as raw fighting skill is concerned, they're equal. It's apparent that's what the show intended to portray.
Sayla from "first Gundam"?
Kallen was following Zero for the sake of her country, which was good reason. The only times she flipped it was Lelouch's fault. She was second best after Suzaku. Not her fault the Guren was close range by design.
This goes beyond just women fighting. Police, rescue services, every time you bring in women to fill in their damn quotas they are risking peoples' lives just to get tax breaks and go 'oh look how progressive we are'. This is unacceptable, but please, continue to excuse incompetence just because it happens to be from a woman.
You can call me whatever you like. As I see it, it's a matter of simple respect. I don't know where this guy is from, but I'd be willing to bet money that his nation's army has female soldiers, and I'm willing to bet that this army has been deployed overseas in a combat capacity, or domestically as part of disaster relief. They will have fought, killed and died for their country. They will have saved the lives of their comrades and the citizens they've been sworn to protect. All so some dude on the internet can angrily slap away at his keyboard in a vain attempt at covering for his own insecurities. If making fun of this loser makes me the bad guy then hand me my Snidley Whiplash mustache.
The sad part is I bet you honestly believe that dribble. You know what they do? They do jack all and than get praised for being 'so brave' and 'amazing' when all they fucking do is hang back at fucking base, or worse, slowing the entire team down because the standards for women are so piss boilingly low an ant can trip over it
How many shows have two female pilots pass the mech-combat Bechdel test?
>lowering the quality of life
Please, keep talking, it's genuinely pretty funny now.
The bechdel test wasn't even supposed to be seen as all encompassing and conclusive by it's creator and people apply it outside of it's intended parameters all the time so it's not surprising. It's purely a measure for movies and was only meant to demonstrate the type of roles or prominence women receive in certain types of films.
It was devised by a particularly crazy dyke character in a joke cartoon strip. The people who take it even remotely seriously are literally insane.
The joke, if people are stuggling, is that the bar is incredibly easy to clear, but Hollywood can't seem to manage it with any degree of regularity.
Somewhat amusingly, anime regularly passes the test even (sometimes especially) within the realms of action dominated genre fiction.
Except that one of the best pilots in the original SDFM was a woman, you ignorant little shit.
> Basic biology says that women are no different from men when it comes to piloting since strength, men's main advantage makes no difference in a cockpit. Basic psychology says that women are at least men's equal as pilots and possibly their superior since they take less risks and while they score less kills they also die less often and land safely more often.
> History of females pilots, both military (see female Russian pilots in WW2 for instance) and civilian holds this up since they tend to perform just as well over all as men
> Insert cherry picked examples of women fucking up here
> Ignore that examples can be cherry picked of men fucking up just as easily
>In the second battle of Tokyo Suzaku is also forced to use the Fleija by his Geass because he can't win and Kallen will kill him otherwise.
Using this as an example really does more harm to your argument than good.
The test is limited and flawed, obviously. That doesn't mean it isn't an interesting way to analyze something, though. I'm not aware of anyone outside tumblr who's going around claiming the Bechdel test is hard, undeniable proof of gender equality (or lack thereof) within a work of fiction.
GUYS GUYS GUYS
Women are more then capable of dropping bombs on brown people from 5,000 ft in the air, after the cruise missiles have taken out radar and shit, and just as good as shooting Hellfire missiles at wedding parties from drones "piloted" from New Mexico.
There is, like, zero need to argue.
Within the circles you're referring to, there was debate and discussion about how appropriate the test is to use in the specific, brought on by Pacific Rim, which doesn't pass the test but features a woman in a central role with the best structured character arc.
The test is most 'useful' when you're talking about the entire film industry. You can look at ten or fifteen films and see that only a couple of them actually feature two women having a conversation about something plot relevant. I realise that here of all place most people don't give a shit, but when I see that I find myself tilting my head.
Wanted to hate-fuck her so badly. Her death wasn't satisfying enough. And Ali killed her faggot brother too quickly. Also, what the hell was up with her clone in the movie with the same VA and everything?
