You will soon learn that Fafner threads don't die (yet)
>Barely a character
But I enjoyed how her character got flipped upside down. She goes from being someone who wants to learn how to take care of the islands core into someone who has to be taken care of by the islands core.
Also she tried to fight Altair all on her own. She's a real warrior woman.
I like Rina.
You may say that but she has one of the deepest SDPs (can't eat + devour enemy liforforce) and bonding with Orihime moments, she is arguably the most important gen. 2 pilot. Akira/Rina were more important at the end and Hiroto in the middle, but Seri is always almost a main character.
>Now that the dust as settled you say?
You faggots won me over with your constant praise. I'm just starting. Anything else I need besides these?
t b h
You should get the [Festum] release of RoL
Also, be prepared for a ton of mistranslations in Exodus thanks to "based" Crunchyroll
None will ever top the original Goubain.
I keep G gundam and Dai-guard on my hard drive for a reason.
I'll just get both and skim through festum then. Not like these are heavy encodes.
Thank you the information. This goes for all of you.
>people bitch at me for calling the NUNS characters memorable
I honestly didn't know any of their names until I came to /m/ in s2 and saw people talking about them, but they grew on me. I fell in love with them at the end. Keith and Dustin had some of the best fights versus Maya of the final episodes.
That's just retard-kun.
He can't handle the fact that despite the NUNS doing horrible things, they had their reasons that made sense from their perspective and weren't just cartoon villains. He thinks Hester was actually able to do more than track Azazel movement, and that she launched the attack on Hawaii with Roadrunner over Emery and Narian despite the fact that anyone with brain realized those two hadn't met yet and Ashoka hadn't drawn Esperantos to itself yet.
Trying to argue whether they were memorable isn't the problem its when it comes down to how well they were written is when things get sticky. As this anon>>13696694 points out their actions make sense, Festum are cunts any sensible person would not want to follow the options of a bunch of hippie deserters on an island where they worship a huge fetus. However in the context of this story they come off as being dumb or arrogant and manage to make things worse in comparison to the islanders luckily Fafner is the type of story that doesn't spare any punches to the cast involve because if this was written by anyone other than Tow the NUNs would fall into stereotypical cartoon villian territory instead of just stupid Americans. They offer a gray mindset to the story I just wish they got more development so they didn't feel like dead weight for the cast to clean up after.
Actually I see it as quite pitiful. Many of them seemed like good people, if they got a therapy session with Kazuki they could be probably saved and join the crew, but unlike Canon there was no time for that and nobody was looking out for them. It's sad and pointless but it shows how many sacrifices there were outside the blessed few, and we got some good fight out of it. I mean fucking shit.
Continued: Maya was going Kira Yamato on their asses disabling their fenrirs and it was a riot. The webm should show that too, Maya had great fights these last few episodes and felt like a gundam pilot, fighting humans.
When I get back home next week I'll whip something together.
Kills anyone would like to see included?
She wasn't "going Kira Yamato"
She didn't aim to kill anyone. She was shooting off those Ariels' wings and took away their abilities to fight.
As the person that made that webm, I was just doing that specifically and only to show Keith dying.
Anyways, why don't you just make your own webms instead of telling other people what "should" be shown
but you could also just gimme a few minutes and I'll post the scene in question as I realize I didn't make one.
While some soldiers like Ai were sympathetic because they truly did wanted to save the world others like Keith and Dustin are harder to sympathize with and as you said come off as crazy. Johnathen and Billy are kinda just dumb the difference being that the former is literally a puppet. All of them are better characters than Yukippe who was just a bitch who got what she deserved unfortunately that meant costing the lives of others in the process. Hester really just comes off as haughty and not willing to drop her pride due to what she stands for, S2 did a good job if bringing that out even if it was just for one episode, she definitely embodies what I think of the NUNs as a whole though I wouldn't call her stupid either.
Canon is in a weird place because she was much like Johnathen but more susceptible to change so it is good that Kazuki got to her before she turned out like him.
Dustin's actions make sense from his perspective, especially if you've seen the extended version of episode 1. They're pretty consistent all the way through; the only thing he does that really breaks the pattern is rescuing Billy from the Exodus, and it's obvious why he did that.
I don't think Canon was more susceptible, they just got to her quicker. Fafner/festum stuff seems similar to newtype understanding - just because you understand each other doesn't mean you don't hate each other, sometimes with Canon you get to them, other times like Jonathan he wasn't that good friends with Kazuki and Soushi, even though he was an equally nice guy, no one asked him is he there until after he got mindraped and killed Ai and many people.
