So who else decided to drop this garbage after just the fucking preview episode?
This. Shit has been around since DYRL.
Nothing new. The kind of technology we see in Delta isn't that advanced from previous Macross series. What about that concert in Macross Plus? They were able to materialize solid bracelets onto people. Materializing costumes isn't out of the ordinary for Macross at all.
>Show does x
>Later show in franchise is number of years later
>Somehow it is inconceivable that this technology would get significantly better over time
Might give it another chance if the VF-31 gets some nicer equipment. Other than that, even the VFs are kind of a turn off this time around, which is about the only thing that would save the show for me. I'm just plain not a fan of the Chronos and the VF-31 looks to be even less of a charmer.
Here's an idea: ever heard of people editing Game of Thrones episodes from sex/nudity or excessive violence? (http://boingboing.net/2013/02/21/censored-versions-of-game-of-t.html)
Somebody should do the same with Delta: remove all the sequences with idol shit and leave only the science fiction plot and VF combat. It would make it a lot more palatable for quite a number of us who love seeing jets turning into robots but can't stand the sight of moeshit.
Look at how fun and carefree this scene is. Not a care in the world, just the animators having fun and animating tons of strange dressups.
Now compare it with the Delta anime, where it is solely to cater to idolfags and precurefags. No soul. No fun. Only the expected animation we have already saw 80 times in 80 different animes.
Where did all the soul go? Where did all the sheer enjoyment of life go?
>Look at how fun and carefree this scene is.
That entire segment was a gigantic waste of time that could have been spent on actual story telling. DYRL was garbage and focused solely on selling idol music. Fuck off.
I'm going to ask you guys a real question.
Has this new series done any more "damage" to this series that Macross Seven didn't already fucking do?
I mean shit, that series was about how only singing (an naturally, only the main characters are of any use!) can have any effect on the ancient space demons in where nothing has any effect on them at all, and are about to cause the death of the universe by sapping life from it. It's a good thing that the main character only wants to sing to everyone.
Now, I don't hate Macross Seven, and I don't think it's the worst thing ever. But I certainly don't like it very much, and seeing at what Seven already pulled off, I'm wondering how this is the worst.
Also, you guys heard of Idol Defense Force Hummingbird? This shit has already been done before.
>Now compare it with the Delta anime, where it is solely to cater to idolfags
Now, if there is any mecha franchise to not complain about fucking idols.
It's motherfucking MACROSS!
I think only Macross 0 is the only series where an idol isn't one of the center characters! Even the first series is about how an idol's song touched the arts of the creepy monster aliens that don't know shit about about life.
So far, Delta hasn't reached the level of goofiness/retardation/whatever you choose to call it which 7 reached. I mean, it has a whole season to surpass 7, but I won't charge it before the crime has been committed.
Spiritia, and the designs of the Protodeviln? I can accept it, but I'd prefer those to have never been introduced. I prefer it when the musical aspect can be chalked up to "psychology" rather than a literal life force, and the Protodeviln were too Super Sentai for me. I prefer the Vajra and this Var Syndrome.
At first I was worried Walkure was bringing back the Spiritia concept, but thankfully it looks like it's just advanced technology and psychological/clinical.
You know, something can be called shit for doing the same things other things have done that made them shit, it doesn't need to surpass the shittiness of things that came before to qualify as shit.
I hope Kawamori learned something about polygons with his time with Okada.
Holy shit. The fuck is wrong with Kawamori? Does he subconsciously hates Macross or something? Is like he is intentionally making it a bad show.
I gave Frontier a pass since it had cool scenes, mecha and shit, but now instead of 2 songstress there's like 10. And the "villains" look like a bunch of Yaoi prots.
Does Kawamori hates foreigners that much now? Is like the show is an overload of all the current trends in anime that make it inferior to vintage shows...
This sort of angry, low quality OP is the sort of shit that is why I hate neo /m/. Its all about anger, hate, rage, I HATE THIS NOT MY X. When the hell did you all become old angry men.
...Are you like old, or what. This shit isn't for you anymore if you don't like it. Hell, you don't realize we like the new show.
Honestly, this show is more of a sequel to the 7 in that the military not only acknowledges the power of songs, but is working with them to use sounds to stop problems. I'm sorry you never were a real Macross fan, but yeah, move on from Macross bro.
I agree, shitting on shows in anger is pretty lame. You should never get mad on the internet. If you stifled your outrage i am sure you could better articulate why Delta does not look very promising. It would certainly lead to a better thread.
Kawamori likes, or at least acknowledges, Western fans. He lamented the fact that due to all the weird legal shenanigans surrounding Macross in America that he can't do a simulcast of it like the last few Gundam series have enjoyed.
Thank you. Like, if you explained why you don't like it, it would be ok. This is just the shitty 0 quality shitpost that I have noticed has started to spring up from late 2014, but reached a massive nexus in 2015. It seems like if the joke about /v/ is /v/ hates video game, /m/ hates mecha. Its all HATE THREAD GENERAL, I HATE YOU, I HATE ME, I HATE EVERYTHING, and it isn't even explained hate, it is more the sort of shitty low quality this sucks.
>or some angry SEA reject who can't accept that anime has changed.
If preferring quality storytelling and visuals over moe shit and idols makes one a SEA reject, then I guess that makes me a SEA reject.
The story is literally spoonfed to you. VER syndrome is a new issue that popped up. The Songstresses have the power of Songs that cure it. Its literally a retread of the later half of 7 if anything, with Sound Force curing spirita drain, combined with the Macross F songs being able to affect the physical reality of space-time. (Hell that was the 0 plot with the Bird Man as well,).
>I'm sorry you never were a real Macross fan, but yeah, move on from Macross bro.
Not him, but fuck off with this shit. That's kind of like saying someone was never a real Gundam fan because they don't like AGE or SEED.
I mean, yeah, those shows have the basic elements that Gundam is famous for, but that doesn't make them good by any stretch.
literally a hack job
and hell, Even the Super gritty harcore2fast2furious Macross Plus had Music literally hijacking 99% of humanity over SDF City on Earth, so its not like Kawamori pulled this idea out of his ass!
Wasn't responding to you personally, but /m/'s overall quality since 00 has gone down.
The only thing that has kept /m/ above becoming the anime version of /b/ are the few dedicated translators and subbers for a few series.
We recently got a volume of Destiny Astray completed, Gyrozetter fully completed, and the Dancouga Nova subber hasn't been taken by subninjas, and Twintails is slowly but steadily being translated.
All of that hidden or forgotten under all the bait and shitposting threads and the same circlejerking.
Honestly, I did not mean to make this a metathread, but yeah, at least I am not the only one. I felt like I noticed this from 2014 that there was just, like I remember back when codename:v was the shitposter, but back then after the roleplay threads were purged, we were all chill, watching Gundam and what not, but this strange backlash started to appear, like the Toku anger was one thing, but then every other thread became ANGER I HATE X Y Z.
The implosion came from A/Z and VVV and whatever other /m/ anime were airing at the same time or shortly after.
It was supposed to have been a good set of seasons for /m/ anime, but all /m/ came to generally enjoy was MJP and Buddy Complex. Gargantia somewhat less so (Chamber really being the only reason /m/ didn't outright shitpost it as often as any A/Z and VVV threads).
