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Now that the dust has settled, what does /m/ think of Pacific Rim?
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Nothing much to shit post about this one. It's still a solid /m/ movie. Made me wet in the pants.
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>>13710460
pretty mediocre. that whole concept of requiring 2 people to have good synergy with each others brains hooked up to the machine is retarded as fuck.
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Rinko a cute.

I want to lick those eye brows.
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>>13710460
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>>13710460
Not enough mech action.

Too many plot holes that result in an endless series of Frodo questions.

Needs more Jaegirls.

Needs that one artist to continue their Femacost comic.
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It's an okay super robot vs kaiju /m/ovie.
I enjoyed how campy it was at times (whenever Ron Perlman was on camera)
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>>13710460
Loved it, gets better each time I watch it.

Crimson Typhoon best Jaeger.

Only thing I didn't care for was Ron Perlman's character, which is usually the opposite of how I normally feel.
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It was pretty cool, jaegirls are trash and cancerous to threads.
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>>13710521
what? Pearlman's charisma was practically oozing out of the screen.
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the best film in an anemic genre

lots of flaws, but most people seem to be able to take them in stride and enjoy the movie for what it is and the absolute joy for the genre that del toro injected into the production

one of the few big budget action movies that doesn't feel cynical or ironic in its portrayal of a completely bonkers concept
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Leatherback best Kawaiiju.
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It was great.

>>13710475
>that whole concept of having giant interdimensional aliens is retarded as fuck.

It's a fictional contrivance m80.

Also, re:Sword, if you can't infer that they retrofitted it, and that Mako due to her n00b status forgot to share that info with Raleigh is a plot hole, you're possibly autistic.

The only thing I think could've been better was the lull before the Hong Kong fight.
>>13710568
This is exactly how I feel.
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Not a great movie, but a great giant-robot movie. Horrible characters: short of the commander and scientists. Luckily they pulled away from a few worse paths.
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not my favorite giant robot movie
not my favorite giant monster movie
not my favorite GdT movie
a really fun movie and I'm glad I caught it a bunch of times at the local dollar theater
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It was a fun movie.
Worth the shekels spent watching.
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>>13710580
>that Mako due to her n00b status forgot to share that info with Raleigh is a plot hole

I always inferred that cutting/stabbing weapons were meant to be used as a last resort in order to control the spread of toxic Kaiju Blue near populated areas. That's why most Jaegers fighting tactics involve bludgeoning the target by punching it to death, concussive missiles, beating it over the head a tanker, etc.
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I thought it was a cool movie, that scene with Ron Perlman was pretty weird though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxJeGo6_JNQ
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>>13710675
Yeah, but explain Typhoon or wrist-blades on Striker
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>>13710678
Originally the character was envisioned to be a seedy middle-management drug dealer type. It wasn't until later in the production they made him a flamboyant crime boss archetype.
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>>13710710
I already explained it to you in that post:
>cutting/stabbing weapons were meant to be used as a last resort


And CT's blades seem to have a cauterizing effect since Otachi almost immediately stops bleeding. We don't see SE use it's blades in the battle for HK at all.
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>>13710710
They weren't in a populated area.
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>>13710734
>cauterizing

Ah, I totally forgot about that
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>>13710710
The Fluff says that Jaeger blade weapons are heat blades like on Zeon mobile suits. So they burn and cauterize as they cut.
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Not worth the high ticket cost.

Barely worth the back-alley theater cost. To be fair, I'm one who would rather be able to rent it for 3 days on my HDTV service and watch it a few times for no further cost rather than watching it once for far more cost.

Needed far more action with less jobbing in one or two battles and less pointless dialogue. Let the Jaegers not get fully repaired in time, and let them fall as exhaustion and attrition get to the pilots and the workers. I get they were trying to squeeze in what amounts to two movies worth of info into one movie, but it felt rushed and stale. I came hoping for plenty of mech action; instead I get mostly talk and drama and only a few minutes worth of action.
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>>13710710
>Typhoon
From the name, those are obviously fan blades, not saw blades.

The Typhoon's tactic was to chill the Kaiju down,
>Heeey kaiju dude
>Cool down man
>Don't be so angry
>We peace, okay
>You walk away, i walk away. U happy I happy, okay?

Too bad the kaiju don't speak Chinese.
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>>13710745
>The Fluff
Irrelevant in the context of the movie.

Also Gipsy's chainsword definitely splatters blood all over the stratosphere.

I'm not even complaining, honestly. It's been about a year since I've seen it
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>>13710755
This is the worst post I have seen in about 3 months
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>>13710755
Maybe they should've asked if it wanted City Beef?
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>>13710460
「Aboslutely amazing. Nagai and Obari agree’d.」
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>>13710756
>Also Gipsy's chainsword definitely splatters blood all over the stratosphere.

You mean the stratosphere where nobody lives? Better there than downtown Hong Kong.

Kaiju Blue containment is a thing in the PR universe. Rangers get graded on it during their training according to the comic book.
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>>13710771
>Rangers get graded on it during their training according to the comic book.
Again, that's not in the movie. And I don't even mind the retrofit of Gipsy etc.

>Better there than downtown Hong Kong.
Sure, but the fact it's chainblade doesn't cauterize anything is in opposition to what this says >>13710745
You sound like one of the faggots that tells people to "just read the LN"
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>>13710788
Not even that guy, but cauterizing doesn't mean a complete and instantaneous elimination of bleedage. It gets rid of most of it, but some bleeding will occur.
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>>13710460
the dust has settled for quite awhile anon.
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>>13710794
Right, but it shouldn't send flood all over the sky.

Also, I don't remember any steam under the ocean that would've been caused by Gipsy's sword.
I know there were vents though
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>>13710788
I alway felt that the Kaiju blue containment was implied when I watched the movie. When you think about it, there's really no reason to have it other than to serve as a plot device to so that humans have to build giant robots to punch the monsters to death.
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>>13710460
I want the sequel we are never getting.
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>>13710803
>was implied when I watched the movie
Yeah, I think they actually said something about blunt force in the prologue
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>>13710803
>I alway felt that the Kaiju blue containment was implied when I watched the movie
It was. Heavily.
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>>13710460
Story was average, and there weren't enough "epic" moments like when Gypsy Danger is walking back to Alaska after the battle. And the worldbuilding is lacking. But the CG is good, the storyline works as an action movie, complete with the last-minute asspulls like the sword, and Mako and Rawley's relationship works.
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>>13710460
The Atlantic Rim conflict was more entertaining. Especially since I was actually given this by an ignorant family member. I didn't have the heart to tell them it was the wrong ocean title.
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>>13710480
>That LONG
Is this Raita?
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Did it get a japanese dub?
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>>13710816
>Gypsy
>with two "y's"

You just have triggered my autism.
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>>13710794
I imagine it's harder to cauterize a cut when you're in space because according to the TV space is pretty cold.
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>>13710823
If only.

