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>>11064146

Untranslated Go Nagai manga, and Nagai general
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>>11086368
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Since there's an official list of Nagai manga
http://mazin-go.com/works/maga/
it's pretty easy to see which works were by Ishikawa and which were by Nagai.

For example, ?????????? is credited to Go Nagai on its cover, but Dynamic Pro doesn't list it as a Nagai work and it's pretty easy to tell that it by Ishikawa due to the art. Same thing with Getter Robo Saga.

Works that were actual collaborations between Ken Ishikawa and Go Nagai are listed as such on Nagai's manga bibliography as ???:??
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is Devilman Grimoire translated yet?
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Ken Ishikawa's Cutey Honey
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>>11086530
That's not Go Nagai.
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>>11086534
I wanted to share it anyway. His name is on it and Devilman Grimoire was posted too.

Is this the same girl from Enma-kun? She was pretty pedo.
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>>11086534
Its a Go Nagai general, what the fuck does it matter
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>>11086544
yup, the kids in enma too
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>>11086551
I bet it's a glorious manga then.
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>>11086368
If I ever fell in love with a manga magazine, then it has to be CHAMPION RED. Every single work they published has suited my tastes.

Shonen Sunday comes second, though.
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>>11086530
Do raws of that exist?
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>>11086605
champion red is the best for current nagai
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>The story was never concluded because Ishikawa left Dynamic Pro for some time. Ishikawa worked as assistant on Harenchi Gakuen and Abashiri Ikka. Two mangas, Gakuen Taikutsu Otoko and Gakuen Bangaichi, finished on the same date (1970-09-22) when Ishikawa left Dynamic Pro.

Ishikawa pls

Pic is from Kishin apparently.
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>>11086616
Dunno. You can read about it here since there are some english posts:
http://gettermario.dynamicforum.net/t593-manga-cutie-honey-par-okazaki
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>>11086516

Nah. As always, just the chapters 0 and 1.
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Mazinsaga
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I wonder how much of Go Nagai's bibliography is actually him. It seems that Ken Ishikawa did a lot of uncredited work and that's not even getting into Ota's contributions.
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>>11086821
thats psycho jenny right?
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>>11086859
Yes.
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>>11086891
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>>11086924
Really great page here
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>>11086588
What happened to Kouji's face!?
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>>11087101
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>>11087101
>>11087108
If this is his current style, id say it has improved much after something like devilman lady
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>>11087112
I liked the art in Devilman Lady. Very nicely detailed, muscled girls, and nice monster designs.
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>>11087088
That's not Kouji. Just his hairstyle.
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>>11087235
When Nagai tells the story of Cutey Honey would have have Honey's hair?
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Abashiri Ikka
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>>11087407
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>>11087426
Mini Not Akira sure is cool.
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>>11087434
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>>11087479
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>>11087500
Giantess
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>>11087554
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>>11087563
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devilman g needs translatin
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>>11087567
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>>11086662

it had to be a very short holiday since he helped picturing Getter Robot, Ufo Robot Grendizer, Violence Jack, and other stuff from early '70...
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>>11090394
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>>11090441
It was three years, before Getter Robo was made, according to this page
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>>11085324
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does this guy ever get a name?
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>>11091412
http://devilman.wikia.com/wiki/Doelamale

>inb4 wiki
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>>11091429
what?
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>Teachers against students
>School where teachers rule over the students
>Fucked up tournaments
>Delinquents

Fuck
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>>11092135
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>>11092486
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So someone on Tumblr apparently scanned the Ken Ishikawa version of Cutey Honey. The bad news is that the link is fucking dead. I sent them a question asking if they'd reupload it, though.

http://kawaruwayo.tumblr.com/tagged/Ken-Ishikawa

They also did another Cutey Honey manga: http://kawaruwayo.tumblr.com/post/84895830654/kawaruwayo-to-commerate-honeys-40th
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>>11087142
I was mainly referering to his human art, try and say one good thing about it.
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>>11092522
they replied, but only link to the ozaki one
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http://devilman.wikia.com/wiki/Atai

the wiki finally added pictures to this girl, someone seriously needs to do some fan art for her.
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>>11092568
>say one good thing about it.
What about it? I like the art direction.
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>>11092568
It gives me boners
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>>11092641
Mazinsaga?
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>>11092660
Yeah. I hope he comes back to it...
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>>11092670
i got some
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>>11092724
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>>11092738
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>>11092724
>If I want hard enough maybe a translation will appear

