We currently live in the decrepit era of the Young-Adult Females. Every book portrays a young independant white individual doing acts of violence, destroying the right idols and somehow changing the world through murder.
My question is what comes next?
These writers are not receiving their fat movie adaptations anymore. The genre has become stale as literature and exhausting as anything else. Yet their target market grows hungry yet again thanks to easily accessible eBooks.
How can we conquer these 14 years old fanfiction-reading girls with something that will actually make their lives better?
I know "pop" is low-tier literature but the reality is that there are millions of books being sold to this massive market every year.
How can we actually replace the Money Games and sell quality literature as the next big thing?
the hyper-novel is the future. the concept of 'literarture' is the product of outdated modes of text distribution... YA and shit like buzzfeed, the meme industrial complex are actually light years ahead of any 'literary' text content creators, they have managed to adapt to a post-print system before anyone else.
/lit/ makes fun of my commentary by spouting meaningless words which don't mean anything.
Does anyone here have any actual ideas on how to subvert the current trend of shit literature and actually give these readers something good for a change?
Literature, writing in general, and eventually language as we know it will become obsolete. A new system of higly evolved audio-visual semiotics that transcends metaphor and symbolism will emerge that can be piped directly out of and into the brain, bypassing sense organs entirely. The next Shakespeare will be the first of an evolved race of men whose brains have a meme-lobe
dont think of my posts as 'meaningless words' but rather as discrete infocapsules being beamed into your cerebral cortex at hypersonic speeds. to achieve hypermyth/postlierate integration, one needs to bypass the meaningful/meaningless dichtonomy and embrace impressionistic stimuli as a pathway to hyperspatial understandfullness.
this. but i admit i've thought about it. whatever the details are, for that target demographic it's still going to be underdog wish fulfillment with a teenage nobody somehow becoming the most powerful/influential/special person ever, most importantly better than the adults in the story. that's been true since the hardy boys. "literature" is never going to replace pop ya as the next big thing for that audience.
I understand now.
It all makes sense.
I am finally ascended from the mortal dilemma of the nihilistic meaning of capitalistic literature. I have reached a new patamar of fictional discourse never once considered by the polilogistically enclosed minds of before.
Don't waste your time. Shit lit can't be eliminated because the readers don't want it. They are happy with their superficial and entertaining stuff. Anyway, who 's to say what is good and what not?
>get the enchanted prince
>change the world (young people buy this stupid idea from old people all the time)
>never get any traumas from your endeavors
I've come to realization that it is mostly romance combined with armed revolution. That is the only thing the post-maoistic socialist youth wants now.
Specially the losers who actually read anything and want to be special because they can read more than three words without falling to boredom.
>How can we actually replace the Money Games and sell quality literature as the next big thing?
better question: if i wan't to whip out a ya money grab, what setting should it be?
>you're a wizard, harry
>dystopian future with kids murdering for adults' amusement
what's the ACTUAL next big thing?
You combine two very popular genres into one: Young Adult Erotica
The story shall have light sexual content, revolution and adventure.
Why not a metrossexual vampire who wants to take his Trump-voting father off the vampire kingdom and bites a girl so she can help him (and be used by him) because she is just so special?
Hollywood, I got it.
postgendered werewolf triplets form an incestuous commune/teenage terror cell/schizotronic pop combo as a means to take down global capitalism down once and for all. a heartwarming coming of age story
As long as the werewolf is a kinky werewolf, I have no doubt it'll workout.
Also describe the incest in detail. Remember it is most likely what is going to generate headlines and Goodreads reviews.
>never get any traumas from your endeavors
Nope, the chick in Hunger Games has """PTSD"""", which is becoming a badge of honor for millenials because of the 'victim olympics' phenomenon
He probably watched the movies. I never did that or the books but I read a few 1 star reviews on goodreads. It sounds hilariously bad even by YA standards. Like there's some kid in it who apparently knows how to camouflage himself because he's a baker or some shit.
>purebreed whites going extinct in the near future
>anons ok with it
I'm currently trying to publish a comedic YA fantasy novel that I'm hoping will be popular among the crowd that made Twilight and Hunger Games so famous. It's about a Mary Sue-type who abandons her post as a spiritual leader-in-training to save the world from a zombie apocalypse.
A lot of the influence for writing it came from Dante, Homer, Campbell's idea of the Hero's Journey, and the esoteric writings of Manly P Hall. I'm trying to raise the money now to hire the cover artists and attend a writer's conference here in NYC so I can pitch it to publishers in person.
Thanks, anon. I'm pretty passionate about getting it out there into the mainstream so I'm trying to generate interest however I can.
I've started a gofundme for anyone interested in donating towards my efforts. /thelunarplague
>one needs to bypass the meaningful/meaningless dichtonomy and embrace impressionistic stimuli as a pathway to hyperspatial understandfullness.
I did this once on 2 blotters of acid.
