Something strange here...

>>13699189
Did you watch the preview episode?

You'll notice there are also 5 idols.

>There are five idols in your picture when there were only four in the episode

Okay now anon, use your thoughts.

I'm watching the first episode right now, and all I can think to myself is how far off note it is from the original series, and how we'll never get to see anything as good / on the same note in the Macross franchise again. (Seeing as how Idols have invaded literally everything in japanese culture). At least in Macross Frontier the whole idol thing was reasonably done / resonated with the love triangle from the original show. Now it may as well be M@CROSSMASTER.

Faaaaaaaaiiiil.

So, 5 idols, 5 Valkyrie and 5 enemy Valkyries makes how many love triangles?

Faaaaaaiiiiiil.

>>13699222
>>13699233
Please go back to animesuki or whatever shit hole you came from.

>>13699199
"Thoughts"
http://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1451736041363.webm

>>13699233

I...uh...what...I think you missed the bigger point which is that Macross shouldn't be a fucking idol simulator. Having now finished the episode I'll admit it's more intriguing than the concept sounds on paper, but I think a harder macross series would be cool to see, as we really haven't had a Macross in that theme set since what...plus?

>>13699237
I'm so sorry to have hurt your imaginary girlfriends feelings. Fag.

>>13699222
Jesus christ look at this dumb faggot.
I'm glad you won't watch it with me you fucking cancer.

>>13699222
>on the same note in the Macross franchise again

Well since of the full TV series the only one on that note was SDF i don't know what you were expecting.

>>13699189
>only the PREVIEW episode has aired
>people are having problems understanding it already

>>13699625
If you want to talk to people who actually pay attention to the things they watch or read you don't come to 4chan.

>>13699629
Then where do I come? /m/ is only relatively good place to talk about mecha, other sites are just filled with cancer

>>13699740
just be real particular about the threads you contribute to. In general, if it focuses more on the mechs themselves, you should be safe

>>13699243

Plus is the only harder Macross there is, and an outlier within the franchise since it had little humor or absurdity. SDF might not have as much as 7 or Delta, but it has a good bit of it's own. And you should have known this since at least Zero frankly, since it's the only thing even close to Plus in the franchise in terms of tone and even that was run through with a lot of hippie oddness.

>>13699740
Animesuki or Reddit.

Can't be an as anonymous there as here though, so suck it up and lurk their forums for interesting discussion and discuss them here.

>>13699740
There's nowhere good to discuss anime on the internet, choose the one you hate the least.

>>13699896
>Animesuki or Reddit.
Yeah no

>>13699900
So /m/

>>13699896

maybe you should go back to those places and leave here.

Do you guys think Mikumo could be a Protodevlin? A lot of her stunts would be explained by that since not even cyborgs can do the shit she is doing in Macross as of yet.

Her whole flying at the Zentradi to sing at him was very reminiscent of Sivil trying to get spiritia from various valk pilots. And she wasn't thrown around by the explosions or seemed to be affected by the environment in the same way the other idols were. Hanging off a VF wouldn't be a big deal for her if she was in fact a proto devlin either. The red eyes with the fangs she has in one of the webms could be another sign potentially.

>>13699979
only 7 protodeviln were made, right? they were superweapons

>>13700054
It's been years since I watched Macross Seven but couldn't they breed and have kids?

>>13699979
That's not a bad notion. My only thought is that means she would probably be sidelined early for dramatic purposes because of how OP Protodevlin can be.

>>13700064
I have no idea what you're talking about. I don't think reproduction was something the protoculture intended the protodeviln to have..

>>13700067
Didn't Sivil cause Zentradi to be aggressive and angry just by looking at her?

>>13700054
protodeviln may not be the best term, but what if another extra-dimensional being form the same universe as the protodeviln came through to our universe (maybe even as the result of modern versions of the same experimentation). Only this time, we were ready for her and were ready to Basara her into compliance.

>>13700075
maybe you just hit on what VARS syndrom is.

