>>13711504 I don't think he's changed. His writing has been weirdly incoherent forever. Gundam 0079 was just quite 'together' compared to his other stuff. And I like the strange rambling storyline in most of his stuff. Even loved Brain Powerd and G-Reco
>>13711504 There was him forgetting about the Arcane waverider, but that's him just being old. His stuff is mostly the same as it was before. >>13711525 >G-reco was a mess I don't think it was, it just seemed that way because they were off packing to another planet/colony every other episode.
>>13711525 Ideon was hampered by really shitty subs for a long time. It isn't written any different from the rest of Tomino's shows if you know moon or have the better subs that are slowly being done for the blurays.
>>13711509 I think he was "weighed down" by the gravity of the studio execs in the 80s through early 90s, he was Sunrise's bitch. By Turn A gundam, he gained immense power and could do anything he want, Sunrise became his bitch.
He's always been a crazy fucker. Just sometimes his works hit it off with the right crowd, either because of random chance or because he worked along with someone for long enough that they managed to contain him.
I wish he would've done more comedic stuff like Xabungle in his career, it seems to fit him more. A lot of his dramatic shows end up being weird masturbatory sessions featuring embarrassingly poor writing.
>>13712217 >I'm not gonna let you say anything in Xabungle was incoherent. >the 3 day rule >The Blue stones >Timp's entire motivation
I love Xabungle but to say its free from Tomino's atypical weirdness because is purely comedic is retarded especially when the plot is paper thin and used mainly as a vehicle to get the cast into hilarious situations to quip.
>>13712226 Hey, the 3 day rule and the blue stones thing were deliberately arbitrary shit made up by the Innocent for their initial "forcing the Civillians to get fed up with their shit and rebel/evolve" plan. I forgot what Timp's motivation was.
>>13712088 >G-Reco >liberal mecha propaganda If you stopped going to /pol/ and watched some of his shows other than G-Reco you'd realize Tomino isn't liberal, hell he doesn't even dislike war, the message of that show is that people who try to go to war after a long period of doing nothing will just not work, as it will ultimately be their own fall.
>>13712226 The 3 day rule never made sense in show but the blue stones were never real to begin with. Tomino shows are only as "incoherent" depending on if you like them or not but because Xabungle is a 4th wall breaking comedy its okay. And yeah in regards to Timp its never explained why he killed Jiron's parents as well.
>>13712231 Newtypes became too much in the last half of Zeta and the entirety of ZZ where they became these psychic supermen whose powers would literally cross over into the physical realm and do weird shit.
>>13711516 G Reco is barely harder to follow than L-Gaim, what G Reco sucks at is giving proper context for the things they talk about and even then it makes sense if you just keep watching and read the subs because you end up seeing for yourself what most of the things they mention are and the pacing is awful as well for a 26 episode series. The only thing worse than it I've seen out of Tomino is the Turn A movies.
That just doesnt work for most people because they get turned off when they get confused by something. If I continued to go by /m/'s critique of G Reco I'd say barely anyone here read anything that wasn't battle dialogue which always boils down to MC shouting at people who can't hear him.
>>13712656 >If I continued to go by /m/'s critique of G Reco I'd say barely anyone here read anything that wasn't battle dialogue which always boils down to MC shouting at people who can't hear him. You can say that about Zeta, Victory, and Brain Powered shows people here claim to be Tomino at his worst.
>>13712671 >Zeta, Victory >shows people here claim to be Tomino at his worst Maybe not at his worst, but he certainly didn't want to work on them. And you could tell by drama for the sake of drama and how lazily written they are.
Then Turn A. I mean, who in their right mind would have tried to force all series, UC or otherwise, to end in one final series, knowing full well it would still continue on? And who in their right mind would let someone drastically redesign the iconic Gundam so much it's hated for so many years and only now, in recent years, is accepted at all?
G-Reco wasn't much better than Turn A, but it was what Turn A should have been, with a different enough but still more familiar take on the standard Gundam design, though the story has pacing issues.
>>13711504 G-Reco made clear that he's senile already. I mean, sure, all his shows have autistic characters and shitty pacing, but G-Reco definitely takes the cake. It's such an incoherent mess it's not even funny:
The choppy editing, the abrupt cuts, the exposition dumps, the lack of context, all those different factions with poorly explained motivations and goals, the awkward scenes with people working together to do anything one scene, then trying to kill each others the next, and holy shit the dialogue, man. The autism is real. Every single time anybody opens their mouth is to say some nonsense, or if they ever say something coherent, then the next character will go off on a completely unexpected tangent. And all that while they make spastic movements every so often. The whole show feels like an ADHD fueled fever nightmare.
