>In cooperation with 15 major anime production companies and manga publishers, the Japanese government will next month start a huge extermination operation against 580 foreign sites which have illegally uploaded anime and manga contents on the web without the copyright holders' permission, NHK reported on July 28. While the government has started supporting the genre as one of their important cultural exports, there appears to be no end of illegal uploading of anime and manga via pirate sites, mainly operated by Chinese. The Cultural Affairs Agency estimates the loss caused by the Chinese pirate sites last year was amounted to at least 560 billion yen (about US$ 5.5 billion).
>On August 1, the government will start simultaneously sending requests to delete illegal anime and manga contents to the operators of the 580 foreign pirate sites which they have found. In addition, the operation will launch a new site to guide the fans to a legitimate site offering some 250 titles including the latest ones at a cost of several hundred yen.
So, are you saving all that Gundam and getting the Pastebins ready?
This is the first page of stuff that you can watch for 1000 yen ($10) a month when sorted by popularity. Also, almost all shows currently airing at least have the latest episode put up for a week.
>But it's up on streaming sites!
Which are region locked and won't let you view content (see Hulu and shit, I have to break the law to watch them so why not pirate?)
Not to mention the libraries still aren't great. I like older material which by its nature won't get put up there; also what happens when we have a situation like Daisuke where they take down series you want to watch? Or places where the internet isn't that great and streaming is difficult (which is more common then you might thing. I typically torrent at one place and bring it back home because my area has really poor internet).
I'm sorry, but you lost me back in 2009 when with a wallet full of cash, I looked online for the shows I wanted to watch to buy and couldn't find ANY OF THEM.
And you know what? The situation hasn't improved.
I'll buy the plastic crack, sure. Model kits and figures, no issue there. But I'm not paying ridiculous prices for a limited selection of shows especially when I know that paying for those shows won't result in more in the vein I enjoy.
how in the bloody loli-tentacleraping-robot-beamspamming-newtype-pikachu-slapping hell do they calculate losses that they never even made?
They're assuming pirates/streamers will legally buy an anime\manga given the chance (though i'm sure some\many will). And how do they even know how many times something is viewed\downloaded?
>Japan thinking they can do what the RIAA and Hollywood couldn't
Is it extending to YouTube? Like people who upload anime on there? The whole brave series is on there I think.
The only kind of government watch g us would be the fbi , and that's only on /b/.
[EG]Char's _Counterattack _BD(1080p _10bit)[23C71E13]. mkv
here in the cyberfuture we can transcend torrent tracking sites
>implying nyaa will ever disappear
>implying bakabt will ever disappear
>Not having your favorite material on your hard drive
>implying pirates don't always win in the end
Copyright factions never win. Whenever they remove one source, ten will take it's place
YouTube will walk away with no problems because they region lock and are takedown happy.
>implying megaupload will ever disappear
It's only been two and a half years, don't forget so easily.
We all know it will be a win for piracy, what matters is what happens in the middle.
Wow this sounds like some bullshit a fucking 12 year old would cook up
part of the site that they plan on taking down, by force of law if necessary.
frankly it'd be a hiccup, a really annoying one for users but they'll have something else up sooner rather than later to replace it.
This doesn't sound that bad. They acknowledge that piracy does have the effect of free advertising, and note that the lack of legal channels is a problem, and that they will have to offer alternatives while taking stuff down.
>implying piracy affects anything
>implying these aren't greedy corporations just trying to make more money
>implying they don't make money of DVDs/merch
Good animes sell, DVD/BD sales are noticeably high for their retarded price and lack of content.
It's not our fault many of the Japanese animes are shit and they fail to meet their expectations.
Its not our fault they sell DVD/BD at 80 or more bucks for a small amount of content.
What they need to do instead of going after pirates, is restructure their business model and sell DVD/BD at a reasonable price.
But that won't happen japanese market is seriously fucked up
the American reaction to piracy:
panic, legal threats, arrests.....but it all lead to services that tries to cater to the new demand, now you get digital music stores and netflix, not perfect but getting there.
Japan seems to be heading the same way albeit a tad slower, but Japan isn't dealing with local market like the US, they're dealing with international market which means more legal barriers to go through in terms of distribution, give them time and they might just do the right thing, if the service is good enough people will migrate to a legal outlet and the piracy issue will be negligible and everybody wins
then I suggest you grab what you can ASAP before it goes away, if this whole thing turns out to be a dud then all is well but if this turns out into another megaupload then you'll be glad you have them before the hammer comes down
>tfw Chinese sites have some hard to find obscure anime and tv shows streaming
>tfw in order to watch shows you can't watch anywhere ese
>tfw this convenience is being pissed upon by Japanese business men
Geisha no likey oyaji pissu.
