>>13698893 It's the ponytail, the way they're both pretty gruff despite being girls, and the way they instantly acknowledge when they're wrong and don't try to act like a tsundere bitch by violently beating up the MC when they point out their mistakes.
1 episode and I already like her. If the hints showed throught the preview are to be believed, then her primary conflict will be having to live up to her family name, which is something I really like in a character's development.
Also judging by the trailers I hope she gets some rivalry with the MC
>>13699456 She's just living music. Just watch, she'll be the plot Macguffin that's key to stopping Var syndrome in the well-intentioned extremist's plan to save humanity from the Kazens by turning her body into a giant microphone or something.
>>13701609 Sivil wasn't in the Macross 7 promos or the early episodes, and yet she became the main love interest. Mirage will be like the Flower Girl, a girl in Hayate's life but not a romantic interest.
More like there are specific factions in these companies that decide to be more opportunistic than typical. That should have been in Gundam too but they somehow made all of Anaheim into full-on shadow backer instead.
>>13701809 >Mirage does a lot of training when she has the time >Can't do jackshit against the hordes of enemies the simulator throws at her >flashback to a time where she watched her family play on VF simulators for fun >Everyone else cleared the all hard as fuck scenarios >She fails on the first 1-vs-Many scenario
>>13702290 Probably so. Although in this case I assumed the tipping point would be the use of the Sv- designator.
IIRC the NUNS use the VF- designator for approved models, right? Seems like the -262 was purpose-built for export and if that were the case, then it makes sense that as a model built to cash in on Windmere's actions, the general population under NUN wouldn't know of it. I'd assume all the defense fighters of the fleets and colonies would be from the NUNS inventory seeing as it is the head government of all these separate groups.
>>13702224 >>13702280 >>13702290 >>13702309 Well, General Galaxy built and funded Macross Galaxy. And that was pretty much an immoral hellhole (compared to Frontier at least). Not to mention that they've been on the cutting edge with the BDI and cyborgization, which Macross seems to be hellbent on vilifying ever since Plus.
I don't doubt that some aspects of General Galaxy are the ones selling SV-262s to Windmere, especially since they're so obviously the developers. And I don't think that the SV designation having been last used by anti-UN forces in the early 2000s is a coincidence either.
>>13702333 >I'd assume all the defense fighters of the fleets and colonies would be from the NUNS inventory seeing as it is the head government of all these separate groups. Makes sense since the planet they were on uses VF-171s for their defense. Assuming it takes longer to get to the Large Magellanic Cloud with it being technically outside of our galaxy, it makes sense that they would still use older fighters. Though the VF-171 is showing its age now at what? 20 years?
Maybe they'll upgrade it with VF-25 engines next in the same way the VF-171EX uses VF-19 engines haha.
>>13702422 Its weird how they aren't just using 171EXs. Maybe the 171EX is a Frontier-only stopgap measure used by them only to beef up the 171 to fight the Vajra, as shown by Ozma and Alto, the 171EX just doesn't compare to a proper high spec machine.
>>13702444 >Its weird how they aren't just using 171EXs. Definitely.
Where did Frontier get the VF-19 engines for the VF-171EX anyway? Did they have the blueprints for their VF-19EFs and decided to just use them for their VF-171EXs? Surely wherever they are now can juryrig VF-25 engines to make a VF-171EXX or something, especially if the VF-25 is still in mass production and NUNs has moved on to the VF-31.
That's another thing I'd like to learn: what the VF-31's status in terms of its production. Is Delta Squad the only people who have VF-31s right now? Is it a special forces thing? Is Shinsei/LAI still the manufacturer?
>>13702523 I think the VF-25 might actually be adopted as the mainline grunt sometime after Frontier.
The VF-31 might be the ace-squad VF, or even purpose-built for Delta squad.
As to why they got the VF-19 engines and used them on 171s, probably something to do with the fact that they can't get VF-19s that aren't the monkey models so they settled for the engines instead so that they can beef up the 171's speed especially after they added all the extra stuff to convert them into EX standard.
I did never expect the -171 to be a thing, actually. Since the -17 was a heavy stealth fighter (it also doesn't look any more for "mass-production" than the VF-19 looks for the same thing), I thought Kawamori would have picked something like a super-fied -11 the same way the Star Mirage and the -171 broke away from the main numbering conventions as spinoff products.