WANT TIERS:

I WILL HAVE YOUR BABIES-TIER
- God Mazinger
- Mazinsaga
- Harenchi Gakuen
- Salacia
- Kishin

FUCK ME IN THE ASS TIER
- Akuma Kishi
- Maou Dante 2002
- Z Mazinger

I WILL SUCK YOUR DICK-TIER
- Cutey Honey '90
- Cutey Honey '21
- Garla
- Great Mazinger

I will kiss your feet-tier
- Abashiri Ikka
- Kikoushi Enma
- Mayonaka no Senshi

I will touch myself-tier
- Lovely Angel
- Seishun Ichiban
- Rambo Sensei
- Kekkou Kamen
- Iyahaya Nantomo
- Gekiman!
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>>11092796
I would add devilman grimoire, iorn muscle and zuba the barbarian to the have ya babies tier
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This wouldn't be that ape-like demon from Devilman Lady, would it?
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>>11092901
you mean Lagudura? Nope, but now that you mention it it does have a slight resembleance.
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can some one translate these?
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>>11092929
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I'm still waiting for someone to translate Go's Great Mazinger
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>>11092796
I am a translator. If this thread is still up tomorrow, I will have a look at that list. I might require the services of an enthusiastic typesetter, though.
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>>11093083
If you're not joking my ass is gaping open.
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>>11093083
dude if you give me some shit ill happily do what i can
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>Demon takes kill childhood friend and take his body as a meat suit
>So cute <3 <3 (Proceed to suck his demonic cock)
Devilman G's Miki confirmed as worst Miki. Her moe antics don't help
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>>11093168
G miki is great, stop complaining about Devilman G everytime it gets vaguely mentioned.
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>>11093168
the fuck you even talkin bout bitch? Akira never dies, do you even know a fukin thing bout devilman?
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>>11093083
If you don't mind, please have a look at Gekiman, and see if it interests you.

Basically, Nagai's autobiography in manga.
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>>11093168
somebody hasent seen the live action have they little spic ;)
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>>11093219
Akira dies on the Toei anime and Devilman G.
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>>11093222
isnt the first chapter translated into english on one of the italian sites?
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>>11093224
he dies in the anime f'sure, not in G ya dumbass
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>>11093231
>>11093219
>>11093223
Dont bother, its likely the same jackass who allways shit on the Shin Mazinger threads
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>>11093230
The first chapter is indeed translated.
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>>11093244
thought so, btw thats God Mazingwe right?
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>>11093253
Yep.
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>>11093230
Bite Me Scanlations collaborated with Dynamic Pro Scanlations to release it.

However, due to a fallout, they stopped collaborating and Dynamic Pro Scanlations released the chapter on their own.

Then Bite Me said they were going to continue it by themselves. Then, much later, someone asked them, and they said they dropped it because it was "boring".
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>>11093477
Fuck Bite Me
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>>11093477
assholes.....
wait Isnt Happy scans doing Violence Jack?
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>>11093477
>Boring

History is so boring, rite
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>>11093477
>>11093244
>God Mazinger Manga in English

Got a link?

My google-fu is failing me.
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>>11093648
We're talking about Gekiman, m8.
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>>11093661
Well fuck me.

Is any part of the God Mazinger Manga translated anywhere?
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>>11093692
Nope. The first 2 episodes of the anime are translated though!

I know how you feel, man. I, too, crave dinosaurs and mechs.
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>>11093231
Being a small part of Amon's subconcious is pretty much dying
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>>11093739
At least you aren't waiting for Jushin Lyger subs. No one wants to do them.
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>>11093739
>The first 2 episodes of the anime are translated though!

Thanks. I'll have to check those out.
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>>11093477
You forgot the part where Project Bite Me was making up parts of the translation and claiming they were personally scanning the series when in fact they were just downloading available raws from Share.
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>>11093799
At least you got the sub-par manga.
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>>11093834
>making up parts
Source?
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>>11093866
Moe
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>>11093909
>>11093909
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>>11094194
Another great page
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>>11093223
Live action Miki was Amon-tier. You know, saint Miki martyr of love, symbol of peace, the light personified, etc. Just bland
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>>11094214
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>>11094238
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>>11094257
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>>11094266
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>>11094280
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>>11094291
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>>11094300
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>>11094345
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Violence Jack appears in some American talk show.
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>>11093617

Yeah, they're now. But they're always running out of staff.
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>>11095973
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>>11096130
I doubt there's a genre he hasn't touched now that i look at this.
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>>11096303
nagai has never done catgirls
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>>11096416
Catgirls are a genre now, huh
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>>11094785
Is this real? Holy shit gg, Comedy Central.
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>>11096519
>Comedy Central
HBO
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Devilman Grimoire looks so cut, i love all the call backs and Miki is adorable, i hope this gets done soon.
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>click on /m/ for the first time in many months
>wow only 3 toku threads and a digimon thread on front page.