>Dustin's actions make sense from his perspective
Sure, but that really doesn't matter. He still is a villain as far as the show is concerned.
And, also Birry and Ai were at Hawaii and they still heeded the call of Kibou until one's sibling was killed, and getting noscoped, respectively.
Dustin had small scenes like this and the extended first episode that gave him enough reasoning that made sense, but didn't excuse a lot of the stuff he did.
>from his perspective
Yes "his perspective" but he's not sympathetic and is a terrible human being we just get why he does the shit he does which is fine since the show isn't trying to make light of his actions like so many other Japanese media do with antagonist. Understanding why a person does what he does isn't the ssme as sympathizing with them that's what make the NUNs far better characters than the Vers Empire who's actions did not make sense but the show still wanted you to sympathize with their plight.
It's not obligatory, but it's really good and fleshes out Shoko's and Koyo's personalities a lot better than the first half of the TV series. It also explains how Festum learned about Tatsumiya and shows how children spend their free time on the island. Oh, and Soshi is a bit different
Sadly, there is no Seri+Zwölf. The only other pic like that, that I managed to find, is Canon as her first Fafner
Sorry for the delay. Got distracted.
I'm fully aware that this is all cut out of order, but I really like how it flows.
Just a reminder
This is the the state of the world to a ground level NUNS/Human Army member
You are fighting a losing battle against aliens that have made large portions of the world uninhabitable and killed a majority of the worlds population.
The Information Age is dead where you could learn stuff on your own outside government sanctioned outlets, because there are no satellites because the Festum destroyed them all. If any news needs to be told to a large number of people it comes at the risk of the people broadcasting.
Your enemy is merciless, compassionless, and strong. Communicating with the enemy can get you killed. Not only can it get you killed but the information you know can be used to kill other people. Thus you don't question why you aren't privy to all details if you're in the army because if the enemy mercs you, you've just given them vital information.
Then you hear about these islands of Japanese refugees. Who have super advanced technology, who are preforming human experimentation on their kids using the enemy dna. Who don't help anyone because they got nuked when a clear infestation of the enemy had made a foot hold, was sterilizing them, and was likely getting ready to sterilize the entire world because the enemy has no mercy. Hell, the enemy is likely getting stronger because it's learning how to fight better because they've got the super advanced stuff. So now you're fighting a stronger enemy and the people who are making the enemy stronger are telling you "Tough shit, you're on your own"
So you hate those fuckers, so when the order comes to bomb the shit out of them, you don't question it.
The real cause of conflict in Fafner is the lack of information and inability to communicate. That's the real destruction of humanity that Festum have caused. The destruction of the ability to communicate.
>Just a reminder
Pretty much everyone is aware of this.
It still doesn't change the fact that the bulk of the NUNs have done a whole lot of inhumane shit.
Another big theme of Fafner is that of "humanity" and the NUNs have proved time and time again that they aren't worthy of that.
>Not only can it get you killed but the information you know can be used to kill other people.
The islanders have this problem too. RoL deals with it.
"Deceive your allies before deceiving your enemies"
>the people who are making the enemy stronger are telling you "Tough shit, you're on your own"
Not entirely. Tatsumiyajima took place in the Heaven's Door Op, of their own volition. They were even prepared to give up Sechs, albeit under threat of invasion. Also, their deal to get Maya back was to exchange Nicht, but they sweetened the pot with the Einherjar plans.
If the NUNs were so concerned about preventing the Festum from learning things, they should have never tried to use Vagrant for their purposes in the first place.
Also, the cult-like fanaticism most of the Argos members have is pretty vitriolic and unhealthy. It's also not as if there aren't more temperate heads in the NUN, Narain and Kamal come to mind.
As a grunt NUN you've got a choice, which is another important element to Fafner. Do you choose to be an asshat and accept everything you're told, or do you choose to risk everything and follow some rumors of a mystical island like the soldiers that joined Perseus did in the search for hope?
Everyone has a choice.
Personally, if I was a grunt and I'd heard about an island that had kickass power and even peace, I'd be trying my damnedest to get their veterans working with us, and I sure as shit wouldn't wanna be shooting them.
The mantra of "they are part festum, they must die," doesn't hold up in Exodus especially where everyone piloting the new NUN Fafners has to have the Makabe Factor implanted to allow them to pilot their mechs.
Anyhow, lotta good points.
>If the NUNs were so concerned about preventing the Festum from learning things, they should have never tried to use Vagrant for their purposes in the first place.