Add on top of those issues were the Gundam series after 00, which didn't bring anything sufficiently new to the table or with the same level of excitement. Frankly, it's possible /m/ is getting tired of Gundam and needs another long break from it.
Not him but he's right. If you can't deal with music in Macross then why are you even a fan to begin with? I'd say go watch Robotech but you already seem to be a fan of it.
>there's only 5
Glad to see you're too stupid to fucking count. And idol groups aren't new to the franchise at all. See Jamming Birds and Milky Dolls. At least these idols have jet thrusters, homing droids, and act more like warriors than weak fragile pop stars.
What the fuck does my post have to do with Robotech?
>If you can't deal with music in Macross
I can deal with it when the music's good.
Frontier had great music, more tension, and better VFs to boot in the very first episode. What's this show's excuse?
>but all /m/ came to generally enjoy was MJP and Buddy Complex.
Because both shows didn't fuck up despite not being very original also it warded away newshits and f/a/ggots who only watched anime based on hype alone why do you think Argevollen and M3 got active discussion here?
You have to remember when 00 was airing /m/ was a much more smaller board and we didn't have a plethora of different topics to discuss back then like we do now so all we talked about was 00, it has nothing really to do with franchise fatigue just that there's more to converse about other than Gundam.
>Frontier had great music, more tension, and better VFs to boot in the very first episode.
Oh, the file name. I'm posting shit I saved from google images onto my phone. I can't see the filenames in the browser.
Either way, my point stands. Classic elements of long running franchises can be executed poorly and tastelessly, and Delta isa pretty good example of oversaturation of genre tropes and trendy modern cliches clumsily worked into a series with a director already extremely guilty of not thinking things through when applying conventions and trends established by other shows or elements of modern culture into his work.
What sort of neo Christianity world did I wake up. Like holy shit, if you don't like the idol part of Macross, leave the fandom.
I mean, Idols have changed since 198X, its like when I hear people all go "oh man I remember when hip hop was like my childhood.
Also, only the Movie looked that good, even the best TV episodes did not look that good. I love TV SDF but its a fucking bad show at times. The fish episode is a fucking acid trip, a lot of the post occupation episodes are hackey, the ending is is this strange meta-refutation of the climax with the zentradi discovering culture as war, the love triangle is the worst of all the series in that Hikaru looks like the worst indecisive asshole.
Dispite all of SDFs flaws, I love it, so please don't hold it up as this HARD SCI FI classic, it has a lot of more insane/inane things, like the VF lighting a zentrai cigarette, the entire VF stealth mission on the Zentradi cruiser.
>exclusive use of the word fandom
its literally as old as the fucking Hugos, it was used when George Lucas was a kid watching Flash Gordon. I'm sorry you have sensitivity about a word. Have you never watched things outside of anime, been in other communities?
You're retarded. It's like someone enjoys Macross for only the music and starts bitching out the VFs. Macross without music isn't Macross. If you don't like it then go watch something else.
First episode, generally speaking, is meant to set the tone for a show, especially when it smacks you in the teeth with exposition the way Delta's did. It can be forgiven if a show has some wonky episodes in between here and there, but when your first goddamn episode (I don't care if it's an incomplete version) is this much of a mess of tacky nonsense, I don't think future episodes are going to be THAT much of an improvement.
So unless the rest of the show drops half the bullshit established by the preview episode and gets some better goddamn music, and the Siegfriend starts getting some cooler equipment (the latter is far more likely, I'll admit) I don't think the series is going to really shine in comparison to the previous series/movies.
That said, the VF battle was KIND of fun, but I'm still not really digging the sentai approach...
Well yeah, I was re-watching the big 3, the SDF, Gundam and SBY. Of all the 3, SDF is the most.. off the wall, Gundam has a few off the wall episodes (Doans island), but SDF goes between serious hard sci fi plot and "Hikaru's love life is falling apart" or "Max's wife did a thing" or "wacky VF fun."
Are you even reading the posts you respond to, or are you just kneejerking at this point? Did the backlash against Delta trigger you or something? >>13707204
>Frontier had great music, more tension, and better VFs to boot in the very first episode. What's this show's excuse?
You gotta admit, it was cool seeing upgraded versions of the Regult with alternate equipment.
Frontier 1 was also 3 times as long, so It is hard to compare. Now shot wise its almost verbatim,(at least the space battle), with VF-171s getting destroyed, and a light carrier being sunk, but replace the Vajara with the Draken III. The ground battle integrates the idol part with the land battle for Delta. Tension wise, I find Delta more scary because there are a lot more civilians being shot up rather than F's almost empty battlefield.
Not that anon, but you two seem oversensitive. Someone used a word you don't like, and you demand them to leave.
>the ending is is ths strange meta-refutation of the climax with the zentradi discovering culture as war, the love triangle is the worst of all the series in that Hikaru looks like the worst indecisive asshole.
Those are my two favorite things about SDF. The 2012 segments had a sort of "Scourging of the Shire" beauty to them, and the love triangle was painfully realistic. Painful in a good way.
I think I can handle the sort of thing Kawamori is planning for Delta, but what I really want is Space War II – The Supervision Army Strikes Back, or a real look at the Unification Wars, with even earlier prototypes than Zero, no Protoculture stuff aside from the SDF wreckage, and a down-to-earth Nineties idol (as in, her songs aren't magical or imbued with special powers).
You know, the whole "strange operatic song sung by a mysterious woman causes crazed violence in those that hear it" thing oddly familiar...
One thing I'm hoping for from this show is some more Macross models that actually retail for less than 5000 yen that aren't VF-1s.
I'd love a kit of that Regult with arms in >>13707270. I really hope we get to see more of that kind of stuff between the mahou shoujo shit.
lol I forgot about that, I was like "I know this is familar." I thought they were going for a Mac 7 style feel myself at first.
The Unification wars were a year long, and 0 sort of retcons in VFs as is, and offers a viable reason for why the hell the UN won, with the Bird Human being so horrifyingly overpowered it scared everyone into compliance.
>The Unification wars were a year long, and 0 sort of retcons in VFs as is, and offers a viable reason for why the hell the UN won, with the Bird Human being so horrifyingly overpowered it scared everyone into compliance.
Actually Zero takes place after the unification wars ended. It's just them mopping up remnants. If they were to animate the unifcation wars there would be no VFs since they weren't combat ready then.
It's my understanding that the Protodeviln formed an entirely new army from the hypnotized U.N. Spacy guys, and that the Supervision Army the Zentraedi had been fighting for thousands of years had never even become aware that their ancient creators had returned. But I never even knew the Supervision Army had any connection with the Protodeviln until after I finished watching 7 and did some online reading. Frankly, I didn't like how the Protodeviln I think are stupid are so tied into the important, mysterious group that "provided" humanity with the SDF Macross.
I like to think that the Supervision Army is still out there, watching the Human-Zentraedi civilization spread at such an alarming rate, preparing for a massive war. And by this time the Protodeviln are mostly forgotten, just near-mythical gods, until they learn humans miraculously defeated them in 2046.
I even wouldn't mind a Macross show about non-transforming jet fighters. Maybe they had non-transforming space fighters too, since there was that attack on Mars. I just want what I had thought Zero would be before I watched it.
He seemed like the only sane person despite being very anime as well.
Hopefully we get a little more self awareness in the full series, what made this annoying was there was barely any.
