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Mechs > Gundam sized robots

Or am I the only one that thinks so? The smaller ones just seem a lot cooler to me.
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I am unsure what exactly you mean by mechs that would make Gundam-sized robots not qualify as such.

Also Gundams aren't all that big compared to for instance a lot of the series they rub shoulders with in SRW.
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>>11134952
No.
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>>11134970
I'm talking about ones where the center is a cock pit, You see through a glass rather than a camera.
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>>11135046
stuff like this
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>>11134952
This is a small mech.

>>11135055
This is powered armor.

>>11134991
Scopedogs are in the medium-small range I believe.
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How about this mech?
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>>11134952
The smaller ones normally have a more utility-minded aesthetic, I don't so much take issue with the size of mobile suit-style stuff but it's the toy aesthetics that turn me off.
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>>11134952
You might enjoy battletech, OP
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Funny, these images all look like mechs to me.

Or robots.

Isn't the word kind of interchangeable or did I miss something, OP?
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>>11134952
OP is bait.
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>>11135360
If you think so then don't bump the thread genius.
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>>11135046
>You see through a glass rather than a camera.

But that is completely unnecessary and unrealistic. Modern combat vehicles rely on cameras so why wouldn't futuristic mechs?
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Eh, I think that 6-8 metres tall is the ideal mecha size.
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While I prefer larger humanoid mechs and Gundams more, I can still enjoy the smaller mechs. Especially if they have miniguns as arms.
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>>11135405
Is that a Goliath?
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>>11135417
It should be. But it does look a bit off... There weren't too many good google images.
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>>11135421
It looks like someone tried to render the original 2D sprite in 3D. Doesn't look half bad but I'm kind of newer to non-humanoid mecha.
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>glass cockpit
Before someone complains I know it's probably transparisteel or whatever but the actual answer is "questionable design covered up in lore". I actually do prefer mechs to be ~8-15 meters but actually knowing something about physics causes "realistic" western-style gray chickenwalkers to break my suspension of disbelief way more than something like a mobile suit.
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"Gundam" like mecha 1:3 scale.

Perfect Size

/thread
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>>11135577
But then it's just a humanoid Labor
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>>11134952
gunna have to go with OP on this one
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>>11135720
Do you have a Nazzadi and a Migou one too?
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My main issue with glass cockpit is that it is CLEARLY meant to imitate fighter planes.

However, most large robots are land units, and glass cockpits are NEVER used on land war machines. Not for as long as tanks first appeared in WW1.

Avatar the film justified it by making their walkers, re-purposed civilian models. But any land war machine can never justify glass canopies. At best you have thin slits you can open up.
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>>11135046
that is not only dumb as hell but also completely unrelated to size
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>>11135857
I agree with this. A weapon of war on land has to have some tougher protection, even if being able to see the pilot is very must appealing in the west. That's part of why humanoid mechs are, well, humanoid, to still personalize the machine even with the pilot is anonymous.
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>>11134952
Votoms to Patlabor is generally my favourite scale.
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>>11135055
>>11134952
I've fine with smaller mecha, but exposed cockpits suck ass. Great we have a big ass multi-million dollar mecha that you can take out with a 9mm pistol.

Ideally I like stuff Armored Trooper size up to Wanzer sized when talking terrestrial mecha.

Any smaller and you'd probably be talking power armor (which is still cool) and any bigger and it's just more target with little benefit.
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Can someone post the comparison picture of a gundam and a modern fighter jet?

They seem large in context with regular, everyday cars and shit. But on the military scale, they aren't too ridiculous.
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>>11136107

Yes, it sure is a good thing you can't take out an AT with a pistol.
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>>11136149
I know, unless you're point blank, bound up and and got the thing's camera lined up with your big ass hand canon you couldn't hope to kill a pilot with a pistol.

When you've only got a windshield it wouldn't be nearly as hard or as impressive.
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>>11136154
Well, that gets back to the fact that there's modern stuff that's capable of stopping small arms fire. It's pretty safe to assume a combat vehicle canopy isn't just plexiglass, even without bringing in crazy sci-fi materials.