>>13702609 Considering the gap in performance between anything pre-Plus and post-Plus, using VF-11s might actually be a bad idea. If they had used upgraded VF-11 as the main grunt in Frontier and upgraded it further into a hypothetical VF-11EX later, it would really be a stopgap machine upgraded to its limits at that point. At that point they might as well use VF-17s, or even VF-14s.
>>13702720 >If they had used upgraded VF-11 as the main grunt in Frontier and upgraded it further into a hypothetical VF-11EX later, it would really be a stopgap machine upgraded to its limits at that point
Close to what I was thinking. Although I was musing that a VF-11EX would be the mainline grunt in Frontier and in Delta it would be outclassed poor man's VF like what the VF-171EX is now.
Or they could have done a VF-xx (some number like -16, -18, -23) that would be like the Star Mirage in that it's an entirely new VF but uses practical lessons learned from other earlier VFs in making a cheap and usable product.
They should've just had VF-19s be the grunts in Frontier. Kawamori objected because he saw the 19 as more of a "hero unit" and so we got the 171 instead. I still think that was a mistake. After all, the VF-25 was the hero unit in Frontier, and it's now the grunt unit in Delta. Having the previous-generation hero unit become the new grunt unit would've been a good tradition to establish.
>>13703366 Isamu is literally a one-off just like Max, Guld, and Basara are.
The average NUNS pilot is typical of grunts in every mecha series ever. It's like in the future, boot camp consists of sitting around sipping tea and watching video lectures of past battles and training involves sitting in a cockpit while a personal instructor recites the functions of buttons, and they get their shiny wings.
Besides, the Protodevlin are hardly your average Zentradi rouges and the Vajra are essentially "everything the NUNS have, galactic nature did it first and did it best."
>>13703366 >But Isamu could do a lot better in the VF-11 in PLUS than whatever we saw anyone doing in Frontier with the VF-25. Going to have to strongly disagree with that. I saw Alto, Brera, Ozma, and even Klan do just as or even more impressive feats than Isamu.
>>13705504 Satelight normally does quite a bit better than this. The CGI in Delta's preview episode looked noticeably worse than even TV Frontier, let alone their more recent (and substantially better) work.
Hopefully it's just due to unfinished footage, and will be fixed by the time the show airs.
>>13705607 Frontier was Macross's 25th anniversary series so Kawamori wanted the best composer for it. Delta has 3 musical composers. Though not as renown as Kanno the music was pretty good nonetheless.
it's probably unlikely that the CG will change between now and then official season start, but it is not out of the realm of possibility yet. While the hand drawn stuff is likely set, the CG models could have their textures updated and the lighting tweaked and then just letting software rend out the same animation again the biggest time sink would probably be compositing all back together again
>>13707558 She is obviously here to pander to giantfags, but not too much as to not steal focus from the idols.
So she will probably have one good scene where she will be macronized to pander to giantfags. She will kick ass during that scene, which will probably be late into the season. Before, and after, she will be a complete jobber.
>>13705569 >The CGI in Delta's preview episode looked noticeably worse than even TV Frontier Any comparison? I have an hard time believing this. I've noticed some wonky models but the missiles trails and most of the effects look really good
>>13707813 >>13707819 Thanks. Yeah, the missiles are better now. Instead maybe the Valks models are worse. I don't see anything wrong with the lightning, it's trying to emulate cheap 2D lightning as usual
>>13707855 How about trying to explain in detail instead of acting like a retard? I seriously hope you don't think the missile circus is better in this Frontier cut. (even though I remember them getting way better in the movies)
>>13707813 >>13707819 I felt that Frontier action scenes in the first few episodes were much better than the mindless spamming in Delta preview, which actually looked like Frontier most mindless battles.
>>13708593 how DID that get past the concept board anyway? >so you pilot it with your thought? >why yes it allows for faster reaction time compared to manual controls >yes, interesting, but what happens when if the pilot is distracted or his mind wanders? >well we'll just train them to be laser focused on piloting >right....
Perhaps the prototype has the full, unmitigated version, which hasn't been installed with failsafes and macros and whatnot. Ultimate open-ended control balanced by unmitigated feedback from even the slightest off-key thought.
Since they ripped it out of the design after the Sharon Apple incident, we may never know.