As someone who's never watched an episode of Macross:
The premise of this one is utterly ridiculous but pretty fun.
The first song is as generic as they get, the second song is spectacular.
The CG is used decently but the textures are subpar.
Going to stick in for the ride, but god do I expect a lot of shitposting for this show.

>>13700092
>Macross

ALWAYS expect shitposting, it's been Junior Gundam since day one.

>>13700075
Oh shit. Damn I forgot about that.

Delta bringing back the Sound Force in the form of Walkure and Mikumo being a protodeviln or something else would fit though if this is meant to bring back all the content introduced in 7.

>>13700084
Let's make it clear, the Protodeviln were superweapons created by the Protoculture to fight and maybe control the Zentradi. The extra-dimensional things that took over the protodeviln are more or less demon-like spirits that can inhabit bodies and feed off the spiritia of living beings.

>>13700086
She and the rest of Walkure are having the exact opposite effect on them though, and let's not forget that VARS also seems to affect humans.

>>13700117
I fully expect "good" protodeviln or what-have-you can control the effect they have on other beings. Everything we saw in 7 was the result of them not acclimating to our world very well, hence vampirism and megalomania. In the post-"anima spiritia" galaxy, they wouldn't be any more scary than Zentraedi were after they assimilated.

>>13699900
and that's why I'm on /m/

>>13700054
There are 7 Protodevlin but there are several more Evil Series.

Natter-Valgo which was created to combine with Gavil and Gravil was never seen again after The Galaxy is Calling Me. It wasn't destroyed in the movie.

In Macross Dynamite 7 Col. Burton and his co-conspirator Dr. Sazapi, Mylene's manager, was able to create an Evil Series that looks like a multi-eyed dragon that left Macross 7 fleet after its duet with Mylene.

Macross 30 has Yurva Arga the only Evil Series that wasn't possessed by the Protodevlin during the Protoculture era. It was hidden and sealed on Planet Ouroboros as this Evil Series is too dangerous to be ever used and keep it away from the Protodevlin. Yurva Arga has the power to manipulate time itself. Ushio Todo, a Zentradi with a massive guilt complex and pro-Earth leanings, intended to use its power to prevent the Rain of Death from ever happening.

>>13700136
But as seen in Macross FB7 upon making a visit on Macross Frontier Gavil still has the effect of making Zentradi berserk without intending to. Meaning it is a reaction the Protoculture programmed into the Zentradi. In Macross Plus during Guld's inquiry it is mentioned full blood Zentradi can has aggression issues.

>>13700109

there being a jenius in this would make a lot more sense

>>13700748
Mikumo, if she is a "protodeviln", isn't necessarily one of the original Protoculture-designed ones, meaning all bets are off as to her capabilities.

>>13699222
Go back to Robotech.

>>13699222
Past SDF and Plus (and I guess Zero), Macross has always been the defining example of popular genre appropriation. I don't know what you were expecting; Kawamori's never been a talented trendsetter or an original director in the slightest. Even SDF's best story aspects were a result of ishiguro and the rest of the staff.

I'm not making excuses for Delta either; Macross is a trashy franchise with an even trashier fanbase. Much as I hate Robotech, I can't fault it's fanbase for nearly as much shit taste as Macrossfags.

So, are the pilots fucking their idols?

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>the good
>the 8 minutes of VF
>the bad
>everything else

>>13699189

im pretty sure that purple haired bitch is an ayy

>>13700945
surely at least one or two pairs. If none I will be disappoint.

Green and pink will be the lesbians, Hayate will be in a love triangle with Mirage and that one girl he was protecting.

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>>13700967
Welcome to modern macross, enjoy your idol trash

>>13701120
>modern macross
>idol shit
why newshits insist that macross wasn't idol shit from the beginning?

>>13700945
Supposedly red and one of the male pilots.

Tits is supposedly also a mechanic who is turned on by mechs.

It would be hilarious but great if green was also fucking one of the male pilots, but continues to act all calm and collected until she's called out on it.

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>>13700896
>Macross is a trashy franchise with an even trashier fanbase.
This. If the hotheaded legal Loli/Fiesty Giantess double waifu wasn't a sign of coming dark times, then I don't know what is.

