TR-8R's official name is Zeroes and he has beef with Finn from their Academy days cause Finn ruined his winstreak in baton class. Source: Before the Awakening
>Ruining fancanon like this
Seriously why the fuck? Its retarded to make his beef personal with Finn. Would much rather enjoy the headcanon that he's just some zealous stormtrooper who buys into the propaganda so hard that he wants to beat the fuck out of a traitor. It not only makes his character insanely interesting, it makes stormtroopers all the more interesting.
all post acquisition side materials are canon short of The Old Republic MMO, my concern is this >>13694583 if it was stated outright, fine, if it wasn't then it might as well be OP's headcanon
Well is he dead?
Would be a waste of a character to just kill him in the same scene where he's introduced. And since from the comics him and the trooper who died and put that handprint on finns helmet are the only other character related to fin in the fiction that's even worse.
I guess Phasma can come back and have some beef with Finn but she's already proven herself to be inept.
In fiction, Star Wars has done some pretty dumb things with whether characters shit by red lasers are dead or not. Hell, Kylo took a bowcaster shot and didn't even go down. I was watching star wars rebels and the same shit occurred, where troopers didn't actually die.
It's not impossible.
His beef isn't just personal. They made it partially personnal to better explain why he fought him with a baton instead of shooting him, it doesn't cheapen his rage in the face of betrayal.
>Hell, Kylo took a bowcaster shot and didn't even go down.
Well that's probably more indication how strong he could get that he could tank that despite still bleeding out. Also the Force
Nice, I was going to come discuss this, good to see somebody else saw the video. Sounded like pretty solid speculah to me.
I wonder if we'll see any /k/ memes crop up because of this.
>Finn, or FN-2187, was part of a four-man fire team that included three others: FN-2199, FN-2000 and FN-2003 known as Nines, Zero and Slip. Finn doesn’t have a nickname and he appears to be the leader. A seasoned stormtrooper figures him out in the book: “An outsider. You’re on the outside, and you’ll always be looking in and wondering why you don’t belong.”
>Finn is in the top 1% in exams, an expert with tactics, blasters and hand-to-hand weapons, and a good candidate for making officer. However, his empathy for colleagues convinces his direct superior Captain Phasma to not recommend him for fast-track officer training. Apparently, Finn cares even more for his teammates than the final mission.
>top 1% i nexams
>expert in tactics, blasters and hand-to-hand weapons, and a good candidate for making officer
>works as a janitor
he might even be lying about that, the his chapter in Before the Awakening ended just as phasma received the Jakku deployment order and Finn literally just became a full fledged stormtrooper, unless every stormtrooper cadet serves as the base Janitor when they're not training
>It not only makes his character insanely interesting
>soldiers who believe the cause their fighting for
>interesting as of itself
That's not how it works anon. I do enjoy it when people build headcanon together (like Madoka's poorfag, CIA,TPP or this), that's what makes him interesting, not the actual facts we know about him.
>Well is he dead?
Depends on whether Disney finds out about TR8R memes or not and decides to make more material about him and may get to be the new Boba Fett.
>I guess Phasma can come back
She will, she was too overhyped for a one time character, and we havent even seen her dying.
Boba isn't true Mando'a, so of course he gets killed like a chump.
In the real world all sorts of people with great skills and qualifications are forced to work shit jobs because our economy is so screwed up. In a world as advanced as Star Wars, I'd imagine those problems are even more magnified.
IRL, enlisted soldiers are employed to do all kinds of menial labor while deployed. Someone's gotta do that work, and not every soldier needs to be on guard duty at all times (especially in a secure base like Starkiller).
>It's okay to bitch about Daigo from Kyoryuger being a Gary Stu
>Mention Rey is a complete Mary Sue and you're labelled horrible and sexist
What is with this world? Am I in some alternate reality where shit characters are allowed to exist as long as they're wimmen?
Is it really advanced then?
Finn, Han and Kylo had decent amount of screen time, relevance and a character arc, which was more than what you can say about the other kyoryugers.
And the words "Mary Sue" or "Gary Stu" have lost all meaning now.
It makes sense in a way.
