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Mirage on the front page!
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>>13698872
For some reason, she really reminds me of Saki from Yahari.
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>>13698872
Work on your fucking moves, Mirage.
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>>13698893
Saki is best so Mirage is best too.
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well if you insist
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>>13698925
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Doesn't look like she's on the front page to me.
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>>13698893
It's the ponytail, the way they're both pretty gruff despite being girls, and the way they instantly acknowledge when they're wrong and don't try to act like a tsundere bitch by violently beating up the MC when they point out their mistakes.
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>>13698936
Best post ever.
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>>13698936
Mirage 2000 is my planefu. Dassault girls are the best.
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>>13699200
One seems to be off.
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>>13699254
Yeah, I wonder which one...
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What's her relation to Max/Milia?
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>>13699392
Granddaughter.
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>>13699392
No official explanation yet

Given timeline, probably granddaughter.
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Do we have porn yet tho?
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>>13699410
Actually it was already confirmed she's third generation. We just don't know which of the Jenius babies is her mom.
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>>13699418
Kawamori also mentioned her ears were a clue to her lineage. Maybe that's a hint she's half zentran and not quarter since they don't seem to have the pointed ears.
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>>13699428
The ears are really inconsistent though. Like the girl from Macross 30 with round ears who is supposed to be Zentradi. And Milia having different ears depending on what she appears in.
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>>13699428
Well, Mylene had pointy ears. So she's obviously Mylene's and Basara's kid.
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>>13699418
Moramia's full Zentradi, just sayin...
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>>13699440
Fake Jenius
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>>13699436
Shit, Aisha does have round ears. So much for that theory.
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>>13699439
>basara
>giving birth to anything that isn't music
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>>13699440
She's also the only one who took Fallyna Jenius as her name. Mirage also has this name.

There's also some visual similarity between the two, though Mirage has a lighter complexion.
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at last we are free from the man-face of frontier.
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>>13699497
Frontier will never go away.
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>>13698872
Can I rape her?
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>>13700137
No.
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>>13700139
Why not?
She is a space elf.
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>>13700154
Space elves are more powerful than regular elves.
If anything, they rape you.
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1 episode and I already like her. If the hints showed throught the preview are to be believed, then her primary conflict will be having to live up to her family name, which is something I really like in a character's development.

Also judging by the trailers I hope she gets some rivalry with the MC
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>>13700162
>tfw she's going to be the damsel at least once
I'm looking forward to this.
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>>13700194
She already was, look at how Chuck saved her from the Ghosts.
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Get back on the front page!
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>>13700154
>Why not?
>She is a space elf.

It's not rape if its an elf.
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>>13699456
She's just living music. Just watch, she'll be the plot Macguffin that's key to stopping Var syndrome in the well-intentioned extremist's plan to save humanity from the Kazens by turning her body into a giant microphone or something.
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>>13700160
>Space elves are more powerful than regular elves.
>If anything, they rape you.

Dark Eldar please
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>>13700162
>ill be having to live up to her family name

So we'll get to watch her solo an entire army?
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>>13700162
>Also judging by the trailers I hope she gets some rivalry with the MC
If by "rivalry" you mean "want to fug" then yes. She's likely part of the main triangle
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>>13701609
Sivil wasn't in the Macross 7 promos or the early episodes, and yet she became the main love interest. Mirage will be like the Flower Girl, a girl in Hayate's life but not a romantic interest.
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>>13701604
No, actually the opposite, we will watch her struggle because she -can't- solo an entire army, despite being a good pilot.

>>13701609
>If by "rivalry" you mean "want to fug" then yes.
By rivalry I obviously meant hate sex
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>>13698872
Am I the only one who got the impression that General Galaxy is funding Windmere's shenanigans?

As far as I can tell, Arad didn't seem to recognize the SV-262 in the same way that Alto didn't recognize the VF-27 when he first encountered it.

The SV-262 also shares design similarities with the VF-22 and the VF-27 (most notably the covered up cockpit), both of which are Galaxy craft.

Any chance Galaxy has decided to help the Kingdom of Wind with their anti-UN efforts in order to take advantage of the situation?
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>>13702200
I never got the "General Galaxy is totes evil" theory, the companies in Macross have never had overt plot relevance like Anaheim.
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>>13698872
She will be the "Green" to suffering?
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>>13702224

More like there are specific factions in these companies that decide to be more opportunistic than typical. That should have been in Gundam too but they somehow made all of Anaheim into full-on shadow backer instead.

Wasn't that the case for Galaxy in Frontier?
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>>13702280
I think after the events of Frontier General Galaxy decided to keep a low profile and they've been selling new model VFs to far off colonies like this.
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>>13702280
it depends on whether you can safely conflate Macross Galaxy and General Galaxy (or the faction thereof that's on the Galaxy Fleet).

Due to the dearth of translated material (Thanks, HG!) I can't really tell if that's what happened or not.
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will we get a sheryl cameo?
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>>13702200
General Galaxy is basically the evil corporation of Macross. They sell weapons to everyone, keep building better war machines, and are pro-cybernetic.
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>>13701809
>Mirage does a lot of training when she has the time
>Can't do jackshit against the hordes of enemies the simulator throws at her
>flashback to a time where she watched her family play on VF simulators for fun
>Everyone else cleared the all hard as fuck scenarios
>She fails on the first 1-vs-Many scenario
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>>13702290
Probably so. Although in this case I assumed the tipping point would be the use of the Sv- designator.

IIRC the NUNS use the VF- designator for approved models, right? Seems like the -262 was purpose-built for export and if that were the case, then it makes sense that as a model built to cash in on Windmere's actions, the general population under NUN wouldn't know of it. I'd assume all the defense fighters of the fleets and colonies would be from the NUNS inventory seeing as it is the head government of all these separate groups.
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>>13702314
I want songs and cameos from sequel series rather than the original, would love to hear some tracks from Plus redone and some songs from 7 and maybe even frontier again.
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Will there be a song as good as Diamond Crevasse in the show? Sadly, I don't think so.
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>>13702224
>>13702280
>>13702290
>>13702309
Well, General Galaxy built and funded Macross Galaxy. And that was pretty much an immoral hellhole (compared to Frontier at least). Not to mention that they've been on the cutting edge with the BDI and cyborgization, which Macross seems to be hellbent on vilifying ever since Plus.

I don't doubt that some aspects of General Galaxy are the ones selling SV-262s to Windmere, especially since they're so obviously the developers. And I don't think that the SV designation having been last used by anti-UN forces in the early 2000s is a coincidence either.
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>>13702333
My point exactly. Though the question is why exactly Windmere wants to be an anti-NUNs faction aside from not liking the fact that humanity is expanding across their territory.
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>>13702333
>I'd assume all the defense fighters of the fleets and colonies would be from the NUNS inventory seeing as it is the head government of all these separate groups.
Makes sense since the planet they were on uses VF-171s for their defense. Assuming it takes longer to get to the Large Magellanic Cloud with it being technically outside of our galaxy, it makes sense that they would still use older fighters. Though the VF-171 is showing its age now at what? 20 years?

Maybe they'll upgrade it with VF-25 engines next in the same way the VF-171EX uses VF-19 engines haha.
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>>13702422
Its weird how they aren't just using 171EXs.
Maybe the 171EX is a Frontier-only stopgap measure used by them only to beef up the 171 to fight the Vajra, as shown by Ozma and Alto, the 171EX just doesn't compare to a proper high spec machine.
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>>13702444
>Its weird how they aren't just using 171EXs.
Definitely.