Raita Cherno, Gipsy, and Coyote Tango would be lovely. Bonus if he did Tacit Ronin.

And I don't just mean Raita Jaegirls, I mean actual Raita Jaegers. His mechanical designs are even sexier than his VC girls (who are sexier than his Zettai girls).
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>>13710830
It did. With some pretty big names, actually. But then,
>watching dubs
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Would people play a game that let you custom build Jaegers?
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>>13710844
>not watching dubs with native subs and getting upset at localizations

Welcome to my personal, self-fashioned, hell.

>>13710850
yes
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>>13710804
We're getting a light novel, just like what happened with Gargantia's sequel.
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I really wanted to see more Jaegers. The idea that Coyote Tango, rather than Gypsy, was going to be the main robot makes a lot more sense when you consider how it saved Mako and was the general's Jaeger.
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>>13710853
So did they cancel their plans for a Halo: Legends style of short stories over other Jaegers?

I recall for awhile they were wanting to work with some CG animation studios to be able to tell the stories of some of those fallen Jaegers as self-contained shorts.
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>>13710835
>>13710801
>>13710794
>>13710788

I don't think Gipsy's sword or Eureka's blades can cauterize like Typhoon's blades on the basis that in the final battle, we don't see any signs that heat is being generated from the blades and all three kaiju that were damaged from their blades were still bleeding several minutes later.
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>>13710460
I loved it
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>no whiny teenage pilots
>no Char with hazy and questionable motives
>no newtypes
>no colony drops
>no cutey tsundere or manipulative bitches to waifu
>no disproportionately large eyes, dot noses, or stupid haircuts
>no beam weapons

This movie was shit.
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>>13711176
>Seedfag

>opinions discarded
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>>13710478
they've could've gotten a cuter asian than mako oba-san
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>>13710580
no u stupid faggot, giant inter-dimensional aliens is fucking awesome. but the way they handled people piloting the robots is fucking stupid.
just because its trying to be a homage doesnt mean i have to like it.
this coming from a gunbuster, msg, and lovecraft fan.
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>>13711348
>this coming from a gunbuster, msg, and lovecraft fan.
Found the retard
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>>13711352
ok
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Mechs were awesome.

Fights needed less punching directly in the face and more kicking/stabbing/shooting in other body parts. Freighter as a baseball bat was legendary.

Writing was ABYSSMAL.

Wish there were more scenes in daylight.

7/10 best live-action giant robot movie since Robot Jox (not much competition).
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>>13710460
it wasnt hot-blooded enough.
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>>13711411
The sword plot-hole could have been easily fixed if they made it a fragile weapon, shattering after a single or two uses. The pilots have to keep in mind that it should be used last.
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Any news regarding Max Factory's Pacific Rim Plamo line?
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>>13710460
sequel never
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>>13710460
I liked it, but that neon-colored hair chick needs to go.
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>>13710460
I loved it .
It cemented my decision to become a /m/an.
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>>13711506
>sword plot-hole
People are still saying this?
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I wish the Cherno Alpha figure wasn't being sold for scalper prices, this is the price to pay for being best bot I suppose.
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>>13710460
Pretty fucking great. I'm bummed the sequel's stuck in development hell again.
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Doesn't say much considering it's competition, but it's definitely the best western movie involving giant robots.

>>13710475
>doesn't know that there is actual scientific precedent for two brains working in tandem being better than one

lol
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What if Pacific Rim came out last year. How would the feminist/sjws react to it?
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I thought it was better than Godzilla 2014
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>>13714416
>wah, soggy knees! boo hoo.

Honestly, who cares what they think?
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>>13714416

Is there even anything in the movie for them to react to? What, are they going to be serious about that whole Kaiju rights thing?
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>>13710460

It was...okay. Bad acting, great city/monster smashing.
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>>13714451
>better than Godzilla 2014

That's a pretty low bar.
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>>13710460
One of the most honest and enjoyable movies I've seen in recent years. You could feel that Del Taco had a real love for /m/ and that it wasn't made by a committee in some boardroom somewhere in LA to appeal to as many people as possible. He made a movie for us, not for everybody.
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>>13714948
You're seeing things. It's an average popcorn flick through and through that anybody could make.
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>>13715021
>It's an average popcorn flick through and through that anybody could make.

Post link to the /m/ flick that you made so that we may criticize it.
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>>13715021
>that anybody could make.

And yet no one has.

Why do you think that is?
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>>13715021
I love how this guy is so angry that Pacific Rim is great.
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>>13715021
>It's an average popcorn flick through and through that anybody could make.
Transformers...and that's about it really.
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>>13715113
That nobody cares about mecha, just as it should be. The fact that a fanboy made a mediocre film about giant robots won't ever change that.
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>>13715154
>nobody should care about mecha

Are you implying that the genre should always be shitty and never be worthwhile?
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>>13710830
It did. Mako is voiced by Rei and Herc is voiced by Char. Namikawa and Sugita are in there too.
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>>13710830
>ROKETTO ELBOW
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>>13715244
>Mako is voiced by Rei

Good, good.
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>>13710816
>the worldbuilding is lacking.

I actually thought that that was one of the areas that movie did pretty good.
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>>13710475

Why is that so far fetched? We already live in a world that has machines that require multiple operators. And for an articulate machine like the Jaegers it would makes sense that the mind-meld thing would be needed so that the robot won't fall over like it was the runner in that QWOP flash game. Furthermore having the pilots control only half the robot allows their non-operating sides to access other functions from within the cockpit which we see several times throughout the movie. Stuff that a single pilot wouldn't be able to do by himself.
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>>13715435
Beside, even if it WAS farfetched, it's a movie about GIANT ROBOTS punching GIANT INTER-DIMENSIONAL CLONE MONSTERS, why would anyone draw the line at mindmeld tech as "ok, this is TOO UNREALISTIC".
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>>13715447
i came in to the movie wanting transformers punching godzillas and anything else was just fluff, and even the fluff ended up being pretty good
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>>13715467

Honestly, if you came into the movie expecting anything else, then you are the fool in the end.
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>>13715435
>Furthermore having the pilots control only half the robot allows their non-operating sides to access other functions from within the cockpit which we see several times throughout the movie.
I don't think they physically controlled only their half of the robot using the left/right side of their body, since we see both pilots acting out the robot's movements with their entire body. Also, we saw that one pilot could control the whole robot while the other one pressed buttons and stuff on several occasions, like when they picked up the fishing boat in the prologue or when they froze Otachi's tail with the coolant. Rather, it's the neural feedback from the robot that gets split in half for them to share, so it's not overwhelming. That's how I interpreted it, anyway. I had other problems with the piloting system, though.