The worst part of this is China has gotten self-conscious about copyright laws and shit and some sites have started to block ISPs that are outside of the country. So if they get a single complaint they shut the fucker up for Chinese eyes only. Xiami did it a few months ago. Video sites like Youku have started to block certain content from outsiders as well. As someone who enjoys old Japanese shows the idea of no having access to series like Sukeban Deka or HurricanePolymar gives me flash backs of the Megaupload Purge. I don't know about you guys but I'm backing up what I can find. Cause you never know when it might be the last time that content will ever be accessible to the internet or even outside of Japan.
>You realize that torrent files are perfectly legal, right?
More like they can't be stopped.
They aren't legal in the least. If the MPAA could figure out a way to stop torrenting they would in a heart beat.
Torrent files can be stopped, and the sites hosting them stopped.
However torrent files themselves aren't illegal as they aren't directly infringing copyright, all they do is allow a program to share specific parts of a file with other programs on other computers. If you wanted to take down torrents you'd end up taking down a shit load of sites, which would cost millions in legal fees, compared to taking down 100 or so streaming sites that actually host copyright breaking content.
And they have such excellent translations too.
$100 is a very reasonable price for a box set by Japanese standards.
Unless you meant the sort of "box set" where they go and split the series up into four of them in which case yeah, $100 each sounds about right.
The report is hilarious around that bit.
>HOW DO WE STOP TORRENTS
>We could try coming up with a technological counter to block torrent connections. Might require time and funding.
I don't think a lot of /m/ related things will be in danger. Hollywood doesn't care if you pirate old movies, the video game industry doesn't care if you pirate old video games, and I would like to think the same applies for anime.
That said, it appears I will finally have to buy a crunchyroll subscription as this will most certainly spell the end for currently airing anime. What a fucking shame too, because I fucking hate crunchyroll (shit steam quality, no special typesetting, half assed rushed subs that are mediocre at best, etc).
I'd like to note that the report says
-To take out piracy you have to first provide reasonable legal alternatives
-Convenience is very important, and there's a need to consolidate stuff in a single place "like iTunes" (their example, not mine)
-Pricing needs to be reasonable
-Quality needs to be good
-First few episodes should be free so people can give things a try before actually committing
There's loads of other stuff too but BASICALLY what it boils down to is they say that they need to make a site where people can stream stuff in high quality conveniently at reasonable prices.
I don't think this is a bad thing.
The report also points out all the problems with existing legal channels (like Crunchy), including bad quality, bad selection, and bad translations, and says they have to be fixed if they want a chance against piracy, because most people resort to it out of necessity due to legal channels being shit.
Look, I wouldn't mind paying $7 a month for Crunchyroll if it was the only way to watch currently airing anime.
The problem I have with Crunchyroll though is they don't air everything (for example I don't believe they show Zankyou no Terror so I would have to either not watch it at all or pay another $7 a month or whatever to watch it on a different streaming site), and their subs are extremely low quality (the people doing the subs are 9 to 5 salary men who work on extremely strict schedules and as a result the subs are soulless and poor).
As long as fansubbing is an option, I will support it, but if worst comes to worst I would be fine paying $7-$20 a month for anime.
You know, I don't understand a lick of this, but I hope it means the end of HorribleSubs. Because they are directly ripping off Crunchyroll, a paid service here in the United States. Fansub groups work by making their own subs off their own translations, and use the TV broadcasts as their video source.
The report makes note of all of these problems and recommends that the industry get together to make a site that fixes all of these (consolidating all shows on one site, simultaneous broadcasts, reasonable prices, good translations, high quality, etc.).
If they do make this site, Crunchyroll is done for because they want to consolidate stuff on their one, own site.
1000 yen/$10 a month for 2000+ shows is what Bandai Channel does, and the report mentions that $8 for a 24 episode series is what the average American user deems as reasonable.
haha this is a joke, right?
studios don't really make much money from anime as it airs. they make money from cheap china made plastic figurines and overpriced blu ray box sets. and when it comes to the blu ray box sets, americans rarely import those, or at least they don't import them in groves to the point where it majorly affects the japanese economy.
bakabt only keeps shows that are unlicenced in the united states that havent aired in the last year or so.
also sub groups aren't going to risk getting sued up the ass by providing direct downloads.
sorry, been out of the loop for a few days, whats all this sudden purge thing? wat the fuck happened? /a/ is so fucking paranoid about this, all becasue some asshole at fakku kept selling porn shit?
That's a different thing. The Fakku people licensed hentai from some Jap magazines so Sadpanda got C&Ded and had to delete a bunch of stuff. Or something like that. As for the anime thing, just fucking read OP's post.
They put that up before any of this started. BakaBT was meant to be a highest-quality archiving community, and they wanted to stop the influx of new series TVrips when there was clearly going to be a BD in the future.