Where did Frontier get the VF-19 engines for the VF-171EX anyway? Did they have the blueprints for their VF-19EFs and decided to just use them for their VF-171EXs? Surely wherever they are now can juryrig VF-25 engines to make a VF-171EXX or something, especially if the VF-25 is still in mass production and NUNs has moved on to the VF-31.

That's another thing I'd like to learn: what the VF-31's status in terms of its production. Is Delta Squad the only people who have VF-31s right now? Is it a special forces thing? Is Shinsei/LAI still the manufacturer?

VF-31 Masterfile fucking WHEN?!
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>>13702523
I think the VF-25 might actually be adopted as the mainline grunt sometime after Frontier.

The VF-31 might be the ace-squad VF, or even purpose-built for Delta squad.

As to why they got the VF-19 engines and used them on 171s, probably something to do with the fact that they can't get VF-19s that aren't the monkey models so they settled for the engines instead so that they can beef up the 171's speed especially after they added all the extra stuff to convert them into EX standard.
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>>13702570
We also need to keep in mind that Delta squadron is just stationed on this planet. Their home base might be on planet Ragna and the NUNS stationed there could be flying different models.
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>>13702523

I did never expect the -171 to be a thing, actually. Since the -17 was a heavy stealth fighter (it also doesn't look any more for "mass-production" than the VF-19 looks for the same thing), I thought Kawamori would have picked something like a super-fied -11 the same way the Star Mirage and the -171 broke away from the main numbering conventions as spinoff products.
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>>13699173
>No Mirage 4000 crying in a corner
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>>13702609
You aren't alone in thinking that. After all in PLUS they were using the 11 as a chaser aircraft and the 17 never even made an appearance.
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>>13701809
Mirage being an anomaly as a VF pilot who can't into 1-vs-many situations but can fight an enemy ace in 1-vs-1 might be interesting
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>>13702609
Considering the gap in performance between anything pre-Plus and post-Plus, using VF-11s might actually be a bad idea.
If they had used upgraded VF-11 as the main grunt in Frontier and upgraded it further into a hypothetical VF-11EX later, it would really be a stopgap machine upgraded to its limits at that point. At that point they might as well use VF-17s, or even VF-14s.
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literally the lightning of macross
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>>13702720
>If they had used upgraded VF-11 as the main grunt in Frontier and upgraded it further into a hypothetical VF-11EX later, it would really be a stopgap machine upgraded to its limits at that point

Close to what I was thinking. Although I was musing that a VF-11EX would be the mainline grunt in Frontier and in Delta it would be outclassed poor man's VF like what the VF-171EX is now.

Or they could have done a VF-xx (some number like -16, -18, -23) that would be like the Star Mirage in that it's an entirely new VF but uses practical lessons learned from other earlier VFs in making a cheap and usable product.
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mirage or death
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFDP7DDrR8k
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They should've just had VF-19s be the grunts in Frontier.
Kawamori objected because he saw the 19 as more of a "hero unit" and so we got the 171 instead. I still think that was a mistake. After all, the VF-25 was the hero unit in Frontier, and it's now the grunt unit in Delta. Having the previous-generation hero unit become the new grunt unit would've been a good tradition to establish.
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Mirage. On. The. Front. Page.
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Good Mirage morning. How are my Mirage bros doing?
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>>13702200
Didn't Galaxy get fucked up entirely?
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>>13702314
Who do you think lulu is?
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>>13702720
But Isamu could do a lot better in the VF-11 in PLUS than whatever we saw anyone doing in Frontier with the VF-25.
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>>13703366
Isamu is literally a one-off just like Max, Guld, and Basara are.

The average NUNS pilot is typical of grunts in every mecha series ever. It's like in the future, boot camp consists of sitting around sipping tea and watching video lectures of past battles and training involves sitting in a cockpit while a personal instructor recites the functions of buttons, and they get their shiny wings.

Besides, the Protodevlin are hardly your average Zentradi rouges and the Vajra are essentially "everything the NUNS have, galactic nature did it first and did it best."
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>>13703371
>Guld a good pilot, implying.

He could only do anything because he had the brain control stuff and a far more advanced VF.
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>>13703366
>But Isamu could do a lot better in the VF-11 in PLUS than whatever we saw anyone doing in Frontier with the VF-25.
Going to have to strongly disagree with that. I saw Alto, Brera, Ozma, and even Klan do just as or even more impressive feats than Isamu.
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>>13703363
Depends on what you consider canon.

Macross Frontier TV Macross Galaxy Mainland and probably a good chunk of their fleet are in hiding. The Executive Board are still alive.
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>>13703363
>>13703518
In the movies most of the fleet was destroyed and Brera killed the Executive Board but Battle Galaxy is missing and unaccounted for.
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>>13700160
Macross' space elves are 10 meters tall bruh.
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>>13703594
Milia is such a short giant.
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>>13703518
>Depends on what you consider canon.
headcanon is it's 2100 AD the galaxy is at peace and Frontier is a TV show based on an event, kind of like hogan's heroes
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>>13703602
Manlets exist in giant form, I guess.
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>>13701767
She has top billing in the cast listings anon.
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>>13702787
You will lap up your yellow hair-monster Ranka and ask for seconds.
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>>13703646
>hair-monster
eh, more of an angler fish
attracts prey with glowly forehead attachment
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Mirage on the front page!
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but who's her mom
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Sooooooooooooooooo

No fanart of her yet?
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>>13705258
Not yet.
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>>13705453
Damn it
I can't wait until april!
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>>13698872
>google search the image
>omg there's a new macross
>watch trailer, it's shitty CGI
why do they have to ruin everything?
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>>13700674
>It's not rape if its an elf.
I see there are other elegan/tg/entlemen browsing this thread.
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>>13705475
>muh CGshit
>muh ruined anime

nostalgiafag pls go and stay go
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>>13705475
ep1 is already out
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>>13705491
it doesn't matter, since it has shitty graphics
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>>13705489
In his defense, Satelite CG is really bad. Like Gonzo bad.
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>>13705503
>graphics
Slav and/or /v/ please stop saying this
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>>13705504
Yeah we know but it's not like this wasn't to be expected. It won't stop me from enjoying this series when it comes out.
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>>13705471
Same here. The wait is going to kill me.
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>>13705524
is having low standards the only way to enjoy mecha nowadays?
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>>13705504
Pls you wish Satelight was at least as good as Gonzo's worst.
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>>13705543
I think not having autism is the best way to enjoy mecha nowadays. Looks like you're out of luck there, oh well.
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>>13705556
Now that I think about it, Linebarrels looks better than most anything Satelite was animated in house.
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>>13705504
Satelight normally does quite a bit better than this. The CGI in Delta's preview episode looked noticeably worse than even TV Frontier, let alone their more recent (and substantially better) work.

Hopefully it's just due to unfinished footage, and will be fixed by the time the show airs.
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>>13705543
No, just Gundam. Since forever.

>>13705569
>Hopefully it's just due to unfinished footage
Yeah, I'll reserve judgement til the real deal shows up, but I'm not holding any breath.
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I just can't get hyped for a post-Frontier Macross without Yoko Kano running the music.