That's better but still not great. I'll check back in another 6 months.
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>>11096586
Protip: don't pick at a scab if you want it to heal
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>>11096616
heh
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i love this page
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>>11097749
Why does Nagai always make Susumu die at the hands of his parents
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>>11097749
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Considering I finished Shin Mazinger yesterday this is fucking hilarious.
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>>11097913
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>>11097927
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>>11097955
Holy sheet is that the gundam shield
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>>11097955
So I asked that person on Tumblr again about the Ken Ishikawa version of Cutey Honey linking them to their post of it, but they didn't reply. Anyone else want to give it a shot?
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>>11097978
I'm pretty sure Ken Ishikawa's Cutey Honey is published in his manga collection Ishikawa's Book (????) which has links floating around that I'm too lazy to find right now.
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>>11098026
Specifically, the title is ?????????????????????.
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>>11098031
>?????????????????????.

I found a dead torrent with a dead mediafire link.
http://www.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=313374
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>>11098031
aw fuck it, I uploaded it
http://www.mediafire.com/download/vr7t9nyp6qhrria/Ishikawa_Ken_no_Hon_Shoki_Gag_Kessakushu_Boin_Payer.rar
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>>11098040
Thanks mate.

I wonder if translator-san will drop by today.

Here's Nagai referencing a hilarious shounen-ai manga
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>>11098040
>>11098103
Looking at it now and it's great to see Ishikawa is a pervert too.
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>>11098193
well, he worked at Dynamic Pro...
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>>11098207
Well Getter hardly had any perverted moments.
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Kouji being a rapist as usual
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It's a shame he didn't continue with this story, I really liked it. Would have been a cool anime.
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>>11098998
Context?
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>>11099010
iirc, she was sitting on a wooden horse and her cunt is sore. I can't read Japanese so I can only assume from the images.
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obama the devil
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>>11092796

Me again (>>11093083). Can't seem to find raws for Salacia and Kinshin. Found some Mazinsaga raws. I'll read it tonight and see if I like it.
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>>11099874
As in the guy who wrote the list or guy who offerd to translate?

Either way, if your looking i think Kinshin was in the Nagai manga bacth on randomraws, i know all of mazinsaga is.
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>>11099038
Now that's a gallon's worth of devil.
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still about half of neo devilman left to translate
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>>11101005
Well then you'd better get on that shit slowpoke
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>>11099874
I don't think Salacia has been scanned, sadly. I don't see Kishin in the manga batches either.

God Mazinger, Z Mazinger, Garla, Harenchi Gakuen, Maou Dante 2002, Great Mazinger (Nagai version), and most of the others have RAWs
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>>11101400
Also, Mazinsaga doesn't have an ending. Same with Garla and Mayonaka no Shinshi (I think).
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>>11101184
like wha?
Nah fuck you
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I wish Nagai kept Gamia Q3 alive.
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>>11102254
if it makes you feel any better she was never actually alive
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>>11102279
He wouldn't even let us have the other twins
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Best mom.
Just as lewd as she was in the OVA.
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>>11103618
A collection of mom:
http://imgur.com/a/NjgQc
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>>11101400
Ok, thought I was going blind when I didn't see Salacia and Kishin in the batch. Got the Mazinsaga volumes. Will start reading soon.
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>>11104665
yey
Have some not nagai
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i call tentacle rape
http://devilman.wikia.com/wiki/Jurad_(Grimoire)
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>>11104665
Neat
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love to see this film get properly done
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>>11105426
Which film is that?
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>>11105457
Dai Shogun
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>>11102284
Poor Mazinger Army
Have yet to lived through one series
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Are there non-shit rips of Mazinkaiser?
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>>11105520
If you find one please tell me
Also looking for the dub
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>Love Black Mazinger Z
>Yet every media shows the Toei anime
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>>11105527
Blue limbs > black limbs, fight me.
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>>11105540
>You=shit
1v1 faget
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I wonder why Imagawa decided to give Pygman Jim Mazinger's design.
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>tfw Ashura never got to do anything
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>>11105584
there is a lot of violence jack in it, some devilman, some cutey honey but a lot of VJ
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>>11105654
Yeah, I noticed.