But it doesn't really matter anyway, all that matters is whether or not you like it.

I'm fine with mecha of all shapes and sizes, personally. Enclosed cockpits and cameras? Cool. Canopies? Cool.
Variety is the spice of life. Really, it's about judging each individual design, and how it looks in and of itself.
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>>11136210
Nah, exposed cockpits are always shit. I challenge you to find a combat mecha that looks good with an exposed cockpit.
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>>11136235
That's the trick about opinions. I can find plenty. But you wouldn't like them.
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>>11136235
LONELY WAY
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>>11136265
Maybe if you could find some good ones.

The best designs in the show had the least exposure.
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>>11136235
I want that. Somebody put some guns on it and we'll have a zoid.
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>>11136235
Blade Liger.
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>>11135046
glass
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>>11136324

So I heard OP like's centered cockpits. Mead specifically designed the cockpit on Turn-A to be at it's center of gravity to reduce stress on the pilot if I recall. The SUMO shares this feature too, since that was an early Turn-A design. I believe the original RX-78-2 also has a centered cockpit. As do the Orbital Frame's of Zone of the Enders and probably at least a couple of other large mechs.
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>>11136392
>As do the Orbital Frame's
Are you sure? I've always had the impression that OF cockpits are below the center of gravity. They seem to be mounted a bit lower than the Turn A's, and most OFs look like they have fairly lightweight legs.
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>>11136275
muh nigga
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Smaller ones are cute.
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what's that

not expecting "MECHSSSZZZZZ" in gundam aren't you? tooo bad OP!

im pretty sure WaD able to obliterate everything in battletchwhatcacallit very easily
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>>11136107
>implying a 9mm is any threat
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>>11136547
Wads are pathetic

But I love em
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>>filename

What?
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>>11140730
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>>11140780
It always looks so gigantic at first glance and then I notice the people working on it.

Maybe it's the tunnels that are barely taller than a man
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>>11140752
dat AT style handlebar in front of the cockpit block
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>>11140931
enjoy that ban now
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>>11140993
There are no mods on /m/.
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>>11141065

yes there are they deleted one of my unicorn threads the other day because they thought it was spam
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>>11140790

In the game itself they are a bit taller than in the cover.
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The only realistic application for mechs would be exo skeleton armor that doesn't increase height significantly. Mechs would best be used for replacement to troop combat.

Anything that needs more firepower is better off on wheels and treads, legs are far too much of an engineering nightmare to pull off well.
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>>11145409
There's nobody talking about mechs being realistic here.
Well, there's me and you now, but nobody else.
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this I mech
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this is mecha. learn the difference.
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>>11145465
brrrrrrt chest

waifu
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>>11145605
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I know what OP means.
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I like the ones that neither side wants.
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>>11145941
titanfall titans have a good style to them imo. Shame about the game itself.
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>>11145959
more partial to wanzers myself, I like the heavy look

inb4 2humanoid
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>>11145465
>>11145470
they're both mecha actually
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>>11145980
I think anything that looks american made is mech and if its japanese made its mecja
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>>11145983
it's all mecha, nigga
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>>11145605
care 2 clue in?
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>>11145983
Mecha is literally anything mechanical.
Mech is a nebulous term used to describe walking mechanical, uh, things.
'Mech is shorthand for both BattleMechs and IndustrialMechs from the BattleTech universe. I suppose ProtoMechs count too.
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no you just don't get it do you

ugly box with leg and dumb weapon is MECH
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>>11146014
it's also mecha
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Machines Krieger's cool
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>>11146083
Maschinen krieger
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>>11145994
if mecha is everything mechanical we should just post tractors on here.

call John Deere our number one mecha pilot

I stand that anything that looks american looks bulky sqaure and/or has rivets and pistons or an exposed engine or anything close to battletech and mechwarrior etc is mech

anything that is has sleek design very complicated looks, out of proportion weapons and or comes in red white and blue or complete green or anything that looks like a gundam is japanese mecha
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>>11146182
>not following up the tractor post with an agromech
0/10 apply yourself
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>>11146083
Reminds me of the suits from Animatrix.