Watching Frontier's pilot in comparison to Delta's affirms my concerns.
This'll be an uphill battle for me.
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>Delta will never achieve the orchestral perfection that was Open Ranka
why live?
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>>13705627
>implying Ikenai Borderline isn't the best Macross music in twenty years
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>>13705627
I'm not even sure if Walkure puts on actual concerts. They seem to be a a mostly military group first.
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>>13705607
Frontier was Macross's 25th anniversary series so Kawamori wanted the best composer for it. Delta has 3 musical composers. Though not as renown as Kanno the music was pretty good nonetheless.
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>>13705650
Nothing in episode 1 matched up to Don't be Late. Don't get me wrong, it was fine, just Sheryl's concert was better
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>>13705650
>s
Ikenai no Borderline was fine (better than the other vocal themes) but nowhere near Lion, Diamond Crevasse or Obelisk to name a few (IMO)
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>>13703518

Grace is likely still alive too.

And I'd rather consider TV series canon since plot was 5 times better than in the movies.
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rrrreow nyeow nyeow
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>>13705659

Mind that it's not a finished episode.
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>>13705778
I don't think we're suddenly going to get another song
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>>13705790
Its not hard to add a new song in the mix but people are delusional if they think the CG is going to get an overhaul.
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>>13705806

They have 3 months. No way it's going to look so bad in final release.
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>>13705806
It's very possible. There's a reason it's called a PV episode.

At the very least I expect the textures to look smoother
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>>13705806
I don't see anything wrong with the CG.
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>>13705627
>implying it's not Carrot Loves You.

Yack, deculture.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkwC_M8QqA4
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>>13699439
I still have hopes for Gamlin.
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>>13698872

so on a scale of 1-10 how much will she job
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>>13706505
she's certainly as humorless as him
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Mirage is half-Zolan. Just look at those ears.
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>>13705977
The lighting is off. The models don't look like they're in the scene.

Also, it's got a ton of "pop" instead of some other studios that make efforts to blend the edges.

The choreography looks fine to me though.
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>>13707139
>Mirage is half-Zolan
No she isn't. Zentradi and crossbreeds have pointy ears. Not to mention her last names is a dead give away.
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I want to nibble Mirage's ear
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>>13707159
If I remember right, F got some spruces between the preview and final episode 1. It also got another 15 minutes or so of length.
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>>13707311
There was some considerable changes between Frontier's preview episode and 1st episode. Some scenes were altered or outright removed or replaced with new scenes.
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it's probably unlikely that the CG will change between now and then official season start, but it is not out of the realm of possibility yet.
While the hand drawn stuff is likely set, the CG models could have their textures updated and the lighting tweaked and then just letting software rend out the same animation again
the biggest time sink would probably be compositing all back together again
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>>13706527
She'll win in the end but she's definitely jobbing all the rest of the time.
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>Jobs in a VF when 1-on-1
>Jobs in a VF when 1-on-many

>Gets Queadluun-Rhea

>Fucking busts shit forever, turns out she's just genetically biased to Zentradi controls more than VF controls.
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>>13707492
>she's definitely jobbing all the rest of the time
Implying that she will
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>>13703518
>>13703523
You know, we have sequels to Frontier, like 30 and that one thing where the Frontier guys watch 7. We should know by now what's canon.

Easy litmus test - is Michael alive? If yes, then it's the movie, if no then it isn't. Alternative: Is Brera alive? If yes, then it's probably the show, if no it's the movie.
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>>13707537
She already did in the very first episode.
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>>13707516
Hotty giant when?!
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Worst Jenius. Even Mylene (her mom) is better.
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>>13707555
Getting caught by an unexpected jamming attack isn't jobbing at all.
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>>13707570
>jobbing is not jobbing
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>>13707580
>implying jobbing isn't jobbing
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>>13707558
She is obviously here to pander to giantfags, but not too much as to not steal focus from the idols.

So she will probably have one good scene where she will be macronized to pander to giantfags. She will kick ass during that scene, which will probably be late into the season. Before, and after, she will be a complete jobber.
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All this baseless assumption that Mirage will be a complete jobber just from a single scene which didn't get her shot down nor stop disabled her from fighting their opponent.
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>>13707592
We'll just have to cherish the moment then
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Why can't we have actually cute idols like MC Ride?
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What if Mirage becomes an idol?
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>>13707539
What if they're both alive.
WHAT THEN, BITCH?
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>>13707659

DROPPED
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>>13707687
>implying you haven't already dropped it
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>>13707721

DROPPED HARDER
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>>13703651
When are they gonna do porn of her tickling someone's balls with her hair heart tentacle?
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>>13706505
Judging by her demeanor, tendency to job and utter bad luck I'd say it's a good bet that she's Gamlin's.
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>>13707764
I really doubt that she's the daughter of an established character.
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>>13705569
>The CGI in Delta's preview episode looked noticeably worse than even TV Frontier
Any comparison? I have an hard time believing this. I've noticed some wonky models but the missiles trails and most of the effects look really good
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>>13707809
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>>13707659
Highly likely since her VA is a singer too.
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>>13707813
Compared to first episode of TV Frontier. This particular webm is from the official broadcast not the preview.
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>>13707659
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYtSpQxewMQ
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>>13707813
>>13707819

Frontier just looks a lot less busy and it's easier to track what's happening.


I know delta is supposed to be campy/fun but loli ranka nome singing and running onto the battlefield with rounds being shot in her direction at the very end was really fucking retarded to me.
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>>13707813
>>13707819
Thanks.
Yeah, the missiles are better now. Instead maybe the Valks models are worse. I don't see anything wrong with the lightning, it's trying to emulate cheap 2D lightning as usual
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>>13707853
You're fucking blind as shit.
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>>13707855
How about trying to explain in detail instead of acting like a retard?
I seriously hope you don't think the missile circus is better in this Frontier cut. (even though I remember them getting way better in the movies)
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>>13707813
>>13707819
I felt that Frontier action scenes in the first few episodes were much better than the mindless spamming in Delta preview, which actually looked like Frontier most mindless battles.
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>>13707928

Good point, maybe we should compare Valk vs circus scenes. I think Frontier ep 7. had a pretty good one.
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>>13705650
>Ikenai Borderline
I NEED THIS
Apparently the single is out but not on nyaa, I can't seem to find it.
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>>13708180

Here you go anon. Sorry about shitty youtube but it's the best available.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RevRXCfMzBk&list=LLxGxq7lbTLReP7enPVZBKbQ&index=1
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>>13708219
Yea I already have that on youtuberepeater. Thanks though.
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>>13705543
>is having low standards the only way to enjoy mecha nowadays?

Having low standards has always been important to properly enjoying mecha.
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>>13708180
http://sozwap.com/site_view_music.html?cmid=240044435&get-title=ikenai%20BORDERLINE

Please learn to use search engines.
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>>13708219
So it's... Ska?
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>>13708247
I meant the single, but thanks anyways.
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>>13708413
As far as I know all that's out are various digital distribution files. Here's an Amazon version with proper tags if you prefer it. It's the best I've seen up online anyway.

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/7ej0h14jj3vlnwe/AAAD8YbQw9fCF_klLN_ZQ3U2a/%E3%83%AF%E3%83%AB%E3%82%AD%E3%83%A5%E3%83%BC%E3%83%AC/%E3%81%84%E3%81%91%E3%81%AA%E3%81%84%E3%83%9C%E3%83%BC%E3%83%80%E3%83%BC%E3%83%A9%E3%82%A4%E3%83%B3/01%20-%20%E3%81%84%E3%81%91%E3%81%AA%E3%81%84%E3%83%9C%E3%83%BC%E3%83%80%E3%83%BC%E3%83%A9%E3%82%A4%E3%83%B3.mp3?dl=0
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>>13708548
Ah I see. Yea this version is much better, thanks.
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>>13702889
>After all, the VF-25 was the hero unit in Frontier, and it's now the grunt unit in Delta

except it isnt

>masses of pilots getting shot down in canonically superior VF-19 in Macross F

no
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>>13708589
>except it isnt
You see VF-25s as grunt units getting blown up in Delta. Didn't you watch the episode?

