I saw the first episode. And I counted up to 4 valkyries in Delta Squad.
But now this picture shows a fifth valkyrie.
Was this an animation error or is this a spoiler?
I'm watching the first episode right now, and all I can think to myself is how far off note it is from the original series, and how we'll never get to see anything as good / on the same note in the Macross franchise again. (Seeing as how Idols have invaded literally everything in japanese culture). At least in Macross Frontier the whole idol thing was reasonably done / resonated with the love triangle from the original show. Now it may as well be M@CROSSMASTER.
I...uh...what...I think you missed the bigger point which is that Macross shouldn't be a fucking idol simulator. Having now finished the episode I'll admit it's more intriguing than the concept sounds on paper, but I think a harder macross series would be cool to see, as we really haven't had a Macross in that theme set since what...plus?
Plus is the only harder Macross there is, and an outlier within the franchise since it had little humor or absurdity. SDF might not have as much as 7 or Delta, but it has a good bit of it's own. And you should have known this since at least Zero frankly, since it's the only thing even close to Plus in the franchise in terms of tone and even that was run through with a lot of hippie oddness.
Do you guys think Mikumo could be a Protodevlin? A lot of her stunts would be explained by that since not even cyborgs can do the shit she is doing in Macross as of yet.
Her whole flying at the Zentradi to sing at him was very reminiscent of Sivil trying to get spiritia from various valk pilots. And she wasn't thrown around by the explosions or seemed to be affected by the environment in the same way the other idols were. Hanging off a VF wouldn't be a big deal for her if she was in fact a proto devlin either. The red eyes with the fangs she has in one of the webms could be another sign potentially.
protodeviln may not be the best term, but what if another extra-dimensional being form the same universe as the protodeviln came through to our universe (maybe even as the result of modern versions of the same experimentation). Only this time, we were ready for her and were ready to Basara her into compliance.
As someone who's never watched an episode of Macross:
The premise of this one is utterly ridiculous but pretty fun.
The first song is as generic as they get, the second song is spectacular.
The CG is used decently but the textures are subpar.
Going to stick in for the ride, but god do I expect a lot of shitposting for this show.
Oh shit. Damn I forgot about that.
Delta bringing back the Sound Force in the form of Walkure and Mikumo being a protodeviln or something else would fit though if this is meant to bring back all the content introduced in 7.
Let's make it clear, the Protodeviln were superweapons created by the Protoculture to fight and maybe control the Zentradi. The extra-dimensional things that took over the protodeviln are more or less demon-like spirits that can inhabit bodies and feed off the spiritia of living beings.
She and the rest of Walkure are having the exact opposite effect on them though, and let's not forget that VARS also seems to affect humans.
I fully expect "good" protodeviln or what-have-you can control the effect they have on other beings. Everything we saw in 7 was the result of them not acclimating to our world very well, hence vampirism and megalomania. In the post-"anima spiritia" galaxy, they wouldn't be any more scary than Zentraedi were after they assimilated.
There are 7 Protodevlin but there are several more Evil Series.
Natter-Valgo which was created to combine with Gavil and Gravil was never seen again after The Galaxy is Calling Me. It wasn't destroyed in the movie.
In Macross Dynamite 7 Col. Burton and his co-conspirator Dr. Sazapi, Mylene's manager, was able to create an Evil Series that looks like a multi-eyed dragon that left Macross 7 fleet after its duet with Mylene.
Macross 30 has Yurva Arga the only Evil Series that wasn't possessed by the Protodevlin during the Protoculture era. It was hidden and sealed on Planet Ouroboros as this Evil Series is too dangerous to be ever used and keep it away from the Protodevlin. Yurva Arga has the power to manipulate time itself. Ushio Todo, a Zentradi with a massive guilt complex and pro-Earth leanings, intended to use its power to prevent the Rain of Death from ever happening.
But as seen in Macross FB7 upon making a visit on Macross Frontier Gavil still has the effect of making Zentradi berserk without intending to. Meaning it is a reaction the Protoculture programmed into the Zentradi. In Macross Plus during Guld's inquiry it is mentioned full blood Zentradi can has aggression issues.
Past SDF and Plus (and I guess Zero), Macross has always been the defining example of popular genre appropriation. I don't know what you were expecting; Kawamori's never been a talented trendsetter or an original director in the slightest. Even SDF's best story aspects were a result of ishiguro and the rest of the staff.