Interesting story. A bunch of girls going out there risking their lives for others is not interesting enough. You seem to think they are damsels who don't know what they're doing
No, i think they are a load of boring anime clichés you see in every other show played completely straight. I wasn't looking for some generic ass magical girl show this time with robots.
I have no idea where you got the damsel thing from.
>How are they generic
Go look at each of them and there personalities. then tell me they aren't generic as all hell. Even their designs are forgettable
That's the best you got? That the reason they do mid air transformations, make sparkles and just act like fucking magical girls is tech related so it doesn't mater it looks like everything else? No, this is why so much anime is the bland same thing. A slight change and people stop noticing glaring genericness
Wow, you sure showed me! Looks like I was right after all.
So you can't even prove me wrong and again just toss around the word generic. Bravo. Besides mecha is pretty fucking generic too isn't it? Wow, it's another giant robot that shoots bullets/beams. How original.
Hilarious. I thought GoT was supposed to be the pinnacle of TV series, and it's actually full of porn fanservice?
I guess it's fine when murrica does it.
And it's even funnier you can remove part of a show like that without hurting the story. You simply can't tell Macross's story without it's idols. They were often part of the sci-fi plot itself before and it's obviously the same for Delta, remove it's idols and suddenly everyone get fucking crazy massacring each others until there's no left, bravo.
And you refuse to even open your eyes. So who's your favourite one? Mine is green hair who acts emotionless and uncaring, those are always my favourite! But then there is also the childish older one but this time they added in the mech nerd trope so I may have to add her to my waifu list as well! These characters weren't set up as people, they were set up as a collection of tropes to appeal to otaku, maybe you should stop watching all the shitty stuff /a/ does every season and you's remember what good writing is
>Besides mecha is pretty fucking generic too isn't it? Wow, it's another giant robot that shoots bullets/beams
See this is the same thing when people shout "well macross always has idols so this is 100% the same and no one can complain." Execution matters, the execution here is bland and generic
WOOW look at this shit, what the fuck happened to Macross?
This is some Taylor Swift shit right here.
Even from her 3 minute appearance I was able to tell Reina was not "emotionless and uncaring". She was shown smiling plenty of times and clearly cares about protecting the civilians. If you're going to bash on a show at least pretend you watched it.
Oh yeah there was a split section of surprise when she was falling, what a deep and emotional and realistic character!
Your turn now. What makes these characters so unique, fresh, realistic and interesting like you are saying. Not just some generic collection of tropes
>What makes these characters so unique, fresh, realistic and interesting like you are saying.
Never said any of those things, asshole. I don't think they're generic but I don't think they're completely fresh either because we barely know anything about these idols. They only had like 4 minutes of screen time...
So basically you can't say anything interesting about them. The slightest hint you have to stand up for a point you backed down hard
You can just say you want some bland magical girl show anon, that is fine you are allowed to want that just don't pretend it is anything more or particularly good.
And you can't really say anything negative about them besides "generic". I don't even understand how you could already label them as such when we've barely seen them on screen. The autism baffles me.
If they were just standing around singing or shooting speaker pods at the enemies then yeah that wouldn't be anything new or fresh at all. But since they are for the first time taking a more active role in battle it makes them feel pretty fresh to me.
It's the proportions, if they managed to get the right proportions I think that will make it somewhat passable.
Pic Not related
Nigga if you didn't think the fold up radome on the yellow RVF-31 or the combination gunpod mount weapon pod that Mirage had was fucking awesome from an in-universe tech standpoint, I can't help you.
I really want to see them shoot the gunpod from the back mount while using the forearm guns and head beam guns simultaneously though. That would make my year.
Not only now there is a bunch of songstresses instead of a couple... now there is even a fucking dancer among the prots.
That's it... Kawamori is GAY.
Pic related is the show Macross should had always been...
>VF-31 has a...
A logical extension of the YF-30's missile rack mount, allowing it considerably more versatility in terms of equipment and mission role, and looking badass in the process.
Have people REALLY forgotten about this?
How is Delta any different?
Not to mention, we've only seen Hayate, Mirage and Chuck's weapon pods. Messer and Arad could have something completely different. They could even have the same missile pod the YF-30 had.
7 treated Basara like the crazy idiot he was for half of its run and had relatively grounded characterization otherwise.
Delta has no self-awareness whatsoever, manages to have a premise that's even more asinine and has THE most autismal characters to date.
>and has THE most autismal characters to date.
>"I'm an expert on these characters I've only seen for 5 minutes!"
I know Delta is attracting a lot of shitposters but at least try and be a little more creative.
> Macross should have been a good sci-fi setup that quickly throws it aside for harem antics with a bland protagonist
Sidonia had a great start and then just got boring after a few chapters when it became obvious he was just making a harem manga. I'll take any Macross entry over that.
But anon, if Basara already proved to the galaxy that music can save everyone, wouldn't it be even more asinine for everyone to just say "Nope, music can't do jack shit. Please ignore that shit that happened twenty years ago. Nope, there totally wasn't some guy twenty years ago who used rock music to fight evil space vampires."?
Ever since Macross 7 established that Music = Magic, it only makes sense that subsequent installments would continue to use Music as Magic. Sheryl's AIDS were cured by music. The Vajra were cured by music. Macross 30 had Musical Time Travel or some shit. And now Delta has Music being used to cure the rage virus.
I don't understand this series of complaints. Delta isn't any stupider than 7 was. You know what's asinine? Giving 7 a free pass while criticizing Delta. They're the same fucking shit!
Sure, keep telling yourself that.
>I don't understand this series of complaints. Delta isn't any stupider than 7 was. You know what's asinine? Giving 7 a free pass while criticizing Delta.
You know what they say about assuming things, anon.
Someone made a good point in the other thread. Just cause you can argue a point to seem a logical progression doesn't mean it is a good one.
Also 7 is probably the show that gets complained most about here so trying the but 7 argument doesn't really work. And jumping out of a VF in mid air to fly down with your rocket skirt to sing drones at people and sometimes just dance while everything burns does sound a lot sillier guy/people in VF flies around singing and avoid actual fighting
I agree with >>13710263 about the show making i clear Basara's a nut, but I'll still give Delta a chance.
...that said, 7 had THE POWER OF ROCK, as well as badass pilots. I don't know, a lot of these pilots from Delta seem like they took Portland (yeah. Portland, Oregon) and turned it into anime characters.
>And jumping out of a VF in mid air to fly down with your rocket skirt to sing drones at people and sometimes just dance while everything burns does sound a lot sillier guy/people in VF flies around singing and avoid actual fighting
Speak for yourself. That sounds awesome.
I think you need to compare their respective 1st episodes. 7 had Basara going out into battle with the most advanced VF at the time and singing at his enemies. Which showed to have zero effect on them while 7's VF squadrons were being torn apart. Compare that to Walkure singing in battle having an effect on their enemies while protecting civilliains. In comparison Delta makes Basara look like an attention seeking asshole. If 7 aired today /m/ would have a much worse reaction to it than Delta.
The show acknowledged he wasn't being effective and have to get better. The show made him look stupid if anything
> If 7 aired today /m/ would have a much worse reaction to it than Delta.
yes, but that's because 7 is 50% a repetitive slog. In general it isn't a highly praised show here, very split on it really
It actually worked until the Fuccboi Flyers interrupted them, so yeah it was a good plan, if you watched the episode they not only calm down the pilots but destroy their weapons rather than outright blow them away.
