Rosetta Mission Landing

>>11660253
>awesome Mars landing
I remember the first time I read how they were planning to put Curiosity down I thought: 'Holy crap. What idiot approved that plan?'. They sure proved me wrong. I hope this on goes well. Hopefully there's gonna be some amazing video coming in.

Time to invade another celestial body with our automatons.
Hail Terra!

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>>11660291
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fz0uzahERL8
Good times.

Almost three hours bump.

>>11660253
This is yet more unwarranted human intrustion into the natural environment. We should stop this pollution of our natural space with junk like this, which won't degrade until it is caught in a gravitational well and dragged into a world's atmosphere.

>>11663171
Are you for real.

>>11663171
does your planet need its own pronoun?

>>11663202
YOU CAN'T JUST ASK A LARGE TRANS ORBIT-BOUND BODY SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

>>11663171
i want comets to leave 4chan

>>11663191
Yes. We've already fucked up our planet with things like the Pacific Garbage Patch, and our orbital space is dirty as shit. I fully expect a Kessler event within the next decade, when we will finally be stopped from expanding past this fragile world of ours to others until we solve our wasteful and polluting impulses.

The resources used for spaceflight and space exploration would be much better spent on Earth anyway. The entire NASA budget could've funded full public health care for every American, not just citizens but also the undocumented inhabitants of the nation and the unemployed and homeless. Or we could build new cities for them with that budget, providing jobs in construction and homes at the same time.

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It's that time again.

>>11663265

Do... Do you hear that? 'T is the sound of trumpets... Trumpets announcing the arrival of the solution.

And it's known as SpaceX.

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>>11663265
>Public healthcare
>Space exploration
>American
Pick two

>>11660320
This was and remains one of the greatest things I've ever seen.

>>11663325
Landing delayed. No hype today.

>>11663413
You do know that no nation in the world offers both universal public healthcare and runs its own space exploration program, right?

>>11663465
It's still a go. The counter-recoil thruster isn't working so they're just relying on the harpoon anchors only.

>>11663485
>Counter-Recoil
And this is why modern spaceflight is fucked. People come up with extraneous, unnecessary equipment because they need a purpose in the space program, costing billions more than it should. Just look at Mars Direct for a story of how Mars missions have continually been screwed over by departments trying to get a slice of big gov money.

>>11663502
What the hell are you talking about?

>>11663506
Presumably they already have thrusters to get the craft back on path to the Earth, yes? So why do they need a dedicated counter-recoil thruster when they can land with harpoons and get back with a proper engine?

>>11663512
Rosetta hasn't been a return mission since 1993. Even if it was, escape engines would be pointing exactly the wrong way to counteract harpoon launch forces.

>>11663469

Japan.

JAXA isn't a big program, but it's there and government-funded.

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>>11663265

Go away Kojima. I had to hear this speech from Gates once already, I don't need to hear it again.

>>11663565
Japan has a nationalized health system? I had no idea.

>>11663594
Pretty much every first world country besides Americaland has one. America is just ass-backwards because the citizens there could be convinced to commit suicide if they were told that living is the gubberrn'munt stealing muh freedoms.

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SOON

>>11663825

Don't even start,

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>Drills
>Harpoons
That's pretty /m/.

>>11663265
>NASA
>budget
Pick one.

If you wanna use the budget from a government organisation, use the defence budget. How much money have they spent on stuff like the F-35 already?

>>11663265
>Kessler event

PLEASE HAPPEN

I WANT TO BE A SPACE GARBAGE MAN SO BAD

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>>11663512
>>11663502
You goofball, the counter-recoil thruster is there to help shove the lander into the comet as and after it touches the surface. It counters the thrust of the harpoons deploying. This is important because the comet has such a hilariously small gravitational field that you need just the right amount of speed (and thus force) to "stick" without bouncing right off, as well as luck in the landing zone being made of something solid and dig-able instead of powder.

>>11664369
We Planetes now.

>>11663502
>>11663512
Newton's third law of motion, nigga.

It's the same reason the Apollo 13 guys didn't dump their pee into space(and instead have them bagged up in bags) when they were waiting to get back home in the capsule after shit gone wrong.

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>>11664369
Manual retrieval of space junk would be massively uneconomical. Most likely solution involves ground based high powered lasers.

http://spie.org/x84761.xml

>>11663565
And its economy is doing fantastic, right?

>>11663265
sounds like somebodies soul is bound by gravity

>>11663265
>We
I am not China.

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>>11663265
What you're talking about is an argument against the launch of communications satellites and even regular resupplies to the ISS, which litter our orbit with debris from their rockets. No one gives a shit about a fridge-sized lander in the massive, empty void that is the rest of our solar system, especially when it's expected to ride a comet for the next forever and thus would be indistinguishable from any of its other debris for collision purposes.