I'm not making excuses for Delta either; Macross is a trashy franchise with an even trashier fanbase. Much as I hate Robotech, I can't fault it's fanbase for nearly as much shit taste as Macrossfags.
Welcome to modern macross, enjoy your idol trash
Supposedly red and one of the male pilots.
Tits is supposedly also a mechanic who is turned on by mechs.
It would be hilarious but great if green was also fucking one of the male pilots, but continues to act all calm and collected until she's called out on it.
>Macross is a trashy franchise with an even trashier fanbase.
This. If the hotheaded legal Loli/Fiesty Giantess double waifu wasn't a sign of coming dark times, then I don't know what is.
It was tasteful idol shit with great art direction.
>he only watched DYRL
>he never watched SDF
>he doesn't remember that the first fucking song in SDF and DYRL constantly refrains to Minmei going "KYUN KYUN"
Not defending this trash btw, or Frontier for that matter. Just saying, please don't try to talk about shit you haven't even watched.
Fuck you, My Boyfriend is a Pilot was really catchy. Even Ranka couldn't ruin that shit.
It's a nice song. I'm just saying that it's also literally got an idol catchphrase in it, and is an idol type song, and that Macross has always been about idols, it's just way more obnoxious in the more recent iterations.
Confirmed? If so, that's nice that we can get green out of the way.
Now if only Freyja ends up choosing to be a Windmere songstress while Mirage wins the MC bowl and Mikumo fucks the Delta squad's veteran ace.
Where did you get the idea that he didn't watch SDF from that post?
Just curious, because that's quite a broad extrapolation from a simple gif.
I wish i had the amazing ability to watch and enjoy garbage like this, unfortunately i was born with a genetic pre-disposition called "not having shit taste"
Marcoss plus, Original and DYRL remain the only worthwhile entries.
I'm sure you'd know all about getting shut down by chicks.
Actually my reply was for >>13701232. That's what I get for posting in a phone.
I entirely agree with im though. Mari Iijima's voice managed to bring me to tears once. Can't say the same for any other entry's token idol.
Their skirts have thrusters built into them and they have some kind of sensor/devices on their fingernails for commanding the droids. They don't seem to have any powers besides the abilities their suits provides.
It just doesn't make any sense. When your race was saved from extinction by a singing idol that cultured a bunch of aliens then having more idols appear in sequels is only natural. Singing and idols have been part of Macross for nearly 30 years now, having a military team of idols is not "ruining" Macross.
Nobody said idols ruined macross. Modern Japanese idol culture and Kawamori's shit taste and poor direction ruined Macross. He knows how to put on a pretty show, but he's a lot more flash than substance these days (much like modern idol culture, come to think of it.)
He's starting to wilt in the mechanical design department too, if the YF-30 and VF-31 are any indication.
>Singing and idols have been part of Macross for nearly 30 years now, having a military team of idols is not "ruining" Macross.
Don't tell me that, tell it to newshits like >>13701120
>Nobody said idols ruined macross
Newshits still do
They're not really wrong, but I just don't think they're making their point very well and oversimplifying the problem to "lolidolshit". Idols themselves didn't ruin Macross so much as the cultural trends associated with them. Macross has always been a reflection of culture at the time, and with the downward spiral Japanese culture has been in during recent years, it was only a matter of time before Macross became just as souless as it's societal muse.
It's funny how the "idol shit" like Frontier, 7, and SDF were huge success in Japan and the more miltary-ish sequels like Plus and Zero weren't very successful in Japan. That's because Japan knows what to expect from Macross and it's just the western fanbase that has this ill-perceived notion that Macross was always this gritty war drama or something.
Anyway I think anyone hating calling Delta garbage after only seeing eighty percent of the first fucking episode needs to fuck right off. The show isn't even close to completion and they aren't giving it a chance, especially when the writers said during that fanclub even that each episode will have a tonal shift from the previous episode. So if you like more Valkyrie action and bloodshed then you'll probably get episodes focused around that.
This isn't like 7 where the enemy is solely defeated by music. Singing also quells the Var syndrome, it can't do shit against the Aerial Knights.
>This isn't like 7 where the enemy is solely defeated by music. Singing also quells the Var syndrome, it can't do shit against the Aerial Knights.