Their song is the only thing that can stop the Var outbreak. Of course its a good idea unless you weren't paying attention. Killing the infected Zentradi isn't an option either as it doesn't end the outbreak.
>It actually worked until the Fuccboi Flyers interrupted them
No it didn't, the city looked like it was in ruin before. We see there there is still gun fire. But instead of dealing with any of these problems lets dance in an open space where everyone can be easily hit!
Here's an idea, send the music out with them in the back and have people concentrate on helping on the front line
The city was partially ruined because the Zentraedi deployed before Walkure could. It's clear that they're getting things under control up until the point that the Aerial Knights defold and interrupt the operation.
>Here's an idea, send the music out with them in the back and have people concentrate on helping on the front line
Awesome idea if only it would work. Do you honestly think Walkure would be in the front lines if they could do that instead? They have to personally quell the Var ourbreak themselves.
>Going to be difficult helping people when you're being shot at by giant fucking robots
Especially difficult when you are doing a song and dance and there is only a few of you instead of a whole army helping. There shit didn't run on songs, it had to be recharged. They didn't need to be the ones using it and even if they did need song power some how just have it play to the bits instead of them standing in the wide open where they can easily be shot like which is exactly what happened at the end.
lets say they really had to be the ones using them. Put them in a protective shield near the events which has a lot of monitors so they can see everything going on, can do all there stuff but are actually safe while you deploy an actual military
>because the Zentraedi deployed before Walkure could.
Not a very effective force then if they can't get out before everything is ruined
>Do you honestly think Walkure would be in the front lines if they could do that instead?
Explain how it can't be. That's like saying every plot point every is a good idea cause the story said it should happen so it must happen like that. Circular logic
>Someone made a good point in the other thread. Just cause you can argue a point to seem a logical progression doesn't mean it is a good one.
Oh fuck off. Riddle me this, bitch: How is singing while using combat support drones any stupider than flying a military spacefighter jet USING A GUITAR?
This isn't a "logical progression". There is no progression here. 7 and Delta are equally stupid. Delta has idols singing on the front lines using combat drones. 7 has a crazy hippy and friends singing on the front lines using transforming robots controlled by musical instruments.
Stop trying to claim that "DELTA IS SO MUCH WORSE THAN THE REST OF THE FRANCHISE BECAUSE OF [X]" when [X] has been a part of the franchise for OVER TWENTY FUCKING YEARS.
>Put them in a protective shield near the events
THEY LITERALLY HAVE FUCKING SHIELD DRONES FLYING AROUND WITH THEM THAT ARE CAPABLE OF DEFENDING THEM AGAINST DIRECT MISSILE STRIKES
THEY HAVE A TEAM OF L-A-T-E-S-T G-E-N-E-R-A-T-I-O-N VARIABLE FIGHTERS ASSISTING THEM.
DID YOU EVEN WATCH THE FUCKING EPISODE YOU STUPID CUNT
>Especially difficult when you are doing a song and dance and there is only a few of you instead of a whole army helping. There shit didn't run on songs, it had to be recharged. They didn't need to be the ones using it and even if they did need song power some how just have it play to the bits instead of them standing in the wide open where they can easily be shot like which is exactly what happened at the end.
>lets say they really had to be the ones using them. Put them in a protective shield near the events which has a lot of monitors so they can see everything going on, can do all there stuff but are actually safe while you deploy an actual military
Except the military was there helping. We saw Delta squadron disabling the zentradi mecha and we saw some Nightmare Pluses fighting too.
>THEY LITERALLY HAVE FUCKING SHIELD DRONES FLYING AROUND
Did you miss the part where they nearly got blown up and crushed by rubble? Second late tehy would be dead and no more idols with the right magic power
>Except the military was there helping.
There is more to a military than a few planes. They obviously didn't have it under control as the city is in ruins and there is a lot of gun fire throughout it. Never mind half the time the VFs are just dancing as well not helping. There is also this thing called ground troops, give them jet packs and shields instead of just 4 girls. And before you try but they probably need song magic which is shown not to be the case then have the girls still singing just playing out everywhere
>Did you miss the part where they nearly got blown up and crushed by rubble? Second late tehy would be dead and no more idols with the right magic power
But they didn't. They survived. Welcome to anime, you stupid bitch.
Is this really what every single fucking Macross Delta thread is gonna be for the next nine months.
"WAAAHHHH, WHY ISN'T THIS SHOW ABOUT GIANT FLYING ROBOTS AND POP IDOLS REALISTIC! WHY ISN'T IT MORE LIKE THAT ROBOTECH SHOW I USED TO WATCH AS A KID!"
Just fucking accept that this franchise isn't for you, that it's never been for you, and that it's been filled with stupid magic bullshit for over twenty years now and THAT'S NOT GONNA CHANGE JUST BECAUSE YOU WANT IT TO BE MORE LIKE ROBOTECH.
Are you this dense or lack deductive reasoning? Its quite obvious Walkure has to be there. They was doing active reconnaissance so they can immediately get to the affected area of a Var outbreak. You were obviously not paying attention.
Of course he wasn't paying attention, he probably watched the entire episode with a smug smirk on his face, drinking red wine so he feels like an adult, while thinking to himself "I can't wait to go on /m/ and impress everyone with my SUPERIOR INTELLECTUAL OPINIONS about why this show is objectively terrible!". He probably even shook his head a bit during the end credits and said "Oh dear, his tragic a fall of a great franchise this is" out loud, as if he's the fucking Lord Of Anime, who knows better than a man who has been in the business for over thirty years.
That's how I see people who bitch about Macross Delta. Wannabe Artisan Critics.
>Not a very effective force then if they can't get out before everything is ruined
The episode implied that they had no way to prevent a Var outbreak, just neutralise one which is under way. At the time the episode takes place Walkure is proactively investigating the planet to pin-point where a large scale outbreak may take place, so they can be better positioned to respond. When some mysterious entity deliberately triggers the Var, Walkure is still spread across the planet, but they still get there in fairly impressive time.
Ultimately current generation Zentraedi war machines are very powerful, so it's not really surprising that they could cause a great deal of destruction in a short space of time. Walkure still has it under control when the Aerial Knights interfere, and even with the Aerial Knights interfering they're able to protect numerous civilians.
Is this really what every single fucking Macross Delta thread is gonna be for the next nine months.
Some idiot coming in when people express their dislikes and insisting people are making complaints they're not, throwing a fit because people are disliking what they like?
Just fucking accept that this board isn't for you, that it's never been for you, and that it's been filled with people who may have different opinions from your own and THAT'S NOT GONNA CHANGE JUST BECAUSE YOU WANT IT TO BE MORE LIKE YOUR HUGBOX.
>No it didn't, the city looked like it was in ruin before.
Try actually reading the entire post next time, seriously, there's nitpicking and then there's straight up fucking retardation.
You're confusing criticism with outright righteous retardation. Seriously, look at this shit:
>They obviously didn't have it under control as the city is in ruins and there is a lot of gun fire throughout it. Never mind half the time the VFs are just dancing as well not helping. There is also this thing called ground troops, give them jet packs and shields instead of just 4 girls
How would they have the city under control mere minutes after the attack started? Apparently a landing and then taking off again half a second later is "dancing half the time"? Ground troops with jetpacks vs thirty-foot-tall aliens, armed to the teeth?