And no one's going to stop launching communications satellites.

Investment in space exploration returns massive benefits to us. Things like LASIK, hydroponics, GPS (commonly thought to be entirely the military's doing), kidney dialysis, and some forms of water filtration systems all stem from research done on the NASA dime to solve space-based problems, to say nothing of what other agencies have helped in. NASA also developed EZVI, a clean-up solution to take care of dangerous chemicals resulting from their own launches, which has seen widespread adoption for all sorts of environmental shit unrelated to its original creation. From stuff like this and more, it's been said that every dollar invested in space exploration is returned to us as 1.7. That's pretty damn great, and it's fantastic that NASA and other space agencies can produce real, tangible improvements to our quality of life through pushing the boundaries of SCIENCE, not just improved "brown people murdering" techniques like military research arms.

People with an understanding of space, or who have been there, have a far greater appreciation for the fragility of our world than us. When you get out into orbit and see that tiny blue-green marble, with its lack of borders, or can see from year to year the changing colors of the planet and shrinking ice caps, and learn about all the incredibly deadly things out in the void that could wipe us out in a snap, you really begin to realize exactly how insignificantly tiny and precious the planet is.

fug u

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>ESA livestream just had an interview with a scientist named Klim
Can we get any more /m/

>>11663594

Everyone in Japan is given health care, no matter what. It's part of why their taxes are kinda high.

You CAN buy into a private plan if you want, and that provides better coverage of course, but the public option is always there.

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>http://new.livestream.com/esa/cometlanding
Why are you not on this stream, /m/?

>>11664541
is there more than one?

>>11664546
Probably, but this is the one all the cool cats are watching. That's an old image but he was cool.

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>>11664546
There's NASA TV streaming their coverage too.

http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/

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soon

IT'S HAPPENING
IT'S HAPPENING RIGHT NOW

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Fire the harpoons!

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>>11664644
>It's happened but we won't find out for 28 minutes

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I can't fucking take this pressure.

>>11664677
Imagine how the people who have spent years on this feel. Damn slow-ass speed of light.

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>>11664611
Fuck you Char

>dat qt 3.14 scientist girl in the white shirt.
HNNGGGHHHH

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HE MADE IT!

WE DID IT BITCHES

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[CHEERING INTENSIFIES]

BANZAI! BANZAI!

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Euro can officially into space

The Germans have annexed the comet.

>>11664759
>tfw missed it

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breddy cool

>>11664898
This is /m/ not /pol/.

>I’m on the surface but my harpoons did not fire. My team now trying to determine why.
aaaaaaaa

>>11664847
That's not from the lander:
http://blogs.wsj.com/dispatch/2014/11/11/seven-questions-with-space-scientist-matt-taylor-on-the-rosetta-comet-mission/

>>11664847
This seems like a serious issue. I wonder if mission control is in panic mode but acting like everything is okay

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>>11664847

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Goddammit, I missed the party.

Go look at Google right now.

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what's the worst that could happen (seriously)

They just said they'd have another update at 8PM (1900 UTC). There's nobody in the Ops center, so it's either a big deal or not a big deal. MC did just say they were all doing interviews...

>>11665395
>been in space for over 10 years
>expects the equipment to work
I feel like they don't always think these operations through

>>11665395
Worst that could happen is the screw-feet fail and something knocks the lander off in the next five minutes. Or the harpoon propellant explodes and the lander is unusable, with some fragment flying out and hitting Rosetta proper. Those are both really unlikely though.

It looks like it might (and I stress _might_) have very slowly bounced off, rotated a bit, then landed again in almost the same place. Everything looks stable for now, and they're getting plenty of data.

>>11665590
I hope they can figure it out, but it looked like they were shitting bricks while trying to remain positive.

>>11665921
That's how it is, even for successful missions. There are so many things that can go wrong that something eventually does, so you have to keep a brave face on while fixing the problem. If you're lucky, and it looks like they were in this case, it can either be solved or it's not bad enough to nix the whole mission.

>>11665438
And in either case, we know this is possible now. All they have to do is figure out what went wrong and make sure it doesn't happen again. Or at least do their best to make sure it doesn't happen again.

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>Philae lands without its thruster working, harpoons hooking, or screws anchoring
>bounces off the landing zone and falls back down repeatedly
>winds up AN ENTIRE KILOMETER AWAY
>INSIDE A CAVE
This is bad from a battery charging standpoint because it means less sun from the panels, but the team is hoping that as the comet continues to move they'll get a better angle and the light conditions will improve somewhat on a non-short term basis.

>>11670122
God, it's so weird. It looks like the set of an old sci-fi movie.