That's part of the problem though. Those in power whoa aren't on the front lines likely don't know a lot of stuff. They likely don't know that the island was willing to give the Sechs. Besides those who participated in the operations, they likely don't know that they tried to bomb the island twice.
The Argos members were likely selected because they demonstrated the kind of mind set that those in power want for dirty jobs.
They don't question their orders, they just do it. Whether it be because they justify all their actions like Dustin, or they're just scumbags who don't care like Keith and the guy who was jizzing over getting a Nothung model.
It's why Fumihiko's BIRD plan worked, because he literally info dumped information to people and actually got them to think. It also goes to show the corruption by those higher in power, because Eyepatch guy was just going to start shooting anyone who wasn't going to fight.
Festum may have destroyed communication, but those in power certainly have taken advantage of it, much in the same way that the Argos platoon has. Those who feel they're working for the greater good and thus the ends justify the means, and those who are just serving themselves.
>The mantra of "they are part festum, they must die," doesn't hold up in Exodus especially where everyone piloting the new NUN Fafners has to have the Makabe Factor implanted to allow them to pilot their mechs.
That mantra is once again something that gets twisted. You have the true believers like Hester whose planning to sacrifice any human who has been contaminated for the sake of the pure minority, and then you have the Keith's who just use it as an excuse to kill people.
It's different shades of evil. Zealotry vs being a Scumbag
>the guy who was jizzing over getting a Nothung model.
Which reminds me, most NUNs still seem to have some kind of hero worship towards Makabe of the "Makabe factor". They do know that he came from D Island, but in that case, do they just not know that they might be killing him, or not care?
Once again, they live in an age with barely any information being passed around freely.
They only know what information the higher ups LET them know.
I mean fuck, Ai, Johnathan, and Billy say Kazuki worked with the Nuns to develop the factor/Salvator model.
They don't know shit. Hell, the Srinigar group probably knew more than any other group because that had Emery talking with Miwa and thus Emery could actually give them unfiltered information at times and even they weren't properly informed.
Not that anon, but remember we did have a few spies actively trying to kill him.
Tatsumiya are known collaborators with Narain's group, with ROE Alpha in effect they're all just monsters from the NUN point of view, if they question their orders they're monsters too. It took until the scene you posted for anyone to realize, hey, maybe we're being lied to about these guys.
Explain assimilation to me.
"Are you there?"
If you respond you are fucked, however if you have the Makabe Factor and shout "I am here!" you can resist it. However, depending on your willpower you may or may not be powerful enough. "Not being there" makes you more susceptible to assimilation.
>Explain assimilation to me
"Are you there?" is a targeting system
Responding = Target Locked.
No response = Looking for target
Assimilation is an attack by Festum in which it eats it's target either through physical contact or mental contact.
Success of assimilation is
Mental Power of Target - Mental Power of Festum = If Targets Mental Power is still positive, Target is not assimilated. If Targets Mental power is negative, target is assimilated.
Cores function as buffer that prevents Festum Mental Attack.
Physical contact is far more effective because it's overwhelming them on both a physical and mental front to assimilate them.
Successful assimilation provides a net gain of the targets knowledge and physical assimilation allows you convert your targets physical form into matter to repair yourself
Okay one thing I want to make clear, since it always comes up. Is the "Makabe Factor" really anything all that unique?
As far as we know it comes from samples of Kazuki taken when the NUN had him hostage back in DA, it just didn't come up until Exodus. I would think that any active Tatsumiya pilot would do the job just as well though, he was only there by circumstance. It's basically just a secondhand strain of the Festum Factor the kids all have.
That does bring up questions when Michio was right there, but he had never piloted a Nothung Model at that point, and would have had no Factor "boosters" in years. Kazuki was a newer generation of genetic knowledge, and had been actively piloting. So unless I'm missing something, it could have just as easily come from Maya or Kenji or Mamoru or someone if the situation was different.
Kazuki's synergetic code being closest to the golden ratio probably does contribute to how his genes might be more effective than others, to the point it could turn people who aren't even eligible into pilot candidates.
>it could have just as easily come from Maya or Kenji or Mamoru or someone if the situation was different.
Probably so, although I get the feeling a better SC number like Maya's or Kazuki's (or iirc Kouyou's was pretty good) would be better.
Any kid probably could have worked from Kazuki's generation but Kazuki's being the nearest to the ideal likely factored in too.
The whole "Makabe Factor" thing is more than likely more propaganda by the upper NUNS.