>>13701188
>It would be hilarious but great if green was also fucking one of the male pilots, but continues to act all calm and collected even while she's fucking.

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>>13701149
It was tasteful idol shit with great art direction.

>>13701213

>he only watched DYRL
>he never watched SDF
>he doesn't remember that the first fucking song in SDF and DYRL constantly refrains to Minmei going "KYUN KYUN"

Not defending this trash btw, or Frontier for that matter. Just saying, please don't try to talk about shit you haven't even watched.

>>13701188
Green is fucking Yellow. They were together when they were doing recon from orbit.

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>>13701232
Fuck you, My Boyfriend is a Pilot was really catchy. Even Ranka couldn't ruin that shit.

>>13701251

It's a nice song. I'm just saying that it's also literally got an idol catchphrase in it, and is an idol type song, and that Macross has always been about idols, it's just way more obnoxious in the more recent iterations.

>>13701240
Confirmed? If so, that's nice that we can get green out of the way.

Now if only Freyja ends up choosing to be a Windmere songstress while Mirage wins the MC bowl and Mikumo fucks the Delta squad's veteran ace.

>>13701213
Nice backpedaling newshit

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>>13701346
Where did you get the idea that he didn't watch SDF from that post?

Just curious, because that's quite a broad extrapolation from a simple gif.

>>13701240
He asked her out and she totally shut him down

>>13699189
I wish i had the amazing ability to watch and enjoy garbage like this, unfortunately i was born with a genetic pre-disposition called "not having shit taste"

Musics s'alright
Marcoss plus, Original and DYRL remain the only worthwhile entries.

>>13701370
I didn't mention SDF at all, he said modern macross is idol shit, I said it has always been idol shit, then he says it was -good- idol shit.
That's backpedaling at it's finest.

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>>13701372
I'm sure you'd know all about getting shut down by chicks.

>>13699979
>Do you guys think Mikumo could be a Protodevlin?
I thought so too, but there is the distinct lack of pointy ears.

>>13699979
Its probably her clothes someone mentioned that their skirts contain a boomerang of some sort for self defense.

>>13699189
I'm not really feeling the new music.

>>13701561
>doesn't have Ikenai Borderline on repeat

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>>13701407
Actually my reply was for >>13701232. That's what I get for posting in a phone.

I entirely agree with im though. Mari Iijima's voice managed to bring me to tears once. Can't say the same for any other entry's token idol.

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>>13701528
Their skirts have thrusters built into them and they have some kind of sensor/devices on their fingernails for commanding the droids. They don't seem to have any powers besides the abilities their suits provides.

>>13701588
The quality of a Macross show is another discussion, the fact is that Macross has always been idol shit, and newshits try to deny this saying idols ruined muhcross

>>13701600
It just doesn't make any sense. When your race was saved from extinction by a singing idol that cultured a bunch of aliens then having more idols appear in sequels is only natural. Singing and idols have been part of Macross for nearly 30 years now, having a military team of idols is not "ruining" Macross.

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>>13701600
Nobody said idols ruined macross. Modern Japanese idol culture and Kawamori's shit taste and poor direction ruined Macross. He knows how to put on a pretty show, but he's a lot more flash than substance these days (much like modern idol culture, come to think of it.)

He's starting to wilt in the mechanical design department too, if the YF-30 and VF-31 are any indication.

>>13701611
>Singing and idols have been part of Macross for nearly 30 years now, having a military team of idols is not "ruining" Macross.
Don't tell me that, tell it to newshits like >>13701120

>>13701640
>Nobody said idols ruined macross
Newshits still do

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>>13701651
They're not really wrong, but I just don't think they're making their point very well and oversimplifying the problem to "lolidolshit". Idols themselves didn't ruin Macross so much as the cultural trends associated with them. Macross has always been a reflection of culture at the time, and with the downward spiral Japanese culture has been in during recent years, it was only a matter of time before Macross became just as souless as it's societal muse.