>>13708589
Masses of shit, non-plot-protected pilots getting shot down, yeah.
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>>13703374

I don't think you realize how fucking hard piloting something with your brain is. Especially to the point where stray thoughts can affect your piloting
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>>13708592
>You see VF-25s as grunt units getting blown up in Delta. Didn't you watch the episode?
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>>13708612
Fuck me, sorry.
Guess I'm wrong.

Okay so, seeing as the VF-25 has been selected by NUNS as the next mainline VF, why the fuck haven't they got them yet?
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>>13708593
how DID that get past the concept board anyway?
>so you pilot it with your thought?
>why yes it allows for faster reaction time compared to manual controls
>yes, interesting, but what happens when if the pilot is distracted or his mind wanders?
>well we'll just train them to be laser focused on piloting
>right....
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>>13708617

Supposedly, Delta starts somewhere in the galactic boondocks. I'm surprised they're not flying really old-ass -4s or -11s.

>>13708644

Perhaps the prototype has the full, unmitigated version, which hasn't been installed with failsafes and macros and whatnot. Ultimate open-ended control balanced by unmitigated feedback from even the slightest off-key thought.

Since they ripped it out of the design after the Sharon Apple incident, we may never know.
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Where can i find the preview episode with english sub?
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>>13708660
Wait what VF is the grunt VF in Delta? I can't recognize them anymore.
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>>13705607
this
Frontier's pilot was lightyears better than this delta shit
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>>13708769
Looks like they're still using the 171.
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>>13708814
Oh, I guess I can make out the turtle shell back.
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>>13708784
>Implying all of Frontier's pilots were great skill-wise.
Only Ozma, Brera, and later Alto had exemplary piloting skill. The rest were either good or average. You also have to take to consideration the delta Squadron were fighting the Aerial Knights without missiles which is a disadvantage.
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So, am I the only one bothered that Macross 7 was the only show that bothered to show people actually playing instruments?

I mean it was preceded and followed by shows that didn't, and it's the only show to feature actual Rock musicians, but still. Super important idols, nobody cares about who played that phat sax line.
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>>13708833
Because in the end its the singers that really matters. Sadly the rest of the band are just there as support.
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>>13708852
I miss in SDF Macross when music was just the crown jewel on the whole "culture" thing. It wasn't just Minmay singing, it was the whole idea of having something else to life than fighting, like buying keychains and looking lingerie advertisements.
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>>13708832
I'm pretty sure he's referring to the other kind of pilot. As in, the first episode.
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>>13708883
yeah they really lost track of what was so good about SDF but I guess thats what the yellow mountain monkey slant eyed devil audience pays for so fuck us
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>>13708902
Well, music sales and toy sales is what funds these shows, so of course that's pushed to the front and center. A shame really, you'd think the music would be able to sell without literally being the point of the show.
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>>13708888
He made no such reference and responded to this anon. >>13705607

So we assume that they're referring to the actual character pilots since they the ones that matter. We also see no display of skill with the grunts/VF-171 in the pilot episode of Delta and just see them get shot down as soon as they appear.
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>>13708935
Are you dumb?

He even used the singular "pilot". Never said "pilots".
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>>13708935
>Watching Frontier's pilot in comparison to Delta's
I think that makes it clear that he's not talking about the people flying the planes.
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>>13708940
Must you act like a dick and respond with an insulting rhetorical question?

>>13708944
Yeah. Thanks for pointing that out. I was a bit confused since he didn't add the word 'episode' after 'pilot'.
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>>13708888
>>13708935
I'm talking about the PILOT EPISODE
learn to read
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>>13708996
You should write a bit more comprehensively then. As for your comment on Delta's pilot episode that's merely your opinion as I like it as much as Frontier's.
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>>13709026
Sheryl's concert was completely superior, no to mention the atrocious CG
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>>13709064
Again its YOUR opinion. It doesn't make it superior to mine or anyone else's. I equally like Sheryl's and Walkyre's performance and the CG quality in Delta is just the same as Frontier.
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>>13708913
Yep, can't argue with capitalism, free market and all
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>>13709026
How about you just eat that you misread it twice or more and stop derailing the discussion?
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>>13708883
Culture has been on the forefront. In Frontier it was a pretty big deal with integrated mall complete with full size zentraedi clothes, hippo cows, and all those panning scenery porn shots. It pretty much embodied the future the SDF generation sought to build. Which is what made it a sucker punch when the conflict took its toll.

Macross 7 had zentraedi forming a colony fleet and Millia becoming the Leader of a civil government. She had at least two daughters not follow her and Max into the military.

Even Delta showed some off with full sized zentraedi living in close proximity to human sized populations. Hell, they have a stable enough government to organize and fund the public health, not security, task force that is the focus of the show.

Music just happens to be one of the more portable and certainly the loudest expression of culture in the Macross universe.
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>>13709180
How about no. There's no reason to especially when you worded it unclear. And quit falsely accusing me of me of derailing the discussion when I'm still on the thread's topic.
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>>13708883
I think I'd care less if Kawamori could decide on a some concrete in-universe science fiction elements, execution, and even a genre of music instead of just going "What are the kids listening to these days? They're fawning over Idol groups singing cute songs? Lets use that. We'll make it so that it cures a Crossed-style virus so that it makes sense in-setting. Lets throw in some sentai and magical girl stuff, too. Those things sell, right? Just make the VFs strike cool poses and the magical girl stuff tech-based, not like they'll care." I've been told "it's Macross, try not to think about it too hard," and that's exactly the problem; Kawamori doesn't think about anything too hard anymore.

I mean, fuck; Kawamori had to invent the whole entirely new concept of spirita to make the actual, tangible power of rock music in 7 make sense, and even then, it doesn't really make sense.

If he's just inventing newer plot hooks written explicitly around the concept of the (now literal) power of music defeating evil, then maybe he should start taking a bit of a backseat to a director that actually knows how to craft a compelling story premise, one that could use the music angle in a more meaningful fashion. Personally, I don't think Kawamori's particularly talented in that department. He's creative and he can design a mean mech, but his style of story crafting is so haphazard and ludicrous that it's hard to take him seriously anymore.

Ah well, at least we'll get a cool new VF toy out of it. Does the Siegfried have a confirmed gunpod yet? I'd like it more if it did.
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>>13709300
>Does the Siegfried have a confirmed gunpod yet?
Yes, it's been seen in some promotional art and literally in the fucking preview episode
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>>13709300
It's kinda like Star Wars.

You have this thing that has a creative force, sure, but it has different directors, writers, and other people. It turns out to be a big hit and eventually becomes a classic.

Years later they get the "creator" guy out there and makes him do a sequel, but he does so with none of the other people who were attached to the original.

So now Macross is synonymous with Kawamori, and every single subsequent installment has shown more or less the same of his telltale quirks, bad taste and whatnot. The idol aspect which while certainly a part of the original has now ballooned out to be the front and centerpiece, and the military action plays second fiddle to people singing.

Not saying it's all bad, I'm just saying we've seen it elsewhere already.
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>>13709300
Do you want him to just make the same show over and over again? Personally, I like that Macross is willing to go in new directions on a regular basis.

