So I'm curious about the whole
Gundam SEED thing.
I'm older, so I have no chance of having fond toonami memories of it or anything, so for the older /m/en, how is it? Is it as bad as everyone says or should I actually watch it because people are just memeing
The original run was okay. The Remaster they did for DVD/BD release cut and re-edited literally everything imaginable to make the MC an infallible saint, not even responsible for the deaths of his foes.
both shows are dumb and stupid and made for morons. you're thinking of wing with the toonami nostalgia.
watch a real series like anything uc or 00. don't watch garbage. garbage leads to wasting your time
You should watch it to form your own opinions.
Original SEED, then the Special Edition compilation OVAs (extra scenes), then the SEED Remaster (new scenes and new music).
Then Original Destiny, then Remaster Destiny, then Destiny Final Plus.
Most everyone loved the music.
Most everyone hated the overall way things went because it has so much potential to have been more.
Form your own opinion then come back to us.
- Some really cool suit designs
- A few interesting fights
- beam spam, beam spam everywhere
- Unapologetic bad guys
- MC is the most insufferable Mary Sue cunt to come along in years
- hammy as fuck motivations and decisions, even by Nip standards
- beam spam, beam spam everywhere
- seriously though fuck Kira
The Strike with all of its exchangeable packs is boss as fuck. Aile/Sword/Launcher are really cool without needing to completely revamp the main suit until later. I love the purgable armor of the Duel Assault Shroud. Buster is pretty great.
Even in terms of not-mobile-suits, the Skygrasper and Moebius are really neat.
I also really liked the Blitz, although it doesn't get to do much in show, it's a great MG kit. Aegis as well, with the crazy claw form is awesome.
Honestly, all of the main suits are pretty great. I think the only "lame" designs are probably Raider, Providence and Justice. The original Astray is kind of shit too but all the Astray variations and spin-offs make up for it.
He put beam spam in both Pro and Con.
At first it was awesome. And then it never stopped. And then we got Freedom.
But it is mildly realistic compared to how many shots are fired in the army for a single kill.
Aile is one of the ugliest Gundams in the entire show. Sword and Launcher were okay, I guess.
Duel and Buster are decent designs. Buster is in dire need of a better paint job, but that's a fairly common problem in SEED, so I try not to hold that against it.
I'll give you the Skygrasper, it was nice.
SEED was okay
Destiny is trash
Wing has been forever tainted by American Toonami dub-fags
Just watch "first Gundam" anon. Still the best.
It really depends on your preference, but I personally really enjoyed the show. I had no nostalgia for it, and I watched it after I had seen people here talk so negatively about it
It's a blocky, awkwardly proportioned flight pack that clashes heavily with the design of the Gundam it's attached to. Worse, it's painted in that awful magenta color that's all too prevalent in SEED.
Hey guys. At least 00 was the best Gundam show of that decade.
I've definitely already done the UC stuff, so no need to worry about that. Just trying to figure out if Seed is worth my time.
It was the only seed pic I had laying around sooooooo uh
suck it dry
Are you thinking about the Strike Rogue?
The Aile pack is just red with some black. Not that blocky either.
I definitely enjoyed the first season. It wasn't a heartbreaking work of staggering genius, but I watched it all, and I watched the second season, even though I enjoyed it much less.
The Tieren is definitely one of my favorite not a zaku
>everyone always misspells Rogue as Rouge
>you manage to do the opposite and the one time that Rouge applies you put Rogue
Seed is passable, I hate it with a passion. This is because of kira surviving a fight with Athrun, when he should have died, and his survival was never explained in series. You have to find out second hand from the astray manga that this gundam had an escape hatch. Kira himself isn't exactly likable either. He paved the way for a lot of modern self insert characters: Kirito, Onii-sama, etc. The show never produces a satisfying outcome, and the over arching problems of it's world are never resolved. The natural-coordinator split is always presented as a race struggle when it was a class struggle. It's hard not to sympathize with the naturals when the coordinators are always shown superior to them. However, Both sides of the conflict are irredeemable assholes, and you're left with the Pink haired empress saving the day, and you're just supposed to accept that she won, and none of the worlds problems are resolved in either series. Alternatively, a few people on /m/ wish the char won because they wanted to watch the CE burn since it's full of terrible people overall. On the positives for both, some of the mechs are nice the girls are pretty cute Luna was cute.
I don't hate hirai face
>I've definitely already done the UC stuff, so no need to worry about that. Just trying to figure out if Seed is worth my time.
In that case, picture 0079 reimagined as a generic anime that embraces some of the cliches 0079 tried to stay away from. On top of that, it can be rather shallow in terms of characters and story.
I think the CE designs are my favorite in the franchise and many are criminally underused. I wish many of the other designs got better kits, but I am fine with the kits that have been released. I pop a boner over the Strike and Impulse, and would love a 1/100 Dagger
Big budget on music, cultural infusions with many other shows, model kits still selling ,etc.
Are you that dense to not recognize something like that? Even the awful Star Wars prequels still affect the movie industry.
One thing I don't understand about CE is how the fuck is there even a war? Like, coordinators are made to be superior to normal humans in every facet possible. They're literally a race of superhumans. How the fk don't they just wipe the floor with the shitty normal humans.