>>13708784 >Implying all of Frontier's pilots were great skill-wise. Only Ozma, Brera, and later Alto had exemplary piloting skill. The rest were either good or average. You also have to take to consideration the delta Squadron were fighting the Aerial Knights without missiles which is a disadvantage.
>>13708852 I miss in SDF Macross when music was just the crown jewel on the whole "culture" thing. It wasn't just Minmay singing, it was the whole idea of having something else to life than fighting, like buying keychains and looking lingerie advertisements.
>>13708902 Well, music sales and toy sales is what funds these shows, so of course that's pushed to the front and center. A shame really, you'd think the music would be able to sell without literally being the point of the show.
So we assume that they're referring to the actual character pilots since they the ones that matter. We also see no display of skill with the grunts/VF-171 in the pilot episode of Delta and just see them get shot down as soon as they appear.
>>13708883 Culture has been on the forefront. In Frontier it was a pretty big deal with integrated mall complete with full size zentraedi clothes, hippo cows, and all those panning scenery porn shots. It pretty much embodied the future the SDF generation sought to build. Which is what made it a sucker punch when the conflict took its toll.
Macross 7 had zentraedi forming a colony fleet and Millia becoming the Leader of a civil government. She had at least two daughters not follow her and Max into the military.
Even Delta showed some off with full sized zentraedi living in close proximity to human sized populations. Hell, they have a stable enough government to organize and fund the public health, not security, task force that is the focus of the show.
Music just happens to be one of the more portable and certainly the loudest expression of culture in the Macross universe.
>>13708883 I think I'd care less if Kawamori could decide on a some concrete in-universe science fiction elements, execution, and even a genre of music instead of just going "What are the kids listening to these days? They're fawning over Idol groups singing cute songs? Lets use that. We'll make it so that it cures a Crossed-style virus so that it makes sense in-setting. Lets throw in some sentai and magical girl stuff, too. Those things sell, right? Just make the VFs strike cool poses and the magical girl stuff tech-based, not like they'll care." I've been told "it's Macross, try not to think about it too hard," and that's exactly the problem; Kawamori doesn't think about anything too hard anymore.
I mean, fuck; Kawamori had to invent the whole entirely new concept of spirita to make the actual, tangible power of rock music in 7 make sense, and even then, it doesn't really make sense.
If he's just inventing newer plot hooks written explicitly around the concept of the (now literal) power of music defeating evil, then maybe he should start taking a bit of a backseat to a director that actually knows how to craft a compelling story premise, one that could use the music angle in a more meaningful fashion. Personally, I don't think Kawamori's particularly talented in that department. He's creative and he can design a mean mech, but his style of story crafting is so haphazard and ludicrous that it's hard to take him seriously anymore.
Ah well, at least we'll get a cool new VF toy out of it. Does the Siegfried have a confirmed gunpod yet? I'd like it more if it did.
You have this thing that has a creative force, sure, but it has different directors, writers, and other people. It turns out to be a big hit and eventually becomes a classic.
Years later they get the "creator" guy out there and makes him do a sequel, but he does so with none of the other people who were attached to the original.
So now Macross is synonymous with Kawamori, and every single subsequent installment has shown more or less the same of his telltale quirks, bad taste and whatnot. The idol aspect which while certainly a part of the original has now ballooned out to be the front and centerpiece, and the military action plays second fiddle to people singing.
Not saying it's all bad, I'm just saying we've seen it elsewhere already.
>>13709316 That's a strawman argument. Nobody wants something identical to SDF, a lot of people are just puzzled that the first show is so different from the subsequent ones.
Really it seems more like 7 and Frontier (and now Delta, at least judging from the pre-air episode) are "the same". They are all about plucky singers whose songs literally touch upon something in the life of people. It's not even just that people hear the music, but that the music is like a universal force like gravity.
Why is it so bad to wish for something a bit more grounded like Macross Zero that isn't about some wannabe singer, but instead about something else? it's such a rich universe and we are getting this shit again.
>>13709335 This. macross has messed with the balance of it's main aspects a lot but it feels like it is focusing more and more on making the music super magical and this is really taking it to an extreme.
I'm not even a mostly music focused one couldn't work, but this way just isn't that appealing right now especially because there are so many terrible idol shows around that have awful fanbases. A different direction and not seeming to copy all the boring crap around it would be nice.