>Does the Siegfried have a confirmed gunpod yet?
Yes, we saw one housed in Mirage's weapon rack in the preview episode.
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>>13709300
>Ah well, at least we'll get a cool new VF toy out of it.
you have grasped the ultimate secret
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>>13709316
That's a strawman argument. Nobody wants something identical to SDF, a lot of people are just puzzled that the first show is so different from the subsequent ones.

Really it seems more like 7 and Frontier (and now Delta, at least judging from the pre-air episode) are "the same". They are all about plucky singers whose songs literally touch upon something in the life of people. It's not even just that people hear the music, but that the music is like a universal force like gravity.

Why is it so bad to wish for something a bit more grounded like Macross Zero that isn't about some wannabe singer, but instead about something else? it's such a rich universe and we are getting this shit again.
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>>13709308
>and literally in the fucking preview episode
I must've missed it. Screencap/timestamp?
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>>13709376
Why don't you google it or watch the episode again instead?
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>>13708612

>this guy is shooting in the opposite direction the knights were coming from

where are all those fucking explosions coming from
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>>13709335
This. macross has messed with the balance of it's main aspects a lot but it feels like it is focusing more and more on making the music super magical and this is really taking it to an extreme.

I'm not even a mostly music focused one couldn't work, but this way just isn't that appealing right now especially because there are so many terrible idol shows around that have awful fanbases. A different direction and not seeming to copy all the boring crap around it would be nice.
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>>13709456
because I'm on my phone and googling it only nets me this vague pic
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>>13709335
>They are all about plucky singers whose songs literally touch upon something in the life of people. It's not even just that people hear the music, but that the music is like a universal force like gravity.
That's not F at all. The songs don't do shit, it's the emotion transmitting through the fold crystals. Ranka being in distress has a more profound effect on the vajra than Sheryl singing her hardest. Ranka trying to convey calming with Aimo doesn't work when she is too upset about Alto and Sheryl being together. It's Ai spending time with her and telling the other vajra that makes them help frontier to fight galaxy.
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>>13709521
>but it feels like it is focusing more and more on making the music super magical
Well, pseudo-biomagical in this case but I share the sentiment. The imagery involved in it is definitely meant to appeal to a fanbase far removed from even the most softcore of sci-fi fans, most notably the magical girl weirdos.
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>>13709561
>most notably the magical girl weirdos.
Exactly. And I'm not even really hating on that element but as much the execution. There is nothing I see in there that makes it look interesting, it just looks like the low hanging anime fruits were picked. The only sort of unique thing is them singing while they are meant to be saving people so that just makes me wonder when they or the VFs are dancing why aren't they saving lives? Occasionally they flick some shield at the end of a move, I guess all the over ones weren't saved cause it didn't fit with the dance routine. It just makes it seem lazy and badly thought out
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>>13709561
>sci-fi fans
>magical girl weirdos
Pick two.
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>>13709604
Magical girls are the not so guilty pleasure of scififags, this is well known fact.
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>>13709618
Speak for yourself, I'm here for the planebots and music, and Delta sucks in both departments and some change, so...
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>>13709376
Right side of the pod hosts a mount for the gunpod.
Left side hosts a recharging system for the Multi-Drones.

Do note that only Hayate's (in the first PV) and Mirage's VF-31s have been shown to have this pod. Chuck's VF-31 has a foldable radome/makeshift concert stage.
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>>13709663
Ah okay...

...Funky looking gunpod, all things considered.
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>>13709641
The episode isn't even finished and has one of the best dogfight in the entire franchise
Stay mad.
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>>13709641
Personally, I'm here for Kawamori's wild ride, so the worldbuilding is what'll make or break the show if you ask me. And so far, things are looking good.

Also, so far I'm liking both the planebots and a decent chunk of the music. But I guess that comes down to >opinions.
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>>13709641

you're either retarded or have shit taste, or both
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>>13709749
>best dogfight in the entire franchise
It was okay, I guess, but best in the series? Not even fucking close.

Even Frontier blows it out of the water.
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>>13709709
Yeah, it threw me off how different it is from the YF-29/30's gunpods. Someone post the high res magazine cover that has a better view of it.
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>>13709895
That looks like shit
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>>13709909
Whatever you say, Deltafag.
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>mfw more artificial fanbase wars
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>>13709981
I've accepted that I'll never properly discuss an airing show on /m/ ever again.
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>>13709521
>This. macross has messed with the balance of it's main aspects a lot but it feels like it is focusing more and more on making the music super magical and this is really taking it to an extreme.
Not really. 7 had songs harm giant alien monsters and shoot beams from their bodies, Zero had them make rocks and planes float. The music aspect of Delta is pretty toned down in comparison.
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>>13709521
So far the music doesn't really seem like magic though.

As far as we can see, they are just calming them down with the song, which is reasonable compared to, say, Basara shooting laser beams from his mouth while screaming.
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There's a theory going around that the Walkure group might be robots or cyborgs. Judging by their transformation and fingernail computers that might be true.
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>>13710047
>The music aspect of Delta is pretty toned down in comparison.
Just because it's not OUTRIGHT magical (and some of it, I'm not so sure I wouldn't classify it as magic-esque, at least) doesn't mean Delta isn't even more guilty of the similar poorly executed bullshit those shows are known for.

For a less extreme example, Gundam is known for some unexplained phenomenon having to do with psycoframe resonance and understanding without misconception. Doesn't mean Unicorn used it well or tastefully, and 00 straight up screwed the pooch with GN-particle UNDERSTANDING-field.

Logical progression =/= good progression. Even then, I wouldn't call it logical progression so much as a complete shift in emphasis and a bizarre, silly portrayal of themes a series is known for.
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>>13709895
>movie
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>>13710130
>might be robots or cyborgs
Well, Reina does apparently lack emotions.
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>>13710130
>Robot idols
It would be cool, an aidoru squad with nothing but Mayuyu Mk 3s.
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>>13710130
>transformation
Hologram concert outfits have been a thing for the entire franchise.
>fingernail computers
So you're saying humans can't wear something like that?

There's really no indication so far that the idols are non-human. Sure, it's a possibility, but there's nothing in the preview episode to support it.
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>>13710134
>For a less extreme example
>time travel in Gundam with zero explanation is fine
>singing idols showing abilities not out of the ordinary for Macross is retarded
Just shut up.
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>>13710186
>time travel
Found the retard
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What are space elves good for?
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>>13710186
>time travel
There's a difference between seeing time and actually traveling through it. Seeing time is something they were talking about since 0079.
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>>13710215

DEY IZ GUD FUH CUDDLIN' AND BRUSHIN' DEY HAIR AND STUFF
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>>13710227
Basically this. But again, logical progression =/= good progression, as Unicorn helpfully demonstrated.
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>>13709787
Liking Borderline is a pretty telling example of shit taste in music, anon.
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>>13710232
>Unicorn
>logical progression
How? The full body psycoframe makes sense.
The hologram outfits in Macross existed since DYRL and have been shown to progress somewhat, with Sharon projecting a huge hologram of herself in Plus and later in Frontier where the stage, singer and even the audience interacts with each other via the holograms.
A portable version of the hologram system as implied in Delta is logical.
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>>13710247
>makes sense.
People keep saying this in defense of things like it's synonymous for "not shit."
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>>13710254
If we never saw holographic transformations before then it wouldn't make any sense and it'd be retarded, but we've seen this kind of technology before. It's nothing really strange. Hell, even the flying boomerang droids are just a more advanced version of the flying microphones from Macross 7.
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>>13710254
The full body makes sense as a logical progression of the tech, but since its psycoframe, its fucking magic as far as we are concern.