What happened to Pygman in the original manga? He showed up once and never appeared again, AFAIK.
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>>11105661
The manga at one point was just doing adaptaions of tv episodes, THEN made it's own ending.

So you could say that chapter wasn't relevant.
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>>11096586
>Huuuurr, towkew isent /m/

Fuck off.
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>>11105661
>>11105696
He basically ran off from Koji like a little pussy and that was that
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>>11105696
So we can just say the original Mazinger is a mess.
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Was Sirene-chan ever translated?
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>>11105696
>>11105724
There are two Mazinger manga series by Go Nagai. The original from Shounen Sunday and the one in Terebi Magazine. The original Mazinger chapters haven't been fully collected until a year or two ago. The version that was scanlated as some original Mazinger chapters but then suddenly switches to the Terebi Magazine chapters. Which is why there are some abrupt changes and dropped plot points.
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>>11105727
No
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>>11105739

Isn't it like 4 pages so far? Someone should get on that.
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>>11105741
Yeah, you should.
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>>11105741
That was the quickest reply ever, anon.
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>>11105738
>That no scan feel
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>>11105738
Where can I get the original?
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>>11105804
Japanese stores.
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>>11105744
You again?
Okay let me put it to you, if someone is requesting something to be translated.
its unlikely they know japanese.
understand now?
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>>11105738
Shounen Sunday's Mazinger has an ending?
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>All the Mechanical Beasts in the Mazinger Bible
>Its all sketches
Goddamit Japan what is with you and B&W
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>>11105964
is that this thing?
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>>11106041
Other version of it yeah
Mine go through all three series
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>>11105939
The beginning of Great Mazinger?
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>>11106073
Oh yeah I forgot about the two Warrior Beasts
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>The Getter Subs Mazinger manga I've been reading wasn't the original all these years
EVERYTHING I KNOW IS A LIE
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>>11106073
That's on the TV continuity. Dr Hell didn't kill Kouji's grampa on Nagai's manga
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>>11106099
wait so thats anime Mazinger?
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>>11106099
So what happens in the original?
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>>11106145
A laboratory accident while Juuzo was turning off Mazinger. Arguably, Mazinger killed Juuzo
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>>11106113
The Nagai manga is the only version where Juuzo isn't killed by Dr Hell. Like Toei Mazinger became a huge hit and a cultural icon on Japan, Juuzo being killed by Dr Hell has turned into the default backstory
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>>11106088
It has all of the original chapters that were available up until that point.
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>>11106200
>Arguably, Mazinger killed Juuzo
I don't why but I like and prefer this ironic backstory more.
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>>11106266
>Arguably, Mazinger killed Juuzo
What? You can't say that at all. There was an earthquake which caused a cave-in and that killed Juzo.
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>Everything Getter is translated
>Mazinger barely has 1/10 english content
I don't even dislike Getter but why
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>>11106282
Only one series of Getter is translated and one anthology. One series of Mazinger is translated and a few short stories like Mazinkaiser/Relic of Terror. And what does Getter have to do with Mazinger in the first place.
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>>11106296
Mazinger and Getter are like distinct cousins. When you see one you usually see the other. So its common they both have the same fanbase.
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>>11106282
Because Mazinger is shit
When will this get through your head spic
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>>11107396
Did it finally get scans?
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>>11107398
nope
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>>11107396
Are they enemies again or they put their shit together?
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>>11106371
>spic this, spic that
Am I missing something here?
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>>11107508
Its the latest Buzzword for /m/
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>>11107416
They're together since it's a prequel.
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>>11107416
Well its Amon and Satan instead of Akira, and they dont exactly get along in the story anyway
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>>11106282
But Getter Robo Darkness and Dino Getter ain't translated.
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Nagai's doing a new Grendizer managa
http://www.ebookjapan.jp/ebj/author.asp?authorid=259&inc_page_no=8
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>>11108618
A Sequel to ShinVsAnkoku?
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>>11108618

>>????????????(?2)???????????????????????????????????SF????????????????????????????????????????????????????