Even if you are a super neat and skilled Stormtrooper, if you can't mentally commit to the whole "fanatic drone in a fascist army" thing then you probably get sent to shit jobs as "punishment" to try to motivate you before they say fuck it and electrify parts of your brain in a re-indoctrination centre.
And even if he skilled in melee combat, lightsabers are supposed to require some kinda force power to wield in combat effectively.
Particularly Anakin Skywalker's, which was supposed to have some kinda wacky force feedback or some shit if I recall, due to his turbulent nature.
OF course, I don't know if any of that shit counts for anything anymore. But it's the only knowledge we can speculate from at this point in time.
That weapon looks awkward as fuck. I know police batons are a real thing but it looks like it would be way more effective if he held it like a regular stick. How does it keep from spinning around in his hand when he doesn't want it to?
Have you been going to tumblr or something?
I think it works like some kinda extended future tonfa.
I don't know if it actually spins or is he just do it for effect.
He's not the traitor, he's called that cause he fights the main character, who betrayed the First Order.
And the only line he has is the exclamation of "traitor!"
He's not a traitor. They call him that because TRAITOR! is the only line he has in the movie.
He's a stormtrooper extra, who sees one of the movie's MCs (a renegade trooper, hence the line) holding a lightsaber. You think he's just going to die like all stormtroopers do... and then he promptly screams TRAITOR, pulls out some kind of electric tonfa thingy and goes all martial arts master on Finn's ass. And would have actually won if Han didn't sneak in and shoot him in the back. It was just incredibly unexpected.
One of the main characters is a traitor stormtrooper.
This guy, who's basically any other stormtrooper, sees him, shouts "TRAITOR!", and fights like a bawse before Han shoots first.
>He's a stormtrooper extra, who sees one of the movie's MCs (a renegade trooper, hence the line) holding a lightsaber. You think he's just going to die like all stormtroopers do... and then he promptly screams TRAITOR, pulls out some kind of electric tonfa thingy and goes all martial arts master on Finn's ass. And would have actually won if Han didn't sneak in and shoot him in the back. It was just incredibly unexpected.
He's literally the best part of the movie and he's in it for 40 seconds.
Is this guy supposed to be the spiritual successor to CIA?
No, he's the new Bank Manager from DKR.
/tv/ loved the trailer for TFA so much.
I do believe that finn actually its a great tacticioan, I mean he manipulated ALL of the rebellion forces to help him resque Rei, and he succeded until that point, everithing else that happenes after that was either for accident or true amazing skills of other characters
If you watch closely, Finn's an ace with whatever blaster he can get his hands on. He learned how to operate both a TIE Fighter's and the Millennium Falcon's gunner consoles within minutes of first encountering them.
My guess is that he has some sort of issue with melee combat. It could be either that he's just not as good at it, or that he has an issue when having to confront enemies face to face (because he can't depersonalize them?).
Even still, he held off a Stormtrooper in his first lightsaber battle, and managed to wound Kylo Ren. He's not hopeless.
I enjoyed Hux more.
Just a crazy Nazi asshole that wants to play with his deathray and didn't take crap from Kylo, the bitch.
Hard to imagine that this guy was a goddamn Weasley and that weedy beta from Ex-Machina
Poe was my main man.
Even if he turns out to be a poofter, this guy is my nigga.
There's Star Wars Legends, which was the old EU, and now we have the official canon, the 7 movies and the various tie-ins and other material, like the Rebels cartoons and official novels, like Tarkin.
He's right. Shit like this ruins characters. Like this entire bullcrap about Finn how he's the bestest stormtrooper ever but his flaw is compassion.
It's like this shit was written by some 14y old.
Actually, it was a good idea. The standard gun and shield won't defend against a lightsaber, while his electro-baton would.
As well, Traitor probably knew that Finn was weak in melee combat from previous training, and thus fully capitalized on it.
This is already reminding me on why the EU was a mistake, and they're gonna repeat it again.
Why do you assume Finn is the only defector?
Why do you think more troopers should have defected at that particular moment?
Would expect a large, technologically sophisticated military force that is dependent on abducted and conditioned conscripts to have a high defect rate, when that force has presumably spent years perfecting its indoctrination process? If so, why?
