Was this actually any good or is everyone wearing nostalgia goggles? I remember liking it when I was a little shit but I don't remember the actual show.
>Didn't watch genesis.
I wanted to like Genesis based on the beautiful animation style. ...and then I saw the episodes. The story was okay, a little boring and plodding, but man the animation sucked. They did not have the proper amount of money to work on a show with this style.
I rewatched them.
CC/GF holds up pretty well.
NCZ not so much.
She was an enabler.
I've only seen Genesis, and as for that ending... It was what, 50 episodes? I want to know what asshole cut the other two, the end sections of the show were rushed as shit and that made the ending and final battle worse. But hey, it had the fucking MUTEKI-DAN and
that big twist at the end actually caught me, and fuck Jin for itso it's not all bad.
Hey, at least it did the original pretty well, even if the NCZ thing was just dumb.
Well, besides pedo Thomas but SRW in general does weird things to time skips if there's only one game.
>tfw I was the only kid at school who liked Chaotic Century/Guardian Force while everyone liked Zero more because it was on Toonami
I remember when I was younger New Century Zero got pushed really hard, and CC/GF were originally only on in the morning. Even then, I could tell CC/GF was way better and NCZ felt really juvenile and formulaic. And I appreciated that, despite the requisite plot armor, Van's Blade/Shield Liger felt much more like a regular, common grunt mecha and not a super legendary special one, at least on the surface. Especially compared to Bit's Liger Zero, which was really clearly a protagonist's mecha.
NCZ was effectively a shortened, light-hearted version of G Gundam. From the perspective of a child; these people didn't have pokeballs, or spinning tops, or trading cards, they had FUCKING ANIMAL ROBOTS. And it was fucking awesome for it. You don't need a good plot when you're such a chill series. All you care about when you're young and watching NC0 is:
a. Which armor is Zero going to use?
b. When does the bass for that god-tier transformation music drop?
c. Where's Naomi?
It's actually a GOOD thing it was the the first be dubbed, even though it was the sequel. Not only did it have the better dub, it set up the right atmosphere for a lead-in to CC/GF. Fun as fuck.
CC/GF had the inferior CGI, but naturally had an actual plot.
Genesis had so much potential, but doesn't stack up to even NC0. The mech designs aren't horrible, but they pushed it over the edge with Bio-Zoids and the Murasame's "evolutions".
CC and GF didn't have that magical transformation shit, outside of organoid evolution; they were so much more believable.
>Not only did it have the better dub
The NC0 dub is great. CC is too edited for my tastes. Fiona comes off as really standoffish in the first episode of the dub, where in the original she was just curious and confused. The cast was alright, but the direction was lacking, and whole marketing of THIS IS A BOY'S TOY SHOW RADICAL 90's DUDE really only worked for NC0 where it pretty much was just a radical toy show.
>CC/GF subs never
>BD rips for anyhthing never
>great mechs and effects (love the cuts to piston effects on panzer)
>mc is best bro's with his mech, doesn't treat as a tool, also is not a pussy whipped faggot
>takes parts in his stealth truck during combat, and not really afraid of anything
>baller ass liger zero upgrade forms
>Leanas DAKKA DAKKA DAKKA gunsniper
>Brad swag + Shadow Fox
>good dub, Zechs gonna go fast, Quatre still a bitch
you fucken tell me
only downside is theres CGI, but its pretty bearable
At the time, the CGI for NC0 SHAT on the majority of what was available, especially the cel-shading. Aside from the resolution, it's CG is superior to even Genesis. It wasn't for a few years that moderately budgeted shows often caught up.
Remember you're talking about a show that was aired in 2001.
It's also the shortest of the shows, so it might just be normal that it looks better than the others if it had a similar budget.
Dafuq happened with Fuzors, though, I have no idea.
Wow, look at the tone and demeanor. Trying too much "cool kid?"
Above all else, it was an Ocean Studios dub, so, we were listening to the cast of Beast Wars, X-Men Evolution and Gundam Wing, man.
Canada gets a free pass on the dub v sub debate sometimes.
My problem with CC/GF is that the plot was kinda dull until Hiltz showed up at the end of GF.
NC/0 didn't have a lot of plot at least it was a fun ride throughout the entire series.
The last episode was clearly rushed. Within ten minutes, half the cast loses Zoids and cores and Felme dies before Ra Kan came back (which was foreshadowed but handled poorly), Garaga turned out to have two Zoid cores (foreshadowed once, in his first appearance 45 or so episodes ago), and Murasame Liger turns out to not need its Zoid Core (which is bullshit). Cue ending with Murasame going into the Generator and becoming its power source THE END.
Did I mention that all those Core tear-outs happened entirely within about two minutes of Cores first being mentioned in Genesis?
Basically they took five or so episodes and condensed them into 2 and the show fell apart trying to fit everything in.
>Murasame Liger turns out to not need its Zoid Core (which is bullshit).
Actually I thought that was one part that kinda made sense. A mech with the ability to rebuild itself on the fly into a different model should be able of using that for self-repair.
Now the core itself, that might have been too much.
It got stabbed and then he went "I need to move" and like a minute later it was moving again. That's the problem.
If the fight had played out longer, and he had been incapacitated first, and then everything spiraled down until it was just a severely outmatched Bio Volcano fighting the Bio Tyranno (before Ra Kan and Garaga returned to the fight), it would have worked better. Even more if there had actually been some sort of unified offensive involving Gin/Souta, Felme, and Zairin against Gene beforehand (and make Felme not get shot down like a fucking chump, she may not have deserved much but she deserved better for her piloting ability)
I never really felt that Bio Volcano was that out matched, Zairin seems to be doing better than everyone else combined when Ruuji just sort of comes back and kill steals the Bio Tyranno.
Its Bio Particle Cannon was less effective than God's Thunder (though it was strong enough to cancel it out, Tyranno would have recovered quicker) and while its claws were strong, Volcano had two hands and Tyranno had four. Tyranno also had size on Volcano, and neither was particularly fast IIRC. Zairin may have been a better pilot, but Gene was no slouch.
He would have been killed much quicker if Garaga hadn't returned and Ra Kan hadn't done a quick shaving of the top arms. He held his own, but he wasn't winning that fight.
I don't know if you can really on count God's Thunder in a duel. Who the hell would fire a nuke at close range like that? The Bio armor is tough as fuck but nothing could stand that. Dude was crazy, not stupid.
Ocean Group was on a roll in the late 90s to early 2000s, which includes Zoids.
NC0 was Ocean Studios
CC/GF was Blue Water
Irvine is Simon
Fiona is Rain
Van is Shinn
Naomi is Noir
The NC0 dub is Seed/Wing quality. The CC/GF is slightly worse than G Gundam.
The Genesis setting was, for all intents and purposes, Turn A Zoids. Complete with survivors of the previous civilization living in the sky and an main, old mech that's full of OP special tech (though the Evolt System is less solar-system tier WMD and more of the final evolution of weapon pack technology).
The story itself went in a completely different direction, though.
because Im already posting in the /tg/ thread here is the last model I bought. the models really are awesome.
mirage fox was like a upgraded shadow fox.