"Now you as well can be injected with the Factor of the Legendary Ace Pilot who defeated Polaris. You can have the power to fight the Festum menace as Makabe did."
The Factor itself is probably what is also allowing all these people older than Michio pilot without expiring. It's being used as an extension
Oh come on it was pretty shocking at the time. They hadn't killed off major characters in DA for a while. The kids were somewhat successful and then mamoru had to go like that. It was both tragic and gruesome, especially when his father and mother saw his remains in the pod. In hindsight character death seems normal in fafner but mamoru's death was very shocking.
Mamoru probably would have ended up an awkward third wheel if he had survived and Kenji and Sakura got together.
>It's a Mamoru gets un-tang'd episode
>All the pilots are in the sick bay
>No Rina or Akira on call
>Only Kenji and Sakura are available
pilot Zero refitted as a 3-seater >KIMOCHI
>IT FEELS SO GOOD
I would still prefer that to him being dead. His character annoyed me at first but I felt horrible when it happened.
I guess it depends on what you were expecting. I knew fafner was depressing but there was a streak of success after shoko and koyo died. I didn't watch DA when it first aired so I also knew there were sequels, so I figured major characters might live on. Boy was I wrong.
A few times in exodus, festum hacked in their monitor and did the "anata wa soko ni imasu ka?" thing slowly followed by "they're getting into my mind" by the pilot. Direct contact/empathy is probably the most effective. There was also one time in Heaven & Earth where a crying baby type turned into a violent eurus type since Kazuki felt bad for it.
>I was only 14 years old
>I loved Goubain so much, I had all the manga and even the helmet
>I pray to the mechanical forearm every night before bed, thanking it for the power I've received
>"Goubain protects love," I say. "Goubain protects life."
>Kenji-sensei hears me and says I read too much manga
>I called him a retiree
>He reprimands me and injects me with assimilation blocker
>I'm crying now, and an eye is gone
>I sleep in the Fünf and its really cold
>I feel sense the unbreakable katana nearby
>I am so happy
>He whispers in my ear, "You're gonna be a protector"
>He grabs me with his powerful samurai hands and puts me on my feet
>I spread my Aegis for Goubain
>He assimilates my body
>It hurts so much but I do it for Goubain
>I can feel my body crystallizing as my last eye starts to transform
>I resist against the phenomenon
>I want to please Goubain
>He roars a mighty roar as he fills the sky with his shield
>Kenji-sensei and Acht run over
>Goubain looks him straight in the eye and yells "GOU SPARK"
>Goubain leaves me as a bowling ball
>Goubain protects love, Goubain protects life
It depends on the strength of the Festum.
Weaker Festum generally need a response to make a good contact. That's why WORM SPHERE SPAM is preventable among them. That's the equivalent of just carpet bombing and hoping to hit something.
Stronger ones don't need a response, however as Festum have learned hatred, the "Are you There" has become less of a target locater and more of a deliberate psychological attack to weaken mental defense.
It's why the Diablos types drag it out so much. Fear and panic makes shit a lot easier to assimilate.
>There was also one time in Heaven & Earth where a crying baby type turned into a violent eurus type since Kazuki felt bad for it.
The Sphinx in HaE converted into a Eurus type as a means of regenerating itself. You are correct that it only regenerated because Kazuki got distracted and didn't smash it's Core, but it didn't transform as a direct result of Kazuki's feelings affecting it.
It was just an example of Festum's regenerative properties, and another example as proof of what would ultimately be Soushi's fate at Exodus.
I'm assuming he's like Soushi now, and was pretty much a clean slate after waking up.
But if he continuously pilots again he'll probably end up getting baby'd too. That's how they'll live on now, meeting again and again.
Early Exodus is hard to believe how much it feels like DA/movie except the mecha parts, cause of how much changed during the series.
>Orihime still not born
>Only gen 2s and Maya still active, no gen 3 yet
>Sushi is in the bridge bunny tank
>Lots of NUNS service
>Other Gen 2 pilots forever forgotten
Some guy on nico did a real-time version of Episode 20, the Third Azure Sky operation battle. Pretty funny and makes Kenji's work seem so much more demanding than it seems.
>That Leo continuously smashing Festum in the sky
>That Walker and Koyo hide and seek
Some of the class and civilian shots in DA are so strange in retrospect.
Who are all these other kids no one talks about? What's their story? Does the island just throw some kids overboard if their SC code isn't good enough?
>>That Leo continuously smashing Festum in the sky
>>That Walker and Koyo hide and seek
Especially the Kouyo bit, guess the guy just really likes Vier.
The rest was cool.