I'd expect anybody to defect from a large and sophisticated military force to at least have planned their shit and found likeminded people instead of just "lol might as well leave the only life I knew to most likely die on a fucking desert, that's a good trick"
But that's the whole premise of his character arc. Their conditioning isn't supposed to break. That life is all they know. So naturally, when a case like Finn arises, the trooper in question isn't exceptionally bright or wise to the world.
Even though he apparently aced every single one of his space exams and whatnot, he somehow didn't realize that deserts have no water and he needs it to survive, yep makes total sense.
>don't want to go to desert planet and do mission
>"I know, I'll just defect and possibly stay here forever and most likely die"
He took a monumental risk that no sane person would have taken and then proceeded to be the least adventurous person in the entire movie, completely contradicting his actions earlier and being a complete coward. His character is all over the place and doesn't make sense when you look at it from his point of view at all.
>completely contradicting his actions earlier
He literally spends the first half of the movie trying to do the exact same thing. Find a pilot, a ship and fuck off to somewhere safe. Except Poe wants his droid and drags him back to Jakku, and then Rey wants to go hand it to the rebels and screws his plans again, and then when he finally gets a safe ride, everything fucking explodes, one of the only people he really knows gets kidnapped, and that's when he stops running. That's it.
What? No, it makes perfect sense. He was going to be "reconditioned," and he knew Poe was a pilot and needed help escaping himself. So he took the small risk that Poe would kill him when he got the chance, to break Poe out and get him to a spaceship. So, now he's away from the First Order, he won't be reconditioned, the urgency of that situation is gone. He wants to make that permanent by getting as far away from the FO as possible, but they crash land. With no way back to space, he wanders around, and at the first settlement he finds, he fulfills his most pressing need: finding water. Enter Rey.
The only other action he takes that doesn't flow directly from his desire to either get away from the FO or to protect Rey is his initial decision to help BB-8, and that's out of respect for the seemingly-dead Poe, who helped him break out. (This is also why they embrace on their next meeting despite having only known each other for about an hour total.)
It all makes perfect sense. Finn is very consistent as a character.
I think the problem is that you have a different mindset to Finn regarding risk assessment, and aren't sympathizing with his point of view. Consider his choices at the outset of the story.
>possibly (hopefully) leave old life behind and start a new life somewhere else--although obviously there is a risk of something going horribly wrong, such as crash-landing on a desert planet
>GUARANTEED to remain stuck with the First Order, which is exactly what he doesn't want
As an aside, I agree with you that he wasn't consistently characterized, and broadly speaking the movie suffered from shit writing. But Finn's escape was understandable.
With that said, I don't want to defend the movie any more than I have.
Finn was going to be reconditioned and he knew that. Saving Poe was risky but there was also an element of preservation of self involved - by being brainwashed he'd turn into a personality-less killer. He could either help Poe and maybe save himself, or do nothing and lose himself for sure - maybe not his life, but his sense as a person.
>The standard gun and shield won't defend against a lightsaber, while his electro-baton would.
Maybe it was Rey he was going against, but Finn has subpar melee ability and if he is Force Sensitive, isn't a very strong one, so he couldn't deflect blaster fire at all. TR8 could have just shot him and called it a day, but he wanted to get personal with him I guess.
He wasn't being reconditioned for defiance or insubordination, he was being reconditioned because he was seen as a coward - useless, but not expected to be a threat. They didn't think he would do anything as monumentally reckless as a prison break.
Finn only decided he'd had enough when his bro died and they ordered them to murder a villiage, which only happened a few hours prior, and he hadn't even been caught for not shooting yet. He was kind of desperate and freeing this dude was his only option. Pretty sure he didn't wake up planning to defect that day.
And even then his plan was just to get back to the Resistance with Poe and then get them to get him far away from the Order. But Poe got shot down and the rest was history.
What's her face says as much. It was his first offense, and they thought him weak and cowardly as opposed to blantantly hostile and treasonous. They didn't think he'd need an escort. They expected him to report to reconditioning like a good soldier because he otherwise had followed orders well up to that point.
I think that was the point. Phasma had a fairly well known actress cast and was in several scenes who was completely immemorable, while Traitor man was a faceless extra in one scene and everyone remembers him.