>>???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
After talking with Mœbius, Nagai felt it was time for a new Grendizer manga, so "Grendizer Giga" should appear by other authors on Champion RED.
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>>11108629
nope its new
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>>11108645
But Moebius is ded.
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>>11108618
>Nagai's doing a new Grendizer managa
>Nagai's doing
Wrong. It's just a new adaptation by someone else.
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>>11109502
Who is doing it?
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>>11109559
Nakamura
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I wish the new Grendizer manga retake Mazinsaga's concept of Duke Fleed being an angelic being with healing hug powers
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>>11108358
It's like Amon, the battle between god and devils before humans exist?

>>11108607
I hope Satan don't cheat on Akira. If it's a prequel, Akira hasn't born yet but he's supposed to be Satan's first and only love. Deflowering Miki on Violence Jack doesn't count
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>>11109932
What?
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>>11109942
VJ isnt even cannon
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>>11110326
Neither Devil Kishi
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did this guy appear in an episode of great mazinger i thinki saw him in some mazinger stuff but im unsure.
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>>11110349
Im unsure about this, do you know if its true?
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>>11108607
>>11109942
I doubt Satan cared that much about Amon, considering he used Amon as a power-up for Akira, what pretty much mean to kill him. Being part of Akira's subconcious isn't that far from being dead
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>>11110438
I think Satan's desires was fused with Ryou Asuka's up until he realized the truth. So he the feelings he felt for Amon/Akira blurred together.
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>>11109943
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>>11110363
What?

>>11109943
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>>11110504
Sayaka got NTR'd
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>>11110542
Dammit anon why did you have to remind me of ZERO
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>>11110456
Fuck you! Don't mess with muh OTP
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>>11110503
This looks gayer than Free!

>>11110504
Nagai's Kouji is the moest
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>>11110456
actually that kinda makes sense
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>>11110569
it will never happen
EVER
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You can tell Nagai had something grand planned for Mazinsaga so it's too bad it'll probably never be finished. ;_;
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>>11110689
It wasnt finished?
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>>11110749
Nope. Stopped on the 6 volume after introducing the Gamia sisters and mecha Psycho Jenny.

Japanese wiki probably has something on why it's unfinished: http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%83%9E%E3%82%B8%E3%83%B3%E3%83%BB%E3%82%B5%E3%83%BC%E3%82%AC
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>>11110763
All the Jp wiki says is that it switched over to a monthly serial then went on hiatus.

Later in the article it mentions in that the 2012 printing of Mazinsaga there is an end of the book article that talks about some of the developments that could have happened but implies that it'll never be completed. Something like to that extent.
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>>11110905
Oh, actually to add to that, it seems that Z Mazinger is the reason he put Mazinsaga on hold (either the first time or second time, I don't know which) because they were planning on Z Mazinger being a full blown remake, anime included, but plans for that fell through.

Go Nagai was probably all Mazinger'd out after doing both Mazinsaga and Z Mazinger only to have to leave both incomplete.
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>>11110924
>it seems that Z Mazinger is the reason he put Mazinsaga on hold (either the first time or second time, I don't know which) because they were planning on Z Mazinger being a full blown remake, anime included, but plans for that fell through
WHY? If the producers were worried about shit sales, they just had to ignore the manga like the Devilman Lady did. It'd be so perfect, so much poetry

70s Mazinger Z
80s God Mazinger
90s Z Mazinger

I think kids started to lose interest on mecha during the late 90s. Seed was a huge hit but the audience cared more about the romance drama and husbando/waifu faggotry than the mecha action. Mecha became progresively more and more otaku and less mainstream
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>>11110924

Z Mazinger is shit, though. And probably the worst of the Mazinger incarnations.
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>>11110905
Godammit Nagai.

>>11110924
Z Mazinger is also unfinished?
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>>11110968
>Z Mazinger is also unfinished?
Yes. It just ends
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>>11111053
;_;
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>>11110968
>Z Mazinger is also unfinished?
Yeah, it ended when plans for the anime fell through.

Kouji and Sayaka beat back the Mycenaean armies as Hades is informed that an enemy is threatening their homeworld and that the army is to return immediately. Kouji and Sayaka celebrate as the hordes of the Mycenaen retreat and the series ends with "Z Mazinger: Part One END"

>>11110959
Why is it that you have to denounce how much you hate something everytime it's brought up? Here
http://pbskids.org/arthur/games/factsopinions/
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>>11111267
Sounds like a classic Nagai ending.
I wonder if Kishin has an ending?
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>>11111267
It's the Dago/Spic.