> women only count if they do something that changed the course of the war all on their own
> men count if they just do the grunt work that contributes to the overall success of the war in small ways
> women don't count if all they did was count towards that overall success just as much as men and be just as successful as men when looked at statistically
>but Hollywood can't seem to manage it with any degree of regularity.
That's because outside of a bad chick comedy no one wants to listen two dumb bitches get together so they can moan about everything in the universe.
And it's just as easy to show a squirrel eating nuts in every single movie, just as pointless too.
Considering the war was run through the Red Trooper, and lots of them, and not your precious wittle witch squadron, yes, I have a reason to dismiss your group's effectiveness.
They were also ugly too.
>> Basic biology says that women are no different from men when it comes to piloting since strength, men's main advantage makes no difference in a cockpit. Basic psychology says that women are at least men's equal as pilots and possibly their superior since they take less risks and while they score less kills they also die less often and land safely more often.
Except males have lower visual reaction time (i.e. faster to react) than females.
Movies guys wanna watch - dudes shooting shit up
Movies girls wanna watch - dudes romancing girls
Movies nobody outside of lesbians wanna watch - girls talking to each other not about guys
So you're saying most people have shit taste and a lot of popular movies are crap?
> There were more men therefor only the men count
> It doesn't matter that women were performing just as well as males because there weren't more of them
> also we shouldn't have more female soldiers to allow them to contribute just as much as men numerically because they've never done so in the past and that means they can't do so at all
Men do have lower visual reaction times, but they also have worse snap decision making skills according to many of the same tests, probably because they process information better going by the results. Which is probably why men make more kills, but women come home more often. Which given the cost of training a pilot is pretty important.
"preforming just as well as men", do you kiss your mother with that shit stained mouth, your examples didn't change a thing, they could've blinked out of existence and the war would still be won, why? Because of the red trooper, the male, red, trooper. Your shit is barely worth a goddamn footnote yet you're acting like they're the hottest shit since sliced bread. And don't you even dare suggest letting them serve as ground troops, they are horrible at it.
Legitimately asking here, where is this discussion actually supposed to take place? /pol/, /his/, /sci/ or /k/? I'm thinking /k/ since this is mainly talking about combat related things, but I'd like to know for certain. This is all ignoring the obvious answer of /trash/, of course.
>a real conflict
Between nukes, cruise missiles and drones I don't see much in the future that doesn't involve bombing brown people, do you?
Certainly the further in the future we go, with the pace of technology there would be LESS of a need for humans flying.
You're not going to argue BOOTS ON THE GROUND with human pilots are you?
They're expensive wind-up toys that cause more problems than solve. Unless you somehow make a Cortana esque AI that can do everything from analyzing possible enemy aircraft movements to fucking tapdancing I suggest you keep your little abominations somewhere else. Like the garbage can.
> saying they performed as well as men within the small scale they were used is the same as saying they're the hottest shit since sliced bread
> the fact they performed just as well as men doesn't matter because there weren't more of them
Only because of how low humanity has fallen. Can hardly call any of the fuckers I work with 'men', soft featured, gomless, ball-less 'mister sensitive' types who couldn't make a decision to save their own lives. A farcry to the men of the previous generations, or the generations before them.
Doesn't matter, no politico will risk humans if they can send out a bunch of drone no one cares about.
Both Technology and Politics is against you,
Get used to 200 lb female elite drone pilots crying about PTSD on Ellen in 2034.
> proof that women are just as good at men as piloting exists
> nooooo - women pilots don't count because there were more male ones and they won the war and that's all that matters
> why are you being such a bigot and not believing my unfounded bias against women that relies upon ignoring research and facts before changing the goalposts and skewing analysis to suit myself anon?
I think /pol/ is going to be very disappointed when they learn Trump isn't actually a national socialist, and is just parroting some Ann Coulter crap.
Congratulations, you foudn a small group of remotely competent female pilots, supposing the Soviets weren't fudging their combat records for propaganda reasons.
Shame just about every other, male, air group outdoes them across the entire board
Fuck this conversation. I'm dumping my female pilot folder. You can decide if they are strong or not.
Have you even seen your dick any time in the past five years? Maybe if someone knelt down and held up a mirror, but I can't imagine anyone could stand being in a room with you while you're naked.