>>13701651
It's funny how the "idol shit" like Frontier, 7, and SDF were huge success in Japan and the more miltary-ish sequels like Plus and Zero weren't very successful in Japan. That's because Japan knows what to expect from Macross and it's just the western fanbase that has this ill-perceived notion that Macross was always this gritty war drama or something.

Anyway I think anyone hating calling Delta garbage after only seeing eighty percent of the first fucking episode needs to fuck right off. The show isn't even close to completion and they aren't giving it a chance, especially when the writers said during that fanclub even that each episode will have a tonal shift from the previous episode. So if you like more Valkyrie action and bloodshed then you'll probably get episodes focused around that.

This isn't like 7 where the enemy is solely defeated by music. Singing also quells the Var syndrome, it can't do shit against the Aerial Knights.

>>13701673
>was only a matter of time before Macross became just as souless as it's societal muse.
*tips fedora*
Excellent post, friend.

>>13701685
>This isn't like 7 where the enemy is solely defeated by music. Singing also quells the Var syndrome, it can't do shit against the Aerial Knights.
That "also" was supposed to be "only. We even see in the first episode the droids can't attack the zentradi mecha, they can only form barriers to protect civilians. If the idols could destroy VFs on their own with those things then yeah I'd have a problem with that but they clearly stress in the first episode that they need the VFs to disarm the enemy mechs first for the most part. Mikumo's charge at that one zentran is just her being a badass.

>>13701640
>He's starting to wilt in the mechanical design department too, if the YF-30 and VF-31 are any indication.
The YF-30 and VF-31 are just fine. The culmination of the weapon pod was something I was looking forward to since Macross 30 was released.

>>13701685
Macross, and indeed all anime is made with Japan in mind. Plenty of shows have been cancelled that got good ratings outside Japan.

And besides you can't even watch Macross legally as a foreigner (excluding importing).

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>>13701685
>Zero weren't very successful in Japan.
Plus did pretty well internationally, but that probably had more to do with Watanabe's unique, internationally marketable approach to storytelling combined with Kawamori's god-tier mechanical design

I don't know WHAT the fuck Kawamori was thinking with Zero. I guess he was trying to.emulate the modern wartime feel of the 2000s with earlier versions of Macross shit with some alien mumbo jumbo thrown in somewhere, but that just resulted in everything being far less notable outside the new CGI animation. Even the Phoenix was just a less cool VF-1.

>>13701780
>Even the Phoenix was just a less cool VF-1.
Speak for yourself, I love the VF-0 design and this is coming from someone that doesn't really like the VF-1 that much.

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>>13701780
>Even the Phoenix was just a less cool VF-1.
Take that back, the VF-0D is one of the sexiest variable fighters there is.

>>13701640
Idol culture isn't just ruining Japan. Every little girl wants to grow up as a talentless whore like Kardashian.

Let's not pretend any country is safe. Just going to YT shows you the human race is doomed. Fucking e-celebs.

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>>13701790
Oh Iike it, too, but something about the VF-1 just feels so "right" and the VF-0 feels like an attempt to improve on perfection.

>>13701810
Japan is way more cynical about it. It's not like the otakus/wotas actually think their waifus love them, they want to pretend they're on a virtual relationship with the waifu and they demand the industry to fuel their delusions. Things like music or plot become irrelevant and even sometimes they can be an obstacle so they must be discarded

>>13701816
If anything the VF-0 improves on the VF-1 design, especially with the way the legs attach.

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>>13701858
Well at least Japanese idols can sing and dance, I'll give them that.

For me Frontier was just a bit of fun, watching a show with lots of pink and cute girls is nice once in a while. So I'm cautiously optimistic for this show.

>>13701920
>Japanese idols
>can sing and dance
>>>/jp/

>>13701929
Idols are /m/ though. There's an even an all robot singing idol group. Lurk more, newfag.

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>>13701936
>Idols are /m/ though
some actually are

>>13701685
>Plus wasn't very successful
For an OVA, it did just fine, and it's the only Macross aside from SDF that achieved any success overseas. What are you talking about?