>they're able to interface with the robots directly through their brains when they don't have any visible implants, wires, etc. coming out of their heads
Did they put a wi-fi chip in their brains or something?

>they can control the robot with their thoughts but still need to physically mimic its actions
I realize that watching someone sit immobilized in a pilot seat in some sort of coma wouldn't be as exciting, but it's redundant. The early version of the script actually had them sit in a seat made of some sort of impact-absorbing gel, which seems more realistic to me.

Despite all this, I really enjoyed this movie and can't wait for a sequel. I loved how fucking big the robots were, compared to something like a gundam. I loved all the little touches they added to make you really feel the scale and weight of the robots. As someone relatively new to mecha, what other /m/ series are like that?
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>>13715471
seriously, even the trailer was just cool speech plus robot punching monster with boat

that's all you need
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Pacific Rim was basically perfect, but not for everyone.
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>>13715475
Also:

>the entire head of the robot is a wide-open, cavernous empty space
It's way more than enough room for two people to move freely in. Del Taco even said in a behind-the-scenes video that he wanted the pilots to feel exposed and vulnerable, but it still kinda irks me. The cockpit doesn't need to be that fucking big.
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>>13715475
We know that it's possible for a single pilot to control both sides of the robot. However, the movie repeatedly states that they can't do it for for any extended periods of time.
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>>13715485
Look at the scale of the robot and humans >>13710460
Even with the open space cockpit, it's only going to be a very small portion of the head.
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>>13715490
But the windshield(visor?) stretches across the entire width of the head, and they can see out of the entire thing, as seen from the internal shots in the movie. I think the scaling is a bit off in that picture.
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>>13715475
>Did they put a wi-fi chip in their brains or something?

It was the helmets. It could pick up brainwaves or something. That's what the yellow fluid was in the opening sequence.

Also, the physical movement of the pilots is the way they control the robot.
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>>13715490
It's promotional artwork. I wouldn't buy too much into it.
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>>13715515
I figured that much. Sure, the helmets can pick up signals going out, but what about signals going into their brains? They must get some kind of feedback from the robot for this "neural load" thing to be a problem. And what about syncing with each other? How do the other pilot's thoughts enter your head?

Also, I think I remember reading somewhere that the fluid was actually for the holographic displays in their visors.
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>>13715529
To elaborate on the fluid thing, it didn't actually fill the entire helmet. The visor has two panes, and the fluid goes in the middle. The pilots' hair/faces would also be wet after the fluid drained if that weren't the case.
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>>13715529
According to the wiki, the yellow fluid is called Relay Gel and the helmets are two-way.
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>>13715545
>the helmets are two-way
How the fuck does that work? If they have the technology to wirelessly send signals to someone's brain, why isn't wi-fi mind control a thing in the Pacific Rim universe?
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>>13715556
Assume electrodes and jazz in the helmets?

The scientist jury rigged something involving when he drifted with the baby kaiju right, it's been a couple years.
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>>13715563
I dunno how you'd send electric signals through the scalp+skull and into the brain with any kind of precision, but I guess that works.
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>>13715556

Because you still need a medium for those brain waves or whatever to travel through hence the fluid.
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>>13715556
I'm pretty sure that there are sensors and shit inside the helmets.
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>>13715556
How the fuck does that work?
The same way Frodo goes invisible. It's fantasy.
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>>13715596
>sensors
You're missing the point. Again, picking up the pilot's brainwaves isn't special at all; we already have that technology. I'm wondering how they're able to transmit information back into their brains.

I think >>13715563 is the best answer. They just send electricity right through the head from the outside.
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>>13715556
>>13715571
>>13715529
>>13715475

If that's your major hangup about this movie, I'd say that you are doing pretty good.
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>>13715610
No. It's through the relay gel in the helmets.
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>>13715614
I've seen the movie many times, and it's fun to ponder how certain aspects of the robots would work/could be done in real life. I understand the difference between fantasy and reality; it's just neat to think about.

For example, we don't have actuators with anywhere near enough torque to even hold a Jaeger's arm parallel with the ground, let alone make it throw punches. It doesn't detract from my enjoyment of the movie, though. I figured /m/ of all places would understand what it's like to be a sperg with an interest in engineering.
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>>13715617
The relay gel doesn't actually go inside the helmet to touch their skin directly, though. Even if it did, it gets drained out after they put them on.
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>>13715626
What makes you think that? It's a gel. It's viscosity is rather high. It wouldn't just "drain" like it was water or something.
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>>13715637
It shows it getting sucked out of the helmet, dude.
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>>13715639
It's actually being sucked into the suit for the sensors/electrodes of the circuitry suit.

How would that imply low viscosity?
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>>13715647
If it was meant to go in the suit, why did they put it in the helmet first? Why not pump it right into the suit?

I didn't mean to imply that it wasn't thick or viscous. I was just saying that they show it leaving the helmet. Are you saying some would be left over, like stuck to their hair or something? I could maybe see that.
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>>13715626
I don't think all of the fluid in the helmet gets drained out.
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>>13715670
>Are you saying some would be left over, like stuck to their hair or something?

I think that that's what it is.

When you think about it, while some other suits have other interfaces with their robots, they all have a hardline from their helmets.
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From the wiki:

>A known anomaly after Drifting is called "Ghost-Drifting"; confirmed by the likes of Dr. Caitlin Lightcap herself. "Ghost Drifting" is said to be "unanticipated consequence" of the Neural Handshake. Pilots are said to find that their link remains somewhat active, though muted, after they’ve disconnected from the hardware.
This is where they went full retard.
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>>13715709
How? Phantom limb is a real thing. Why wouldn't the feeling a being still psychologically connected be a thing in this universe?
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>>13715726
I don't think that's a fair analogy, as it only concerns one person. They might feel like they were still connected, but it would be impossible for them to actually communicate via their thoughts without some kind of electronic aid. That would be telepathy.
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>>13715742
I don't think that they're implying telepathy. Just the feeling of still being connected. It was suggested that this was the case with Raleigh in the movie.
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>>13715756
I get you, but it does say:
>link remains active after they've disconnected from the hardware

>It was suggested that this was the case with Raleigh in the movie.
Where do they say that? I'm not saying you're wrong; I just don't remember specifically.
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>>13715764
The way I read it is that it's an anecdotal remark by said pilots.