You know.

From THAT part.
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>>11145985
this
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>>11146185
it's been a hard day's night
and i've been working like a dog
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>>11136107
>9mm
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What's the smallest mech before it's just worn instead of piloted? And what's the largest power armor before it's piloted instead of worn?
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>>11135046
>You see through a glass rather than a camera.

But that's even more retarded than the whole concept of piloted humanoid robots.
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>>11148853
>What's the smallest mech before it's just worn instead of piloted? And what's the largest power armor before it's piloted instead of worn?
2 tons.
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>>11145972
Nah, I feel ya. The blocky design is really cool. Anything that looks as heavy as it "should".
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>>11150378
I want
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>>11150020
Problem I had with FM mechs were that even though they look robust and heavy, the game fmvs and cutscenes show them moving at sanic speeds or would sometimes air drop them.
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>>11150631
>he doesn't air drop his mechs
Son I am disappoint.
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>>11150631
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5xx3EDrAHQ
eh it varies from scene to scene, the hoverskate thing is a little annoying

and most of the supersonic movement is from "experimental equipment"
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>>11150665
The only air-drop I can get behind is the shit from battletech where they drop mechs from space. Space, nigga!
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>>11148853
>What's the smallest mech before it's just worn instead of piloted? And what's the largest power armor before it's piloted instead of worn?
From my point of view the definition is tricky enough that you can have a giant robot called "exoskeleton" and a 2m exoskeleton called "mech".

If the machine can become a drone modifying its electronic a bit, it's a mech.
If it can't because human strength or sense are required somewhere important, it's a exoskeleton.

To illustrate my own definition with ridiculous example :
> An Iron-man suit that can move remotely with no one inside, is a mech.
> A Gunbuster-sized machine that -somehow- didn't had the most basic sensor and required an human to see, target and pull a mechanic trigger... would be a powered-exoskeleton.

My textbook example is that Landmate from Appleseed are mech, cause there's no way human sense or strength is required for it to operate normally.
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>>11150966
your definitions are fucked
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>>11150971
Oh really...
Then what do you suggest yourself when wikipedia can't help you ?
What is the Madox-01 pictured ? A small mech like AT from Votoms ? Or an exoskeleton like Cyberdyne HAL-5 ?

Does mimicking the operator's move in any way automatically make it a exoskeleton ? Making MS G Gundam and the Gunbuster all exos.

Does the operator's limbs need to be partially enclosed in the machine's limbs ? Ejecting Alien's power-armor and suits with added limbs from any definitions.

I might not be able to phrase it well but I can answer that with my definition.
The Madox-01 is a small-mech because it is seen capable of moving and shooting a gunship by itself and certainly have its own camera. The AMP however is an exos because it lack the sensor to replace the operator's sense. And the suit from Alien is a PA for the same reason.
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>>11135062
No, they're like 4/5 meters tall. That's definitively an S size, considering the 10 meters tall Jeeg has always been S.

>>11135217
No, Robots control themselves and Mechs are controlled by people, remote, etc.

In practice it tends to get ignored though.

>>11135857
I think my favorite work with glass cockpits was the Toei Getter Anime, surprisingly.

They started with cameras, the enemy went "let's use EM waves to stop them from seeing shit while we're beating the crap out of them" and then Saotome came up with some super glass shit to help supplement them that was radiation, heat, EM wave, water, and everything else resistant. (which they probably stole from Mazinger Z's "MY GLASS IS ALSO SUPER ALLOY Z" but whatever)

On that note, this is the best mech with a partially exposed cockpit.
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>>11151589
I've always wondered, what would happen if Syd Mead did redesigns of classic 70s robots, like Mazinger Z, Getter Robo, Jeeg, Gaiking, etc.
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>>11145409
>Anything that needs more firepower is better off on wheels and treads

Legs would be great for mountainous regions like in northern Afghanistan where there are no roads.
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>>11134952
>The smaller ones just seem a lot cooler to me.