It seems like the more obscure you were the more you stood out in the film, which is why everyone now loves the hell out of Daisy Ridley who was literally a non union student film actress before this movie.
>He took a monumental risk that no sane person would have taken
I don't know, that depends on just how fucked he was going to be when they analyzed that blaster to find it was in perfect working order but hadn't been fired. Seizing what might be his only chance to get away before he's found out might have been perfectly rational.
Iron-man 3 I assume, where the entire plot is that Tony is overwhelmed by the responsibility of being a hero in a world where aliens could attack at any second and wipe out humanity and he has no idea how to cope with it, so he freaks out and becomes obsessed with building super specific armors for every occasion as a way of not thinking about it.
about summer last year I decided to catch up on the clone wars cartoon then went to watch eps.2 and 3, says a lo when your cartoon counterpart is better at portraying the character better.
also I know the cartoons have the benefit of hindsight and time to develop the character but it's weird to see Anakin being more subservient and clueless in Revenge of the Sith after you see his more mature and yet still cheeky approach to things in Clone Wars
Oh, I'm not saying they should have taken him to a psychiatrist or anything - just explaining what I think the reference is too. It was obvious why Tony wasn't seeing one. Tony was also feeling inadequate in that movie in another way I'd forgotten, in that he thought it was Iron-Man that was the hero and that it was the armor that was important and the movie was basically about him coming to terms with the idea that even without his armor he could be a hero and do something. Which was why there were several scenes where he was either entirely unarmored or had only small bits of armor that he'd cobbled together.
That's only if they have the skill to actually hit them back at you.
Finn almost certainly does not, since it requires both the force and badass sword slinging skills. ESB Luke wasn't capable of doing that yet, nevermind Finn.
They also get visions of the horrible fate awaiting everyone in Clone Wars several times and still fall straight into Sheev's hands in Revenge of the Sith. Anakin himself basically gets his future as Vader shown to him and still makes the poor choices he does.
TR-8R has no reason to know that with a certainty. He might suspect it, but if he's sure of his skill with an electro-baton he's better off going with that than risking that Finn is actually good with it or found the Force in the meantime. Especially if you disregard EU stuff and see him as someone who has no clue who Finn is beyond that he's holding a lightsaber and those guys are usually trouble if you shoot them.
>You will never be a first order trooper
>Phasma will never dom you as punishment
Anybody who complains about stormtroopers being able to use lightsabers is just exposing their ignorance.
>being an EUfag
2-1B/DRX likewise ordered for Vader's helmet to be waxed with woodoo hide in the hopes that the resulting shine would distract Palpatine from the shortcuts they were forced to implement during the surgery.
>Anybody who complains about stormtroopers being able to use lightsabers is just exposing their ignorance.
Remember when Chewbacca was Slenderman?
And it's clearly not meant to be the actual case within the franchise or even just within Force Awakens, since Finn is the only one with a lightsaber, only after he defects and only because of a coincidence that gave him access to one. Stormtroopers are not meant to have lightsabers and some old McQuarrie art doesn't mean different. That said, there's no reason he shouldn't be able to do something with it, especially if stormtroopers are given basic melee weapons training in stuff like electro-batons. There's even possibility he got training with a vibro-sword or something in the past and has some idea of the basics even if he's not particularly skilled.
I didn't mean to imply that stormtroopers have canonically ever had inherent lightsaber training, just that the idea is as old as the franchise, an therefore its appearance in TFA is as valid as anything else.
It sounds like you're basically agreeing with that, so can we just bypass this whole "we're saying the same thing, but you're saying it wrong" bullshit?
I am under the impression that KOTOR remains canon and, therefore, Rakata Prime/Lehon is still canon (albeit B Canon).
Tython I'm not so sure about, though.
Also, Awakens cribbed heavily from KOTOR; Starkiller is blatantly based on the Starforge.
Luke was said to be on the planet from which the Jedi originated; That would be Tython. However, the depiction of the planet he was on was more akin to Rakata Prime.
stop making things up.
KOTOR and all its sequels are Legends, just like anything produced before mid-2014. Don't kid your self otherwise, that's a stone-cold fact.
>Starkiller is blatantly based on the Starforge
yeah, no. Let me know if you need me to list how many ways it isn't.