Certainly sounds like a plan, friend. Though as an aside I'm astonished by how persistent the kinds of people obsessed over perceived female inferiority tend to be. That one guy's been keeping busy.
I could have posted her in the retarded dress.
I go to /m/ to avoid these kind of political conversations. Shame.
Oh hey, you also posted another great /m/ redhead.
I FUCKING HATE YOU TWO SO GODDAMN MUCH
HOW DO YOU HAVE THE ENERGY TO KEEP THIS UP
Yeah, I'm not a big zoids fan but the girls were nice.
> such a retarded, stereotype
... I think you missed the point of G-Gundam. You did see the Giant Sombero colony, and the Boxing Football Gun Gundam right?
And the Zulu Gundam. God bless japan.
>IIRC according to this one Dendoh along with several similar mecha was build way before Vega was born.
We know that's true,
we see like six GEARs in a flashback, including Dendoh and Ogre - one for each Data Weapon, maybe? They all got destroyed except for those two when the planet was taken over though.
CAN YOU SAY "COMPLETELY FORGOTTEN ABOUT IN THE FINALE"?
BECAUSE I'M STILL FUCKING PISSED ABOUT THAT, LET ME TELL YOU.
Also, on the subject of the pic, anyone have that shot of her with the Getter Tomahawks?
Are you talking about Flame Talk?
Also, I believe the explanation was that it just chose that version of her as an avatar to talk to humans.
>CAN YOU SAY "COMPLETELY FORGOTTEN ABOUT IN THE FINALE"?
I will never not be mad about that.
When did this ARGH I HATE WOMEN shit become popular? Has it always been there and I just never fucking noticed? Is there some big underground movement going on or some shit?
Christ, I can't go anywhere without someone making some horseshit about how society is so unfair to men and women are ruining everything.
>Has it always been there and I just never fucking noticed?
Yes, but in recent years there's been a particularly vocal minority that just won't shut up about it. It's pretty big on Reddit.
Damn it catchpa, STOP is not a street name sign.
It's always these vocal minorities. I hear about them everywhere. Whenever shit goes down anywhere in the world, I can be sure that those dastardly vocal minorites are somehow involved.
Every awful vocal minority exists on reddit.
I know that 4chan can be/is a shithole, but man, it's just something about that fucking upvote/downvote system that brings out the fucking cultist in people, it's awful.
Even on /v/, nobody can ACTUALLY shush my opinion, even if everyone in the thread thinks it's stupid.
Best advice switch to Legacy captcha, it makes everything easier, even if you can't stack them.
Starting around ~2010 tumblr SJW begin inroads to 4chan via /co/, a bit later /news/ came back as /pol/. There began a slow escalation in the culture wars left and right over the years that EXPLODED last year with the phenomena now called GamerGate and led to among other things, Moot quitting, and weaponization of of /v/ against all perceived leftism SJWs all over 4chan.
>something about that fucking upvote/downvote system
It's just the worst. Even if you set aside how it's tailor made for circlejerks, it's just ugly and poorly conveys information.
This thread has increasingly become less women and more girls in general, so.
I remembered another redhead.
rewarding psuedo anonymity never ends well.
good thing this isn't the wo/m/en thread then.
Whoops, I suppose I got the titles mixed up when I popped in.
Basically a bunch of men( and woman, there are allot of women involved) got tired of feminist bullshit so they started pointing out how backwards most of it is. This attracted a bunch of people who take legitimately good points against feminism's mistakes and exaggerate them quite a bit, sometimes( but pretty rarely) bordering on misogyny.
Yes, objectively speaking there have been well noted problems with jobs having their application standards lowered in order to fit a quota for female applicants. That doesn't mean that no woman can even be capable of these jobs, it just means that they are a minority.
Feminists are wrong that sexual difference can be entirely reduced down to social structures, everyone with half a brain realizes this. It doesn't mean that all women are entirely incapable, or that a woman could never be better than a man or even most men at a traditionally masculine pursuit. Going that far to the other side is just being needlessly reactionary.