>>13701978
>and it's the only Macross aside from SDF that achieved any success overseas.
By default

>>13702022
>By default
II was released in the US ya know.

>>13701978
>and it's the only Macross aside from SDF that achieved any success overseas.
When the only other series brought over was 2 and SDF that's not very impressive. And I'm talking about popularity and merchandise. Macross 7 had tons of toys, music CDs, clothing etc and is mentioned/referenced quite a bit in japanese pop culture while Plus is the complete opposite. The YF-19 and YF-21 are popular with fans but the actual show isn't.

>>13701978
>SDF
>success overseas

The ADV release did poorly.

>>13702059
>Macross 7 had tons of toys, music CDs, clothing etc and is mentioned/referenced quite a bit in japanese pop culture
Cool bullshit bro, barely anyone remembers it like damn near every early 90s anime not named Gundam or Eva.

>>13702057
That's what I meant. It's the only one besides SDF and 2 released internationally and not the dozens of other OVAs and series and shit

>>13701269
you do know "kyun" is the onomatopoeia for "zoom", right? The sound jets makes when the fly by?

>>13701800
werd

>>13701685
>This isn't like 7 where the enemy is solely defeated by music

You do realize its not the music that ultimately defeats the protodevlin? It was the vehicle yes but Its the emotion and shear force of will that Basara has (and why the parrots call him autistic) that ultimately defeats them that's what anima spiritia is.

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>>13702085
Yeah, it's not popular at all bro. That's why it got 4 bonus episodes, a movie, and an OVA sequel because it's obscure and unpopular right bro? Totally not referenced ever in anything too bro.

>>13702189
Not entirely true. They did drive Gavil back with Basara's singing. Just look at that episode where they sing Holy Lonely Light for the first time. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAc9X-F_j9U

>>13702203
>That's why it got 4 bonus episodes, a movie, and an OVA sequel
All sold like shit. Even Gundam AGE had a movie.

>>13702220
>Even Gundam AGE had a movie.
That was the second season made into a movie. Barely counts.

>>13702243
And the Galaxy is Calling Me was just extended TV episode.

>>13702324
Which was released the same year as 7's TV air date, not 3 years later like AGE's movie...

>>13702354
Though they're obviously the main triangle it might not be that simple since Kawamori intends to break away from the molds we're all accustomed with Macross in Delta.

>>13702424
Maybe this time we will get a quad?

What if Mikimo is also part of it?

>>13702443
I don't think it'll be a quad. The broken triangle theme of Delta doesn't imply that.

>>13702443
>>13702452
Its possible in might be unrequited love for both females protagonists.

>>13702464
The sky wins again

>>13702354
>>13702424
>>13702443
>>13702452
>>13702464
Guys
Guys listen
What if
What if it ends up

As a threesome?

>>13702354
>>13702452
>>13702464
Here's your broken triangle. It's like 7 all over again.

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>>13702491
forgot pic

>>13702472
Maybe its more of the ground since Hayate seems a better pilot in destroids/battroids than aircraft.

>>13702491
>>13702499
Or both girls like Hayate but doesn't give a fuck about them or puts them both in friendzone.

>>13701120
>Welcome to unaltered Macross, Robotech scum: Enjoy your Idols.

fixed it for yah.

>>13702220
>Gundam AGE had a movie
It did not as it was just 2 OVAs with 30 mins of new animations.

>>13702499
Seems about right. Who could ever love such a cunt.

>>13701673
Personally I enjoy fun.

>>13699222
>idols have invaded macross


Minmay was fucking otaku pandering moe bait for her time period you underage b&. The series has always had music reflecting the time it was made. Akb style girl groups are big, macross features heavy use of pop music. It makes sense. Fuck off back to mahq

>>13701920
>Japanese idols can sing

Not all of them.

>>13701942
Key the Metal Idol was a great fucking show.