>>13709335 >They are all about plucky singers whose songs literally touch upon something in the life of people. It's not even just that people hear the music, but that the music is like a universal force like gravity. That's not F at all. The songs don't do shit, it's the emotion transmitting through the fold crystals. Ranka being in distress has a more profound effect on the vajra than Sheryl singing her hardest. Ranka trying to convey calming with Aimo doesn't work when she is too upset about Alto and Sheryl being together. It's Ai spending time with her and telling the other vajra that makes them help frontier to fight galaxy.
>>13709521 >but it feels like it is focusing more and more on making the music super magical Well, pseudo-biomagical in this case but I share the sentiment. The imagery involved in it is definitely meant to appeal to a fanbase far removed from even the most softcore of sci-fi fans, most notably the magical girl weirdos.
>>13709561 >most notably the magical girl weirdos. Exactly. And I'm not even really hating on that element but as much the execution. There is nothing I see in there that makes it look interesting, it just looks like the low hanging anime fruits were picked. The only sort of unique thing is them singing while they are meant to be saving people so that just makes me wonder when they or the VFs are dancing why aren't they saving lives? Occasionally they flick some shield at the end of a move, I guess all the over ones weren't saved cause it didn't fit with the dance routine. It just makes it seem lazy and badly thought out
>>13709521 >This. macross has messed with the balance of it's main aspects a lot but it feels like it is focusing more and more on making the music super magical and this is really taking it to an extreme. Not really. 7 had songs harm giant alien monsters and shoot beams from their bodies, Zero had them make rocks and planes float. The music aspect of Delta is pretty toned down in comparison.
>>13710047 >>13710047 >The music aspect of Delta is pretty toned down in comparison. Just because it's not OUTRIGHT magical (and some of it, I'm not so sure I wouldn't classify it as magic-esque, at least) doesn't mean Delta isn't even more guilty of the similar poorly executed bullshit those shows are known for.
For a less extreme example, Gundam is known for some unexplained phenomenon having to do with psycoframe resonance and understanding without misconception. Doesn't mean Unicorn used it well or tastefully, and 00 straight up screwed the pooch with GN-particle UNDERSTANDING-field.
Logical progression =/= good progression. Even then, I wouldn't call it logical progression so much as a complete shift in emphasis and a bizarre, silly portrayal of themes a series is known for.
>>13710232 >Unicorn >logical progression How? The full body psycoframe makes sense. The hologram outfits in Macross existed since DYRL and have been shown to progress somewhat, with Sharon projecting a huge hologram of herself in Plus and later in Frontier where the stage, singer and even the audience interacts with each other via the holograms. A portable version of the hologram system as implied in Delta is logical.
>>13710254 If we never saw holographic transformations before then it wouldn't make any sense and it'd be retarded, but we've seen this kind of technology before. It's nothing really strange. Hell, even the flying boomerang droids are just a more advanced version of the flying microphones from Macross 7.
>>13710273 >The complains we got of Delta so far have somewhat logical explanations or were there since the beginning.
Really? Because a lot of the complaints I'm seeing for Delta have more to do with messy appropriation of popular genre conventions, particularly with it's general artstyle with the idols, the quirky, yet clumsy adorable female lead, not-technically-magical-but-might-as-well-be-magical girl shenanigans, sentai imagery, and the establishment of the most generic of generic anime girl archetypes with the most boring (yet I suppose marketable, considering the average idol group's popularity these days) music I've ever heard in a Macross show. That last one is pretty damning for a Macross series in my eyes.
If I had to use a description that would describe Delta's preview episode perfectly, it would be "completely risk-free considering horrible modern Japanese audience trends." It's "trendy" and not in a good way. If you're a fan of those trends, more power to you, I guess, but don't try to deny that Delta's trying extra hard to be as marketable as possible.
>>13710652 Frontier had a number of the issues you're talking about, albeit to a lesser degree, but I think the fact that the main team's VF's more subtle color palattes probably helped a lot. The VF-31 team's technicolor dreamcoat formation is kind of tacky looking in comparison, and the general profile doesn't look quite as neat and clean as the VF-25, especially in battroid mode (a problem shared by the VF-30)
>>13710992 If anything Walkure is a better Sound Force. They actually try to protect citizens instead of only singing and doing nothing else. Basara would sing and do nothing else while other pilots were being blown up. I even remember one episode when the Varuta forces show up and start blowing shit up during a festival. What does Basara do? Hop in his Fire Valkyrie and sings. That's it. If Walkure was there they'd at least try and protect people with the multi-drones. At least in a few episodes Basara did fight back but he'd still complain about having to fight.