And, yeah, it was the scene where Pentecost finds Raleigh working on the wall to convince him to come back. And then again when Raleigh drifts with Mako for the first time.
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>someone claims something has plot holes
>it's really just them not understanding what they've watched

Every single time
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>>13715790
What is it we didn't understand? This movie is full of plot holes.

It's still good, though.
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>>13715790
To be fair, a lot shit is only mildly suggested. They don't delve very deep to explain shit thoroughly because it's a movie about robots fighting giant monsters.
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loved ir and am hoping thy greenlight 2 or at least the animated series sometime while we are young.
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>>13715825
That doesn't make it a plot hole though.

I find it somewhat odd that for some reason, there's a tendency for anons to equate anything that doesn't have detailed guidebooks or side works to explain every single detail as plot holes.
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>>13715500
It's meant to be a honeycomb of cameras. I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure they all use screens and cameras rather than giant sheets of glass.
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Just popping in to say it's coincidentally on FX at the moment for anyone home on break right now.
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>>13715435
i never said it was farfetched, i said it was retarded. it works in getter robo and gunbuster because the machine can separate into different parts. it was a meaningless nitpick that they added that wouldnt have changed anything otherwise if it wasnt that way. if its one solid robot that doesnt separate into other parts all it needs is one fucking pilot. they could easily explain balancing the robot through advanced futuristic AI or something. there are plenty of other shows that make only having 1 pilot work.
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>>13717290
>they could easily explain balancing the robot through advanced futuristic AI or something.

The way I see it is that even in real life, having some automated systems isn't ideal. Like the anti-lock brake system in cars: They out-perform the human driver in dry conditions but is basically useless on loose surfaces like snow and gravel.

>there are plenty of other shows that make only having 1 pilot work.

But they don't. You're just accrediting them without any real merit. Those shows don't really explain anything, ether. Worse than PR did in most cases. A couple of joysticks and pedals aren't nearly enough to control all the intricate movements that these robots perform on the show. Even in 1:1 movement systems like G Gundam fail to explain how the robot can jump and walk while the pilot remains stationary in the cockpit and aren't knocked from one side of the cockpit to the other when they take a hit.

In the PR movie we actually see several times the benefit of having two pilots. One scene in particular had one pilot temporarily take complete motor control of the robot while the other pilot activated switches which allowed the robot to vent coolant.
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>>13710480
>Not enough mech action.
THIS.

The movie is solid, the mechs are great, the comic relief is dumb (scientists) and the cast could be better. However, the biggest problem is really the action... Cherno is brutal? Show him defending the Siberian wall for 30 seconds in a flashback... Coyote has fucking cannons? Show them exploding te fucking crab in that dream... Shit like that.

>>13711517
CANCELED.

Time to purchase the Neca version and do some SERIOUS custom:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWUvy1IFx7g
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>>13710460
I watched this because /m/ liked it and those suits were clumsy and gigantic. Plot was campy and average at times. Worldbuilding needed work. Characters were almost all in black and white. It took effort for me to finish watching it.

Commander dude and his daughter and the nerd duo were the saving grace and characterisation of the movie. Was not a fan of American ham.
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>>13717434
your missing the point. i said i dont like having more than 1 pilot if the robot doesnt break into several parts and recombine. and for a movie that doesn't take itself seriously, advanced AI is more than enough of an explanation.
and please dont use gundam: super robot edition as an example for anything regarding realism.
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>>13718679
>gundam anything
>realism
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I like the concept and the setting a lot, but short of a few scenes, the movie was fucking dull as hell.
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>>13718679
>i dont like having more than 1 pilot
That's your problem and you'll have to learn to deal with it yourself.
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>not the version from the opening

It's shit
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>>13718793
i was just stating my opinion like everyone else is.
dont flatter yourself.
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It's not amazing or anything, but I don't regret watching it.
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>>13710710
>china
>giving a fuck about the environment
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>>13710460
Good but flawed. Had too many characters and too many subplots going at once. Not enough mecha action, and the scientist were just dumb.
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>>13719860
According to the wiki, the spinal clamps have no neural interface. They are just another motion sensor type thing for controlling the Jaeger's motor function.
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>>13718679
>for a movie that doesn't take itself seriously, advanced AI is more than enough of an explanation.

I'm sorry that it didn't work out that way for you.

I actually like the fact that movie has a unique pilot operating system. That's /m/ as fuck. Better than some cookie-cutter nonsense explained away by advanced AI we've already seen dozens times before.
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>>13710460
mediocre fight scenes were lame the story felt dull same with the characters
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>>13710568
If you watch the movie with the commentaries on (and check all other production informations), you can clearly see how much love and passion went into the movie. Few hollywood blockbusters have that much effort put into it.

Sure it's not that amazing but damn it, they loved making it and loved the source material (mecha anime and kaiju movies). There's an actual 'soul' to the movie since it is not a movie made to be entirely a cookie cutter hollywood hype machine blockbuster. It wasn't even based on a pre-existing franchise, something nearly unthinkable in the year it was made and beyond. I mean fuck, it's an homage to two genre that the average murrican has never seen outside of either Michael Bay's Transformers and maybe a single Godzilla movie or King Kong.
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>>13719996
id rather cookie cutter nonsense than the method they used. unique does not automatically equate to good.
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This is my opinion

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YacE1h34E4Y
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What I wanna know is why is there all this fucking dust on /m/. Every time I come into a thread we're only allowed to talk because the dust has settled. WHERE THE FUCK IS ALL THE DUST COMING FORM!!!
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If Pacific Rim gets into SRW, will they get new Japanese VAs or will they make the old actors speak Japanese?
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>>13721101
They'll have the original actors speak English with Japanese text boxes
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>>13721101
It will never get into SRW in the first place you delusional moron
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>>13721023
>unique does not automatically equate to good.

Well, it's certainly better than most.
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>>13721023
>cookie cutter nonsense
>good
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>>13721166
No, it is not.
>>13721181
I agree, special snowflake nonsense is my preferred serving of shit too.
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>>13721023
Face it: Just about all piloting systems we see in mecha is garbage and nonsense. However, the dual pilots in PR feels more flushed out than any other when it comes to piloting a humanoid robot. In fact, it actually makes more sense than most shows that focus on controlling the robot with a joystick. The only ones that make more sense are the ones that also have a neural link with the machine (like PR).
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>>13721101

They'd just have the Japanese dub of the movie actors do it.
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>>13721207
>No, it is not.