I also have a book which I'd like to publish but I am a foreigner.
I can't personally go to any of these events.
Do you think I have some chance of getting published in America? I write in english.
>Before long I expect to see transhumanism become a hot topic in the eye of popular culture.
As far as I know, if you can't pitch your work to publisher's directly then you're going to have to find an agent to represent it. Depending on the marketability of your book and you as an author they may or may not decide to pick it up.
As long as you don't go to the event wearing that cosplay you'll do fine, I think.
I have a big positive feeling about this. Meme Magic has been cast in your favour, Anon.
Can't wait to read "Of Plagues and Priestesses" someday.
BTW, I am also a fan of the medieval doctor mask. It creeps me out.
Praise Kek, may he lend me his aid. The costume is possibly for going around Time Square with some sort of sign with the name of my book and perhaps some sort of hashtag that piques their interest. Another aspect will be the cover itself, which I've been discussing with an artist rather popular on tumblr. Something visually impressive enough will certainly catch the eyes of young readers and make them want to carry it around and show their friends.
A release in the autumn when kids are going back to school would probably be the ideal time for it to circulate among them.
Great literary allusion. Classy move Vanity Fair.
Just like the opening of Moby Dick, it engenders in the reader a sense of falseness, of fabricated identity. Just like Ishmael isn't really Ishmael, Caitlyn isn't really a woman.
My thought about covers is different.
I prefer something elegant and simple. My philosophy is "what would be a cover that people won't be ashamed to have in their hands while they read?".
I only use two colours.
Opinion noted. I'm thinking of a half-portrait of the heroine before a land of briar thorns, barren soil, and stormy purple skies. Definitely going for an elegant look, like a really old book of tales and fables.
What will be the angle?
Will she have her backs to the camera and stare into the barren lands?
Will she be walking through the barren lands with the camera ahead of her? Or to the sides?
Half-portraits are great to instigate the imagination of the reader while sneaking the traits you want for the character in.
If the angle will be directly in front of her then I'm thinking of her walking with her hands clasped before her mouthing a prayer under her breath. If the angle will be from the side then she'll likely be casting her gaze upon the villain's tower in the distance.
I heard something about Amazon starting to open their own bookstores. Their competition with Barnes and Nobles seems to be heating up. My problem with e-books is that with so many of them it basically floods the market and finding anything decent will get even harder.
I think if I submitted for e-publishing it would certainly get picked up, but a physical book is a thousand times more satisfying in my opinion.
There's no real filter. They just do a very cursory automated check for potential copyright issues or if it gets flagged as somehow inappropriate (this almost never happens unless you're writing erotica).
This book is a testament to the fact that they'll allow nearly anything
As for physical books, you can do that too through their affiliate "createspace". It's free to do but they'll print your book on demand as it's ordered. The only downside is you need to do your own formatting (or pay someone to format the files for you).
Yes and no. If it's a small indie publisher you won't be much better off because they don't have much in the way of resources. If it's a bigger publisher, they can help out a lot, but your royalty share is going to be like a third of what you would've gotten self-publishing. Self publishing is really good if you have a concrete gameplan when it comes to how you're going to promote your book and keep it visible because the royalty shares are a lot higher than what you'd get with the average publishing deal even though there's no advance.
I had a feeling as much when I saw a book that blatantly labeled itself as a gay fantasy. A book with characters that are gay is fine but as a central premise that seems absurd and pandering.
Its tempting and I would have tried for it but I have nowhere near the resources to market and promote my own book like that. I know people who sure as shit do but I want to get something more tangible going before I pitch to them.
Would that legitimize 4chan as a source for prospective writers? There's already anons making ebooks out of greentext story. I talked to a guy who claimed he wasp be of gasbro's beta reader. He said "it's Hero's Journey stuff for teens and it doesn't suck complete ass"
Yeah, it is better to at least try getting an actual deal beforehand but if it's rejected like 50+ times you should just self-publish it. You only need about 1000-2000 bucks to work it. You just need a solid gameplan as far as promotion goes. From past experience, here's a brief checklist of the things you should do.
- Send out review copies (usually pdfs or converted epubs/az3w/whatevers) to a bunch of bloggers who review indie books
- Figure out exactly when you're going to release it and pay a few sites to promote it on twitter+their own site for several days when you do, you'll have to give it away for free on Amazon for those days to increase its visibility and potentially accrue reviews
-Buy ads on Amazon, Goodreads, and maybe a few other sites
It probably would in the same way that Tao Lin legitimized random 20-somethings with vaguely artistic pretensions as "alt-lit".
I forgot to mention that the review copies should be sent out about 3 months before you put it out, because it's going to take forever for the reviews to come in.
Pretty much what I'm thinking. Plague doctor anon here. Thinking of sending it to certain bloggers with a wide reach of followers, and possibly give out free copies while I wander about times square. My problem is the initial investments, hence why I've got a gofundme with all of about $10 in it.