Calling anyone who points out that sexual difference is real and that we shouldn't ignore it a misogynist only legitimizes the actions of the extremists though. That is a big part of this whole mess.
But this shit has nothing to do with this thread. Anime is not real life, and this thread is about anime, so its a moot point.
More 2D bad-ass woman pilots please.
on an off note I really love this guy's art.
I honestly haven't heard of "feminist bellyaching" until this MRA shit came crashing in, and turns everything into complaining about women. In fact, I'd actually forgotten that those kind of people even existed. To this very day, I've seen more MRA horseshit than any feminist rant on how men are pigs.
Oh hey, actually, good time to remember this thing existed.
But gamergate started on reddit and came here. It started because reddit mods on popular gaming subreddits were mass deleting posts about Zoe Quinn and they flocked to other sites, for the same thing to happen, and finally they came to /v/ where there was only a minor whiff of it all, but naturally those posts got deleted from /v/ too.
Hey we hit bump limit, image limit still 150?
MRA shit barely exists outside of a small part of youtube, voat, and 4chan. People who just don't like feminism because it's insane just don't like feminism, they're not MRAs.
On the other hand, the literal dumbest, craziest, feminist shit gets public service posters in public spaces.
You're probably just a sack of shit.
I realise that Fatimas aren't pilots, but still.
It's Obari's style of drawing human faces.
>sexual difference can be entirely reduced down to social structures
There is a difference between the average feminist and tumblr cultists. What baffles me is that there is such a huge amount of perpetual butthurt against modern feminism yet there is next to no reactionary groups for other radical groups like neo-nazis and shit.
>There is a difference between the average feminist and tumblr cultists.
It wasn't tumblr cultists who convinced NYC to post public service ads about manspreading or publicly rip apart a scientist - to the point of tears - for wearing some dinky shirt his female friend made for him on what should've been one of the best days of his life. The tumblrites are just crazies who stick to tumblr because they're too sensitive to do anything besides cry on their shitty blogs.
The media has ripped on people much harder than anything this guy went through and they handled the bantz better than him. "to the point of tears" isn't a good indicator of anything.
For a moment I thought you're trying to argue why the reactionary movement for feminism exists, but now I'm lost.
>The media has ripped on people much harder than anything this guy went through and they handled the bantz better than him. "to the point of tears" isn't a good indicator of anything.
Oh go fuck yourself, it was completely genuinely uncalled for
Yeah, what happened to the comet scientist guy was terrible, but IMO it has more to do with how the Internet has changed public discourse than feminism itself. Until the mid-80s, some tightwad who didn't like his shirt might have written a small fluff piece about it in the paper, where people would have either ignored it or wrote letters to the editor. Nowadays, though, an article like the one that started that particular mess will get tweeted and retweeted, with angry people from both sides pouring in and making a mountain out of a molehill. The same thing regularly happens with things unrelated to feminism--just recently, Steve Harvey set Twitter alight when he made a mistake during some beauty pageant or something (and beauty pageants aren't known for featuring a lot of feminists--too 'objectifying' and all that).
These days, the smallest of mistakes can get you raked over the coals thanks to Twitter, Facebook, or just about any medium where sending a clickbait article to hundreds of people is as easy as clicking "share." This applies to many, many things besides feminism.
No its about feminism, no one wants to object to it because they're women and they don't want to be labeled as misogynists, these bitches get away with murder because they're women yet still act like they're being bullied, its disgusting.
>there is next to no reactionary groups for other radical groups like neo-nazis and shit.
Because those groups are insignificant. Nobody takes them seriously.
Third wave feminism is actually impacting the culture today, and its not gonna get better.
I felt bad for Matt Taylor, but at the same time I had to shake my head. It's the biggest moment of his career, he's going to be on international television and he walks on stage in shorts and untucked short sleeves. Hire a suit, fuck.
Go fuck yourself, feminism in its current form is disgusting and everyone is bending over supporting it because they're afraid of being labeled misogynists.
Fuck that, fuck them, how long til just telling a woman 'no' gets you labeled as one huh?
>publicly rip apart a scientist - to the point of tears - for wearing some dinky shirt his female friend made for him on what should've been one of the best days of his life
Can I get a link about this?