It didn't get much fanfare, but I thought this bit of the finale was a nice way to go full circle for Soushi.
After years of guilt for sending his friends out to the front lines, he gets to see what the other side is like, that he never had any reason to feel guilty. It gets undersold a lot, but in some ways he almost changed the most from DA.
Just managed to binge watch the second series (both first and second season)
>had a hard time remembering some of the characters, who the fuck is kouyou for example
>for the characters I do remember, it seems most of them turned out to be pretty cool now that they've grown up, and even for the new generation pilots, there seems to be less whiny bitches as compared to the first series
>while Kazuki and Soushi are kind of like a Gary Stu, all characters seemed to had their own spot light respectively (even the whiny twin brother)
>somewhat bullshit that some characters "came back" from dying, but good to know others actually stayed ded
all in all best mecha anime I've watched in 2015 and miles better than the first series.
Also Orihime is the best girl.
Kouyo's the kid that got assimilated early in the first series. Had a thing for Shouko, was mad at Kazuki because she died, later came back as a Festum hybrid. He never actually died. He was even in the movie as just his Fafner.
Some people do find Dead Aggressor, the first series, better the second time through if you're ever in the mood. The whole series tends to reward rewatches since it's so dense with continuity.
Post your fav
This is mine.
When Orihime breaks and shows how much she really cares. Seri has done soo much for her and to Orihime she means the world.
After Mark Faith, piloted by Rina.
Which comes after Mark Judgement, piloted by Sui.
Which comes after Mark Altair, which later becomes Mark Loyalty, piloted by Seri.
Which comes after Mark "Goubain", which is really Mark Guardian, piloted by Mimika.
Which comes after Mark Vanguard, piloted by Reo.
That's edited pretty well, I don't feel the song really matches up with the action at times though but oh well.
I've become increasingly fond of this one recently
Just wish it didn't have that weird layer over it.
>Finally get around to rewatching DA
>Kuramae is voiced by Rina
I had rewatched RoL a few more times so I wasn't expecting this.
As long as Mark Death gets an large-bore rifle firing bullets tipped with tactical nuclear warheads that detonate upon penetrating a target.
Nothing would make Grandma nuker happier than her granddaughter delivering nuclear-tipped precision in those filthy Festum, and the beautiful nuclear fireworks that come after.
Rewatching DA is kind of neat. Not sure if just a callback or if random background character became Mai.
Probably been asked way too much but I'm asking anyway, and the pastebin provided no answers.
Do I need to watch the first Fafner show to enjoy this? I keep hearing Exodus is one of the best /m/ shows since MJP. Anyway I tried the first episode of Fafner in the Azure and wasn't really digging it, I might try again but my time is fairly tight so I want to make sure it's necessary. Is Exodus a direct sequel or just have some references to previous events.
Basically tell me if I should just stick with Azure since I wasn't very impressed by it.
Sorry, but yeah, you pretty much have to watch everything to understand any of Exodus. So there's the first series (Dead Aggressor), the prequel OVA (Right of Left), and the movie (Heaven and Earth). They're pretty much all necessary and lead into one another.
DA does start off a little slow, I know the feeling, but it gets much better. A writer switch halfway through helps a lot too, if you're still not feeling it by that point.
Azure really doesn't get that interesting until about 10 episodes in or so. Whenever Kazuki ends up leaving the island for the first time. I was in the same boat as you when I first watched it. I was literally nodding off at point because the beginning is kind of dull but once it gets momentum going it's pretty good. The movie is great too.
So I say stick with it.
Exodus is a direct continuation of the story set up by DA (the first series) and the movie (HaE). You really should watch everyting that came before it or you'll be jumping straight in the middele of the story. (you could do that, but it would ruin the series).
DA takes a while to get going, because of the writer change early on, but after that it becomes one hell of a ride that goes on through Exdous.
Just follow the show as described in the image and have a good time. It's totally worth the wait. And welcome to the sufferingclub
I agree, she's not festumised, but something defenitely happened to her to keep her alive for that long (maybe Orihime will let her slowly devour bits of the island/altair to keep her alive?).
I'm wondering what the lives of the pilots will be like in that two year time skip. Are they still suffering the symptoms from their SDP or are they cured? Imagine Sui being unable to move while Rina rides him and falls asleep. Leo just being a floating head/arms/legs monster and Mimika randomly boxing herself.
>something defenitely happened to her to keep her alive for that long
Honestly I don't think it's anything that complicated. The island's Mir controls the entire ecosystem, it's not hard to imagine the whole biosphere has been put into stasis, effectively freezing time on the island.