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>>13702579
Seriously, I've been told a million times every time I express my distaste for Macross's obnoxious modern approach to idols to go watch Robotech or I get accused of being a Robofag. Why? Beyond that it's Americanized Macross, I have no idea what the deal with Robotech is since I wasn't around for it, someone please explain it to me. I know they changed Hikaru's whole name yet only Max's last name for some odd reason

>>13702761
>Beyond that it's Americanized Macross, I have no idea what the deal with Robotech is since

It's not just Macross. It's a mash-up of Macross, Southern Cross. and Mospeda. The first season is mostly Macross, a lot of it is similar but some major plot points like Protoculture are changed (protoculture is some macguffin energy source rather than an ancient society.) It's pretty much complete shit, especially the completely original stuff.

People are associating you with it because they feel like you're acting as if Idols shouldn't be expected in Macross.

>>13702761
>People are associating you with it because they feel like you're acting as if Idols shouldn't be expected in Macross.
This. Robotech really doesn't have any emphasis on singing like the Macross sequels so he should just watch those if he wants something else.

GIRI GIRI AAAAI, IKENAI BODARAAAAAAIN

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>>13701780
It's alright, but I much prefer the VF-0C. Either way, delta wings on the VF-0 frame kind of make me wish they did something similar with the VF-1.

>>13702735
>Minmay was fucking otaku pandering moe bait
Pop culture in Japan back in the 80s was just starting to get huge with the idol craze, and Minmay was more of an average starry-eyed average teenage girl. Calling her moe bait is selling her extremely short; she was both a reflection of her generation and of idol culture at the time, and not always the good aspects of either. That made her an interesting character; she was sometimes petty, flawed, and her idol lifestyle made her occasionally difficult to deal with.

>Akb style girl groups are big, macross features heavy use of pop music. It makes sense.
I keep seeing people put this bit of information there, like it somehow makes it not shit. There are a lot of things about modern pop culture that are perversions of past influences, both Japanese and otherwise. Watching Macross glorify modern Japanese idol groups (which is extremely creepy from a lot of angles) the way Delta seems like it is going to is like watching MTV glorify the Kardashians and the Jersey Shore gang. For all it's flaws, Frontier's use of musical idols was still on-the-level and believable for the Macross universe. I felt it didn't complement the show quite as beautifully as SDF or DYRL, but I never found myself sucked out of the moment by a clumsy clash of genres, and the idol aspect never felt out of place or jarring. Yoko Kanno's talent probably helped a lot with some of the songs, too. Delta, on the other hand, tries to blend AKB style music/magical girl shenanigans with VF fighting and it definitely doesn't do the show any favors. Hopefully future episodes handle it a lot more gracefully, now that the 1st episode caught everyone's attention.

Besides, Korean Pop groups > Japanese Idol groups. I like it when pop stars can actually -sing-.

>>13702840

Are there still no rips of the itune release out for the song?

>>13702890
No. Minmay was otaku bait. Get over it. Macross was always weird and stupid.

>>13702957
And I love it when it's weird and stupid. To an extent. Zero has no traditional idols and was mostly military action and it's my least favorite Macross by far.

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>>13702735
>minmay
>otaku pandering
Get a load of this faggot.

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>>13703084
Why else have an idol in anime? It's pandering.

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>>13702913
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgS_AZSxS0w

>>13701193
You talking shit about the legal loli fiesty giantess m8?

Freyja Wion
A 14-year-old girl, born on the remote frontier of the galaxy, who yearns to be in the tactical sound unit Walküre.

Mikumo Guynemer
The vocalist of the tactical sound unit Walküre. A mysterious girl, of unknown age, whose history and private life are all shrouded in enigma.

Kaname Buccaneer
22-year-old leader of the tactical sound unit Walküre. She serves as the "big sister" of the team.

Makina Nakajima
An 18-year-old member of the tactical sound unit Walküre and a girl who appears to be a bit flighty. She serves as the mechanic.

Reina Prowler
A 15-year-old member of the tactical sound unit Walküre. She hardly talks or displays her emotions. She is also an ace hacker.

>>13703084
I can't think of a single reason to have cute idols in an anime unless it was to pander to otaku. Especially considering how popular she got.

>>13701270
But ace is with Kaname(red).