Ignore him.
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>>11111267
>yfw it was Grendizer attacking their homeworld
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>>11111267
Any details on why it fell through?
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>>11111311
Well, the only thing the jp wiki says about it is
>??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????[1]????????????
However, the conclusion that the author had in store for the battle with Olympus was never seen as the series ends at Part 1. While there were also plans to create an animation pilot film, these plans were also halted.
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found these on Ebay
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Here's a rumor about Z Mazinger

?a??????????????

?a???????1998?8???2000?10?????????
???a????????????????????TV??????????????????1999?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
?????????????????CG??????????????
????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

(2002.4.28????)?TOEI ANIMATION ???????????????????1999.11??6?59?????????????????????
http://www7a.biglobe.ne.jp/~zgd/Hearsay/hearsay-1.htm
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>>11111559
I am quite confused as to why 4chan converted all of the Z letters to a but whatever.
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I would love an anime of Great-hen, but if I was Go Nagai, I would never risk it.

Given the number of animated episodes/live action series Dynamic Pro releases every year, I assume the company doesn't make a lot of money from the sponsors or the toys. I bet Shin Mazinger was a huge project for them considering it was 26 episodes long.

Every year since 1998, Dynamic Pro would release at least some decent quality anime or live action stuff.

But for the first time since 2011, we've sort of experienced a drought.

2012 had a low budget Kekko Kamen movie.

2013 had Mazinger ZIP, a low budget flash comedy anime.

2014 saw the release of Robot Girls Z. This was only 3 episodes long, and I'm pretty sure it was all Toei's doing.

Instead of Great-hen, Go Nagai is better off concentrating on the Mazinger live action movie. It will provide a closure to the whole saga which can finally be put to rest.

Second, he should totally do an animated Devilman series as well. 12 episodes should be enough, to at least wash the bad taste of the 2004 movie off. Again, this will be Devilman's closure.

And finally, he needs to do a new Grendizer anime. It doesn't have to be big budgeted. It can just be a 40 minutes OVA with Duke Fleed taking a shit on his home planet. This will really provide closure to fans around the world. (Like Wasim and the likes. He went nuts now because Nagai wouldn't provide him this satisfaction)

And of course, Gekiman! IS the most definitive manga of his career. Go Nagai probably realizes that he doesn't have much time left, and has decided to record his life on paper.

Once he does all these, he'll be free to hang his boots whenever.

When he finally draws his last breath, he'll have people rebooting his works like RE:Cyborg 009 a decade later.
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There are essentially two threads that will explode on /m/ once they happen.

1. Uncle Go dies for real.
2. Tomino dies for real.

And when those two actually happen, I bet your ass that you'll still be here (With your kids).
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>>11111267
>Kouji and Sayaka beat back the Mycenaean armies
So far, Z Mazinger is the only Mazinger entry with an useful Aphrodite A. This reason alone is enough for deserving a translation
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>>11111921
I don't want a shitty live-action film as a closure. The adventure must live on!

Also, I have no desire for a second season of Shin Mazinger. The ending of the original would lose the impact it had.
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I love these.
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>>11112147
Personal favorite
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>>11112158
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>>11112169
Or maybe this one is my favorite.
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>>11112086
>The ending of the original would lose the impact it had.

It was supposed to have a sequel. Imagawa said so.
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>>11112180
Post Grendizer's
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>>11111284

Dago? That's new.
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>>11112202
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>>11112311
It's funny because it's true
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>>11111955
>useful Aphrodite A
What do writers have against Sayaka-chan
Why must they always put her the DiD everytime a Mecha Beast shows up
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>>11111837
>White Pilder
>Black face Mazinger
What?
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>>11112086
>The ending of the original would lose the impact it had.
Oh fuck you faggots
The worst opinion I've seen about Shin Mazinger
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>>11112593
The original pilder is white. Look at Mazinkaiser's first episode.
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>>11112584
>What do writers have against Sayaka-chan
Sayaka is a woman and women can't do shit by themselves, female modeled mechas aren't the exception. Later it's just tradition. Ironic that the original creator who happen to be a well-known misoginistic realized times changed, even more ironic that he did it during his most misoginistic phase (late 90s, early 2000s).
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>>11112616
>Go Nagai
>Misogynistic
0/10
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>>11112616
>Later it's just tradition
Out all the traditions Shin & ZERO broke this was the only one they didn't touch
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>>11112638
I love uncle Go but his works aren't precisely female-friendly, except for Devilman and Grendizer for their influence on BL and Nagai's biggest contribution to Grendizer was to add Kouji as a regular character while the rest was made for Toei
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>>11112644
It makes sense on Zero, considering it's made by the rape Namek guys. Uncle Go is a hardcore feminist compared to these guys

>>11112667
Also, Satan having tits is a big turn off for many modern fujoshis while they didn't have many options on the 70s. Hell! Keiko Takemiya had to fight with her editor just to include a page with 2 boys kissing
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>>11112667
>his works aren't precisely female-friendly
His works aren't targeted to women. That however doesn't mean he hates women for fuck sake, especially with empowering females like Cutie Honey and Iron Virgin Jun.