That "also" was supposed to be "only. We even see in the first episode the droids can't attack the zentradi mecha, they can only form barriers to protect civilians. If the idols could destroy VFs on their own with those things then yeah I'd have a problem with that but they clearly stress in the first episode that they need the VFs to disarm the enemy mechs first for the most part. Mikumo's charge at that one zentran is just her being a badass.
>He's starting to wilt in the mechanical design department too, if the YF-30 and VF-31 are any indication.
The YF-30 and VF-31 are just fine. The culmination of the weapon pod was something I was looking forward to since Macross 30 was released.
Macross, and indeed all anime is made with Japan in mind. Plenty of shows have been cancelled that got good ratings outside Japan.
And besides you can't even watch Macross legally as a foreigner (excluding importing).
>Zero weren't very successful in Japan.
Plus did pretty well internationally, but that probably had more to do with Watanabe's unique, internationally marketable approach to storytelling combined with Kawamori's god-tier mechanical design
I don't know WHAT the fuck Kawamori was thinking with Zero. I guess he was trying to.emulate the modern wartime feel of the 2000s with earlier versions of Macross shit with some alien mumbo jumbo thrown in somewhere, but that just resulted in everything being far less notable outside the new CGI animation. Even the Phoenix was just a less cool VF-1.
>Even the Phoenix was just a less cool VF-1.
Take that back, the VF-0D is one of the sexiest variable fighters there is.
Idol culture isn't just ruining Japan. Every little girl wants to grow up as a talentless whore like Kardashian.
Let's not pretend any country is safe. Just going to YT shows you the human race is doomed. Fucking e-celebs.
Oh Iike it, too, but something about the VF-1 just feels so "right" and the VF-0 feels like an attempt to improve on perfection.
Japan is way more cynical about it. It's not like the otakus/wotas actually think their waifus love them, they want to pretend they're on a virtual relationship with the waifu and they demand the industry to fuel their delusions. Things like music or plot become irrelevant and even sometimes they can be an obstacle so they must be discarded
Well at least Japanese idols can sing and dance, I'll give them that.
For me Frontier was just a bit of fun, watching a show with lots of pink and cute girls is nice once in a while. So I'm cautiously optimistic for this show.
>and it's the only Macross aside from SDF that achieved any success overseas.
When the only other series brought over was 2 and SDF that's not very impressive. And I'm talking about popularity and merchandise. Macross 7 had tons of toys, music CDs, clothing etc and is mentioned/referenced quite a bit in japanese pop culture while Plus is the complete opposite. The YF-19 and YF-21 are popular with fans but the actual show isn't.
>Macross 7 had tons of toys, music CDs, clothing etc and is mentioned/referenced quite a bit in japanese pop culture
Cool bullshit bro, barely anyone remembers it like damn near every early 90s anime not named Gundam or Eva.
>This isn't like 7 where the enemy is solely defeated by music
You do realize its not the music that ultimately defeats the protodevlin? It was the vehicle yes but Its the emotion and shear force of will that Basara has (and why the parrots call him autistic) that ultimately defeats them that's what anima spiritia is.
Yeah, it's not popular at all bro. That's why it got 4 bonus episodes, a movie, and an OVA sequel because it's obscure and unpopular right bro? Totally not referenced ever in anything too bro.
Not entirely true. They did drive Gavil back with Basara's singing. Just look at that episode where they sing Holy Lonely Light for the first time. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAc9X-F_j9U
>idols have invaded macross
Minmay was fucking otaku pandering moe bait for her time period you underage b&. The series has always had music reflecting the time it was made. Akb style girl groups are big, macross features heavy use of pop music. It makes sense. Fuck off back to mahq
Seriously, I've been told a million times every time I express my distaste for Macross's obnoxious modern approach to idols to go watch Robotech or I get accused of being a Robofag. Why? Beyond that it's Americanized Macross, I have no idea what the deal with Robotech is since I wasn't around for it, someone please explain it to me. I know they changed Hikaru's whole name yet only Max's last name for some odd reason
>Beyond that it's Americanized Macross, I have no idea what the deal with Robotech is since
It's not just Macross. It's a mash-up of Macross, Southern Cross. and Mospeda. The first season is mostly Macross, a lot of it is similar but some major plot points like Protoculture are changed (protoculture is some macguffin energy source rather than an ancient society.) It's pretty much complete shit, especially the completely original stuff.