>>13703443
Keith Aero Windermere
19 years old. An ace pilot in the Kingdom of Wind's Valkyrie team Aerial Knights. He possesses a high sense of chivalry and stays aloof.

Roid Brehm
20 years old. Commander of the Kingdom of Wind's Aerial Knights. Has a very loose bearing, but still possesses great intelligence. He seems to have some fixation over his glasses.

Theo Jussila
16 years old. A pilot in the Kingdom of Wind's Aerial Knights, alongside his younger twin brother Xao.

Xao Jussila
16 years old. A pilot in the Kingdom of Wind's Aerial Knights. Compared to his twin brother Theo, Xao is more prone to fighting.

Bogue Con-Vaart
15 years old. A pilot in the Kingdom of Wind's Aerial Knights. Mischievous in childhood, and grew up as the youngest child, surrounded by his older sisters.

>>13703084
Where is this from?

>>13703866
Hayate Immelmann
17 years old. A blunt young man who says what he's thinking. He's traveled the Milky Way.

Mirage Farina Jenius
18 years old. The only woman on the Delta Team. On the one hand she takes pride in her duties as a pilot, but on the other she is serious and inflexible. She shares the same family name with Max from the first Macross series, and the same middle name from Millia from the first series. Max and Millia had seven daughters with similar names.

Chuck Mustang
24 years old. The mood maker of the Delta Team. He's easily entertained, and no one is quicker to flirt with the ladies.

Messer Ihlefeld
21 years old. The ace pilot of the Delta Team. He's a professional who doesn't show much emotion, and is always the most calm and collected.

Arad Mölders
33 years old. The leader of the Delta Team who can be both tolerant and strict. He can also be a reliable older-brother type.

Ernest Johnson
40 years old. Half Zentradi, half earthling captain of a Macross class-ship. He's easily taller than two meters.

>yfw Minmei practically invented idolshit
Look, just cause it's been there doesn't mean what she was and what idolshit is now are the same.
>>13701269
>it's also literally got an idol catchphrase in it
and why do you think that is, familia?

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>>13701942
Pretty much

>>13703892
As long as the singing serves a direct purpose in the actual show, which it does, I'm not sure what the so-called difference is

>>13703946
Good point.

I think there's a significant difference in presentation between Minmay and the current crop, as for how that factors into the story, well it's too early to bitch about.

>>13703892
>Look, just cause it's been there doesn't mean what she was and what idolshit is now are the same.

>They're different because I'm a blind nostalgiafag and I just want them to be different, ok!?

>>13703969
>too early to bitch about

paging Drs. Cox and Dorian, you're needed in the directory...

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>>13703454
Idols aren't exclusively an otaku thing. Believe it or not, sometimes they're about the music, dancing, and sex appeal.

Idol anime or idol centric anime, on the other hand, have a much larger otaku connotation. Idols always played a role in Macross but lately the role their music has in the plot is becoming less and less gracefully and sensibly integrated into the setting and is moving more and more into generic anime superpower/pseudo-magic territory, mostly starting with 7. I guess that's great for magical girl/idol fans, but for people that got into Macross for science fiction element alongside the clever and meaningful role music had ib the Universe it can understandably be a turn off.

Take a wild guess which side a good portion of /m/ belongs to. So yeah, this show will likely be shitposted to hell and back, and while I'm personally not really put off by Walkiure, I'm not going to fault them for being salty about Macross's most recent direction.

>>13704251
>Idols always played a role in Macross but lately the role their music has in the plot is becoming less and less gracefully and sensibly integrated into the setting and is moving more and more into generic anime superpower/pseudo-magic territory, mostly starting with 7.
You just summed up my main issue with Macross pretty well. It isn't necessarily the idols so much as the blending of genre tropes that don't seem to have much thought put into how it's going to work. Macross 7 was especially guilty of this with it's DBZ powerup imagery. If Basara wasn't such an entertaining character that put out some good riffs I probably would never have finished series. I haven't even bothered with the OVA yet.

>>13704338
>I haven't even bothered with the OVA yet.
You're missing easily the best parts of the show.

