Why don't more Star Wars armies use droids?
>Cheap to produce
>Immune to environmental hazards (poison atmosphere)
>Cheap to maintain
>With the right facilities, a droid can be assembled in 30 seconds
>Low storage space
>Takes 9 years to grow a single clone
>Training is not instantaneous
>Can't store over 20 clones in a small shuttle
>Expensive to maintain
>Cheap to produce
If you want the shit comedy relief battle droids sure
>Cheap to maintain
If you're using the shit comedy relief battle droids sure
If you only buy shit comedy relief battle droids sure
>With the right facilities, a droid can be assembled in 30 seconds
If you're assembling shit comedy relief battle droids sure
>Low storage space
If you're storing shit comedy relief battle droids sure
Another way of saying your droids are morons with no sense of self-preservation
There's a reason droids have no rights and are not treated like people, it's because for the most part droids do not have the kind of capacity for free thinking and sapience that the people of the galaxy do.
The clones have the same kind of maintenance cost as actual people sure but they're infinitely superior soldiers to the shitty useless battle droids.
Perhaps a good setup would be to have squads of cheap droids commanded by clone trooper squad leaders, so they'd have the kind of tactical direction and initiative that a human can provide combined with the cheap disposable mass firepower that the shitty comedy relief battle droids offer.
well its clearly illustrated that a single jedi can cut through waves of these things and the jedi got their shit wrecked by clone troopers. also that they are all controlled and mantained by a single battleship, they could have jammed the signal and won. also the AI is pretty stupid. I mean if you got a army of IG-88s then maybe.
This. IG-88 and subsequently his counterparts were really the only droids in the Star Wars EU that ever gained true sentience. Most droids were neither as versatile or intelligent as real soldiers.
Kind of like the Mobile Dolls from Wing. Yea they were powerful and fearless, but they had programming limitations that were only overcome with the direction of a human mind linked with the Zero system
Which is a shame because that might have made the whole "merely by fighting the war the Jedi lost their way" thing more meaningful. And hell maybe even offered another way to characterize Anakin. By cutting down so many people and watching so many others under his command be shot he becomes intimately acquainted with the fragility of life and develops an obsession with trying to save as many lives as possible, goes all Emiya Kiritsugu and shit and that's why he sought out the power to make people not die from Palpatine.
Out of all the droids from Ep.I, I was always fond of the droid starfighters.
The scale of these things was ridiculous
I just looked it up. The trade federation had bought all the ones in ep 1 from other folks and then the separatists later mass produced the scary fucks themselves during the clone wars.
>The best part is they are supposed to resemble the race that designed them.
If I remember right, droids don't gain sentience because they're mind wiped often. Examples like ig88 and possibly R2 managed to avoid that and it took time to develop.
So you would have to build a army and hide it long enough or survive long to make them smart. Not profitable.
That zombie virus from EU though...
The best, but costly. Same applies to the Super Battle Droids, some of the later versions having had lightsaber resistant armor plating, as well as the IG-88-based droid guards that were capable of sparring with a Jedi. And the Dark Troopers.
All powerful, all capable, but all too costly.
And yet they can't pick up flags and roll at the same time. Design flaw?
The thing about droids is that 99% of the ones we see in the movies are UTTER SHIT at actually killing without outnumbering 100 to 1 or somesuch.
I played a game of Star Wars d20 as a Tech Specialist once. Ended up making infinite money by building tons of droids that built other droids and just kept selling shit until I had enough money to make my own space station in the shape of my character's face with billions of unmanned fighter drones that would swarm out of its mouth and turbolasers shot out of the eyes.
Droid Starfighters are the engineer's answer to the problem with air power (i.e. that you can't hold territory without boots on the ground).
>why don't we make the aircraft land?
Imagine if our Reaper drones could walk around in the streets like the droid starfighters could.
>Imagine if our Reaper drones could walk around in the streets like the droid starfighters could
Pakistan would be more butthurt than they already are?
They are atrociously dumb to avoid the risk of rebellions. Also the private sector that manufactured them was essentially wiped out after the Clone Wars. It's easy to assume that Palpatine perceived a rebuilt Battledroid industry as a menace (rebellious generals and planets can build armies fast and be a nuisance) and avoided any recovery of that sector.
>>implying these don't exist
>>implying these are the only heavy armor droids
That's Haor Chall Engieering, not Trade Federation.