>>13711148 >It'll be nice to see some actual worldbuilding beyond "colonies exist." I mean they already have done some with the introduction of Freya and her people. Chuck also seems to be a new race and they did mention a few new planets.
>>13711179 My point is, you're judging Delta on literally the most trivial shit.
You don't like it. Fine. You know what's not fine? The fact that you're still gonna watch it, and you're gonna spend the next nine fucking months shitting the threads up with all your bitching about it.
>>13711185 >You know what's not fine? The fact that you're still gonna watch it, and you're gonna spend the next nine fucking months shitting the threads up with all your bitching about it. I actually wasn't planning on it but now I'm going to just to spite you, specifically.
And I'm going to screenshot this thread so that when people start crying about how annoying it is that people keep shitting up Delta threads with endless bitching, they can know that it's entirely your fault.
>>13711188 No, it's your fault. Don't blame me because you're a spiteful little troll just looking for an excuse to keep trolling.
See, I was watching Gundam IBO. But eventually, my interest in the show waned. Did I keep watching it to spite others? No. Did I keep going to the threads so I could complain about it? I didn't. Do you know why? Because I have better things to do with my time than spend it doing things I don't like so I can spite people I don't like.
Seriously, this is your plan? "I'm gonna keep watching Delta so I can complain about it! Mwahahahah!". Move the fuck on with your life and go watch something you do like instead.
>>13711200 Hey, I'm not the one who's decided that they're gonna deliberately waste their time on someone who won't even remember this conversation by the time the anime starts airing. And you're gonna whip out a screencap proving how you "won", three months from now? I'll probably see it and not even remember that they were my posts.
>>13711323 >everyone else in her family would have just dealt with it Says who? Komilia and Mylene were the only ones confirmed as pilots in their family. And its not jobbing simply because Mirage wasn't shot down and still continued to fight and took down at least a drone. Besides you can't expect every member in Jenius family to be gifted as Max or Milia. Talent and skill aren't passed to your offsprings.
>>13710186 Mate, he actually said that Unicorn's use of Newtype phenomena wasn't good. He was using it as an example of how something can be logically connected to a previously established ability, but is executed poorly. Which is also his opinion on Walkure - it can be extrapolated from previous Macross works, but that doesn't mean that it's executed well.
Personally I don't agree with him on either point, but well, you know, that's just, like, my opinion, man.
>>13711431 >Oh yes it is. You're an idiot to think that. If talent was passed on then through one's offspring then children of exemplar athletes like Michael Jordan should also be naturally talented. And there's no proof that she's dud either as there's not enough combat showing her skill. You're just quickly writing her off since you don't like her.
>>13710932 7 kind of gets a minor pass in that department because they are excessively customized civilian VFs that are all part of a band formation that goes out of it's way to avoid combat and sing instead, not to mention all different models. It'd be weird if they weren't as quirky as possible.
>>13711446 Real world genetics aren't terribly important when discussing a piece of fiction. It's not so much that we think that she should have inherited a genetic predisposition to piloting (though as she's half-Zentran her resistance to g forces should be better than either Arad or Messer), but rather she is a character carrying the name of Macross Valkyrie royalty. That carries weight.
Getting caught by the jamming attack is one thing, and not having Arad's experience is another, but having her actually be out of sync with the rest of Delta, and having Hayate actually note that her piloting skills aren't up to scratch, is pretty galling.
The name 'Fallyna Jenius' means something in terms of Macross history, and it's specifically related to 'being a skilled pilot.' Instead the ace of Delta is this shingami dude. Who the fuck is Messer? Why the fuck should I care?
Obviously it's just the first, and not even complete, episode, but Kawamori wears his heart on his sleeve. I think we can make reasonable judgments based on it. Hayate's dancing in his worker destroid is setting him up to be suitable as a backing dancer for Walkure, and his noting that Mirage is out of time is setting up that she is less suitable. I think that's a strange thing to do with the Fallyna Jenius name. Mirage is probably the third point on the triangle so we'll see what the show does with her in time, but it's not promising when a fucking fishman named Chuck is a better pilot.