>>13711525 >Dunbine: A guy got transported into a fantasy world and got involved in a war. Then the war escalates to the real world and it turns the cold war into a mess. >Ideon: A bunch of people found an ancient robot and runs away from a group of people who wanted it because it's a hax machine. >G-Reco: ...What was it about again?
>>13712731 Kamille can at least actually get out of bed by the end of ZZ. The only info we've ever gotten beyond that was some side material saying he became a doctor and moved to the moon with Fa, but like all things not animated that's only canon until something else contradicts in.
>>13712806 I have seen it though. It just doesn't feel Gundam despite all those homages/parodies of certain iconic MS. I don't hate it either, but it isn't anything I'd enjoy watching past a 2nd run to miss anything from the initial run.
The story was ok, but nothing outstanding, and really didn't make sense in trying to link every series prior to Turn A, to it and end it there. It may as well have been its own original series like Brain Powered; just change the MS designs a bit more to not homage other MS, and omit the other Gundam series flashbacks to some generic black histories and leave everything else as-is.
Basically, the plot and setting doesn't feel distinctly Gundam, and would have been better suited as a non-Gundam entry.
>>13712845 It would have been better if it was just pure Syd Mead mecha in future Victorian setting, like those older sci-fi novels set in a future Victorian setting but with seemingly random high-tech elements.
In fact, there's at least one or two old novels that almost has the exact same core setup. Earth bombed back to the Victorian age, survivors on the Moon wanting to return for resources and whatnot, advance scouts sent in, some defect and end up joining and even leading the Earth forces to gradually repel the incoming Moonvaders using salvaged tech, and it ends with the big Moonvader bad guy and his special ship destroyed.
>>13713257 Well at any rate he needs at least 39-43 episodes to do something reasonably paced (although even then it's not a full guarantee, since Ideon is plodding while Daitarn chased its own tail for the majority of the show). The downside is, barely much shows have that kind of episode total nowadays, putting aside Tomino getting too old to do full shows alone.
>>13713204 >Yet, it somehow managed to work for Zambot 3, of all things. That is because he made Zambot thinking he was going to turn it into a movie. He thought about the emotional climaxes he wanted and then he put the other episodes around it. Too bad the movie never happened.
>>13713393 You Tuna fans really need a better respond than "lol he probably didn't even see it".
I saw it years ago, and apparently it failed to make any impression on me because I was fighting to stay awake watching it.
One of the few things I took away from it was that nobody acted like human beings. Nobody reacts to the invasion in a manner that is in any way emphatic to the viewer. The main character is as weird as they come with an extremely simplistic motivation that is impossible to care about.
>>13713441 What "old /m/"? This place has been the same shit the last decade I've been here. Are you talking around the time when there was supposedly 5 SEED Destiny topics on the front page constantly? Yeah what a time.
>>13713457 If you're talking old /m/, there's always this (I know that the blog's dead, but that's besides the point): https://tsuzukusekai.(word and press).com/2008/12/22/yelling-courage-and-pew-pew-or-how-i-became-a-man-part-1/ https://tsuzukusekai.(word and press).com/2008/12/26/how-i-became-a-man-and-beyond-part-2/
>>13713506 Of course it didn't, but for some reason people have always paid a silly amount of reverence to a franchise that while being a cultural classic has never really had a genuinely good show. And you may disagree and say that you think this show and this show is good, but all the preferences are just way too happenstance, none of the shows are anything you could show to someone who hasn't been conditioned to like this shit without them looking at you funny.
>>13714910 I'm not talking about anyone being brainwashed, but obviously something has happened to us in here since we can look at a show like Zeta Gundam and find it at least moderately entertaining. Try showing an episode of that to any normie and they'd wonder wtf was wrong with you.
>>13716865 >There's nothing to understand, you just made shit up to cover all the holes Just because you couldn't understand the show doesn't mean people can't. I just watched the show like any other person and understood it just fine, without the need to make things up.
Zeta. But then he got it back with Xabungle. Then he lost it again with F91. Then he got it back again with Brain Powerd. And so on and so forth. He's just a human roller coaster. I hope he works on something that's universally loved before he dies.
>>13712806 I watched it, like all other Gundam, and it is my third least favorite out of the franchise. I don't exactly hate it, it's the most tolerable of the three shows that I actively disliked (all other Gundam shows falling between "liked" and "loved") but it's definitely in the "did not like" pile.
>G-Reco: A scheming commander tricks a naive kid into getting captured by a rival faction and this incites a war and the breaking of past taboos.Part of the motivation for inciting this war was a possible invasion of earth by spacenoids.
>>13718646 >Part of the motivation for inciting this war was a possible invasion of earth by spacenoids. He didn't start the war for this though. He started it because, according to people from Venus Globe, war speeds development and evolution.
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