The complains we got of Delta so far have somewhat logical explanations or were there since the beginning.
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>>13710273
>The complains we got of Delta so far have somewhat logical explanations or were there since the beginning.

Really? Because a lot of the complaints I'm seeing for Delta have more to do with messy appropriation of popular genre conventions, particularly with it's general artstyle with the idols, the quirky, yet clumsy adorable female lead, not-technically-magical-but-might-as-well-be-magical girl shenanigans, sentai imagery, and the establishment of the most generic of generic anime girl archetypes with the most boring (yet I suppose marketable, considering the average idol group's popularity these days) music I've ever heard in a Macross show. That last one is pretty damning for a Macross series in my eyes.

If I had to use a description that would describe Delta's preview episode perfectly, it would be "completely risk-free considering horrible modern Japanese audience trends." It's "trendy" and not in a good way. If you're a fan of those trends, more power to you, I guess, but don't try to deny that Delta's trying extra hard to be as marketable as possible.
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>>13698872
I bet her rack is huge once she takes off her uniform. Man Hayate is one lucky man.
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>>13710652
Considering Macross reflected the industry's trends since the beginning(80s idols in SDF, 90s J-rock in 7, J-pop singers in Frontier), having an idol group is expected.

Besides, following the trends does not necessarily mean its bad, we haven't seen how the idol group are used in the plot outside of them working to deal with Var syndrome victims.
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>>13710652
Frontier had a number of the issues you're talking about, albeit to a lesser degree, but I think the fact that the main team's VF's more subtle color palattes probably helped a lot. The VF-31 team's technicolor dreamcoat formation is kind of tacky looking in comparison, and the general profile doesn't look quite as neat and clean as the VF-25, especially in battroid mode (a problem shared by the VF-30)
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>>13710693
>Besides, following the trends does not necessarily mean its bad,
It does when the trends suck.
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>>13710707
That's subjective, anon.
I loved all three songs played in Delta so far.
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>>13710707
The trends always sucked, anon. Well, except maybe in the 90's. Plus and 7 pulled elements from some good trends.

But the point is, "good trends" have never really been responsible for Macross being good. Macross has been responsible for Macross being good. And I don't think that's changed yet.
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>>13710707
>It does when the trends suck.
Or it's trends you don't like.
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GIRI GIRI AI!

I'm going to be severely disappointed if the rest of the sound track isn't as catchy.
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>>13710694
>The VF-31 team's technicolor dreamcoat formation is kind of tacky looking
Not tacky enough, you mean.
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>>13710672
>Lucky
>Believing a filthy xenos can win a human's heart
That only happened in 7, and even then she died on the way back to her home planet.
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>>13710802
Milia Falina
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>>13710827
Didn't marry the main character, wasn't a main heroine.

>Ranka
>Sharon
>Guld

All lost.
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>>13710852
>soon Freyja
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>>13710873
>soon Mirage
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>>13710802
And in Zero. Sara wasn't human.
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>>13710694
>The VF-31 team's technicolor dreamcoat formation is kind of tacky looking in comparison
>Having a problem with the Siegfried's when Sound Force exists
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>>13710888
Sara and Mao were as human as they come. They're just magical darkies.
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>>13710932
or the Jamming Birds.
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>>13710932
>>13710944
I still can't fucking believe there are people who are okay with 7 but not okay with Delta.
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>>13710992
If anything Walkure is a better Sound Force. They actually try to protect citizens instead of only singing and doing nothing else. Basara would sing and do nothing else while other pilots were being blown up. I even remember one episode when the Varuta forces show up and start blowing shit up during a festival. What does Basara do? Hop in his Fire Valkyrie and sings. That's it. If Walkure was there they'd at least try and protect people with the multi-drones. At least in a few episodes Basara did fight back but he'd still complain about having to fight.
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>>13711022
All the more stronger that scene is when Gamlin blocks Basara's one and only shot of anger and chastises him for it.
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>>13710932
Disliking Delta doesn't automatically mean you like 7.
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>>13710992
Personally I think it's funny most people's only defense for Delta is "7 was worse."
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>>13711117
No, that's a defense against people who claim that 7 is okay but Delta isn't.

In defense of Delta as Delta, it has a likable cast so far, some decent dogfighting, and the war of Ragna vs Windemere is a good setup. The music is also subjectively pretty good.
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>>13711122
>it has a likable cast so far,
Annoyingly aloof faggot, loli fapbate, and a bunch of so-far personalityless idolmaster ripoffs? I disagree.

>some decent dogfighting,
Decent but nothing special.

>and the war of Ragna vs Windemere is a good setup.
It'll be nice to see some actual worldbuilding beyond "colonies exist."

>The music is also subjectively pretty good.
I don't think the music was all that great, but honestly? I have to give it credit for not being typical high-pitched squeeling JPop idol bullshit.
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>>13711148
>It'll be nice to see some actual worldbuilding beyond "colonies exist."
I mean they already have done some with the introduction of Freya and her people. Chuck also seems to be a new race and they did mention a few new planets.
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For people claiming Mirage sucks and isn't a good pilot and can't live up to her family's name...

Remember Mylene? She was just as shit, if not worse.
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>>13711155
>She was just as shit
She was good

She jumped into Milia's VF-1, kicked ass, and even Milia was impressed.
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>>13711148
You haven't watched [email protected] if you think the Walkure are anything like them.
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>>13711166
You're right, the idolmaster girls had personalities.
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>>13711179
My point is, you're judging Delta on literally the most trivial shit.

You don't like it. Fine.
You know what's not fine? The fact that you're still gonna watch it, and you're gonna spend the next nine fucking months shitting the threads up with all your bitching about it.
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>>13711185
>You know what's not fine? The fact that you're still gonna watch it, and you're gonna spend the next nine fucking months shitting the threads up with all your bitching about it.
I actually wasn't planning on it but now I'm going to just to spite you, specifically.

And I'm going to screenshot this thread so that when people start crying about how annoying it is that people keep shitting up Delta threads with endless bitching, they can know that it's entirely your fault.
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>>13711188
No, it's your fault.
Don't blame me because you're a spiteful little troll just looking for an excuse to keep trolling.

See, I was watching Gundam IBO. But eventually, my interest in the show waned. Did I keep watching it to spite others? No. Did I keep going to the threads so I could complain about it? I didn't. Do you know why? Because I have better things to do with my time than spend it doing things I don't like so I can spite people I don't like.

Seriously, this is your plan? "I'm gonna keep watching Delta so I can complain about it! Mwahahahah!".
Move the fuck on with your life and go watch something you do like instead.
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>>13711195
Nope, sorry faggot. You can tell yourself it's not your fault all you want but when the day comes, you'll remember, it never would have happened if you weren't such a massive faggot.
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>>13711200
Hey, I'm not the one who's decided that they're gonna deliberately waste their time on someone who won't even remember this conversation by the time the anime starts airing. And you're gonna whip out a screencap proving how you "won", three months from now? I'll probably see it and not even remember that they were my posts.
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>>13707570
>Getting caught by an unexpected jamming attack

Yes it is, everyone else in her family would have just dealt with it and still come out on top.
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>>13711323
>everyone else in her family would have just dealt with it
Says who? Komilia and Mylene were the only ones confirmed as pilots in their family. And its not jobbing simply because Mirage wasn't shot down and still continued to fight and took down at least a drone. Besides you can't expect every member in Jenius family to be gifted as Max or Milia. Talent and skill aren't passed to your offsprings.
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>>13703374
>He could only do anything because he had the brain control stuff and a far more advanced VF.