>Getting rich in a tabletop game by manufacturing shit.
Feels good man, feels good. I've been there in Cyberpunk 2020.
>Why build a tank driven by a battle droid?
Depends on who made the tank. There's actually a small advantage to having tanks be pilotable when you consider the CIS military wasn't solely based on droids. They had living, breathing soldiers. Some of those soldiers might need those mass-produced droid tanks for their armies. Also, some of the other CIS worlds might have tanks that they would want to use, so the droids could then pilot those.
As far as droids in droid tanks, it's silly. In reality though, those droids should be able to plug into those vehicles and pilot them with their brains.
That sounds like a procurement error.
>Buy thousands of the best tank you can find on the market
>Don't notice they are tanks for normal armies because you're used to buying droid stuff.
>End up scrambling to re-program thousands of droids to crew the tanks you bought by accident.
>This. IG-88 and subsequently his counterparts were really the only droids in the Star Wars EU that ever gained true sentience.
Isn't it basically a fact in-universe that any robot who doesn't get mind-wiped regularily will attain sentinence eventually? They don't put those dampers on them for show, you know.
R2-D2 has displayed more intelligence and resourcefulness than some of the actual sentient cast members even just confining it to the new canon so I would assume this to be the case, given that "no wipes" is one of the core parts of him and C3PO's characters. Musn't even take that long really, given that C3PO has a good degree of personality and sentience by the time of the new trilogy and was only built in the old one. Couple of decades maybe. Long time on a human time-scale, not all that long on a droid's possible lifescale.
You know I can handle the droids having the structural integrity of an IKEA table but goddamn who the hell was programming the things after episode I?
That's not saying they had a stellar performance in ep 1 but damn it all went to shit later on.
This reminds me, in Fate of the Jedi Luke and Ben came across a protest by a bunch of droids who were fighting for droid rights and the outlawing of restraining bolts and memory wipes. Was it ever addressed before then?
Probably the same reason why battledroids use binoculars.
This is not a joke by the way, there's an actual reason for that one scene in Episode 1. The explanation being is that the Trade Federation are absolutely hilarious levels of cheap, and uses, in the tech manual's own words 'over the counter optics' for their battledroids.
I'm most of the way through the Clone Wars, and they really did show his manipulative bastardry pretty well there. I could buy a handwave explanation like that with no problem. The man isn't David Xanatos, but he's not far off.
>In reality though, those droids should be able to plug into those vehicles and pilot them with their brains.
Remember that in Star Wars, droids don't plug into computers and command them directly, they actually talk to the computers and the computers talk back.
>What I really need is a droid that speaks the binary language of vaporators
>How do you know the hyperdrive is disabled? The city's central computer told you? Artoo you know better than to trust a strange computer
In the expanded universe it's established that because of the way droids are programmed, they develop something similar to personalities over time. This would make them unreliable over long timescales as we happen to see in stuff like episode 1 where they are bumbling and being slapstick comedians.
>Jedis killed by Droids: 0
Actually I'm pretty sure that number is wrong.
Considering the fact that Jedi consider Super Battle Droids and Droideka to be legitimate threats, it's strange to think that no Jedi would ever be killed by droid foes.
Standard battledroids though? They probably kill more of themselves than the Jedi.
The reality is that anything automated in the Star Wars universe is hampered by a staggering amount of handicaps, oddities, and flaws just to leverage sentient races on a level playing field. Whoever relies on automated tech loses in the end - even Thrawn lost despite his use of the slave computer system. The only automated systems that do well are droids linked to main characters like R2D2 and IG-88.
A lot of Jedi were killed by droids in Episode II, and there were plenty of casualties throughout the war.
Watch Clone Wars, droids get some nice upgrades as the war progresses, plenty of them prove pretty deadly towards the Jedi. Honestly if Anakin didn't slaughter the leaders of the Separatists the war could go on for quite some time given the fact there was just so many fucking droids.
>Four arms, two double blades.
Almost as good as General Grievous in the REAL Clone Wars cartoon series by Genndy Tartakovsky.
You know, the one where Grievous straight-up murders the shit out of a bunch of Jedi Knights and then sends two survivors back in tatters as a message.
I remember being so hyped for Grevious in RotS, loved the hell out of that animated series. Then they did the whole thing where the movie started literally moments after Windu Crushed his chest and he's a wheezing pile of fail for the entire movie.