This is a man who has never watched Macross before, trying to act like an expert about Macross.
If there's something I can't stand, it's someone pretending to be an expert.
Gundamfags were right, Macrossfags have a low standard.
...yeah, it would probably have got a worse reaction today.
I still like 7's music better though. Fire Bomber, the re-purposed Macross II music, and various other "in-universe" songs for 7 made for the best soundtrack of any Macross series. Unless Fire Bomber makes a guest appearance (Mylene in her late 30s? Basara in his 40s? Why not?), Delta's music might end up good, but not on that level of awesome.
>Welcome to anime, you stupid bitch.
That's a very lazy excuse and says a lot about the people who like this
>Its quite obvious Walkure has to be there.
Read my posts. i already explained how they could use the music without them being on the front line
>just neutralise one which is under way.
Which seeing as most of the city was gone they did not do a good job of. I never once said prevent the outbreak, I said they could handle the situation better and you don't seem to be taking into account any of my examples of how.
>implying this is any worse than Basara using THE POWER OF ROCK MUSIC to form a protective bubble of air in a fucking vacuum as he makes atmospheric reentry without a spacesuit so that he can shoot magic out of his mouth at an interdimensional alien space vampire
I hate to break this to you, anon: Macross has always been retarded. It's one of the best things about the franchise: The mindnumbing contrast between intricately detailed military tech, and completely insale magical bullshit. Kinda like Metal Gear. If you take it seriously, you're doing it wrong.
>everything in it always is 10007% sensible
Macross was never sensible. Your mistake was ever thinking it was. Even the original SDF Macross was batshit insane. The only "serious" entries were Plus and Zero. Just a couple of OVAs.
>All of this shitposting.
...and let's not forget that Zero was batshit insane toward the end. And pretty polarizing overall in the "do we like this or not" category.
I agree with you though. Everyone needs to chill the fuck out. It's a cartoon about transforming planes and music saving the galaxy. You'd think it was some kind of sacred religion by the way people are acting.
>I hate to break this to you, anon: Macross has always been retarded
This line of argument is really stupid. It's like saying 0079 and Mazinger are both silly cause robots so they are the same.
Extent and execution anon. Even Basara went out in a VF not a frilly dress
>That's a very lazy excuse and says a lot about the people who like this
I don't need an excuse to call you a stupid bitch. You're a stupid bitch. Wanna know why you're a stupid bitch? Because your argument comes down to "BUT THEY COULD'VE DIED IN THE RUBBLE.". But they DIDN'T die in the rubble. If your argument comes down to "WHAT IF SOMETHING THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN ACTUALLY HAPPEN INSTEAD", then you're a stupid bitch, because it didn't happen.
What if a giant fucking solar flare went off and killed everyone on the planet? WHAT? WALKURE DIDN'T HAVE A COUNTERMEASURE FOR THAT? CLEARLY WALKURE ARE INCOMPETENT AND THIS ANIME IS AS STUPID AS I AM!
That's you. That's what you sound like. You stupid bitch. Your argument is based on "What Ifs", and that's only something a stupid bitch relies on. Getting the fucking message yet?
>Read my posts. i already explained how they could use the music without them being on the front line
Oh, because you write the story, don't you? I mean, they already showed that Mikumo had to get right up close to a Queadluun-Rea pilot in order to cure him, but fuck that right? I'm sure you know better. Never mind the fact that their Fold Wave broadcast has a limited range, because you don't even fucking know what Fold Waves are do you you stupid bitch.
>Which seeing as most of the city was gone they did not do a good job of. I never once said prevent the outbreak, I said they could handle the situation better
By... doing what, exactly? Pulling more forces out of their fucking assholes? More "What Ifs", of course. "WHAT IF THEY HAD A GIGANTIC MILITARY FORCE ALL PREPED AND READY TO GO ON THIS TINY SHITTY LITTLE BACKWATER FRONTIER PLANET? THEN THERE WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN A PROBLEM! THEY SHOULD'VE THOUGHT OF THAT! BUT THEY DIDN'T THINK OF THAT BECAUSE THEY'RE STUPID AND USELESS. I THOUGHT OF IT BECAUSE I'M SMART. I KNOW I'M SMART BECAUSE MY MOMMY TOLD ME SO."
But you're not smart, anon. You're just another stupid bitch.
>Which seeing as most of the city was gone they did not do a good job of. I never once said prevent the outbreak, I said they could handle the situation better and you don't seem to be taking into account any of my examples of how.
I think you're being a little unreasonable, that's all. It's easy enough to say 'they should have responded this way, it would have gone better' but that's not really something you can be sure about. Particularly given one of your complaints appears to be that they didn't respond in time, but they make pretty good time in the show.
The situation in the show is contrived (in the sense that all premises are contrived), but within that Walkure does seem to be doing a solid job. Maybe they could do a better job, but you're suggesting they did a bad job, which I don't think is tenable.
No. You read mine. You weren't paying attention to the episode at all. Quit trying to justify your so-called perfect idea when the show made it crystal clear that it wouldn't work.
>Read my posts. i already explained how they could use the music without them being on the front line
Their songs are short ranged so they have to be out front.
>Which seeing as most of the city was gone they did not do a good job of.
It was not most of the city. They had most of the situation under control and even Arad himself was saying the songs were working. It wasn't until the Aerial Knights appeared that shit went badly. But you wouldn't know that since you clearly didn't watch the episode.
Please just ignore him. Let's just talk about why Mikumo is the best girl.
You've only established that Macross 7 has been retarded. Macross( and subsequently DYRL), Plus and Zero have been great to decent shows.
Everything else has been complete and utter shit, that failed to attract the core fanbase.
She makes Isamu look fucking sedated.
>You'd think it was some kind of sacred religion by the way people are acting.
Oh no, how dare people to be disappointed at yet another Macross, that throws away elements that made the show great(such as pacing, characters, and overall direction), and instead goes the "magical girl" "we need more colours" "is it cute enough?" route.
When the show is over, it will be regarded as shit. Simple as that. It will take it's place next to frontier and seven. Both shows that people only like because they've been their first Macross shows.
>When the show is over, it will be regarded as shit. Simple as that. It will take it's place next to frontier and seven. Both shows that people only like because they've been their first Macross shows.
The delusion is real.
>these character designs
We want the Love Live! audience.
Deal with it and your shit taste.
And yet they managed to not make the show seem like a magical girl strip mixed with robots, but made it a working drama instead. It's not the ingredients, its the dish that comes out at the end. All animes are over the top. The elements were in place for Plus, that's the difference. This show just doesn't manage to align said elements, and instead creates something that can only be seen as parody of Macross.
>The delusion is real
No anon, if I call other elements silly that means this show is exactly the same as every other macross.
Like 7 was silly, and everyone loves 7 so much and it never gets detractors!
And anyone who says anything about the idols just hates macross which means all points a invalid, it's not like idol anime has become incredibly cancerous lately and this seems to be following suit
The youngest is 14 and she's the exception. Most of them are near 20.
Macross has already had them. See Milky Dolls and Jamming Birds.
>This show just doesn't manage to align said elements, and instead creates something that can only be seen as parody of Macross.