>>13711478 >Real world genetics aren't terribly important when discussing a piece of fiction. Maybe. But we still can't simply assume that she should have similar skill and talent as Max Milia just because she also bears their last names and provided she's blood-related.
>having her actually be out of sync with the rest of Delta, and having Hayate actually note that her piloting skills aren't up to scratch, is pretty galling She was only late for a split second when they took off after their little dance. Personally I think Hayate was just being nitpicky about it else the rest of the Delta squadron would've taken notice of it.
>but it's not promising when a fucking fishman named Chuck is a better pilot That still remains to be seen. Until we see Mirage in more combat it won't be fair to quickly judge her skill with an unfinished episode.
>>13711478 That's not all. To me, the most telling thing is that Mikumo ditched her. They get assigned to do covert reconnaissance together, and literally the first fucking thing Mikumo does is ditch her? That makes me think that Mirage has a history of fucking up covert ops, and Mikumo already knows that it'll be easier without her. And she's goddamn right, too. Mirage gets distracted from her Var recon work, chases after a random, unrelated stowaway, arrests the wrong person, reveals her identity to two complete strangers, one of which is a criminal, etc... She literally fucks up every single thing she does. It's not just the piloting. She's incompetent on every level.
>>13711561 >It's not just the piloting. She's incompetent on every level. If Mirage was so damn incompetent then why is she even in the Delta Squadron? Surely they have requirements which are even higher than the standard NUNS pilot. Not to mention she would have been discharged from duty if she was so incompetent. Mirage certainly has issues but incompetency is unlikely.
>>13711571 Incredible cool story. If only you actually had evidence to back it up.
>>13711561 The first time I watched the episode I actually totally missed Arad dissing Mirage. I was willing to forgive Mikumo ditching Mirage because she's a bit of a stiff and so makes undercover work difficult, because that's characterful, but there really is a lack of respect that runs through the whole episode.
It's cool to have a Fallyna Jenius in the cast, a Zentraedi in the triangle is great, her design is great, I think Seto's performance is good and honestly it feels like a breaking a thousand year drought by having a chick in the pit of a Valkyrie (Klan's brief piloting of the 25G notwithstanding). There's so much potential here, stop squandering it, Shoji.
>>13711609 >If Mirage was so damn incompetent then why is she even in the Delta Squadron? Because she's a Jenius.
>>13711611 Actually, I think this is brilliant. I wouldn't be surprised if Mirage never even wanted to be a pilot, but was pressured into it by her family. I feel like her story arc is going to be her accepting what she really wants to be and not just trying to live up to her family name.
>>13711777 >Because she's a Jenius. Please spare me the bullshit. Name recognition doesn't give her a free pass. Just accept the fact she's part of the team because she's capable to do the job. She's just green and needs experience.
>>13711878 >Mirage screwed up like, five or six different ways in a single episode. Please elaborate.
>Her own colleagues made fun of her She's green and lacked experience. Why do think Arad called naive?
>Even a complete stranger noticed You mean Hayate noticing her slightly late? That only happened when they took off after their little dance and she was only late by a split second. That's hardly called screwing up and Hayate looking to much into it.
>>13711891 >Please elaborate. She and Mikumo go to the surface of the planet to do some covert recon. Mikumo instantly ditches her because she knows Mirage will blow their cover, indicating that Mirage already has history of doing so. Mirage proceeds to forget her mission and starts chasing down some unrelated stowaway. She ends up arresting the wrong person. She ends up telling two complete strangers her identity, one of which she just mistakenly arrested, and the other a criminal stowaway. During the concert performance, her movements are sluggish and lag behind the other pilots. During the concert performance, the other pilots respond to and assist their respective idols without a single word said, while Makina had to specifically call Mirage for assistance, indicating that Mirage isn't paying attention to the status of the Multi-Drones. During the dogfight, she's the only pilot to get pinned down and require saving while fighting a single enemy VF.
>>13711920 >Who says they didn't? I was referring to their "dance". The battle was already over though temporarily since the Aerial Knights came into the planet. She was late by a mere split second and only when they took off. That's not screwing up the performance.
>>13711907 >Mikumo instantly ditches her because she knows Mirage will blow their cover, indicating that Mirage already has history of doing so. Honestly that's quite unprofessional of Mikumo andthe others if she can't tell that to Mirage directly. How does she expect her to learn anything if she's kept in the dark?