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>>13702890
>Besides, Korean Pop groups > Japanese Idol groups.
Mein neger

>>13704338
You fucking nigger, 7 is shit but the OVAs are 10/10

>>13704251
>the role their music has in the plot is becoming less and less gracefully and sensibly integrated into the setting and is moving more and more into generic anime superpower/pseudo-magic territory
This. Sure it is a bit silly in every instalment (just like giant robots that transform into planes are) but people mix of having a similar feature as being the same when execution matters a lot. It isn't even just what power the music gives but all the stuff around it

It is very easy to do it badly and just make it feel like a cheap plot power cause they needed to have it

I didn't care for the first episode but I also wouldn't call it straight up bad, just very by the numbers.

The characters just fell completely flat with me, especially the girls who just feel set up as waifu bait in different flavours. Do you want happy go lucky (but is also a massive tech nerd XD) or the uncaring one? The general premise is fine and it looked nice but the execution of everything else was just so nothing. Didn't like the music but I dislike modern J-pop in general

>>13704689
it's a bad idea to throw so many characters at the audience at one time so early, but I think haremshit has made this approach unavoidable when you've got a bouquet of moes to market ASAP.

>>13704920
>>13704689
I personally couldn't feel the music this time around.

>>13705000
Borderline though

>>13705109
Borderline what? You mean you are on the fence on whether you like it or not?

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>>13705117
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgS_AZSxS0w
The song Borderline. I'm saying it was a good song.

>>13705117
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RevRXCfMzBk

>>13704920
It isn't that it is throwing so many characters, more they all seem very generic and predictable. Doesn't help I found none of them interesting or that likeable, they seem more aimed at an /a/ crowd

>>13705000
At the end when it almost seem to start up a ska song I was ready but just nope. Macross with a ska band when?

>>13705140
but that's a direct result of them all showing up practically simultaneously, without any time to develop their personalities for the audience as individuals.

>>13705156
>without any time to develop their personalities for the audience as individuals.
Cause they likely won't have them outside a basic trope and won't be very deep

>>13704251
>for people that got into Macross for science fiction element alongside the clever and meaningful role music had ib the Universe it can understandably be a turn off
That's exactly what I watch Macross for, and I've enjoyed the recent entries for that exact reason.

And AKB0048, which Delta is pulling a lot of notes from, did an absolutely fantastic job on the world-building end of things, especially with regard to how music was integrated into the universe. So I'm not too worried about Delta yet.

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>>13705134
I am incredibly ambivalent towards this.

I found a few songs in Frontier quite catchy and the rest at least listenable, even though I normally find Jpop rather bland in comparison to other pop genres. Now I'm starting to wonder if Yoko Kanno was the magic that made Frontier's music so good, because Borderline isn't nearly as fun to listen to. Maybe a few other songs will be better, but just like with the rest of this show, I'm not getting my hopes up...

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>mfw my girlfriend recently got me ro watch RWBY with her up till the latest episode, and I wasn't nearly as disgusted as I was when I watch that preview episode.

What the fuck is happening to Macross?

Frontier's first episode was pretty great, a good tone setter with a simple, yet good premise. Now they're trying to blend in magical girls and Sentai VFs with the most uninspired sounding Jpop I've heard in a years? It's like it's trying WAY too hard to mash together genres and the whole thing just feels tacky.

>>13705981
Yeah, didn't like the music too much overall (Borderline was fine at best) nowhere near Diamond Crevasse, Iteza, Obelisk, Lion and others

>>13706016
>mfw my girlfriend recently got me ro watch RWBY
Stopped reading right there

>>13706040
>Stopped reading

hid and reported

>>13699625
this really. i mean how stupid can you be seriously?

>>13706016
>I didn't watch 0048
>I didn't watch 7

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>>13706016
>my girlfriend
>RWBY

>>13699222
>At least in Macross Frontier the whole idol thing was reasonably done
The idol centrism is literally what made Frontier unbearable.

Is the preview special got subs yet?

Where can i find it online ?

>>13708755
http://www.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=770987
meme subs but has interview with Kawa