Here is a screencap of Basara shooting a laser beam out of his mouth in Macross 7.
You were saying?
>idol anime has become incredibly cancerous lately and this seems to be following suit
Oh, so the reason you hate Delta is because it has idols in it, something that literally every single installment of Macross had had?
Y'see, the reason why the comparisons to 7 are made is quite simple: Everyone's acting like Delta is some new level of bullshit for the Macross franchise, when in actuality it's more like a return to the good old days of Macross 7. Just with pop music instead of rock music.
>Here is a screencap of Basara shooting a laser beam out of his mouth in Macross 7.
You were saying?
You're just proving my point, because 7 is on the same level of shit, and only retards like that show and take it seriously.
You don't have to take a show seriously to enjoy it, asshole
You're failing to understand my point. Frankly, I'm not surprised, considering that you're both retarded.
Okay, lemme spell this out for you:
How can Delta be "ruining the franchise" if it's just doing the same things 7 did? Using music to cure diseases and fight enemies. The only difference is, in 7 they used VFs controlled by musical instruments, while Delta they use flexible shield drones while being supported by a VF squadron. Same shit, different coat of paint.
You're complaining about dancing Valkyries, in a franchise with a first installment that featured Valkyries using their gunpods to light giant cigarettes, or putting on gigantic uniforms and doing sneaking missions, or rescuing giant fish from a vacuum that should've killed them instantly.
You're complaining about music being magical in a franchise whose most serious installment, Macross Plus, had pop music being used to brainwash an entire planet.
You're taking Macross seriously.
You lost before you even began.
>a return to the good old days of Macross 7.
I just puked a little. Seriously, this is a hattrick, you proved that
>a) your opinion is completely retarded and should be disregarded
>b) Macross 7 fans are still as delusional as when the show was released
>c) nothing could prove more that Delta is shit, as 7 fans celebrating the show as a "return to the good old days
Anon, let me ask you a question:
Why are you here, in this thread, if you don't like Macross?
Is this what you like to do with your time? Spend it talking about things you don't like?
Congratulations on further proving that 7 is shit. It seems like you're having trouble grasping that people generally don't like M7.
With that established, what was your point again?
>You're failing to understand my point.
>It's not the ingredients, its the dish that comes out at the end
You are trying to find a way to say both things are silly so they are the same which doesn't make sense while using 7 as an example like it is super popular show here. Even the most similar example you use of dancing VF and using a VF to light a cigarette are very different things.
>Macross Plus, had pop music being used to brainwash an entire planet.
As I said before, it's not the elements, it's how they're used. You can take the elements and make a working drama, or you can take them and make some hilarious shitfest that people laugh at. In case you had trouble following: Delta is the latter.
>It seems like you're having trouble grasping that people generally don't like M7.
But, everyone loved Macross 7. It's one of the most popular Macross installments. It sold well enough to get a movie and multiple OVA sequels.
You seem to be under the impression that because YOU don't like something, that EVERYONE doesn't like it.
No, you're still not getting my point: You're trying to apply rational logic to an irrational franchise. You're taking Macross too seriously. Rather than being able to enjoy every entry of the franchise, you limit yourself just to SDF and Plus. And even then, you require selective amnesia about some of the stupider plot elements.
>You can take the elements and make a working drama, or you can take them and make some hilarious shitfest that people laugh at. In case you had trouble following: Delta is the latter.
>I don't like it, so no one likes it!
But anon, that's not how it works.
Do you seriously believe that Delta will be a failure? Is that what you need to tell yourself in order to sleep at night?
I'll ask again:
Why are you spending your time talking about things you don't like? Why not spend your time talking about things you DO like instead? Is this really how you wanna live your life?
Can we establish that it's just this one faggot(maybe one or two others that stopped posting already) who desperately tries to prove that Delta is great, because 7 is also great? Both of which are complete and utter nonsense of course.
>You're trying to apply rational logic to an irrational franchise.
Oh how dare I try to think rationally like a normal human.
No, and that still doesn't make your point any better with lazy comparisons of it's silly. It's how these elements play out in the show which counts but you've got it warped in your head that if anyone doesn't like one element of delta they hate all things that could be called silly.
>You're taking Macross too seriously. Rather than being able to enjoy every entry of the franchise
Cause I don't feel the need to enjoy something just because of a name. I can like and dislike various entries of a franchise quite easily.
>I'm going to watch something I don't like just so I can complain about it online!
Well anon... I have to watch it to find out if I don't like it or not... Are you really this retarded?
Cause otherwise you'd go
>well you didn't watch it so none of the points are valid
>Why are you spending your time talking about things you don't like?
Because I like Macross in general so I tried this. it wasn't good so I came to an imageboard I frequent where Macross is discussed to say so and talk about it with others because I like doing so.
Did it? Well, good for them. I don't care about that. I don't get upset because things I don't like are popular.
Holy shit, you're still not getting it. It's not that 7 is great, it's that everyone is saying Delta is bad and has ruined Macross forever, even though it's just pulling the same tricks that 7 did twenty years ago.
This is a show about a group of pop idols using magical music to fight an evil rage virus. The moment you start applying logic to it, you lose.
Okay, and now that you've found out that you don't like it, why do you insist on continuing to shit up Delta threads?
>But, everyone loved Macross 7. It's one of the most popular Macross installments
What universe do you live in? It's certainly not ours.
>But anon, that's not how it works.
But anon, people are already laughing at it.
> Rather than being able to enjoy every entry of the franchise, you limit yourself just to SDF and Plus. And even then, you require selective amnesia about some of the stupider plot elements.
TIL that not liking shitty shows means "limiting my enjoyment". Seriously, the mental gymnastics 7 fags are capable of are astonishing. And no, as said multiple times, no one has to blend out stupider plot elements of SDF or Plus, because they were used correctly. Follow the discussion anon, we've been over that already.
But now that you've watched it and decided you don't like it, why are you still here?
I watched seven episodes Gundam IBO. Decided I didn't like it very much. Did I then go and hang around in the IBO threads for weeks, bitching about it? No. I moved on and found something else to talk about.
I'll ask you again: Why do you want to spend your time talking about things you don't like?
>there's only one person who likes Delta
That guy's argument of "Delta is like 7, therefore Delta is good" doesn't hold water, but that doesn't make Delta or 7 any less good in their own right.
>it's that everyone is saying Delta is bad and has ruined Macross forever
The only person I can see bringing that up is you.
All I see is people saying it is good or bad for various reasons
>The moment you start applying logic
I see that as a flaw and bad story for this show.
>Why do you want to spend your time talking about things you don't like?
> I came to an imageboard I frequent where Macross is discussed to say so and talk about it with others because I like doing so.
>I like doing so
If Macross 7 wasn't popular, why did it get so many albums and spin-off products?
Why does the fact that people are laughing at it matter? It's not meant to be taken seriously anyway.
Why do you want to spend your time talking about shows you think are bad? Why don't you want to spend your time talking about things you like instead?
Did you just shit in your own eyes instead of reading my posts? I didn't say 7 was good, I said that Delta isn't any worse than 7.
>I see that as a flaw and bad story for this show.
Then go watch something else. Please, for the love of fucking god, don't shit up the Delta threads for the next nine months because you feel compelled to explain to everyone how awful it is.
But you don't like Delta.