And he spoke about the portrayal of Sayaka in the tv anime, and how his manga was different from that.

Sayaka is hot headed as fuck. Did you see the females before Mazinger?

Nagai is a feminist. He's just not the modern feminist type.
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>>11112584
If you only have 2 robots, one always needs to job. This is basic math!
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>>11112702
I thought that was the JSDF job
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>>11112699
>That however doesn't mean he hates women for fuck sake
You don't have to hate women to be misogynist
Also while its cool Sayaka get riled up it isn't exactly empowering to see her mech get trash or slice in half every chapter. Also to see her constantly captured and striped
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>>11112720
The JSDF is already in a state-of perma-job.It is already assumed that they're jobbing before the start of any episode.
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>>11112730
Admiring women for their beauty is not misogynistic. That's just the crap you hear from femnazis these days.

Cutie Honey gets stripped a lot, and it's sexy as fuck, but she can also fight, like other Go Nagai femmes. She's a heroine, and she's not being reduced to only her beauty.

>Also while its cool Sayaka get riled up it isn't exactly empowering
SHE'S A SIDE CHARACTER.

You know who else gets ditched every episode? Kappaeru from Enma-kun.

Kappa is a useless male sidekick. You hear that?

MALE.
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I mean this whole thing is fucking stupid.

You don't have to hate women to be misogynist?

Bullshit. That's the whole idea of a misogynist.

If Go Nagai hated women so much, explain how come he has so many heroine mangas?

And how come HE ACTUALLY MARRIED ONE?

Yeah, women get mistreated and raped in Violence Jack, but so do the men, and it's never EVER glorified.
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>>11112740
>Side character
See that really boils down the problem not in feminist but of Go's writing. Why? It wouldn't matter her sex but why does she have to be useless. You can say so she doesn't show up Mazinger Z the main mecha but thats just poor excuse of a terrible writer. The same problem exist for the Mazinger Army for example. They only in the finale only to die pathetically for shock value and it keeps happening in Mazinkaiser & ZERO.
Kappa is comedic character who not suppose to take seriously. He not a willingly brawler who out to save the world like typical shouen side characters.
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>>11112771
>but why does she have to be useless.
Because she's Kouji's love interest for fuck sake. She has to be saved. It's for the plot, not because Go Nagai "hates'' women.

What the fuck do you think will happen if Princess Toadstool could actually defend herself from Bowser and didn't need saving?

There would be no fucking Mario Bros.
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>>11112814
Don't give me that shit there is world difference between Sayaka & Peach role.
Peach is a passive character, I entirely get why she she a magnet for kidnaps. All she meant to be is a princess to jumpstart the Mario video games which is fine because they are not meant to be entirely engaging.
Sayaka however is a veteran Mecha piloting a robot said to have some toughest alloy. Yet everytime danger comes it goes through her like wet tissue. Then Mazinger Z comes in to save the day then this repeat all throughout the series. Now I ask how different would the show be if she was just a normal girl who is on a one&off romance with the Hero. None because in the end Mazinger Z just finish off the Mechanical Beasts like always if Aphrodite A is there or not. But its not like that so she is essentially wasted space and potential, so she is more than useless. Now if you want a character that can jobbed Boss is already the perfect job for it. His failures don't have to be taken seriously and already show how powerful the local MotW can do.
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You guys are idiots.

Sayaka is the second best pilot in Mazinger Z, second only to Kouji who also happens to be in a vastly superior machine. She has taken down mechanical beasts and is more helpful than any of Kouji's other allies.

In the manga, Kouji and Sayaka are an openly flirtatious couple and get along quite well. Sayaka does get reduced to a captive that needs to be saved at times, but the same can be said of all of Kouji's friends and allies. Her TV portrayal is different in that she and Kouji do not always agree, but they do get over their differences and learn important lessons yada yada it's a Saturday morning cartoon show.