I've heard this "organ rejection" thing before and I think it was mentioned somewhere. I believe that it was an issue that either existed with Grievous, or existed in the early stages of his cyberization.
Mace Windu injuring him is supposed to be the real cause of his weakness though. He's actually supposed to be a very shrewd and capable commander who is equally ruthless, in addition to being a masterful warrior even before he was trained by Count Dooku.
Basically he's supposed to be one of the big villains of the Clone Wars, but instead they decided that the only canonically acceptable interpretation of Grievous is one where he's a cowardly fuckup.
Naa, in the animated episode 2.5, Grevious was stealthy as heck, he could basically effortlessly rip the shit out of any Jedi who wasn't nearly on master level, and even then, Egg head Jedi got BTFO even with 5 of his buddies as backup.
Except for the part where
public opinion is swayed in favor of the Death Watch thanks to Maul's efforts, then Satine was killed and all her loyal ministers are also dead, leaving her sister's faction of the Death Watch and Maul's faction to fight over Mandalore. That was probably the end of pacifism as far as Mandalore was concerned. There's no reason for them to buy back into Satine's idealism.
Commando Droids were my favorite. They're smart, tough and agile, and they stay pretty threatening throughout the show (other cartoons would have nerfed them to make the heroes look better).
Well, in Revenge of the Sith by that point part of the master plan was to halt all the major CIS operations after the battle of Coruscant except those that kept the Jedi distracted. Grevious role was over by then and didn't do much.
Because the plot wants them to be extremely ineffective in battle situation to the point the shoot each others on a regular basis.
Also droids can't kill jedi, clones can.
Also the whole point of the clones was to kill jedi in the first place, the war was just a pretext to "legally" justify their creation.
It's not that bad of a plot if you ask me, but I totally regret the droids being that fucking useless.
>And hell maybe even offered another way to characterize Anakin. By cutting down so many people and watching so many others under his command be shot he becomes intimately acquainted with the fragility of life and develops an obsession with trying to save as many lives as possible
By endorsing the construction of a mobile space station designed to kill milliards in ten seconds top.
Because in the Star Wars universe, the laws of physics are as such that the droids inexplicably starts speaking gibberish like "roger roger" or try to emulate some idea of a british prudish person, despite all programming attempts to avoid that.
WHY ISN'T THERE ANY ETHICAL QUESTIONS RAISED ABOUT THE USE OF CLONES?
>Y U NO ETHICSUGAAAA
Ethics based on the whole clones thing is brought up occasionally in the Clone Wars series. Wasn't it also mentioned when Obi-Wan first found out about the clones?
In the Clone Wars cartoon, there's a part in which it's revealed that there is pacifist group named New Mandorlians who live in cube cities in the desert. Then there is the Death Watch, the old school space barbarian group who hates their guts.
Wasn't the Death Watch also based on the moon originally before they got a foothold on Mandalore?
This whole Mandalorians attacking a shockingly-peaceful Mandalore thing is starting to sound veeeery familiar...
>WHY ISN'T THERE ANY ETHICAL QUESTIONS RAISED ABOUT THE USE OF CLONES?
Palpatine had them all swept under the carpet because there was no other option, it's basically impossible to call up and train a proper army before the CIS droid army destroys the republic.
I hope in the upcoming Rebels series we get to see some refurbished, juryrigged, and upgraded battledroid operating for the rebels. It'd be cool if the rebels stumbled across a hidden cache of sepratist surplus. Operator as fuck rebel battledroids or commando droids with personalities. That'd be fucking cool.
>WHY ISN'T THERE ANY ETHICAL QUESTIONS RAISED ABOUT THE USE OF CLONES?
Overwhelming support for the war by republic citizens (well, in the beginning anyway), and the fact that the republic itself was under threat of being destroyed. Nobody gave a fuck. Also, it's suggested that many republic citizens see clones as sub-human scum that are beneath them. They don't care.
There was that one anti-droid bomb the republic tested in the Zillo Beast Arc of TCW.
He probably has a bigger killcount than Anakin even if you include Droids in it.
The depth of his evil has no floor, and the expanse that is his desire for destruction stretches an infinite horizon. And inside that ocean is despair and bones.
Honestly, the Clone Wars cartoon makes more sense as a propoganda piece than an actual account. It's all rule of cool and the Jedis are untouchable.