I don't think that's anything like the McQuarrie concept art for the simple reason that Finn is no longer a stormtrooper by the time he's using it. He doesn't think, act or look like one and is not considered one anymore within the film. If TR-8R had used one then the concept art might be a thing to point too. As is it's more similar to Han using one out of desperation and need in Empire and nothing more.
KOTOR is set so far before the films that it wouldn't be that difficult to recanonicalize it and bring it back in, even in part - it's what, 4000BBY?
By which I meant Legends. Disney are treating it as an AU.
>I'm still patiently waiting for anything remotely major from EU to show up in any medium.
Honestly if it does you can expect it to just be the general gist of it rather than being lifted whole cloth. Honestly as mad as people are about it, I think killing the old EU canon was necessary for the health fo the franchise. We'll see if they can actually manage to not fuck everything up as time goes on.
>there's a movement trying ti make Poe actually gay
>"it's not about what it adds to the character it's about inclusion"
I've no problems with people being gay or whatever but this is fucking bullshit
It's dumb as hell. I wish people would just watch the movie instead of projecting their shit on it.
I've no problems with it either, but seeing all of those blogs, I just want Poe to kiss some girl to spite those blogs.
>still triggered by fujos
One a Gundam board no less.
>Hell, Kylo took a bowcaster shot
He took one to the side and was basically forcing himself to keep fighting.
The trooper took one straight to the chest that sent him flying.
Also, did you see that battleground when the First Order withdrew? They left their dead and wounded behind. That means, best case scenario, that wounded trooper is at the mercy of the Resistance.
This isn't even a 'no body, no death' deal. This trooper is no more. He has ceased to be. He has run down the curtain and joined the Jedi invisible. He's a stiff. Had you not propped him up with fanon, he'd be pushing up the daisies. He's expired and gone to become one with the Force.
This is an ex-trooper!
>Sith agents manage to make off with his body and the bodies of other near-death troopers.
>All are cyborg'd into new Dark Trooper-like armor with enhanced anti-Jedi equipment and armor.
I just want New Phase 3+ Dark Troopers armed with Phrik shields and electrostaffs giving the Jedi hell.
>shoot him in the back
Back nothing. That fucker got it front and center.
His zeal to takedown a traitor made him forget he was on a battlefield. It's his own fault Solo was able to blast him.
Oh fuck me sideways.
I love a good pun at last as much as, probably more so, than the next guy, but that's just awful.
I had seen Rakata Prime on the new map but seriously. Ahch-To?
TR-8R should have been Phasma, with Finn cheering over her wounded body when Han shoots her in the back while she's fighting Finn. And they should have accosted a random Imperial Officer to get the shields down. Doing it the way they did is just fucking weird.
God do I hate JJ Abrams. He has no understanding concerning character development and pacing. Finn's betrayal of the First Order after being indoctrinated since practically birth makes no sense, Rey's sudden understanding of how to use Force powers is a blatantly cheap way of moving the plot along, Kylo Ren's betrayal of Luke Skywalker for Snoke has no basis because no one without brain damage would be stupid enough to follow in Darth Vader's footsteps when all he knows about him comes from people who directly knew Vader, and half the shit in the movie has to be explained by the new expanded universe because JJ Abrams was too busy cramming shit into one movie when there are four more confirmed movies where he could develop everything.
God this movie was terrible. The only reason why it's redeemable is because Harrison Ford is spectacular and could save the soul of Satan if he was given a script and a camera crew.
At this point I'd be content with just Lucas' shit, good and bad.
Does it really matter? Even when the old EU was considered canon it was still ignored in all the mainline series anyway. This shit is no different from the millions of subpar Gundam mangas out there.
That's what happens with any franchise that has limited material - they mine out everything they can. Every single alien you ever saw in the background of any shot? They aren't just some random towner or poor schmuck that just happened to be there that day, no, all of them have had grand adventures one way or another.
It's the same way that Aunt May can't just be Aunt May, no, now we have to hear about how she used to be a secretary at the CIA or some nonsense.
>That means, best case scenario, that wounded trooper is at the mercy of the Resistance.
I feel bad for the
ResistanceThey have a lot of pain coming to them.
