Damn,why is Dougram so based? I'm right at episode 65 and can't stop.
Where else have you seen choppers being deadly (even though I've lost count of how many fucking Chico has shot down on his own, the guy is a murder machine), people with unique designs (based Shioyama), everyone is badass, and won't even start talking about Lecoque, the glorious, greedy bastard.
I know this series is largely praised, and now I know why. I can only wonder what would happen if Dougram was being aired nowadays - would it be weekly plot/politics discussion or just being ignored because it's "boring"?
Anyway, Dougram thread?
>would it be weekly plot/politics discussion
I would hope so--it's been a long time since there's been an /m/ show with that level of political depth. Sure, I imagine that these days you'd have trolls going "dougram more like slowgram" or something like that, but the quality of the show itself would ward off most of 'em, IMO.
I also imagine there'd be a lot of threads starting with "ITT people who did nothing wrong" and a picture of Denon.
That's a good question. He always struck me as fairly resilient/adaptable, though. I think he might be able to settle down as a mechanic somewhere, though with his personality I could also see him going back to his delinquent ways and meeting a bad end because of it.
>I would hope so--it's been a long time since there's been an /m/ show with that level of political depth. Sure, I imagine that these days you'd have trolls going "dougram more like slowgram" or something like that, but the quality of the show itself would ward off most of 'em, IMO.
I love how even when there's no action at all in some episodes, the intrigue is done in a way it keeps the viewer hooked. Most series look incredibly bland by these standards when you compare them to one with such depth of intrincate relations and consequences of each individual act as Dougram depicts. I can only wonder what we could have by now if Kanda were still alive.
>I also imagine there'd be a lot of threads starting with "ITT people who did nothing wrong" and a picture of Denon.
Didn't finish yet but it feels like one of those situations were there are no bad guys at all. Even Lecoque is just greedy and ambitious, not exactly "evil".
Anyway, wanted to find some of those hilarious newspapers with Arab League headers and found this. Dougram Papercraft. Yay
Kid shot down a chopper with a handgun.
No way he can live normally after that.
I'm at ep 40.This show knows how to do guerrilla war right, unlike those bullshit in Code Geass or Aldnoah.Zero. The characters are suprisingly human. None of the "I want to destroy the world 'cause suffering waaa" stupidity.
>This show knows how to do guerrilla war right, unlike those bullshit in Code Geass or Aldnoah.Zero
To be frank, neither of those shows are about guerrilla war, let alone a semi-realistic one, so of course they wouldn't do the same thing.
>The characters are suprisingly human. None of the "I want to destroy the world 'cause suffering waaa" stupidity.
Real or merely subjective stupidity is a very human trait though, which you will find in many, many shows. Humanity isn't, unfortunately, an uniformly rational species. The world wouldn't be so fucked up otherwise.
It's relevant as in "states try to do that" because the theory exists and sounds nice on paper, but in practical reality that's not exactly working out too well. Guerrilla wars, in the current world, are quite a bit more complicated than that.
Ryosuke Takahashi was truly on a hot streak in the 80's. VOTOMS, Dougram, Galient, and Layzner are some of the best mecha series from that decade. The late Takayuki Kanda also deserves notice for Vifam, Dragonar, and Merrowlink.
Required viewing for all Dougram fans: The Battle of Algiers - the move Takahashi based Dougram on.
In 1954, the Algerian War for Independence began; the insurgency was performed in classic "cell" fashion using terrorist bombing tactics. France, smarting from humiliation in French Indo-China, sent in an iron-hard Lieutenant-Colonel and his paratroopers to smash the insurgency.
Saadi Yacef, one of the leaders of the National Liberation Front, stars in the film.
A gripping masterpiece, it's regarded as an important film about urban guerrilla warfare and colonialism by state and insurgent groups alike. So controversial in France it was banned for 5 years.
There's only one set of subs available, from Crinn (xnebula dot a spot for blogs dot com). You don't have to worry about the translation, it is *excellent.* The font size is a little small, but it's softsubbed so you can change it to a bigger one in Aegissub if you like. Aside from that, there are pretty much no complaints about the subs.
>get the Revoltechs.
The revo is awesome, but good luck trying to find the old ones. There's the Legacy line and Dougram got a re-release this year (it's up for pre-order in most places) but the inflated price is outrageous. You'd spend less in a much better (and bigger) option with the Max Factory model kit.
Actually, I've seen a collector's box with all the old 1/144 models (10 or so) for about 4k. They're small, old and need painting, but might be an excellent option for fans who want a complete collection.
There should be a full torrent of the series floating around, but alas, I think those raws are the only ones we have. I'm not sure if Dougram was ever released in a higher quality format (I don't think it has any BDs out there). If it was, it would be mighty expensive to get and rip those ;_;
>Select one episode from the torrent, uncheck the rest
>test to see if it's up to your quality standards
It's somewhat better--the Youtube stream has a lot of those artifacts and stuff, etc. that always come with streaming. But the art and animation isn't much better; Dougram is a very old series, released not long after the original Gundam, and you have to accept a lot of QUALITY with shows from that time period. Again, there are no better raws (much less touched-up BD ones) that I'm aware of ;-;
Like this? They knew. Also that subtle jab at the Koreans.
Dougram had the best episode previews.
VOTOMS' previews was written in a similar poetic style, but Masato Yamanouchi's narration in Dougram made them much more dramatic.
scrolling past quickly it looks like a screen cap from Kinnikuman
That picture looks awful familiar, did you take it yourself? If not, it might be one I took a month or two ago.
I'm amazed that this isn't brought up more often, Crinn's muscle definition goes from relatively normal to ridiculously ripped between episodes.
The show certainly picks up for good after a certain point which I think is about 20-30 episodes in. I was also bored at first but it gets much more interesting once everything is set up.
>I'm amazed that this isn't brought up more often, Crinn's muscle definition goes from relatively normal to ridiculously ripped between episodes.
Really? I've seen Crinnshiro everytime we have a Dougram thread. Actually, to be fair, everyone becomes a beefcake in some episodes. Even fucking Heckle.
When I was watching the show I thought it was just Crinn growing up and the bulky Crinn was intentional.
Between the threat of constant death and the physical requires of actually being a guerrilla mixed with his natural changes in hormones and influx of testosterone I figured he was actually bulking up.
I also didn't realize just how long he'd turned Guerrilla. I figured it had been at least a year since he ran away from home or maybe more.
I was thinking when he finally meets back up with Daisy she might not even recognize him because she'd still remember Crinn the boy and not Crinn the fully grown man/hardened guerrilla.
Then a few episodes later he goes back to being normal.
It was an act.
Given the tone, it's understandable. Dougram's previews is more patriotic in nature while Votoms preview is more on exploring the main character's psyche and it's surroundings. Both are suitable to the show it represented.
I remember that episode, it was bullshit. Locke, Rocky and Chico survived so much stuff that should have killed them. I know that happens all the time in Dougram but this episode just took it too far. I ended up feeling really bad for the Earth soldiers and I was hoping for them to get a kill to balance out the universe.
I don't think any other show's plot armour has annoyed me as much as Dougram, the show tries to be realistic and grounded most of the time, and it does a good job, but then a solid minute of shooting from like ten guys at a man suspended in the air fails to do anything. I just felt frustrated for the soldiers who had to fight the Fang of the Sun, they couldn't catch a break.
>I just felt frustrated for the soldiers who had to fight the Fang of the Sun, they couldn't catch a break.
If by nothing wrong you mean killing children for the revolution and ruining the Cuban economy when he was a minister (as pretty much every comunist government did except for China), yea, he really did nothing wrong.