I noticed that you are still avoiding naming some examples that are actually as detailed as Pacific Rim.
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>>13721212
Not in the slightest.
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>>13721226
Thanks for your valued input.
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>>13721222
I don't need to since you'll be wrong no matter what I say, and you'll just say it doesn't count even if I did bother.
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>>13721240
>I don't need to since I'll be wrong no matter what I say

ftfy
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>>13721240
That's because most mecha piloting systems are bullshit. You are just hungup on PR without any objective reason. The piloting system in PR actually makes more sense than the paper-thin systems that we normally see.
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>>13721249
Your delusional ass is a damned sight to behold, I will say that much. Never know PR fans could be so obnoxious about their below average series.
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>>13721240
No, it's because you can't.
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>>13721255
It's just as bullshit as anything else in your average /m/ series. This is a fact, and nothing you or I say will change that.
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>>13721257
>resorting to petty insults
>said the guy who's not even confident enough to name a series.

Don't be mad because PR makes more sense than whatever shitty series you like that you refuse to name.
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>>13721263
The thing is that you are giving one piece of work flak while giving the rest of the genre a pass for reasons that you refuse to name because even you are not aware of your bias.
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>>13721259
I can, but that would mean I'd be helping morons who apparently haven't seen more than about ten /m/ series.
>>13721265
You keep on thinking what you want and being wrong all you want anon.
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>>13721275
>still avoiding the matter.
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>>13721275
>I can

No, you can't. And you know you can't. You are just purposely hiding behind your caginess because you know you can't.
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>>13721275
To be fair, this debate is clearly one-sided. If you are really that unwilling to discuss /m/ topics, then just leave this board.
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>>13721275
>>13721240
>"Guys I know plenty of shows that are better!"
>refuses to name them

This is like the guy you went to HS with and says he's got hot girlfriend, but she lives in Canada so we never get to see her.
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>not enough mech action comments
What fucking movie did you guys watch? Like about the last fourth of the movie is mechs kicking ass.

I just want cool robots beating up shit, and that's what I got. It's not an amazing movie or anything, but it's fun as fuck.
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No Matador Fury. shit/10.

For real though, I love it for what it was, even though I wish they would have kept a few other things from the original script, like Tacit Ronin being one of the main Jaegers, and one of the scientists being complete batshit insane.
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>>13721354
Don't understand where this comes from either.

Compared to 30min TV shows that have like 1 mech fight per episode, PR is par for course with its 2hr run time and 4 fights (5 if you count the HK fight as 2).
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>>13721386

It was shelved

>Over the last few months kaiju fans have been thrown a wealth of renewed interest in the subgenre. Godzilla vs. Kong was announced, as Godzilla Resurgence went into production. Kadokawa-Daiei showed interest in devloping a new Gamera project with CG clad footage. Skull Island is entering the last few weeks of shooting. Ultraman's 50th birthday is underway with the upcoming Ultraman X movie and the mysterious 50th anniversary project.

>Unfortunately, not all of these giant monster films may see the light of day. One in particular is heartbreaking. According to sources speaking with The Hollywood Reporter, Pacific Rim 2 has been taken off the table at Universal and shelved indefinately.

>http://www.scified.com/pacificrim2/universal-likely-pulling-the-plug-on-pacific-rim-2#ixzz3wbyaa9wV
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This movie isn't perfect and has some flaws, but it's FUN. It's action packed and silly, moves you at the right moments, and just feels good. In a time where things are trying to be darker and more serious, this is a standout movie. Also, best 3d movie I've seen. If you didn't see it in theaters in 3d, you missed out.
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>>13722494
Had robits hit stuffz
Tern/10
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>loves his brother (muh wife and kids)
>intelligent fighter, skilled from experience
>tooks risks to save fishermen (muh women and children)
>unpretentious and supports his new partner
>loves his mech

Raleigh is a goddamn hero.
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>>13721354
Yeah, I wanted Cherno to not job in it's first and last appearance. Same for Crimson. Make them take damage, but have them survive and not be fully repaired in time for another fight so soon after, then job as the plot requires.

And the flashback to Coyote should have actually shown the beatdown. Instead, we're just treated to noise of the battle.
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>>13722468

Are they still making the animated version?
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>>13722524
>And the flashback to Coyote should have actually shown the beatdown. Instead, we're just treated to noise of the battle.

I thought this, too, but then it wouldn't make sense since the fight only existed as a memory of Mako's who spent the entirety of the fight cowering in a corner. She wouldn't know the details of the fight simply because she didn't actually see it.
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Well this is terrible news.
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>>13721212
>controlling the robot with a joystick
M A C R O S
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>>13722780
That'd be great if operating in a real life scenario didn't require dynamic forms of execution for a single action depending on the exact circumstances of any given situation. Macros don't account for the highly sophisticated AI that would be required to adequately operate.
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>>13722789
>his mech doesn't have a hax AI that does complex calculations and simulations on the fly while simultaneously reprogramming the macros to be the most optimal for the mechs next 86 most likely upcoming actions, as well as updating the pilot's brain so they'll know which of the buttons to press in any given instant

wew
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>>13722794
Neither does Macross. Nowhere in the series does it ever explicitly state or even imply that.
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>>13722823
Where the fuck did anyone bring up Macross?
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>>13722794
You wish.

And ideally that would be the case, but at that point, why even bother with human pilots?
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>>13722840
I think they misread "Macros" as "Macross"
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>>13722936
>You wish.
I really do.

>why even bother with human pilots?
Shoehorned romance shenanigans?
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>>13710460
>Now that the dust has settled, what does /m/ think of Pacific Rim?

IMO it set western mecha back 10-20 years. Early in the project when they were building the world, pacific rim was billed as a far more intelligent movie than the big retarded summer blockbuster we eventually got.

This was a failed opportunity to lift western mecha out of the "stupid kids stuff" rut it's been traveling for so long. But instead of lifting it up closer to respectable sci-fi like Alien he pushed it further down towards rock em sock em robots level.
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>>13723594
>pacific rim was billed as a far more intelligent movie

I really have no idea how you got that impression. I remember watching the first teaser trailer. It didn't leave me with an impression other than "Giant fighting robots" -- nowhere close to thinking it was going to be the Citizen Kane of mecha films.
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>>13723689
before the teaser trailers the official website used to release a lot of information about the world and lore. Originally toxic bloom was pushed more heavily as a believable sci-fi reason to punch the monsters to death with giant robots.