>Mirage proceeds to forget her mission and starts chasing down some unrelated stowaway. She didn't. There was a runaway suspect and its also her job to enforce the law since she's also military officer.
>She ends up arresting the wrong person. When you see a man on top of girl and she's resisting him who wouldn't think he was trying force himself onto her?
>She ends up telling two complete strangers her identity There's nothing wrong with that especially since she's has military rank and law enforcer. And its not like being part of the Delta Squadron is a secret.
>During the concert performance, her movements are sluggish and lag behind the other pilots. No she wasn't. She was only late by a split second when took off after their dance. That's not screwing up at all.
>During the concert performance, the other pilots respond to and assist their respective idols without a single word said, while Makina had to specifically call Mirage for assistance, indicating that Mirage isn't paying attention to the status of the Multi-Drones. Come on. That's bullshit. You're saying Mirage has to have telepathy whenever Walkure requests for support. She did her job well on that.
>During the dogfight, she's the only pilot to get pinned down and require saving while fighting a single enemy VF. First of she was attacked by a jamming system by surprise. Any of them could have been subject to that and need assistance from their wingman. Second she got hit but not shot down and continued to fight. Again she didn't screw up there.
Seriously, you're just downplaying Mirage so much over some trivial matters. She's may lack experience but far from being incompetent.
>>13712041 I read your entire post. The critical part is here: >No she wasn't. She was only late by a split second when took off after their dance. That's not screwing up at all. And I disagree entirely. If this wasn't important, then why have Hayate make note of it?
>>13712028 She's not incompetent, but she's noticeably behind the rest of the squadron. None of the points >>13711907 brought up portray her as outright incompetent, but they ARE mistakes, and not entirely trivial ones. She's far from perfect, and is clearly lagging behind the rest of the squadron.
>She was only late by a split second when took off after their dance. That's not screwing up at all. Considering the rest of the pilots were perfectly synchronized, "late by a split second" is still notable.
>You're saying Mirage has to have telepathy whenever Walkure requests for support. He's saying that she needs to become experienced enough to monitor the situation on the battlefield and notice where she's needed, like the rest of the pilots.
>Any of them could have been subject to that and need assistance from their wingman. They tried a similar trick against Arad and he shut them down hard. And he's not even the squad's ace.
>>13712049 >If this wasn't important, then why have Hayate make note of it? Hayate just has a keen eye and just being nit picky on it. And like I said it only happened when they took off for only a split second which doesn't mean screwed up. You're just blowing it out of proportion.
>>13712094 >Mirage screwed up multiple times in multiple ways. Like I said she didn't screw up. She may committed a few mistakes and not to the degree you're making it out to be. Again you're blowing it out of proportion and implying she's incompetent when she just lacks experience.
>>13712112 Oh please, that's complete bull. Incompetence is having absolutely not using their abilities to do their job or task which Mirage has proven to be capable of. You're just trying too hard to make her look far worse than she really.
Which again begs my question earlier. Why is she even in Delta Squadron if she's incompetent?
>>13712148 >Because she's a Jenius and she's trying to live up to her family name. As I've mentioned before name recognition doesn't give her a free pass. If she really is of Max and Milia's family they won't allow that know too well she's has to earn her position for it.
>And she's competent enough to get by. So now you're backing out on your previous statements that she's incompetent and a screw up? Make up your mind please.
>>13712170 I never claimed that she was incompetent and I consider her quite the opposite. I was merely challenging anon here >>13711907>>13712049 >>13712094 who insists that she is incompetent and a screw up with that question. But I agree with you that she does needs to improve.
>>13712185 There's this thing called nepotism, where because of your name and/or who you are related to you find yourself in a position that you perhaps aren't the most suited for. Sometimes it wasn't really what you wanted, but you kinda had to.
>>13712301 >the guy you were arguing with was correct on the rest of his points Then you're moron to actually believe his points are correct as he obviously blew some of them way out of proportion. Some of them aren't even mistakes in the first place and he looking for something to discredit Mirage. Like I said she shouldn't make it or last in Delta squadron if she was incompetent. Plain and simple.
>>13712359 Nepotism means shit for a specialized tactical group aimed to counter an dangerous unknown phenomena. Mirage has to prove that she is at least competent to do the job else the whole operation could become a failure. Like I said to Max and Milia would never let any of their kin get free pass to such a position. And believe Mirage has some pride not to allow that either.
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