The YF-19 has superior raw performance. Guld's design is more cutting edge, but Isamu had access to more power.
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>>13711369
>Talent and skill aren't passed to your offsprings.

Oh yes it is.
She's a dud.
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>>13710186
Mate, he actually said that Unicorn's use of Newtype phenomena wasn't good. He was using it as an example of how something can be logically connected to a previously established ability, but is executed poorly. Which is also his opinion on Walkure - it can be extrapolated from previous Macross works, but that doesn't mean that it's executed well.

Personally I don't agree with him on either point, but well, you know, that's just, like, my opinion, man.
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>>13711431
>Oh yes it is.
You're an idiot to think that. If talent was passed on then through one's offspring then children of exemplar athletes like Michael Jordan should also be naturally talented. And there's no proof that she's dud either as there's not enough combat showing her skill. You're just quickly writing her off since you don't like her.
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>>13710932
7 kind of gets a minor pass in that department because they are excessively customized civilian VFs that are all part of a band formation that goes out of it's way to avoid combat and sing instead, not to mention all different models. It'd be weird if they weren't as quirky as possible.
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>>13709582
>The only sort of unique thing is them singing while they are meant to be saving people

Nope that's not new but derivative from a certain other Kawamori anime.
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>>13711464
Not to mention 7 had a far more charming artstyle. Delta's idoru faces give me diabetes.
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Get off the front page, Mirage.
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>>13711446
Real world genetics aren't terribly important when discussing a piece of fiction. It's not so much that we think that she should have inherited a genetic predisposition to piloting (though as she's half-Zentran her resistance to g forces should be better than either Arad or Messer), but rather she is a character carrying the name of Macross Valkyrie royalty. That carries weight.

Getting caught by the jamming attack is one thing, and not having Arad's experience is another, but having her actually be out of sync with the rest of Delta, and having Hayate actually note that her piloting skills aren't up to scratch, is pretty galling.

The name 'Fallyna Jenius' means something in terms of Macross history, and it's specifically related to 'being a skilled pilot.' Instead the ace of Delta is this shingami dude. Who the fuck is Messer? Why the fuck should I care?

Obviously it's just the first, and not even complete, episode, but Kawamori wears his heart on his sleeve. I think we can make reasonable judgments based on it. Hayate's dancing in his worker destroid is setting him up to be suitable as a backing dancer for Walkure, and his noting that Mirage is out of time is setting up that she is less suitable. I think that's a strange thing to do with the Fallyna Jenius name. Mirage is probably the third point on the triangle so we'll see what the show does with her in time, but it's not promising when a fucking fishman named Chuck is a better pilot.
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>>13711478
>Half
You mean quarter? The only way she's half is if both her parents are half as well.
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>>13710134
>and understanding without misconception.

That's a misconception every director after Tomino has.

Fucking newtypes misunderstand each other all the fucking time in the original trilogy and most of the time its do to the newtype hax.
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>>13710753
IKENAII BORDERLINE
So catchy
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>>13711478
>Real world genetics aren't terribly important when discussing a piece of fiction.
Maybe. But we still can't simply assume that she should have similar skill and talent as Max Milia just because she also bears their last names and provided she's blood-related.

>having her actually be out of sync with the rest of Delta, and having Hayate actually note that her piloting skills aren't up to scratch, is pretty galling
She was only late for a split second when they took off after their little dance. Personally I think Hayate was just being nitpicky about it else the rest of the Delta squadron would've taken notice of it.

>but it's not promising when a fucking fishman named Chuck is a better pilot
That still remains to be seen. Until we see Mirage in more combat it won't be fair to quickly judge her skill with an unfinished episode.
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>>13711483
I don't think her parents both being half-Zentran is that unlikely, but given that Ranka was vacuum resistant, being a quarter is still pretty meaningful.
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>>13708548

Thanks for the upload anon.

I've been looking for a proper rip for a while.
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>>13711446
She is a disgrace to her name. Clearly she self exile herself out of shame.
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>>13711547
You don't know that and you just speculating. None of us do right now with how little information we have.
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>>13711478
That's not all.
To me, the most telling thing is that Mikumo ditched her.
They get assigned to do covert reconnaissance together, and literally the first fucking thing Mikumo does is ditch her? That makes me think that Mirage has a history of fucking up covert ops, and Mikumo already knows that it'll be easier without her. And she's goddamn right, too.
Mirage gets distracted from her Var recon work, chases after a random, unrelated stowaway, arrests the wrong person, reveals her identity to two complete strangers, one of which is a criminal, etc... She literally fucks up every single thing she does. It's not just the piloting. She's incompetent on every level.
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You guys are being way too hard on Mirage.

And rightfully so, she is a QT
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>>13711558
incredible density
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>>13711561
>It's not just the piloting. She's incompetent on every level.
If Mirage was so damn incompetent then why is she even in the Delta Squadron? Surely they have requirements which are even higher than the standard NUNS pilot. Not to mention she would have been discharged from duty if she was so incompetent. Mirage certainly has issues but incompetency is unlikely.

>>13711571
Incredible cool story. If only you actually had evidence to back it up.
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>>13711561
The first time I watched the episode I actually totally missed Arad dissing Mirage. I was willing to forgive Mikumo ditching Mirage because she's a bit of a stiff and so makes undercover work difficult, because that's characterful, but there really is a lack of respect that runs through the whole episode.

It's cool to have a Fallyna Jenius in the cast, a Zentraedi in the triangle is great, her design is great, I think Seto's performance is good and honestly it feels like a breaking a thousand year drought by having a chick in the pit of a Valkyrie (Klan's brief piloting of the 25G notwithstanding). There's so much potential here, stop squandering it, Shoji.
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>>13711609
>If Mirage was so damn incompetent then why is she even in the Delta Squadron?
Because she's a Jenius.

>>13711611
Actually, I think this is brilliant. I wouldn't be surprised if Mirage never even wanted to be a pilot, but was pressured into it by her family. I feel like her story arc is going to be her accepting what she really wants to be and not just trying to live up to her family name.
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>>13711777
>Because she's a Jenius.
Please spare me the bullshit. Name recognition doesn't give her a free pass. Just accept the fact she's part of the team because she's capable to do the job. She's just green and needs experience.
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>>13711873
Oh, she's competent enough. But the other pilots are clearly on a different level.
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>>13711875
>But the other pilots are clearly on a different level.
Only Messer and Arad are proven to be better than her. Chuck however is still questionable.
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>>13711877
Really? I didn't see any problems. He's a goofy guy, but he hasn't shown any signs of incompetence.

Mirage screwed up like, five or six different ways in a single episode. Her own colleagues made fun of her. Even a complete stranger noticed.

Clearly this is going to be an important part of her character arc.
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>>13711878
>Mirage screwed up like, five or six different ways in a single episode.
Please elaborate.

>Her own colleagues made fun of her
She's green and lacked experience. Why do think Arad called naive?