In the finished PR toxic bloom (and the justification for the robots) has pretty much been swept under the rug, the characters certainly don't care and it gets mentioned what? once in the whole film?
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>tfw del Toro Cinematic Universe never
>tfw you'll never see Blade and Hellboy pilot a gun-toting, leather-coat wearing Jaeger together, fighting against Kaiju-demon-vampires
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>>13721212
so unicorn gundam and pretty much any gundam made for newtypes? oh look at that, only 1 pilot.
we can put mazinger Z on there too if we're following the reboot.
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>>13724694
Yeah, that's bullshit.

There aren't enough controls in any of those cockpits to have nearly the enough control over all the articulation of MS let alone perform all the maneuvers that we see in those shows.

You can try to make macro algorithm argument like>>13722780 and >>13722794 but will still be limited to what the buttons actually do and less likely to get consistent results the more complex the computing system is. Not to mention that if you have such an advanced computer, the human pilot element becomes redundant.
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>>13725003
Yknow anon, I have the strangest feeling you don't entirely know what you're talking about.

You marginalize the world of difference that is machine learning that combines limited control input with context to yield the many actions a mech could conceivably perform, and a fully autonomous system capable of making the human element unnecessary. The former is within our grasp at the moment, the latter is still a bit of a pipe dream.
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pacific rim 2 NEVER.
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>>13725045
In the context of giving Gundam as a good example of a single-pilot system, it's trash.

limited button input is a good idea if the MS and would work if the mech was performing limited set of VERY simple tasks. To make a mech pick up a gun and shoot it is one thing, but shooting while performing crazy ninja spin moves? You're deluding yourself if all that can be controlled with a pair of joysticks.
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>>13725101
I don't see why not as long as the sensors and mapping software is fast enough. All movement is, is reverse kinematics.
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>>13725101
most of that ninja shit you see is from thruster abuse. not from any actual ability of the mech.
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>>13725166
plus u need to take into account that theyre in space. a frictionless environment.
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>>13725101
There's nothing about an MS' movement that can't be controlled like a tank or fighter. You're simply throwing out any kind of software abstraction. Machine learning nothing, its force vectors and middle-school geometry coupled with high-speed terrain mapping. Its already been confirmed an MS' cockpit view is a virtual composite of boatloads of sensor data, you're literally just seeing the virtual models the MS locomotion system is using to map limb movements. The fact pilots can see effectively at all proves MS computer systems can handle the load required to mathematically place limbs for any task, fully fly-by-wire.
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>>13725149
>>13725166

*inverse kinematics

webm related: https://danbooru.donmai.us/data/a76ff396f46443050d0a57fbc4071c29.webm

It's not just the movement of the robot in space. That part should be relatively easy. It's doing it while shooting guns, slashing the beam saber, and grabbing the target. There's just not enough controls in the cockpit to do all that accurately as we see in the shows.

And if the computing system is really that advanced that it can interpret the limited command signals of pilot and theoretically come up with the most optimal solution for the situation, then it's not such a leap of faith that the technology should be there for a fully autonomous mech.
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>>13725228
It's not movement. It's the articulation that's the problem.
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>>13725312
Minovsky particles are literally the only thing stopping drone MS. And there's nothing 'advanced' about it. Nor does there need to be. Its all fairly simple physics simulations and limb positioning. You could easily have enough buttons and gibbons to do everything Amuro does on a Saitek X52 Pro set.

In fact the primary EFSF weapons in space prior to minovsky physics were cruisers with laser cannons and remote fighter drones. Not only are they as close to drones as you say, its all they used to use. I really don't see what's so infeasible about all this.
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>>13725319
How is it a problem? End effectors are placed using direct coordinates. If you have to manage the joints between the base and the end effector, you're a shitty programmer.
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Did Pacific Rim really need a sequel?

It kind of wraps up in the most oddly satisfying way possible. One suit, portal is shut, story arcs of the characters resolved. What'd be the point of a sequel anyways? More generic plot and cliches?

>THEY OPENED THE PORTAL AGAIN AND WE GOTTA FIGHT
>WE'RE NOT GONNA JUST FIGHT..
>...WE'RE GONNA FIGHT BACK!
>[show scene of a ARMY of robots stepping through the portal]
>PACIFIC RIM 2: IRON GRIP REVENGE
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>>13725364

Apparantly it's more than just end effectors. We've seen multiple times pilots controlling joints in between the torso and the tips of the fingers so that can't be it.
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>>13725358
>You could easily have enough buttons and gibbons to do everything Amuro does on a Saitek X52 Pro set.

That's not a very good example since it's a video game controller meant to work in a virtual environment with fairly simple physics compared to what would have to be dealt with in reality.

If the computing system was really that powerful that it could be controlled with a video game controller, they are over-complicating it if the buttons are more complex than a Dualshock.
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>>13725358
Mobile Dolls, bro.

Drones are totally possible in the Gundam universe.
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>>13725376

That's the main issue I would have with a sequel. You could surely argue that if the aliens opened a portal once, they should have the means to do it again. But what kind idiots would mess with the a species that it KNOWS has destructive power on the level of a nuclear explosion? Why risk getting nuked AGAIN???
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>>13725495
>>13725523
The X52 Pro is for hardcore flight simulators, not video games. It comes with about ten times the inputs of a dualshock. Not to mention you're gonna be using a dual stick configuration instead of TAS, that'll be mounted on slides for an additional axis per stick. Together with independant pedals, you've got 11+ axis of control without touching switches. HOTAS design practice places one or more controls on each stick for every finger as well. This is all before you add a HMD or HMTCS for the helmet, or even put a single button on the control panels. PLENTY to pull any maneuver Amuro ever did, and tons of real estate in the cockpit for secondary/auxilliary controls.

Its like you don't know how to design a pilot control system. The computer handles placing the limbs in 99% of situations with the pilot simply sending move orders with one stick and moving a pipper around to aim with the other. Specific actions can be initiated by hitting any number of toggles or buttons and specific actuator control would be available. But for all intents and purposes, as MS' and MS systems are presented in the show, twin-sticks are completely fine and enough to pilot an MS in combat scenarios. What makes no sense to me are federal controls from the UC0090's with those weird trackballs. You can't put controls on those.
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>>13725580

Again, if the computer is doing 99% of the work, what is the point of having a human pilot?
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>>13725628
I already told you, minovsky interference.