>That's what happens with any franchise that has limited material - they mine out everything they can. Every single alien you ever saw in the background of any shot? They aren't just some random towner or poor schmuck that just happened to be there that day, no, all of them have had grand adventures one way or another.
Star Wars also has the habit of making every alien on screen the representative of its race. Rodians are all bounty hunters because Greedo. Chiss are all keikaku geniuses. And Twilek females are all sluts/slaves
>Kylo Ren's betrayal of Luke Skywalker for Snoke has no basis because no one without brain damage would be stupid enough to follow in Darth Vader's footsteps when all he knows about him comes from people who directly knew Vader,
1) We don't know how much they actually told him of his grandfather
2) Their own knowledge of him could be seen as suspect thanks to
3) The fact a large chunk of the OT hangs on the fact that Vader's old friend kept a LOT of his knowledge of the man a secret from his own children, couching it in 'certain point of view' to get around letting Luke know that his father turned into a murderous asshole.
What a stupid thing to say. Concept art shouldn't be used as a basis to decide facts about the universe of the final work, especially if there's reason to believe the ideas in that concept art have been discarded. It being an "idea" doesn't mean anything in-universe.
who said it "decided facts"? This isn't a discussion of in-universe stuff anyway. This is about real-world people finding the thought of a stormtrooper wielding a lightsaber ludicrous when it was almost part of the foundation of the franchise.
Remember around this time lightsabers are considered old tech and shit of legends.
Getting your hands on one would be a bitch.
Not to mention learning to use the fucker.
Then you have to worry about Jedi fanfags trying to yank that shit. And god forbid you lose it in battle.
Hey, MW-1740, seems there's been some chitchat around the base that you have a lightsaber. Now I know your had the rules programmed into you that you can use unauthorized weaponry. Sooo...I'm gonna have to take that with...me. Alrighty, gonna need that weapons check report in my hands by 0200 hours. Thaaaanks.
While we're talking about this kind of stuff, could someone explain to me how the AT-ATs performed on a desert planet?
It just seems like they wouldn't function all that well in a desert. I mean, how comparable are the deserts or Jakka to the winter hellhole of Hoth?
What are the chances of the First Order bringing back combat droids alongside stormtroopers?
Or a revived and modernized Dark Trooper project, given their technological advances?
Yeah yeah, something something, modern day drone and military evils represented, but it'd be a nice and logical rounding of both OT and Prequel Trilogy with the First Order's relative lack of manpower (compared to the former Empire) but advances in technology.
>member of a four-man team
>one teammate dies
>only makes his LOYALTY harder
only one stage left
>come back after brutal injury with a scar and a HUGE chip on his shoulder
No, it's not fun wasting money on an overhyped movie that ended up being rehashed, poorly written garbage. The only thing that was fun was Han Solo and Chewbacca and now he's dead.
Bit late to this party, but >>13695921
>Mary Sue/Gary Stu has lost all meaning
The fuck are you smoking, no they haven't.
People misuse words all the damn time, but that doesn't invalidate the words themselves, that's not how shit works.
The first problem is calling a male friendship a bromance. It cheapens the relationship and gives it a homoerotic spin. So that's why two male characters can't be close loving friends on screen without someone fetishising it as gay.
It's a two-way street there. Yes, some of it's the fetishizing, but also the better part of a decade+ of "...no homo!" from guys trying to head that off prematurely has sort of invited the comparison to happen despite itself.
What percentage of men aren't thugabees or bros? Just because you don't fit the explicit criteria doesn't mean you don't exhibit aspects of them. I knew a short, fat, gay (bottom) feminist dude who liked Homestuck and Meguca. The exact opposite of a bro. He still turned into a demon whenever you played competitive games with and/or fucked him. You can't turn off dat testosterone.
In the old EU there was the Shadowtroopers, Elite Stromtrooper-Dark Jedi hybrids from the video game Jedi Knight II:Jedi Outcast
>Source: Before the Awakening
This is a source for the fact that there was a trooper nicknamed Zeroes who has beef with Finn from their Academy days cause Finn ruined his winstreak in baton class.
However, that book does not state that Zeros and TR-8R are the same stormtrooper. If you have additional references to confirm this fantheory, I'd like to see them.