It's surreal and really throwing me. Like, even Mars throws me since it looks like Arizona.

NOTE: I've never been to Arizona.

>>11671570
Tell me about it.
A probe malfunctions and lands off course in a cave with god knows what in it.
It's a premise of a sci-fi thriller.

>>11671615
Heh, I was just thinking about some sort of all-powerful creator God using comets and meteors as seeds of life in the universe.

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>>11671627
It could even have its own special sign.

>>11671648
I recognize that.

>>11664363
Fun fact the US military currently gets over 53% of the national yearly budget. At their height during the Apollo years they used less than 1%(1969)

>>11671712
Nasa that is

>>11671570
>>11671615
What if they find like a tomb or something in there? Oh God, I'm shitting bricks now...

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>>11672157

http://www.technobuffalo.com/2014/11/13/philaes-new-mission-is-already-coming-to-an-end/

Feels bad man. Still, they have 64 hours of battery life remaining, so at least they'll be able to get some data thanks to that (and maybe catch a glimpse of anything hiding in that cave)

>>11674899
Poor little probe, she waited so long for this.

>>11674899
Welp, there's 1 billion euros down the drain.

>>11674983
>>11674899
The primary mission was always planned to be completeable in the 64 hours of battery life. More would've been great (and I'm sure they had an idea of what to do with it), but Philae will still accomplish what it set out to.

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one day we will be invaded by other species in space.

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Time for bitch tears

https://twitter.com/Philae2014/status/533419281783214080

>>11674983
The lander has completley 100% of its science objectives even after ending up in buttfuck rocky outcrop on its side.

https://twitter.com/Philae2014/status/533414924358545408

And chances are it will still wake up next august with more sunlight. 1 billion euros well spent.

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>>11677323
Sleep well little probe, you did good.

>>11663594

Japan was like, the FIRST big experiment in full on welfare state, all the other first world countries looked at how things went and adopted the useful policies without going too overboard to gimp their own economies.

Except America... who are so irrationally terrified of any policy even remotely approaching the socialist side of the spectrum that they'd instead of streamlining healthcare into an efficient system that works with two or three options, they'd rather leave objectively worse options open so that people can have muh freedom to make the wrong choice.

>>11677330
Plus now Space Indiana Jones can go get it in a century to put it in a museum.

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>>11677323
>https://twitter.com/Philae2014/status/533419281783214080

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>>11677323
Goodnight Philae.
You done did good, kid.

>>11677323
Goddamnit. I showed those little cartoons of Rosetta and Philae travelling in all my classes. They were goddamn adorable. This is so fucking heartbreaking.

>https://twitter.com/Philae2014/status/533423541413502976

Goodnight sweet price.

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>>11677413
>You will never go to the Lunar museum and see with your own eyes the Eagle, Armstrong's footprint and what's left of the flag in your lifetime

It's part of Shinto belief that hand-crafted and beloved tools will come to life after a century, once the electricity (which itself seen as a spirit) leaves them.

I'd like to think that our space probes out there will one day come back to us.

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>>11677323

>>11677947
Never thought I'd have feels like this in my lifetime, at least until AI's become a thing.
Maybe I'll see some of those probes on the other side.

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>>11677947
>our space probes out there will one day come back to us

>>11678781
Just have to make sure we only send out at most three additional Voyagers.

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>>11677925
Looking on the brighter side, If SpaceX can pull off what it proclaims to achieve, you may witness the birth of Humanity's efforts to colonize space beyond Earth's sphere of influence

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>I just started lifting myself up a little and will now rotate to try and optimize the solar power!

>Also my rotation was successful (35 degrees). Looks like a whole new comet from this angle:)

>My #lifeonacomet has just begun @ESA_Rosetta. I'll tell you more about my new home, comet #67P soon… zzzzz

I-it's okay, /m/. It managed to rotate so its panels get some light. When the comet gets closer to the sun several months from now, there's a chance there'll be enough light to charge the batteries back up. Believe in Philae.

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>>11682929
well that's good news

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkzGSMxPFiE

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Anyone know how long until 67P/Churyumov–Gerasimenko reaches periapsis?

>>11686757
Next August, I think.

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>Philae lands in a shadow and can't recharge its batteries.
What a shamefur dispray of engineering. You're supposed to plan that trajectory shit out. That's what math is for. At least it was able to fulfill the basic part of the mission so far and analyze some samples from the comet.

>>11689664
They did plan that trajectory shit out. They also landed in pretty much exactly the right spot. None of the anchoring mechanisms worked properly and Philae ended up elsewhere.

Not everything goes according to plan when literally no one has ever done anything like it before.

>>11683184
Wonder if this mission can be recreated in kerbal?

>>11690116
Sure it can there's all sorts of asteroids and comets I think