So why are you continuing to talk about Delta?
I don't go to the threads for shows I don't like, even if they're in franchises I like, just to complain about them.
I'll ask you, once more, again: Why do you want to spend your time talking about shows you don't like?
>Okay, and now that you've found out that you don't like it, why do you insist on continuing to shit up Delta threads?
Did you even read the OP you retard? This is not a "Delta thread". This is a "fuck this garbage thread."
You're the one that's in the wrong thread, and desperately tries to disprove what everyone knows already.
>has ruined Macross forever, even though it's just pulling the same tricks that 7 did twenty years ago.
You did this multiple times already, and you're doing it again: establishing that 7 is shit as well. And people said that it's shit when it came out, so I don't know what your point is? That some people watched it? Every shit has people watching it, I don't know what you're trying to prove here anon.
This isn't a hugbox. If you never want any negativity go to some other place. I want to actually talk about shows more than shouting I want to sniff some idols butt, that seems more what you want
It's not about a lack of negativity. I just don't understand why you insist on complaining about a show you don't like.
I don't like IBO, yet I like other Gundam installments. Yet, I don't shit up IBO threads.
Because unlike you, I'm not gonna waste my time talking about shit I don't like.
Ok, so you don't like Delta for the same reasons you don't like 7.
What's the point of continuing with the discussion at that point? Why not just disengage and go do something else?
I'm objecting to the very nature of this thread: Why waste your time on something you don't like? I don't go making threads about shows I don't like just so I can complain about them.
The entire premise of this thread is mind boggling. THIS is what you want to spend your time on?
Like, at least before we were going into discussion about the various elements of the show and why those elements were bad.
But now it's just "Delta is bad because it's too similar to 7 and I hate 7 and everyone else hates 7 and no one should like 7 and no one should like Delta and Macross is awful now and I wish there was more Robotech".
What a fucking disaster of a thread.
>. I just don't understand why you insist on complaining about a show you don't like
I mean, you just answered your own question
You seem to not understand that people do like to talk about things they dislike, I have no idea why the concept is so alien to you. Would me singing it help cause that works in macross?
But it's such a pointless endeavor. You're not gonna change the nature of the show. You're not engaging in any worthwhile discussion about it. You're just saying "It's shit, because I don't like it" over and over again.
Well, earlier I was talking about stuff like the shield bits and the fold wave mechanics, but now it's just a bunch of people trying to shut down any discussion of the show.
Personally, I'm here because terrible OP aside, this thread had some pretty interesting Delta discussion going on before you showed up and derailed it into shitflinging. At this point no one's even talking about the show itself any more, it's just vague ranting about taste and whether or not SDF was silly, with some even more pointless meta shitflinging about complaint threads.
No, as opposed to "Let's talk about why it's bad" instead of just "It's bad because I said so".
Why do you hate Delta, specifically? What about it didn't you like? And don't just say "Because the elements didn't mix". Explain the elements in question. Try to get some actual discussion going instead.
Jesus, what's the point of a discussion board if it just comes down to "DELTA IS IDOLSHIT I DON'T LIKE IT YOUR TASTE IS AWFUL".
>implying this is any worse than Basara using THE POWER OF ROCK MUSIC to form a protective bubble of air in a fucking vacuum as he makes atmospheric reentry without a spacesuit so that he can shoot magic out of his mouth at an interdimensional alien space vampire
WHAT EPISODE WAS THIS?
>But it's such a pointless endeavor
Too bad, that doesn't stop people enjoying to do so. But I also disagree as talking about something you don't like helps you have a greater understanding of the problems, especially when there are basic story telling issues and how certain characters can be done better. Discussing what went wrong often reveals a lot more than what went right, cause that is just hey that is cool and rarely gets any deeper
If you want to talk about sniffing idol butts then fine, I'm not gonna stop you even though that discussion is boring and would just turn to picture spam. And before you try saying but negativity stops it I'd point out like that other anon this is a hate thread
>You're not engaging in any worthwhile discussion about it.
Cause fuckers like you shit up the thread saying no you can't dislike it and talk about it.
>Cause fuckers like you shit up the thread saying no you can't dislike it and talk about it.
That's not what happened. We were talking about it, and now we aren't because apparently "7 is on the same level of shit, and only retards like that show and take it seriously".
This thread has stopped being about Macross Delta or about 7, and has simply become nothing but ad hominem attacks.
"Delta is shit because it's retarded and you're retarded for liking it" is not discussion, it's just shitposting.
This isn't a hate thread anymore, it's a hate circlejerk.
I'm just gonna wait until the BD rips are out.
I find I just can't enjoy shows like this with low bitrate streaming, and the blurays have the definitive version of the show (and usually decent subs).
The Macross: Frontier blurays were awesome!
>Why do you hate Delta, specifically?
The characters are nit very interesting and seem very generic, especially the idols which seem to be following what modern idol shows do of giving them a basic pandering quirk. The main boy wasn't likeable. This episode was meant to be a preview to get me on board but it just turned me off all of them, introductions are important. The magical girl element seems very overblown taking over the whole show instead of just being a part.
I disliked how the VFs seemed so secondary as one of the reasons I watch macross is for the mech action. the bits that were they just weren't very good and the cgi quality seemed like a drop from Frontier. In fact none of the animation impressed me at all.
The general premise doesn't seem to be using music in an interesting way and has just made it into a magical girl power.
>doesn't seem to be using music in an interesting way
Music as brainwashing is pretty interesting if you ask me. They're playing the concept a little different than Plus did, but I like the direction it's taking.
>This isn't a hate thread anymore, it's a hate circlejerk
You really didn't read the OP did you? You just went on autopilot as soon as you saw the Delta picture in the OP and now you're complaining about all the "ad hominem" attacks and the shitposting. Well congratulations anon, you got yourself caught.
You're complaining about getting fucked in the ass, after you entered the gaybar out of your own volition.
I think it's too early to judge the characters. From what I've seen so far, I like Freyja quite a lot. She seems to combine personality aspects from both Sheryl and Ranka. I admit that the other Walkure idols don't seem to be quite interesting yet. I agree about Hayate, but I didn't like Alto at first either. I think the magical girl element is around about as strong as the magical boy element was in 7, and I was okay with 7, so I'm willing to give this a shot.
There was an entire segment of the episode dedicated to VF combat, including dogfighting between ten VFs total. I agree that the CGI quality isn't top-of-the-line, but I found it to be more than adequate.
The premise of the music being used to brainwash people is something that's appeared multiple times before in the franchise, including in Plus and Zero. I'm curious to see the source of it, and I'm interested to know how Mindemere is involved.
Kawamori said in an interview that we might get to see a bit more of what the Protoculture is like, so I've got quite high hopes for where this plot thread is going.
Gotta disagree entirely about the music. Both Koi! Halation THE WAR is stuck in my head, and Ikenai Borderline is goddamn fantastic in my opinion.
See above? That's actual discussion. Not just "THIS IS SHIT BECAUSE REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE".
You complained about a hugbox earlier. Well, what you want is the exact opposite of a hugbox: A hatebox, where no one can say anything nice about something without being labeled a retard with shit taste. Once people started saying "HE LIKES 7, HIS OPINION CAN BE DISCARDED!" is around about when the thread went to shit. When you try to shut down discussion like that because someone likes something you don't like, you castrate the thread. Yeah, I like 7. You gonna actually refute me, or just call me a retard and say I have shit taste again? You wanna actually talk about Macross, or just circlejerk about how much you hate Delta?