>Even a complete stranger noticed
You mean Hayate noticing her slightly late? That only happened when they took off after their little dance and she was only late by a split second. That's hardly called screwing up and Hayate looking to much into it.
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So if I want to catch up with the whole macross series, is this the best batch to dl? Does it have everything?
http://www.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=580792
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>>13711891
>Please elaborate.
She and Mikumo go to the surface of the planet to do some covert recon. Mikumo instantly ditches her because she knows Mirage will blow their cover, indicating that Mirage already has history of doing so.
Mirage proceeds to forget her mission and starts chasing down some unrelated stowaway.
She ends up arresting the wrong person.
She ends up telling two complete strangers her identity, one of which she just mistakenly arrested, and the other a criminal stowaway.
During the concert performance, her movements are sluggish and lag behind the other pilots.
During the concert performance, the other pilots respond to and assist their respective idols without a single word said, while Makina had to specifically call Mirage for assistance, indicating that Mirage isn't paying attention to the status of the Multi-Drones.
During the dogfight, she's the only pilot to get pinned down and require saving while fighting a single enemy VF.
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>>13710104
I don't think it's a LITERAL laser beam, just showing the spiritia.
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>>13711446
It's confirmed that she's the least skilled pilot of Delta squadron, at least. The preview episode alone had nearly a half dozen scenes intended to drive that point home.

Granted, "worst pilot in a unique squad of top aces" means she's still pretty skilled. But she still has quite a ways to go before she can claim to be on par with her grandparents.
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>>13711529
>else the rest of the Delta squadron would've taken notice of it.
Who says they didn't?

They're in the middle of a battle, they have better things to be doing than calling their rookie out on sluggish dancing. It'll probably get brought up once the battle's over.
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>>13711532
Macross Frontier introduced all these weird mutation gimmicks, with Ranka having demon hair and vacuum resistance, and Klan being a pedophiles dream.
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>>13711920
>Who says they didn't?
I was referring to their "dance". The battle was already over though temporarily since the Aerial Knights came into the planet. She was late by a mere split second and only when they took off. That's not screwing up the performance.
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>>13711907
>Mikumo instantly ditches her because she knows Mirage will blow their cover, indicating that Mirage already has history of doing so.
Honestly that's quite unprofessional of Mikumo andthe others if she can't tell that to Mirage directly. How does she expect her to learn anything if she's kept in the dark?

>Mirage proceeds to forget her mission and starts chasing down some unrelated stowaway.
She didn't. There was a runaway suspect and its also her job to enforce the law since she's also military officer.

>She ends up arresting the wrong person.
When you see a man on top of girl and she's resisting him who wouldn't think he was trying force himself onto her?

>She ends up telling two complete strangers her identity
There's nothing wrong with that especially since she's has military rank and law enforcer. And its not like being part of the Delta Squadron is a secret.

>During the concert performance, her movements are sluggish and lag behind the other pilots.
No she wasn't. She was only late by a split second when took off after their dance. That's not screwing up at all.

>During the concert performance, the other pilots respond to and assist their respective idols without a single word said, while Makina had to specifically call Mirage for assistance, indicating that Mirage isn't paying attention to the status of the Multi-Drones.
Come on. That's bullshit. You're saying Mirage has to have telepathy whenever Walkure requests for support. She did her job well on that.

>During the dogfight, she's the only pilot to get pinned down and require saving while fighting a single enemy VF.
First of she was attacked by a jamming system by surprise. Any of them could have been subject to that and need assistance from their wingman. Second she got hit but not shot down and continued to fight. Again she didn't screw up there.

Seriously, you're just downplaying Mirage so much over some trivial matters. She's may lack experience but far from being incompetent.
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>>13712028
Then why have the other characters make note of it?
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>>13712031
Seeing how quickly you replied you didn't read my comment else you wouldn't be asking that.
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>>13712041
I read your entire post.
The critical part is here:
>No she wasn't. She was only late by a split second when took off after their dance. That's not screwing up at all.
And I disagree entirely. If this wasn't important, then why have Hayate make note of it?
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>>13712028
She's not incompetent, but she's noticeably behind the rest of the squadron. None of the points >>13711907 brought up portray her as outright incompetent, but they ARE mistakes, and not entirely trivial ones. She's far from perfect, and is clearly lagging behind the rest of the squadron.

>She was only late by a split second when took off after their dance. That's not screwing up at all.
Considering the rest of the pilots were perfectly synchronized, "late by a split second" is still notable.

>You're saying Mirage has to have telepathy whenever Walkure requests for support.
He's saying that she needs to become experienced enough to monitor the situation on the battlefield and notice where she's needed, like the rest of the pilots.

>Any of them could have been subject to that and need assistance from their wingman.
They tried a similar trick against Arad and he shut them down hard. And he's not even the squad's ace.
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So is her story arc in this show gonna be how everyone expects her to be a perfect pilot because of her family legacy, but she's fighting to merely be adequate and it is ruining her self-image?

Then she starts singing or something.
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>>13712067
Probably.

I doubt she'll start singing, though. She might, but it's more likely that she'll just git gud.
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>>13712049
>If this wasn't important, then why have Hayate make note of it?
Hayate just has a keen eye and just being nit picky on it. And like I said it only happened when they took off for only a split second which doesn't mean screwed up. You're just blowing it out of proportion.
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>>13712075
I'd agree if that were the only thing... but it isn't. Mirage screwed up multiple times in multiple ways.
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>>13712094
>Mirage screwed up multiple times in multiple ways.
Like I said she didn't screw up. She may committed a few mistakes and not to the degree you're making it out to be. Again you're blowing it out of proportion and implying she's incompetent when she just lacks experience.
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>>13712106
A lack of experience is a cause.
Incompetence is a symptom.
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>>13712112
Oh please, that's complete bull. Incompetence is having absolutely not using their abilities to do their job or task which Mirage has proven to be capable of. You're just trying too hard to make her look far worse than she really.

Which again begs my question earlier. Why is she even in Delta Squadron if she's incompetent?
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>>13712143
Because she's a Jenius and she's trying to live up to her family name.

And she's competent enough to get by.

Y'know, up until she gets showed up by a complete newbie like Hayate, presumably. Then the pressure will really clamp down on her.
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>>13712143
She's not incompetent. Her skills are quite passable.

But passable isn't going to be enough to get by for the whole series. There are a lot of expectations placed on her, both as a Jenius and as a member of Delta Squadron. She's going to have to improve.
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>>13712148
>Because she's a Jenius and she's trying to live up to her family name.
As I've mentioned before name recognition doesn't give her a free pass. If she really is of Max and Milia's family they won't allow that know too well she's has to earn her position for it.

>And she's competent enough to get by.
So now you're backing out on your previous statements that she's incompetent and a screw up? Make up your mind please.
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>>13712170
I never claimed that she was incompetent and I consider her quite the opposite. I was merely challenging anon here >>13711907 >>13712049
>>13712094 who insists that she is incompetent and a screw up with that question. But I agree with you that she does needs to improve.
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>>13712199
And I was contending that you're right about her not being incompetent, but the guy you were arguing with was correct on the rest of his points.
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>>13712185
There's this thing called nepotism, where because of your name and/or who you are related to you find yourself in a position that you perhaps aren't the most suited for. Sometimes it wasn't really what you wanted, but you kinda had to.
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>>13712301
>the guy you were arguing with was correct on the rest of his points
Then you're moron to actually believe his points are correct as he obviously blew some of them way out of proportion. Some of them aren't even mistakes in the first place and he looking for something to discredit Mirage. Like I said she shouldn't make it or last in Delta squadron if she was incompetent. Plain and simple.

>>13712359
Nepotism means shit for a specialized tactical group aimed to counter an dangerous unknown phenomena. Mirage has to prove that she is at least competent to do the job else the whole operation could become a failure. Like I said to Max and Milia would never let any of their kin get free pass to such a position. And believe Mirage has some pride not to allow that either.
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>>13711777
>I feel like her story arc is going to be her accepting what she really wants to be

A hard rock star.
>Mirage makes a rock band
>Ends up being more effective than idols
>Delta is saved by a JENIUS

All would be forgiven and she can keep her name.
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