People are associating you with it because they feel like you're acting as if Idols shouldn't be expected in Macross.
>People are associating you with it because they feel like you're acting as if Idols shouldn't be expected in Macross.
This. Robotech really doesn't have any emphasis on singing like the Macross sequels so he should just watch those if he wants something else.
It's alright, but I much prefer the VF-0C. Either way, delta wings on the VF-0 frame kind of make me wish they did something similar with the VF-1.
>Minmay was fucking otaku pandering moe bait
Pop culture in Japan back in the 80s was just starting to get huge with the idol craze, and Minmay was more of an average starry-eyed average teenage girl. Calling her moe bait is selling her extremely short; she was both a reflection of her generation and of idol culture at the time, and not always the good aspects of either. That made her an interesting character; she was sometimes petty, flawed, and her idol lifestyle made her occasionally difficult to deal with.
>Akb style girl groups are big, macross features heavy use of pop music. It makes sense.
I keep seeing people put this bit of information there, like it somehow makes it not shit. There are a lot of things about modern pop culture that are perversions of past influences, both Japanese and otherwise. Watching Macross glorify modern Japanese idol groups (which is extremely creepy from a lot of angles) the way Delta seems like it is going to is like watching MTV glorify the Kardashians and the Jersey Shore gang. For all it's flaws, Frontier's use of musical idols was still on-the-level and believable for the Macross universe. I felt it didn't complement the show quite as beautifully as SDF or DYRL, but I never found myself sucked out of the moment by a clumsy clash of genres, and the idol aspect never felt out of place or jarring. Yoko Kanno's talent probably helped a lot with some of the songs, too. Delta, on the other hand, tries to blend AKB style music/magical girl shenanigans with VF fighting and it definitely doesn't do the show any favors. Hopefully future episodes handle it a lot more gracefully, now that the 1st episode caught everyone's attention.
Besides, Korean Pop groups > Japanese Idol groups. I like it when pop stars can actually -sing-.
Get a load of this faggot.
Why else have an idol in anime? It's pandering.
A 14-year-old girl, born on the remote frontier of the galaxy, who yearns to be in the tactical sound unit Walküre.
The vocalist of the tactical sound unit Walküre. A mysterious girl, of unknown age, whose history and private life are all shrouded in enigma.
22-year-old leader of the tactical sound unit Walküre. She serves as the "big sister" of the team.
An 18-year-old member of the tactical sound unit Walküre and a girl who appears to be a bit flighty. She serves as the mechanic.
A 15-year-old member of the tactical sound unit Walküre. She hardly talks or displays her emotions. She is also an ace hacker.
Keith Aero Windermere
19 years old. An ace pilot in the Kingdom of Wind's Valkyrie team Aerial Knights. He possesses a high sense of chivalry and stays aloof.
20 years old. Commander of the Kingdom of Wind's Aerial Knights. Has a very loose bearing, but still possesses great intelligence. He seems to have some fixation over his glasses.
16 years old. A pilot in the Kingdom of Wind's Aerial Knights, alongside his younger twin brother Xao.
16 years old. A pilot in the Kingdom of Wind's Aerial Knights. Compared to his twin brother Theo, Xao is more prone to fighting.
15 years old. A pilot in the Kingdom of Wind's Aerial Knights. Mischievous in childhood, and grew up as the youngest child, surrounded by his older sisters.
17 years old. A blunt young man who says what he's thinking. He's traveled the Milky Way.
Mirage Farina Jenius
18 years old. The only woman on the Delta Team. On the one hand she takes pride in her duties as a pilot, but on the other she is serious and inflexible. She shares the same family name with Max from the first Macross series, and the same middle name from Millia from the first series. Max and Millia had seven daughters with similar names.
24 years old. The mood maker of the Delta Team. He's easily entertained, and no one is quicker to flirt with the ladies.
21 years old. The ace pilot of the Delta Team. He's a professional who doesn't show much emotion, and is always the most calm and collected.
33 years old. The leader of the Delta Team who can be both tolerant and strict. He can also be a reliable older-brother type.
40 years old. Half Zentradi, half earthling captain of a Macross class-ship. He's easily taller than two meters.
>yfw Minmei practically invented idolshit
Look, just cause it's been there doesn't mean what she was and what idolshit is now are the same.