>Music as brainwashing is pretty interesting if you ask me
It was interesting in Plus especially because of the imagery and the musical styling made it very creepy. Here it is just so nothing, especially cause it was generic evil sounding la las that got them going
Isn't it similar to what happened in Zero? It's been a while since I watched Zero, so I don't quite remember what happened near the end. The Song of the Wind or something like that.
>In fact none of the animation impressed me at all.
Not even Freyja's facial expressions? Shit was so loose.
>I think it's too early to judge the characters.
PVs are meant to hook
>I like Freyja quite a lot. She seems to combine personality aspects from both Sheryl and Ranka.
What eactly do you find interesting. She seem just like a generic genki small girl in every other show
>I think the magical girl element is around about as strong as the magical boy element was in 7
Magical boy isn't a genre anon. Basically you are saying it is the same power level but it is the execution which counts and this is looking to be a very trope magical girl thing we see everywhere
>There was an entire segment of the episode dedicated to VF combat, including dogfighting between ten VFs total.
A much smaller segment and as you agree it wasn't that great.
>appeared multiple times before in the franchise, including in Plus and Zero
And done more interesting there as I said >>13712093
>Gotta disagree entirely about the music
They were very generic and feel like they could have been thrown into any show
I don't remember zero well either. Plus did the whole thing so well though
Nope, you see that shit in every show. It's like tehy are trying to get reaction images
>PVs are meant to hook
Well, I'm certainly gonna watch the second episode.
>What eactly do you find interesting. She seem just like a generic genki small girl in every other show
She has that same unrelenting determination that Sheryl had. I liked Sheryl.
>Magical boy isn't a genre anon. Basically you are saying it is the same power level but it is the execution which counts and this is looking to be a very trope magical girl thing we see everywhere
It was talked about earlier in the thread but, I really don't see how Delta's Walkure is that much different than 7's Sound Force. Both use magic music to fight monsters. Delta already has more songs in its first episode than 7 did in like, the first five episodes. So that's a big plus for me.
>A much smaller segment and as you agree it wasn't that great.
I liked the choreography of it, and the Sv-262's superpack/ghosts were really fun, especially seeing them use them to fly backwards while firing. Oh, and it was quite long as >>13712133 said.
>And done more interesting there as I said
I think the Zentradi have lost a lot of their luster as an antagonistic force over the course of the Macross franchise. Even Plus tried to establish that Guld's Zentran nature meant that he's a big unhinged. Delta is trying to bring that back, albeit in a somewhat clumsy nature. Rather than build fear towards the Zentradi, it seems more like it'll just be SPACE RACISM. Still, they work well as a secondary antagonistic force in the story, behind the Windermerians.
>They were very generic and feel like they could have been thrown into any show
Most idol shows don't have such a bias towards deep-voiced singing like this. I find it refreshing.
>Well, I'm certainly gonna watch the second episode
Then tell me what exactly hooked you. What elements were fresh and/or very well done
>She has that same unrelenting determination
Again, the little genki girl having a big dream and wanting to go all out isn't exactly something new or done in some special way here
> I really don't see how Delta's Walkure is that much different than 7's Sound Force
Execution, it really is that simple anon and I can see you've been told that 100 times now.
>I liked the choreography of it,
What about it made it good to you. It really wasn't that long and you can't deny where the episode put it's focus
> Delta is trying to bring that back, albeit in a somewhat clumsy nature
And there you go, it is just bringing something back but not that well. Plus did it without having to beat you over the head with it, even showed racism in Guld's little trial thing he had. Plus the whole bit where it showed where the evil music was coming from up some stairs made it seem like a sailor moon villain and I just laughed. It was dumb but not in a fun way just a oh you are that lazy way
>Most idol shows don't have such a bias towards deep-voiced singing like this.
I don't agrre but that is only really the lead and the songs themselves are still very generic sounding pop that I could see anywhere. To take a look at Plus again as it also did the mind stuff Sharon was giving a very odd music style that if you sit back and listen to really feels like it is getting into your brain. The styling has a purpose. 7 has Basara use rock as he is such a bombastic person. Delta only fits in an ironic way as they use very standard pop cause everything else is cookie cutter as well
>Execution, it really is that simple anon and I can see you've been told that 100 times now.
Right and Delta's execution is already better than 7's since the singers actually do something other than sing.
>What about it made it good to you. It really wasn't that long and you can't deny where the episode put it's focus
Not him but the choreography was good. It reminded me of the Frontier movies which had the best dogfighting action in the franchise. To me anyway.
>Again, the little genki girl having a big dream and wanting to go all out isn't exactly something new or done in some special way here
She's very energetic and determined for main Macross female lead and that makes her stand out from the rest. She's like a mix of Mao and Sheryl. Hayate is also interesting and different for a male lead just because he's the first Macross protagonist to not be passionate about anything. Everyone had a passion for flying, Basara had a passion for music, but Hayate doesn't seem to care about anything. It'll be interesting to see how he develops as a character.
It isn't doing something but how that is done. It seems to just be playing the standard magical girl tropes we have all see a lot and doing it so straight (for a few at all) is not what they are looking for
>Not him but the choreography was good
What did you like about it? I found the CG a huge downgrade
>very energetic and determined for main Macross female lead and that makes her stand out from the rest.
Doesn't make her stand out from all those energetic and determiner anime girls we see in everything. What really stood out that made her an interesting character
>to not be passionate about anything
What do you find interesting about this. It just made him very dull and complain a lot which I found grating. It also isn't exactly new for mecha for the pilot not to care about doing the robot but then he learns to robot.
>It isn't doing something but how that is done. It seems to just be playing the standard magical girl tropes we have all see a lot and doing it so straight (for a few at all) is not what they are looking for
I never watched a magical girl show so tell me what the Walkure do that's considered standard.
>What did you like about it? I found the CG a huge downgrade
Yeah, the CG looked about Frontier TV quality but the choreography was just good. My favorite part is after Messer avoids that missile swarm and flies through the smoke explosion in high speed mode.
>Doesn't make her stand out from all those energetic and determiner anime girls we see in everything. What really stood out that made her an interesting character
I already told you what I found interesting about her. She's different from previous Macross girls.
>What do you find interesting about this. It just made him very dull and complain a lot which I found grating. It also isn't exactly new for mecha for the pilot not to care about doing the robot but then he learns to robot.
Same thing. He's different.
Not that anon, but "Different" doesn't automatically mean "good."
Hayate just came across as an annoying little snot, and I'm sure he's going to be some kind of aloof prodigy of VF flying that's going to get a whole arc dedicated to him finding a reason to give a fuck or some shit.
Seems like there will be an advance screening episodes 1 & 2 this March in Japanese theaters.
>Showing peace signs with the back of the hand facing forward
Isn't that kinda like flipping people off in some European countries? Or at least it was during Shakespeare's times/renaissance or something?
That artstyle is fucking horrid. I usually don't mind the usual trashy seasonal anime aesthetic, but it's not the sort of stuff I come to Macross for. but even so the girls faces are off-putting for some reason even by anime standards.
I'll stay on board but I'm not optimistic for a good show compared to Frontier.