If there is any continuation that's gonna be strange though, if Seri hasn't aged like everyone else.
I hope he grows up and becomes his over the top over dramatic self that he is whilst piloting the nicht
It would be great if even 2 year old soushi was like that
the toddler of nothingness
Just sleeping I'd imagine, considering Orihime's words. Remember Altair is being put to sleep too, so there's no room to be careless, this entire process is some heavy-duty last resort type shit.
But things can go any number of ways, the only real answer is "whatever Tow wants". If Seri does eventually interact with the Mir in her dreams there's nothing to contradict that.
I'm rewatching Heaven and Earth. Fucking hell the Dreizehn is one hell of a good looking Fafner isn't it.
Seri's sleeping with the fishes- I mean, Festums, that's why I marked her with the gold.
She is admittedly a big question mark and more than likely will be alive if there's ever a sequel, but for now...
She didn't die or get fully crystal'd though.
If Orihime was able to "cross" with her she would have to be alive. So I think a big honking ? would be more appropriate.
If you change it I'll make a webm custom ordered for ya.
Tried to see if the video was still in my browser's cache but no luck there. Uploader seems to have uploaded a pitched up version to youtube now too, guess the niconico one will have to do.
Maybe the Mir will at least let her cross with him while she's asleep.
I can make a tiny edit to the end result, sure.
Seri a ? because who the hell knows. Taking a long nap.
This is somehow more awesome when it's been pounded into my head what their fighting styles are.
>Maya the sniper
>Kenji going crazy commando with his pistol
>Canon charging with her lance
>Sakura on her linderwhatever
I miss them
I hate how the "victorious looking out after the battle" scenes always look more QUALITY than usual, but it's not as bad as the movie.
I miss them too especially Zero Fafner
I dont think that was us, that was probably just the few people that watched it voicing their opinion, the show is under watched as fuck in the west but exodus really seemed to please most people that had the patience to get to it.. Its just a really good series even with its shortcommings
>the show is under watched as fuck in the west
I'll say, it didn't even get a passing mention in most annual round ups of the years anime on the various English language anime blogs/sites.
Another thing I don't really get, neither Salvatore models actually assimilated anyone completely, and they lock and wrapped it up like some extreme taboo machine, but Zero whose kill count is at 3 now is allowed to be piloted freely.
Didn't it only show up in H&E? I thought the idea was that they drowned it instead of keep it in a normal chamber like the other fafners because it was a cursed mech.
inb4 that's what a fafner is
That was a real dick move to the twins isn't it
>this here is the murder machine that assimilated your parents kids
>we are putting it right here for everyone to look at it, but especially for you two, so you will be reminded of your parents death every time you come here for a break
>Oh we are also putting you two into this death machine
>what that Salvatore model that almost assimilated my son but didn't? Lock it up and throw away the key you degenerate fucks. Destroy it if you can too.
Retconned to have always been there, I thought?
That's probably referring to this bit from the official timeline,
>The Mark Ein's pilot dies in an accident during training.
Which we've never heard anything else about or who could have been in there. It's weird.
But the Zero must have been there the entire time, the accident with it happened over a decade before DA. It was sealed away just as much as anything else, but remember the first we hear of it was Akira saying he WANTS to pilot it in H&E. Then the twins just happen to get their Fafners rekt to make that an oiption.
Hey was Soushi always a little festumized or something? It seems that way since he always has to teach the festum pain and he learned pain from kazuki and he was that way ever since he got ayyraped by japanese radio.
Soushi couldn't pilot because his eye was injured, not because of Festum anything. It prevented the full mental link like we see in RoL, that's why he healed the eye when he got the idea from Narain.
The injury is what prevented him from being assimilated in the radio incident. Otherwise he's just as Festum as any of the island kids, he was only there to teach them about pain and everything because they needed his mind intact at the end of DA.
Are you the same guy that was trying to claim she died and Orihime somehow brought her back? That's not how any of this works. Just look at Soushi.
Well after the movie his body is 100% pure Festum material. It's just a container for his mind, so he can heal himself or whatever else as we see.
The injury is something Soushi sees as an essential part of himself. He wasn't really "there" before that incident. Remember he was less than five years old when he was told the truth about the island and the world, that's bound to fuck a kid up, it's no wonder he didn't have much of a sense of self before that.
She has zero piloting feats throughout Exodus anon
No, but I admit I forgot about Sakura, only picked from the Gen 2 pool because they were the shittiest of the bunch, did Sakura do anything worth while in DA?