>it's also literally got an idol catchphrase in it
and why do you think that is, familia?
I think there's a significant difference in presentation between Minmay and the current crop, as for how that factors into the story, well it's too early to bitch about.
>Look, just cause it's been there doesn't mean what she was and what idolshit is now are the same.
>They're different because I'm a blind nostalgiafag and I just want them to be different, ok!?
Idols aren't exclusively an otaku thing. Believe it or not, sometimes they're about the music, dancing, and sex appeal.
Idol anime or idol centric anime, on the other hand, have a much larger otaku connotation. Idols always played a role in Macross but lately the role their music has in the plot is becoming less and less gracefully and sensibly integrated into the setting and is moving more and more into generic anime superpower/pseudo-magic territory, mostly starting with 7. I guess that's great for magical girl/idol fans, but for people that got into Macross for science fiction element alongside the clever and meaningful role music had ib the Universe it can understandably be a turn off.
Take a wild guess which side a good portion of /m/ belongs to. So yeah, this show will likely be shitposted to hell and back, and while I'm personally not really put off by Walkiure, I'm not going to fault them for being salty about Macross's most recent direction.
>Idols always played a role in Macross but lately the role their music has in the plot is becoming less and less gracefully and sensibly integrated into the setting and is moving more and more into generic anime superpower/pseudo-magic territory, mostly starting with 7.
You just summed up my main issue with Macross pretty well. It isn't necessarily the idols so much as the blending of genre tropes that don't seem to have much thought put into how it's going to work. Macross 7 was especially guilty of this with it's DBZ powerup imagery. If Basara wasn't such an entertaining character that put out some good riffs I probably would never have finished series. I haven't even bothered with the OVA yet.
>Besides, Korean Pop groups > Japanese Idol groups.
>the role their music has in the plot is becoming less and less gracefully and sensibly integrated into the setting and is moving more and more into generic anime superpower/pseudo-magic territory
This. Sure it is a bit silly in every instalment (just like giant robots that transform into planes are) but people mix of having a similar feature as being the same when execution matters a lot. It isn't even just what power the music gives but all the stuff around it
It is very easy to do it badly and just make it feel like a cheap plot power cause they needed to have it
I didn't care for the first episode but I also wouldn't call it straight up bad, just very by the numbers.
The characters just fell completely flat with me, especially the girls who just feel set up as waifu bait in different flavours. Do you want happy go lucky (but is also a massive tech nerd XD) or the uncaring one? The general premise is fine and it looked nice but the execution of everything else was just so nothing. Didn't like the music but I dislike modern J-pop in general
it's a bad idea to throw so many characters at the audience at one time so early, but I think haremshit has made this approach unavoidable when you've got a bouquet of moes to market ASAP.
The song Borderline. I'm saying it was a good song.
It isn't that it is throwing so many characters, more they all seem very generic and predictable. Doesn't help I found none of them interesting or that likeable, they seem more aimed at an /a/ crowd
At the end when it almost seem to start up a ska song I was ready but just nope. Macross with a ska band when?
>for people that got into Macross for science fiction element alongside the clever and meaningful role music had ib the Universe it can understandably be a turn off
That's exactly what I watch Macross for, and I've enjoyed the recent entries for that exact reason.
And AKB0048, which Delta is pulling a lot of notes from, did an absolutely fantastic job on the world-building end of things, especially with regard to how music was integrated into the universe. So I'm not too worried about Delta yet.
I am incredibly ambivalent towards this.
I found a few songs in Frontier quite catchy and the rest at least listenable, even though I normally find Jpop rather bland in comparison to other pop genres. Now I'm starting to wonder if Yoko Kanno was the magic that made Frontier's music so good, because Borderline isn't nearly as fun to listen to. Maybe a few other songs will be better, but just like with the rest of this show, I'm not getting my hopes up...
>mfw my girlfriend recently got me ro watch RWBY with her up till the latest episode, and I wasn't nearly as disgusted as I was when I watch that preview episode.
What the fuck is happening to Macross?
Frontier's first episode was pretty great, a good tone setter with a simple, yet good premise. Now they're trying to blend in magical girls and Sentai VFs with the most uninspired sounding Jpop I've heard in a years? It's like it's trying WAY too hard to mash together genres and the whole thing just feels tacky.