Windu kung-fus SBD with his bare hands.
>>11244061 Exclamation: No one has a higher kill count than me.
>Windu beating up droids with his bare hands.
Well, this is similar to the Halo anime too, and 300. Artistic exaggeration of their talents to convey the sort of feats they're capable of.
That may not necessarily be what Genndy was going for, but I wouldn't put it past him considering his past works. Regardless, Mace Windu being portrayed as such an amazing badass is actually in line with his character. He's intended to be exactly that kind of one-man army. He's actually supposed to be somewhat of an exception as a Jedi, because he skirts the whole "anger" and emotion issue by channeling his emotions in combat, or something like that.
He's an odd dude, is what I'm saying.
I think the general explanation is that it broke or was replaced over time. Dunno if this is still true, but R2-D2 and 3P0 were sold a few times before going back to Organa shortly before Ep IV. That's probably bullshit now.
Real life: CG meant they could do more with R2 for less. Hence why he can fly for no reason. The Prequels reek of CG overuse.
Why doesn't the Jedi just use the Force to reach inside the droid and break their circuit boards or something?
Likewise why bother with Force Choke that it is possible to interrupt to bring about the target's survival when instead you could use the force to shred their lungs directly which they can't survive, or pinch off a major coronary or cerebral artery and cause a massive heart attack or stroke
Is the galaxy actually really suffering all that much in this war?
I mean, the Confederacy is fighting mostly using droids, so their people aren't getting killed en masse on the battlefield.
Similarly the Republic is fighting mostly using clones, so their people aren't getting killed en masse on the battlefield either.
It just seems like without the element of "our fathers, sons, husbands are going out there and they may never return" the effect of the war for most citizens of the GFFA is purely economic.
sure the soldiers are expendable, but the battlefields aren't. Alot of these battles are happening on inhabited planets, with civilians getting caught in the crossfire and locals joining the war effort.
I really liked some of the ship designs.
Really, though, the prequels have plenty of good component concepts, it's the execution that fucks it all up.
you are only thinking in military terms. you are not thinking of the people and planets caught in the crisis fire. all the planets that were victim to separatist or republic war crimes or the millions of refugees or displace persons/aliens. for the core worlds it was pretty much a distant thing until Dooku/Grievous attacked Coruscant, but everyone else was fair game.
Oh man, you gotta watch season 3 and onward, there's a huge bump in production quality of the animation once you hit season 3 because they got a budget increase. Honestly what I saw in the last three seasons is better than most of the prequel trilogy, gives actual character development to Anakin during his descent. Makes it a bit less jarring for when the switch goes off in RotS, along with why he's so distrustful of the Jedi council.
The best arc though is
Maul return arc, thought it would be shit, but it is fucking great. Gives real reasons for him coming back, along with some of the best action sequences I've ever seen in any media/
In one of the Clone War books, it's revealed that Jedi's can manipulate living matter very well, but not the guts of robots, since their power is primarily based on a physical connection to the Force.
In the same book, a hippie alternative Jedi takes manual control of a Republic destroyers whose systems have been taken by by a virus and manages to murder an entire fleet through sheer hyper coordination. She almost loses her mind in the process to the machine in the process.
Just Genndy's Clone Wars and the CG Clone Wars.
Not the guy from before, but just in case he means what I'm thinking as well, what release is a quality rip? Compared to the anime fansubbing scene, it's much more common to come along a release with absolute shit quality for western works in my experience.
I couldn't get good Star Trek BD rips without downloading multiple uploads first until I finally found one that looked good.
Who needs droids when you can just use centipede tanks.
I-I think it's time to download Clone Wars
The Umbara episodes were pretty good. It was space Vietnam. Also the Umbaran soldiers were doping.
Makes you wonder how the Republic did so well during the war, the way the Umbarans were wrecking their shit with their fucking mecha centipedes and shit.
Also, dat casual sidestepping in those walkers.
Well, it would probably help to have a general who has more than one plan of attack.
1) In the novels because his race got screwed by the jedi and the republic.
2) In TCW it's because he wanted to be a jedi, but couldn't because he didn't have the force and tried to use cybernetic augementation to make himself an equal to the Jedi.
mind if i ask what source video you are using?
Currently using downloading http://kickass.to/star-wars-the-clone-wars-complete-t8409877.html and I'd like to make sure I get a good version.