>She has zero piloting feats throughout Exodus
Not him, but she noms a Festum bigger than anything any of the Salvators do and recovers from at least a couple (although it might just be one?) dismemberments with ease, more easily than Sein or Nicht even.
>several times over
If we're going by this count, Akira is easily the worst. He's saved from assimilation by Kenji, and then from Dusin by Billy's presence.
Sui, too would rank kinda low by the saved from imminent doom by "x" count, but that's silly.
If we're going by that realistically, Seri only gets saved by her h4x regen once.
I mean, Drei cut its way out of a Leviathan-type in DA's finale, granted it was much smaller, but Zwölf had been upgraded many times by Exodus, so presumably she'd have been able to cut her way out.
Anyways, I didn't intend to get into dank powerlevels discussion, but you brought up muh feats...
Honestly, Gen 2 is the most disadvantaged group. Gen 1 has the most piloting experience given their age, and Gen 3 is literally made up of prodigies and geniuses.
Meanwhile, Gen 2 was an emergency deployment during a desperate fight that probably didn't last more than a few days, a week at most, and never piloted again until over 2 years later.
>never piloted again until over 2 years later.
Do we know this for 100%
I know Soushi says "my first shared pain in over 4 years", but the Fafners could have conceivably operated in some capacity in the intervening time, even if its unlikely.
>Did you totally skip past DA?
Follow the chain, dude
>She has zero piloting feats throughout Exodus anon
And no, I didn't >>13719730
>Drei cut its way out of a Leviathan-type in DA's finale
Either Hiroto or Akira mentioned Exodus being the first battle in two years, if I recall.
So like the other anon said, they just lacked the experience. Most of them got hit pretty hard with extreme altered consciousness early on too.
>more than a few days, a week at most
I really do wonder about that. They said a substitute could work for a few weeks, and then we see Seri almost getting assimilated before Akane stepped in. Although that was probably because Nicht almost crushed the core pod and reduced "a few weeks" to "right away".
Looks like in the cockpit, actually.
So yeah really none of the gen 2 kids piloted all that long before Exodus. It's not like in DA which lasted a decent length of time.
Anonymous, you're ignoring the fact that she managed to survive solo for close to 16+ hours of non-stop combat in the future.
Since dying was shown to auto eject you from the future vision and we were told she wasn't being shown any futures past that point in the end.
Solo fighting against hordes of Festum, without being able to abuse future sight and no support whatsoever.
Alright, be real here. Who actually liked the coloring of the original synergetic suits? Grey and pink just looks so bad.
I'm glad they changed it in H&E.
>Seri's Seriz were already big when she was a little kid
On a serious note though I think it's because Misaou's Mir was directly invading the island at that moment (the giant crystal pillar comming from the sky) and their own Mir was getting assimilated.
>That's probably referring to this bit from the official timeline,
>The Mark Ein's pilot dies in an accident during training.
Is there more than one official timeline? The one in Exodus' website doesn't say anything about Mark Eins' pilot dying.
Anon must have made a mistake then, because the line they translated as "Mark Eins' pilot dies during training" merely states that Yumi and Ryo died. That, or the Japanese timeline was incorrect and it has been edited since then.
Even in the expanded info bits when you click on some sections? A few of those look like links.
Not that I'm doubting you, but that makes me question the entire timeline translation now.
Though it would make a lot more sense of they were talking about the Zero in RoL, continuity-wise. Surprised it was even thought of at that point, but hey Akira was in DA, so Tow's gonna Tow.
anyone know the ost that plays during this part?
The expanded info bits are the same in both versions. The 2144 entry is the only one that talks about Mk. Ein's pilot, and it's just what we already know from watching the show: Soushi was supposed to pilot it but he couldn't because of his injured eye.
I skimmed through it and the rest of anon's translation seems fine. The official English version is not incorrect, either, just very awkwardly worded and with some poorly romanized names that might lead to confusion.
This was one of my favorite scenes from the series.
Anyone else find these two a little odd? Now that the movie and Exodus have come and gone with them around.
They're fine characters, and I like Ian for giving Tamotsu a friend, but they never get much attention and are rarely even addressed by name onscreen. Giving some of the former Human Army characters central roles is great, and it makes sense some would even become part of the core Alvis staff, but we sure don't know a thing about them in proportion to their screentime.
>New Fafner announced
>Seri is the main character
>As series goes on, more stuff starts looking out of place
>It was a dream world the Mir created for her
>Seri wakes up
>End of season
So Soushi 2.0 is a combination of a human and a rock space alien, raised by three immortal space rock aliens.