It's because the bigger they get the more ridiculous the design gets. The gundams effectively become superheroes rather than war machines. Smaller mecha are often designed to be more practical looking and you can actually picture it in the battlefield.
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>>11135046
>>I'm talking about ones where the center is a cock pit..
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>>11151710
I can't really imagine something venturing all that far from the original designs, most likely bulkier and just a tad more stylized. Like, imagine some sort of Mazinger/SUMO hybrid. Jeeg would probably be the most interesting of the bunch, I think.
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>>11135161
God that Killzone mechs were horrible. At least the gameplay was fine.
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>>11155295
Jeeg by Mead would be pretty cool, but I wonder how he'd do Getter if he wanted to keep the concept three planes combining into three forms that are meant to excel in three different roles.

Or see him tackle Ginguiser.
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>>11155319
>Meadguizer
And I thought Obariguizer would be crazy enough...
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>>11142957

Make way!

Valken official stats coming through!
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>>11155598
>19m

It's pretty much a Gundam according to these, though all the art places them around four meters tops.
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>>11146170
Even toasters are mecha, newfag.
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>>11155816
19.6 feet. 5.95 meters.

Valken stats provide dual measurements, for whatever reason.
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>>11155264
the NWR-003 Mobile Warfare/Suppression Engine "Thomas" was a smaller more economical model than its predecessors, more used to the tunnel fighting and urban combat that would mark the 30th century and the rise of the NEO-IRA. Intended for suppression and pacification of an unruly urban populous the "Thomas" was given a fairly humanoid appearance and a humanoid face in front of its core cockpit block. The intent was to bring a "human and humane face" to the battlefield, most however found it disconcerting.

Armed with a sonic destablizer, steam cannon (which could be switched out for a similar scaled plasma thrower), two front mounted spotlights which could double as high intensity laser weapons, next generation ERA armor, and a holding facility in the "mouth" of its chest cavity. (The reasoning behind this is that insurgents would be less likely to shoot at the mobile suppression engine if their compatriots were imprisoned in the body of the machine. This however only resulted in increased mobility kills, and assaults on the engine's admittedly vulnerable rear. A back mounted spot laser weapon and holding cages were installed on the engine's legs and back to somewhat alleviate these battlefield issues)

overall a very useful engine
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>>11155598

Thanks dudes.
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>>11159060
That's no Valken, boy!
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>>11159775

That explains it now, thanks.
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>>11134952
Not everything has to be a vs thread you know
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>>11153725
>Legs would be great for mountainous regions
Rotors are better.
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>>11162437
And this is where Zanscare got ahead of the game.
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>>11153741
Funny because the Wing MSs were 15 meters, smaller than the RX-78-2.
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>>11162437
However when everybody and their goat is packing Strelas and RPGs why send in a chopper?
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>>11155838
It's clearly an in-between model of the Leynos and Valken.
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>>11163118
Does anyone have the Valken artbook in its entirety?

And what the Exzas? Anyone played Valken 2?

Anyway, I can't seem to properly translate the German name of this boss from the SNES game.
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>>11162437
Aircraft can't hold the terrain.
Plus, rotor are quite fragile against light arms
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>>11162437
Rotors drink fuel like water and can't idle to conserve fuel. They also have very sharp weight limits.
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>>11163135

I seriously doubt anyone has that.
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>>11135046
>implying 'mechs' has such a specific meaning
>"cock pit"

Summertime.
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>>11135062
Well I guess I like stuff just on the border line between the two.
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>>11164474

Posting what I have anyway.
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>>11162579
>RPGs

For this. These small mechs would all be taken down but a RPG.
It's really hard to hit a chopper with one.
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>>11164509
by a RPG*
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http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2013/06/04-1/video-174-mecha-sorted-by-height
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>>11134952
Kinda... too normal for me.
I would prefer humanoid robots like Votoms Knightmare frames and Earth Engine Ordinary than this one.
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>>11134952

i liked 70s 80s gundam and really most 80s mech properties. the newer stuff i'm not too into but generally i like the real robot stuff slightly more than the super
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Anyone played Valken 2 yet?
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I want this toy
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>>11150631
Anon, you can airdrop Wanzers out of a C-5 Galaxy or some great and godawful soviet thing.
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