Also every other argument against drones that's ever been made still applies. They're not superweapons, they just have badass avionics.
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>>13725628
JUST BECAUSE THE SOFTWARE IS ADVANCED ENOUGH TO HANDLE LIMB CONTROL DOESN'T MEAN IT'S CAPABLE OF TAKING INDEPENDENT ACTION.
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>>13725376
that sounds fucking badass you fag
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>>13725673
But then how does the robot know when to grab rather then punch? How would it know that I'm trying to hack off the enemy mech's legs and not it's slice through the cockpit? These are the decisions that the computer would have to make if you theorize that the software will be commanding 99% of the robot.
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>>13725654
In the case of UC timelines, Minovsky particles is a weak argument. It's more of a plot tool that's used to explain away things when it's convenient for the story like newtype abilities and naonomachines in MGS. Very inconsistent.

That said, Minovsky particles in the UC timeline don't seem to internally affect MS. Not sure why a drone MS couldn't function if it were similarly insulated. If you believe in the Turn-A unified theory, autonomous mobile suits existed in the multiple other timelines. But probably the most damning evidence of all is Gundam Sentinel which takes place in UC in which the one MS that we know for sure has an AI that CAN and DOES take action independent of a pilot.
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>>13710460
The mecha didn't look Super Robot enough. Yeah, I know if we get a Holywood Tranzor Z or Starvengers movie then Mazinger or Getter are gonna be all detailed and paneled and shit, but the Jaegers looked like super robots built out of generic materials. Some might think it looks pretty but they were realistic in the wrong way for me. Other than that solid designs-- the American superhero mech looks simple without being boring.
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>>13725900
Unicorn had LA+; the anime didnt really touch on it but it was the semi-sentient computer system that guided the pilot along the path to Laplace's Box and took control of the suit all those times to save Banagher's ass.
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>>13726401
So is it like ALICE then?
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>>13726422
somewhat, ALICE was smarter an much more advanced. she was designed to emulate a mother's instincts to protect her child, so was quick to step in and take over when the pilot couldnt handle the situation. LA+ worked in the background to guide the Unicorn's pilot to the Laplace's Box while testing their worthiness as inheritor of the Box. the few times it stepped in and moved the Unicorn was to protect the pilot so that they could survive and move on to the next step.

IIRC the ending scene of EP7 where Marida's ghost talks to Banagher was actually LA+ discussing newtypes and the future.
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>>13710675
>cocktails for ants
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Yeah, let's cut open Otachi in the middle of the city, on the streets and above the underground shelters filled with people.

If Pentecost still had a body, he'd serve as Gipsy 2.0's turbine.
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>>13725827
Uncage manipulator. Drop weapon. Toggle right hand intent to 'STRIKE'. Aim at target point, hit the slash hat switch in the direction you wish to attack if its not set to SHORT/AUTO. Easy. The second thing is all you, the computer doesn't aim. It just points the weapon where you do. Its up to you to hit the legs when you hit the slash button.
>>13725900
Drones are 100% dependent on remote control. You can't issue return orders or new ship coordinates through minovsky interference.
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>>13728913
>Uncage manipulator. Drop weapon. Toggle right hand intent to 'STRIKE'. Aim at target point, hit the slash hat switch in the direction you wish to attack if its not set to SHORT/AUTO.

> Easy

That's actually not very practical at all.
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>>13728966
Its pretty damn close to how real weapons systems are interacted with. You're just spoiled in the fact you just scroll up to change weapons in vidya. That punch, in reality, is three button presses at most that your fingers are already sitting on plus aiming. Not to mention punching isn't a high priority in UC. Most of the time. You're usually supposed to be using the nifty guns and rockets, that's not a lot to get a secondary attack out when getting ready to fire sidewinders off an F-16 can take up to 45 seconds.

You just need to git more robust.
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>>13728966
With a well designed control interface a pilot could easily perform those actions without even looking down at their sticks.

Anon's example isn't too far removed from the steps performed to shift a combat jet into combat ready.
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>>13728913
>You can't issue return orders or new ship coordinates through minovsky interference.

Yeah, I'm calling bullshit on this.

In your scenario, pilots would never be able to communicate to anyone else at all regardless. However, that's not the case as we've seen many times that pilots can make contact with their ships and other MS pretty easily in most cases.

Also, you assume that autonomous MS need remote pilot control. That's also unnecessary. We've seen Mobile Dolls work and even full-on AI taking control of the MS.
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>>13728997
You were already moving goalposts a day ago. Now they're flying. Are we talking about UC MS being controlled by joysticks or not?

Besides, comms under interefence in UC are limited to short range LOS with lasers. That's not feasible for an always-on datalink feeding target data, which you need for then to act as a coherent force at all times. You can't have a bunch of drones fighting individually under unreliable comms that get jammed by running the engine hotter.
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>>13728981
>F-16 can take up to 45 seconds.

And yet we see MS execute a series of much more complicated maneuvers in a fraction of a second.

The point being that the this fictional combat system would have to be heavily assisted and the pilot wouldn't have much actual control at all. However, the shows has us believe that that isn't the case and pilots can control minute movement of each joint. Those 45-second sequences would have to be input by the pilot all at the same in a spit second which would be physically impossible for a human.
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>>13729032
It takes 45 seconds because you have to set a bunch of shit up first and fuck with the MFDs anf radar settings, go watch the relevant Falcon 4.0 tutorial.
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>>13729031
I'm not moving any goal posts. I said that fully autonomous MS/drones have been used in Gundam. In UC and other timelines.

Furthermore, I don't really see why autonomous MS wouldn't work if human pilots can still communicate with each other. They wouldn't be subject to any more interference than a human would.
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>>13729039
Gotta spool the missiles and set the radar to track n search and jettison the external tanks and so on and so forth.
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>>13729049
Of course they would, how are they not? How many words per second do you speak? Now, what's the bandwidth on your router?
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>>13729069
Not sure what the point is that you are trying to make.

Are you saying that autonomous mechs don't have the bandwith to communicate? Or that humans are superior because they don't have a bandwidth limit and theoretically have unlimited bandwith?

Your not being very clear on this one.
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>>13729039
>>13729060

Now imagine that you have to do all those sequences every time you want to move your MS. Now imagine having to do three or four other similar sequences at the same time -- all in half a second.

This is why the piloting system in Gundam is bullshit.
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>>13729112
But you don't. Its not an F-16. I was CONTRASTING, you autistic fuck. It only takes 45 seconds because you have a laundry list of shit to go through, half of it heads-down fucking with MFDs, when the punch example relayed to you was three keystrokes on entirely HOTAS controls taking less than a second.
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>>13729173
Now you're just back-pedaling. You just described a theoretical 5-step process on how an MS pilot would use a weapon on a target. And that's making the assumption that the pilot can control the entire robot with a few macro inputs (which there is evidence to the contrary).
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>>13710460

It doesn't matter anymore. It's ovur.
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So PR2 and Silent Hills both get axed and now were stuck with more adam sandler shit and Fantastic Voyage remake

way to start the new year movie industry
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with the announcement of PR2 being shelved and most likely cancelled, is the anime getting cancelled too?