Is it just me or is nyaa not fucking letting me downlioad? PANIC NOW
It's being purged of content from one particular publisher due to Fakku securing the rights to everything they published. However they are also going after things that Fakku has the rights to, but has no intention to distribute because it's 'Too racy'.
>has the rights to
>but has no intention to distribute
and this is what Japan is going to do with anime once they manage to break anime piracy, they'll license stuff that are "export viable" only and then we're back to the 90s in terms of anime availability outside japan.
>and then we're back to the 90s in terms of anime availability outside japan
Is this not what you wanted? So many cursed the era of digital distribution, but now we're sent back into the era of trading VHS tapes with HK subs, one episode at a time.
You should be pleased, /m/. You did it. You fought progress.
No, we never cursed it, we just remembered it with nostalgia because it was a fun time, but times change and I'd rather be able to grab all the obscure shows I'd never see otherwise then go back to them dark times.
if you're talking about nyaa it's most likely a hoax but if you're talking about the japanese government playing another game of whack-a-mole with pirates then it's a very real thing.
better safe than sorry though.
I'm pretty sure the guy who keeps going "proof?" is just trolling. Sarcasm can be hard to read in text but I don't believe anyone is dense enough to believe that the comment in the Nyaa IRC is a legitimate notice of closure.
Then again, people are falling for it.
Not very happy about it but it was bound to happen.
At least there is an alternative. Torrent sites will take care of my needs either way.
Welp, now I'm stuck downloading anime torrentz at a WHOPPING 1mb/s.
Brb rewatching aquarion in one sitting after years of not watching it, and finally getting the guts to watch Eureka Seven's sequel.
On the bright side my productivity will go up 10 fold.
Yeah, ok. Makes sense. Target the Chinese. You know what? The gaming industry's been trying to do that for years on MMORPGs and has gotten nowhere against the Chinese goldfarmers. Same'll happen here. Try for years, get nowhere.
Someone give me an update on this Nyaa deal.
Should be start activate Operation M. Stockpile?
All users with complete seasons please backup all files to secure locations. This is some serious shit.
>I don't think they are stupid enough
it's a plan to stop online piracy that hinges upon doing the exact same shit as everybody else, but now they're Japanese people
unless you're a Japanese businessman you should see the flaw here
>Be Japanese Diplomat.
>Try to serve an affadavit to a 'Nyaa.'
>No sign of his/her real name.
>Site is paid for with donations and ad revenue linked to an online account.
>The law is against your interference.
>watching eureka AO
holly shit don't
I'm one of the few that loves the shit out of E7, it's not worth it man.
It's like end of eva and me 3 mixed into one steaming pile of shit.
>how do we stop torrents?
Funny thing, it's just a propagation means. Shame that this cycle youtube won, because all things considered this is just a repeat of "BUT IF THEY PLAY MUH MUSIC ON THE RADIO PEOPLE WILL LISTEN TO IT FOR FREEEEEEEEEEE."
Which turned out to be god tier advertisement for music, all things considered. Shit, maybe people should learn to market their shit better.
I've written a script to convert Nyaa torrent files into magnet links. Straightforward stuff. It'll probably take a day or two to index everything, at which point I'll post pastebin/mega links here if the thread isn't dead.
Get THORA's Bubblegum Crisis instead. Anime-Takeover did a nice job back in the day, but today, there's no excuse to get theirs.
Make sure Iczer-3 is by RiP. There's another group's old rip that sucks and looks LD-tier.
At which point somebody can put up new sites with links to these torrent links after the witch hunt has died down.
Really, the Japanese government can do all they want, but its just going to be a game of cat and mouse with sites owned by anons going up and offline
Snapshot of BakaBT magnet links as of August 3 2014.txt 1.0 MB
and a magnet link to a torrent of that text file of magnet links
do have a department full of foreigners to deal with overseas issues and sales.
No they don't hahahhaha.
In fact the English Gundam.info page is for south east asia only despite being for the "English speaking Gundam Fans"
Rather than worry about "reverse importation", larger companies should experiment with domestically releasing series using the Western style. See if the extra sales make up for the price cut.
>Torrent files can be stopped, and the sites hosting them stopped.
Not modern torrents. Even if they took down BakaBT, /m/ could still keep all those mecha archives up. As long as we have magnet links and DHT/peer sharing, decentralized torrents can stay around forever.
>larger companies should experiment with domestically releasing series using the Western style. See if the extra sales make up for the price cut.