Go Nagai is probably one of the biggest pioneers of putting females in powerful roles in anime/manga. His works were very controversial and popular, and he's known for his capable female leads. Who tend to be lesbians and fight against perverted/twisted men. Hell, Devilman Lady explored the damage of rape trauma and Jun's distrust of men.
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>>11112983
>She has taken down mechanical beasts
Please tell me when I would love to hear this
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>>11112983
Many people are off put by the sex and violence in Go Nagai manga, but they completely miss the point and never actually take the time to read his works with an open mind. He doesn't advocate these things, rather he shows them for what they are. Go Nagai's works rely heavily on metaphorical imagery and characters/figures. Even lighthearted works like Mazinger Z is rife with it.

Basically, calling Go Nagai sexist is frankly laughable. It borders on idiotic and shows a complete ignorance of the author's works.
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>>11113004
I remember this moment but I also remember she had to be saved by Koji again. This is the same chapter the Mazinger Army was killed. You can say they were overwhelmed and thus had no chance of surviving but if thats true why even include them in the first place. They can easily be just regular JSDF force trying to help Sayaka out and still have the same effect.
However she did manage to destroy Hell King Gordon sword (before Venus A was destroyed).
Do you have more examples?
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>>11112865
>Don't give me that shit there is world difference between Sayaka & Peach role.
Even the minute differences between their roles would still not back up your claim of Go Nagai being a misogynist. Things are the way they are, MOST likely because Nagai didn't think it through the way you are. He just wanted a strong MC, and a damsel in distress the MC has to save. Do you really think Nagai thought about Sayaka being a veteran? Sayaka just trains Kouji in the beginning. That's about it. You don't even know for how long Sayaka has been piloting Aphrodite A to become a veteran.

If you think Nagai purposely made her weaker, so that he could be misogynist towards women, then I'm sorry but you are a retard, and you clearly don't understand Go Nagai and his works.
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>>11112997
>calling Go Nagai sexist is frankly laughable.
This so fucking much.

It's the most ridiculous claim I heard about Go Nagai.

The other one being Go Nagai glorifies rape and violence because people get raped and violated in his manga.
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You people over-analyze his works. Go Nagai is just an artist who's constantly horny. He draws smut because he gets off of it, not because of some misogynistic agenda. That's retarded. He really isn't that much different from hentai artists.

Kekko Kamen for example with her crotch attack is all about fulfilling one of his own fetishes.

What's so hard to understand about that?
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>>11113142
Where the fuck did I claim Go was misogynist in that post? I don't give a shit if he is a misogynist sexist pig or not his treatment of Sayaka is out shit writing
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>>11112605
My headcanon is that everyone died and the glorious Mycenaeans ruled again

>>11112616
>misogynistic
>The guy who created some of the first competent women in manga is a misogynist

You're aware tits doesn't equal misogyny, right?
Violence Jack for example, you have boys being raped, women being raped, men being raped, and all being murdered. People seem to only focus on the women being treated the same as everyone else in the work. The fuck?

If your example is Cutey Honey then that's also bullshit.

Sayaka? It's a point that she's competent and stuck in a shitty robot. Kind of like every robot besides Mazinger.

You sound like that reviewer from ANN.
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>>11112771
Why is boss useless? Why is the Mazinger Army useless? Because they aren't the fucking hero. The spotlight is on Kouji. You're supposed to admire Kouji.

Poor writing? More like they couldn't fucking stand a chance against an actual army of goddamn mechs without their leader.
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>>11113395
Your entire post is an example of bad writing. They don't need to be incompetent show how powerful Mazinger Z or defenseless without him. Why can't you admit Go Nagai has flaws in the way he tell his stories
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>>11113040
read Zero, watch the toei series, heck she even takes down a warrior beast in the film
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the warrior beasts btw are what destroy the mazinger in nearly every version
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>>11113419
Your logical fallacy is that he has to write his stories a certain way when in fact, he doesn't. Mazinger Z is the only robot with super alloy z, which makes sense why it's the only one that can stand up to Mycenean tech. Otherwise, they wouldn't need Mazinger.
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>>11114259
>Super Alloy Z
>can stand up to Mycenean tech
Ok now I understand you're just baiting at this point
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>>11114332
In story about a boy who is given a technologically advanced weapon, that would usually be the point.
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>>11114332
you DO realize Dr. Hell's tech is salvaged and retro-engineered Mycenae tech, don't you?
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