Shit, I'm pissed. I don't care if pacific rim was badly written or have whatever flaws people like to bring up but I enjoyed the movie and would love to see more giant mechs beating the shit outta alien monsters, none of the faggy overpowered shit like beams or magical super robot shit, just pure heavy metal fisting.
RIP pacific rim, It was fun while it lasted.
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>>13711506
The whole reason that they didn't use the sword earlier was because it would spread Kaiju Blue everywhere, and they were fighting near humans. They could use the sword out in the sea where nobody would get infected.
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The one scene I didnt like was the 2 guys getting out of the Jaeger that was dead because of the EMP blast, and then they shoot a fucking flare gun at the Kaiju.

There is having balls, and then there is being retarded, and they crossed that line in that scene
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>>13731381
They were sacrificing themselves for the greater good and buying time. How could you not understand that?????
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>>13731381
>There is having balls, and then there is being retarded

To the film's credit, the character did say that they were going to be doing something "real stupid."

They were trying to distract the kaiju to buy some more time. Kinda falls apart when the kaiju wasn't going anywhere anyway as it seemed to have a genuine curiosity towards the Jaeger.
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It's kinda retarded for me that each pilots control one side, like 3-legged racing, that's always worse than one person running. Not to mention making recruitment harder, to find a dual with high sync.
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>>13710521
And the Chinese make it even harder for themselves for some reason requiring 3 persons sync to pilot.
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>>13731612
That's why the pilots "drift" with each other: They basically are synchronizing their brains so they can control the robot as one.

>Not to mention making recruitment harder, to find a dual with high sync.
They alluded to it in the movie, however they throw all that out the window for the final battle when the Australian son drifts with black bossman. They just casually brushed it off as with the guy saying he has no emotional/mental baggage and having pegged the other guy for being a prick.

Maybe the PR universe is just saying that really any two psychologically sound people can drift, but they fight better if they are drift compatible?
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So why did the Jaeger's head had to be separated from the body when not in use? Besides homaging Pilder On.
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>>13731681
Doesn't really explain why. Maybe for maintenance or storage reasons if I had to guess. It could even be specific to that one Jaeger since we don't see the other heads drop into place.

In Gipsy Danger's case, it's probably so the pilots can get into the Conn-Pod since that particular Jaeger has a high rise "collar" behind the head blocking the rear access door.
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>>13731700
They would need a good reason for needing those collars that's blocking the entry.
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>>13731720
Added protection to keep the head from being knocked off would be the obvious answer.
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>>13731720
>he doesn't pop his collar

Do you really need this explained?
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>>13731720
>They would need a good reason
Besides the obvious protection?
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Fucking shit movie
Anyone who thinks this is good is fucking retarded
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>>13721240
>I don't need to since you'll be wrong no matter what I say,
>>13721275
>I can, but that would mean I'd be helping morons who apparently haven't seen more than about ten /m/ series

Got in over your head, didn't you?
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>>13710478
>have a 32 y/o actress play a 18 y/o character
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>>13732734
>Asian aging
That said, it's not like Hollywood doesn't get 30-40yo+ men to play teenagers all the time, especially on TV.
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>>13729209
But the point of the Gundam, the original one, is that it has the learning computer that Amuro specifically spends loads of time programming macros for, and which is what allows it to remain relevant even in the late OYM when the enemy mobile suits have weapons that could break the Gundam's armour. Amuro can kill Zeon grunt after Zeon grunt because his computer has macros for whatever position and trajectory the enemy is going and Amuro's newtype (p)reflexes let him know which one to use.
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>>13732932
Yeah, and that's most likely what the show is trying to convey. However there are a couple of problems with that theory. The computer program is doing 99% of the work which means the pilot isn't doing much of anything. Actual pilot "skill" isn't a real thing and duels really come down to which MS has the better program and luck. And there wouldn't be a reason that non-newtypes can't pilot MSwith funnels. The suit would practically be an AI in of itself (at least as smart as some NPCs in the videogames we have) and thus it's just pointless to have a human pilot.

Secondly, having a simple input interface control a multitude of actions depending on the situation leads to inconsistent results in the action taken by the MS. It would be like turning on the radio expecting to hear that song you like: You might get it or you might not. The only choice you had was turning on the radio itself, but no control of the songs that are played. Another factor has determined that it is better to play a series of commercials under the current circumstances. People operating machines don't like it when they don't have a good idea what the machine may actually end up doing. This again alludes to the outcome of MS fight being determined by programming and the pilot not being a factor.

What bugs me the most is what throws the whole simple macros/dumb computer theory out of the window: Pilots are shown to have precise control over the minute movements of the robot. Pilots can control every point of articulation (or most of them) to perform shit like kneeing the enemy when beam sabers are locked, bowing to salute superiors, hand gestures, grabbing the enemy with one hand and using a weapon with the other. Furthermore a lot of the crazy moves that we see in the shows would all have fairly complex inputs and very quickly which makes it practically impossible for a human pilot to do.

>tl;dr: the pilot system in Gundam is just as much nonsense as any other.
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>>13731720
lmao turn off your brain dude!! :^)
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>>13732932
>Amuro can kill Zeon grunt after Zeon grunt because his computer has macros for whatever position and trajectory the enemy is going and Amuro's newtype (p)reflexes let him know which one to use.

That's not really a newtype exclusive thing, though. Plenty of non-newtypes have been able to shoot down hordes of other mobiles suits. Kou, Gato, Ramba Ral were all highly proficient pilots who were non-newtypes.
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>>GdT's Twitter
>Pac Rim 2 cancelled? Don't believe everything you read. It's still going and I'll remain w it in one way or another!
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>>13732932
That's not it at all, not what he was doing, and not how robots work.

I will never understand macro obsession when inverse kinematics is EASY and dynamically generates every move you'll ever need, at runtime. Macros are never mentioned, referenced or shown in Gundam and there's no reason they'd ever need them.
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>>13710748
this was my complaint too. is it too much to ask to have more action than talking in an action film
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>>13738161
IK only works when you know in advance what end states you're aiming for.
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>>13710817
i watched and can say honestly i liked it better. plot is better and the cheese is fantastic. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVpQmZmKNmo
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