I think some of the first wave R2 dvds were around Y3000 a pop, like DYRL and the Yamato movies. I might be wrong, though. I dug around a bit from my DYRL and all I found was a compilation disc of the Vampire Princess Miyu ovas that was Y6000.
for a little while, there, iTunes had saved the music industry. file sharing networks like Napster were making finding music almost effortless, compared to hunting down CDs, or digging through record stores.
but you know what's better than Free? Easy.
with iTunes you could get high quality downloads of almost anything you wanted, a song at a time, right to a device that would play it with no problems. no more pulling your hair out when you waited a week to download some rare album, only to discover that some faggot encoded it in OGG.
the anime industry needs to learn this. if you want to beat the pirates, give the fans what they want, WHEN THEY WANT IT. I pay for Netflix. if I had cash I would pay for Crunchyroll and Hulu. I got no problem putting out money to support the stuff i love. EXCEPT when it means buying Japanese, region coded BDs at ass rape prices, paying import fees, and only getting 2 episodes a disc. precious few shows are worth that pain. these are fucking cartoons, not the cure for cancer
the term is "droves" not "groves.
and, that formula of making money through disc sales used to be the way Hollywood and early 00's cable networks paid for their content. the market for hard copies crashed almost a decade ago. that massive market contraction that killed anime in the US? that was part of fallout from the death of physical media, across the entire entertainment industry.
now, the money comes in from cable On Demand rental fees, Redbox, Netflix and Hulu, and other revenue streams. no one survives on just disc sales, anymore. The Japanese need to get with this. If they want to make money off the US market, they are going to need to play ball with Netflix, iTunes, and Youtube.
honestly, I am surprised that they even give a shit about piracy. I thought they had their revenue streams locked down by selling moe-shit to japanese otaku? why get pissy about markets that don't even factor into their creative decisions?
>honestly, I am surprised that they even give a shit about piracy. I thought they had their revenue streams locked down by selling moe-shit to japanese otaku? why get pissy about markets that don't even factor into their creative decisions?
I wouldn't be surprised if this was completely and idea from their government trying to do some awkward sof power policy trhrough one of their most successfull cultural assets. Think about it - which country other than US is famous for mainstream animation? They're the only real competiton for US and might have realized that.
good on you, but if nobody is getting paid, then nobody is going to do the work. Anarchy is great, and all... but... those animators and creators have bills to pay and kids to put through college. it won't kill you to actually pay for things
torrents are bad for propigation because no one can track who is watching what, nor can they verify the sources, nor can they direct the viewers to a place to actually pay for something. there is no way to communicate with the audience. no way to build a brand that will leverage future sales. no way to get feedback from fans.
on Youtube the publisher puts up the song, they can see who is listening, when, how often, etc... and they have a link pointing you to the official site, iTunes, Goggle Play, Amazon...
Youtube is actually USEFUL.
I think that is very ethical. I also think that very few people would actually follow through with that. it is a lot cheaper to pay $8 a month for Netflix, or sit through ads on Youtube, than to pony up $30 for a model kit, or some ungodly amount for Figmas/statues/swag.
also, i think it would be more valuable to the content providers to be able to control how their stuff is distributed. like, on Daisuke they give away the anime for free. however, there is also a store, on site, where you can buy merch for those shows. much safer than just dumping shows into the bowels of the internet and hoping some fans find their way to you with money for merch.
Looking at Daisuke, it seems like that business plan isn't working... but I think its more to do with the stuff they were selling. I love Lupin III, but I am not buying a $80 garage kit. better put up those Figmas
you are new to the internet right OP? Japan been singing that song sinch 4chan started, and here we are today and Japan still making the same "threat" as it did almost 10 years ago. If the world is serious about this shit, pirate bay would of been killed off long ago
Daisuke should buddy up with American anime merchandise makers. They barely have anything in their store, and most of it is overpriced old prize figures and Nendroids. It seems Americans prefer printed textile goods to figures.
To Funimation's credit, they've been very, very aggressive with getting their licensed content onto a variety of streaming platforms, often times months ahead of DVD/BD release, and before a dub is even finished. Attack on Titan was on Netflix last fall, subbed, only months after finishing its Japanese airing.
It actually makes me wonder if Funi has so much clout now because they have proven to the Japanese that they can really push these shows outward. The Japanese themselves fail to do this internationally (for the most part) and then wince when a Blu-ray fails to breach a few thousands sales. Pathetic. I actually *get* the collector mentality there, and the extremely expensive boxsets. You really do get everything with those boxes, certainly more than the average viewer needs, but those prices probably could/would come down a bit if they weren't so reliant on them to make back the costs.
Fuck, why am I arguing this shit still?
I don't care about this shit just give me international Blu Ray releases(or high quality downloads), fuck I am not even in America do you realize how hard it is to get even Gunpla in here
a magnet for a torrent for a zip with a txt with magnets
>456k magnets are about 22MB.
Dunno if you're still here, but what are some other sites you can recommend for downloading old & obscure anime & manga, specifically raws since places like BakaBT & IIRC, AB doesn't carry them.