I wish I'd never had this thought.
I have some questions about the Fafner Weapons:
1) Presumably all the Nothungs have pistols and knives as standard equipment yet it seems the "Machine Gun" is standard as well. However, it seems inconsistent with what the Fafner is shown to have (Most notably with the ones with Aegis Shields) and it varies from being a sub-machine gun or a rifle. Which one is it referring to?
2) Is there any functional difference between the Gundrake and the Luger Lance? All I can see is one has a trigger while the other doesn't. As far as I can tell they are both can pierce the enemy and shoot from the inside, and both can also be used for ranged attacks so it seems redundant.
3) My memory of DA is a little hazy, but since when could the Aegis Shields actually fire ranged attacks? I admit I like this upgrade.
4) What up Zwolf's horn? It looks like a head mounted Luger Lance and can even shoot ranged attacks, but it apparently it makes a conical barrier around it too.
5) I do remember back in DA that the Nothungs also had laser guns. As in actual lasers that shoot red beams of light as opposed to beams. Whatever happened to those?
1. The rifle and the machine gun are different weapons. I believe they just switch them up depending on what the pilot feels like using.
2. Preference for the pilot. It depends on the fighting style of the pilot entirely. The Luger Lance offers more range when fighting up close with a Festum and can also be used as a blunt weapon. To use the Gundrakes piercing functions you either have to get uncomfortably close to the Festum or pull off crazy shit like Sui.
3. New to Exodus. Just to show that the tech has kept growing.
4. Designed specifically for Seri because her love of Stag Beetles went so far as to be reflected in her piloting. It's just an Aegis shield made to form a point like the Brunhilde System jets Tsubaki/Orihime control. It was basically designed around the following plan
1. The pilot will headbutt the enemy
2. The shield is there to protect the pilot while they charge at the enemy
3. The head mounted Luger Lance is there so that once she has headbutted the enemy she can blast it without getting assimilated
5. Don't know why they fell out of favor. They had them but perhaps just single shot tiny lasers weren't cost effective in terms of damage.
I think Hiroto used it during his first sortie in H&E. Not that we ever see him fire a shot aside from when he shoots upwards in celebration of their first victory.
Speaking of weapons, how many of these have we not seen?
Starting the series with the ova, I have a question, extra foods & weapons were hidden from everyone such that Festum can't read their minds & figure out their tactics, but if Maya's crippled dad was gonna be on the L-boat too can't they just read his & figure everything out?
Yumi's dad, you mean.
And yeah presumably, which makes the whole thing a little odd. But we have no way of knowing how things could have gone, maybe he had some crazy self-hypnosis shit planned, because technology exists for that in the series.
It's really strange that Alvis decide to hide the alien invasion from the islanders until the series begin and then gave up that whole charade. Going so far as to use hypnotics to secretly train the pilots. Wonder how they do all those hypnosis?
If we do get any kind of continuation, I hope this scene is a sign of things to come.
Orihime and Soushi almost felt more like siblings than he and Tsubaki did, but it still couldn't work out. Soushi2 and whoever the next core ends up being deserve that normal life of peace. This scene was right after Orihime foresaw what would happen to Soushi, so I have
hopethat was intentional.
She said she was going to return her life to the island, and asked Fumihiko to welcome the next core. We don't have any reason to assume that didn't happen, it's just that nobody was around to see it, unlike Tsubaki.
Right to the end she was still crying alone. I swear Orihime was the real champ of that finale.
More often than not, this type of shot isn't really a "callback" as much as it's Xebec background artists tracing over pictures from the same artbook they have lying around in the office.
Yeah it's not really supposed to, seems like more of an alternate take.
It does have a lot of interesting ideas that didn't get used for the anime though, like the kids all having a unique ability. I think the Nibelung marks were even mentioned in it.
Also talks about the R-complex "dark floor" being responsible for altered consciousness.
I guess I'm inclined to believe that anything that doesn't directly contradict the anime could fit into it. The bit about why Shoko got the Mk. Sechs was interesting too.
>I guess I'm inclined to believe that anything that doesn't directly contradict the anime could fit into it.
Yeah this is basically my take on it, anything that could fit cleanly. If I remember right they expanded on the hypnosis put on all the kids too, with the various security levels in place. Which RoL at least sort of touched on, and I feel like DA alluded to without really getting into it.
But otherwise a lot of it, while just as worthwhile, is totally incompatible with the anime. Soushi for example might as well be a different person in the novel.