They explain that in the opening background information. ZAFT has much smaller army and is much more technologically advanced and efficient but the Earth Forces still have a much greater population and army capacity. Swarm tactics still holds true.
Because they were created and it was still only one or two generations in. Most of them had non-coordinator parents/friends/etc and non-genocidical inclinations.
They were like Newtypes in that they were "evolutions" of existing humanity. They weren't golden ubermensches delivered directly into their own likeminded society of supermen.
And obviously later they realized that they were also gonna run out of coordinators.
It has a lot of potential that gets bogged down in anime bullshittery and bad writing. In fact, one of the ways you can tell this is to watch the Toonami promos. Why? Because they highlight some of the compelling themes and elements that the series itself uses mainly as cheap plot coupons instead of in the service of a sound narrative (in other words, they're invoked for convenience rather than actual circumstances with actual ramifications for how the story plays out). In particular are the concept of a race war based on genetic disparity; of a main character who has every reason on paper to fight for one side, but whose loyalties lie on the other for more visceral and practical reasons; and of a world where the realities of the era (space travel and human habitation, advanced warfare) are not just window dressing on a modern narrative, but determinants of the way people view the world and act within it.
I really want a screenwriter who understands what Gundam, at its best, "means" to adapt SEED, specifically, for a live action franchise. It's probably the strongest in concept and just needs a good hand to execute. But the show itself will leave you feeling dirty.
>so skilled he can shoot down his enemies without killing him
>even the one guy he did kill was retconned into being so retarded he ran into a held out, extended sword, cockpit first and killed himself instead
He wasn't. Destiny Kira was. Alot of people seem to transplant there impressions of Destiny to SEED. SEED Kira was just a typical angsty Gundam protagonist for all the good and bad that entails.
I actually found SEED a lot more enjoyable when I pretend Destiny doesn't exist. CE really had potential to get better until Fukuda wizzed it all with Destiny by sheer incompetence.
>so skilled he can shoot down his enemies without killing him
Are you forgetting that he killed plenty of people when he had the Strike?
And that his ability to nonlethally take down had NOTHING to do with his own skill. It had EVERYTHING to do with the Freedom having a targetting computer so advanced it let it do that.
Kira's best battles were actually with the Strike especially against the BaCue's. He was at a terrain disadvantage and actually had to struggle and improvise.
Then Freedom came and the animators got lazy and stock footaged up his fight with grunts. His battles with other Gundam though were at laest passable.
It's only Destiny were he became invincible and boring.
>But it is mildly realistic compared to how many shots are fired in the army for a single kill.
I miss when beam spam was people bitching about Freedom firing 5 cannons at once all the time and not "FUCK THEY'RE FIRING THEIR GUNS AGAIN DISGUSTING" and applying it to anything where there's a cyclic fire rate higher than like 15rpm involving a beam weapon.
I thought it was great how they went from the Gundam having like no ammo for anything in 0079 and one shotting shit left and right to an actually realistic volume of fire in Zeta. For the most part SEED is only somewhere in the middle of those two even, as the Strike and the others have somewhat limited ammo and you never see them rattling off shots faster than the sound effect, they just keep shooting like you'd expect in combat.
Kamille and Judau didn't go for blatant kill shots either.
It's usually Jerid's fault, which is the best.
>Jerid flies by Kamille, takes a few wide pot shots that miss
>Kamille's full blown autism is triggered, he starts screaming about how adults are to blame and that they need to stop all the killing as he murders his way across the battlefield with full thrusters
Nope. They can't talk unless making contact, which is why half of the time Kamille is hilarious. He's giving warnings and ultimatums to people who can't hear them, and then he kills them for not listening to him.
And what if he gets off because of his position in the military? Everyone that opposed him in ZAFT was basically already dead.
No, you need to kill him now. Sometimes vigilante justice is necesary when the system can't be trusted to do its job
It's the worst Gundam series. For the first half it's just a bad 0079, but still watchable. After a certain point it just becomes awful and every episode is about Kira winning every fight effortlessly without killing anyone because killing is wrong. There's no sense of suspense or tension because Kira is just better than everyone else, and no one is particularly interesting enough to care about except for the pilot of the Buster Gundam, who's a total fucking bro.
Others will say Destiny was the worst, but really it's only the second worst. It was pretty decent for a while until around episode 30-ish (it's been a while since I've watched it) when Kira comes back and takes over being the MC. At that point our MC up until then (Shinn) just completely devolves as a character and drops any amount of development he had to be a new bad guy for Kira.
Both are terrible, but Destiny was at least solid for more than half of it's run.
>Both are terrible, but Destiny was at least solid for more than half of it's run.
Destiny was shit from the start. The entire first arc involving the Gundamjack plot was pointless and was quickly forgotten when the War actually started. Then we had to involve the rest of the episodes with crap characters. Athrun and Cagall suffered character assassination. Not!Mwu and the Extended were boring. And Shinn was insufferable because the moronic staff wanted to him to keep raging and whining as opposed to actually developing his character. Then instead of fixing that, they backpedaled and reintroduced Kira but that was trying to restart a dying patient's heart with a bullet.