Should make a publishing company and take shitposting to the next level with shitprinting. I'm convinced anons have more creativity than most the shit that gets picked up anyway. And with the publishing industry being 75% white women we'd be diversifying it for sure.
DESU, women are also 75% of the reading market.
Men just don't read the literature that is being published today. Fiction.
One of my dreams is actually bringing men back into fiction. If they were ever into fiction that was not 80 years old, of course.
Good points. Part of my decision for a female protagonist was to appeal to that demographic but I also think having fresh female characters is important as well. Certainly better than making all the super heroes lesbians these days. I think I did a decent job of a varied cast without doing things like making them pangender differently-abled otherkin. I do agree more men need to get back into fiction so I'm sticking to my plans as best as I can.
Yeah. I always go with female protagonists myself. It is just the GOAT of literature.
Books full with men like Brothers Karamazov would hardly be popular today.
Having a female character and at least two attractive distinct men fighting for her suits the fancy of the target market but scares the men away.
It is hard to find balance but I am sure it won't be a problem for you. I think every writer writes to women.
i did the same. book 5 does a "tag out" from the main character to switch to follow a strong female lead during a military scifi planetary siege. the only difference between having a strong male of female character is genitalia. seriously, you can make a strong female character that's neither a victim or a poster child for sappho fanfiction. you just have to pay attention and create a well rounded person without trying to make it edgy or some kind of poster child for some "yeah we're all strong women!" message. i wrote these books for my now 12 year old niece. i tried to create strong fictional role models without being preachy.
One of my beta readers was a 14 year old otaku type who fell in love with (character name) and gave me a piece of fan art for letting her read it. i was flattered she was that psyched about her. theres big money to wrangle in if you can hook the young teen female demographic.
Create a high budget awards show like the Oscars, but for books. I would imagine that most people who read YA don't know that literary fiction exists past the year 1969 because the K-12 system acts as if literature past 1969 doesn't exist. People will watch a movie if it is nominated for best picture because that nomination carries prestige and the viewer wishes to watch something more intelligent than Transformers to feed their ego. The problem isn't that people aren't interested in Jonathan Franzen, the issue is that people don't know Jonathan Franzen even exists.
>but the Oscars are shit
Doesn't matter. The Oscars promote a certain kind of movie, which can lead people on the path to Jean-Luc Godard or whoever your favorite director is, and a literary awards show would have a similar effect.
Being a bit of a weeb I admire how well Miyazaki does female protagonists. I'm trying to find the right balance of romance actually between some of the younger characters but I don't have to worry about that until my second of three intended books. I think what will make the bit of romance appealing will be that as a symbol of purity the heroine is forbidden from love, the sense of danger and risk will hopefully be enough for them.
You could also have a competent female protag, with multiple male suitors, and not make it, you know, heteronormative.
Like, that whole "she must chose between two men who literally fight for her affection, but are also ideological or biological enemies" trope is a relic of the despairing damsel mentality. The mental image I get when you say shit like that is of a petit blonde woman in a pink sun dress, parasol in hand, watching two men step to paces before they attempt to murder each other.
Also, enough of that whole, "all men are naturally given to physical violence" cliché. Like, what the fuck? No we are not. I am 21 and have never been in a physical altercation in my life, though I have had occasion to engage in some. I would kill a person as readily as I would kill my dog, or a pig, or a dolphin, or a chimp.
Appreciate the advice. With the way I've handled women so far in terms of ability and holding power there's pretty much no real climate where that "strong woman proving herself" bit is needed. As an example there are a handful of women who serve as Paladins to their High Priestesses but as still referred to as "Brother" for a bit of humor.
For the most part I'm going to avoid any characters having a harem form around them unless there's a good reason such as suitors going after the hand of a princess.
>In fact most of my people are equally disgusting. My literature is filled to the throat with cruel characters.
Well, as they say, write what you know, and what do 4channers better understand than cruelty and ruthlessness? That's why I feel like we should bring our collective indignation to bear on a political satire
>you will never be called Brother by the High Priestesses
>you will never kill zombies with the High Priestess
>you will never be her cannon fodder
>she will never dominate you and give you orders
And so begins the memeing.
>You will never train under Paladin Exalt Geltheim in the ways of squats and oats.
>You will never drink Sunswill during the feasts of King August.
>You will never clash against the marauding band of woman-snatching lesbians known as the Bulldaggers.
This is what I'm offering people.
FINALLY, A sex cult that doesn't involve forcible sodomy. I hope. That's another trope I was getting tired of: "Lets see how straight men like to take a dick guise! That'll show'em!"
Newsflash: retributive justice was never a good idea, and taking it to the extreme of collective reciprocal rape just aggravates gender tensions. Nobody should get raped, ever. Rape is pretty much the worst thing. Continuous rape and sexual slavery being, in my opinion, the vilest form of torture
Yeah I wouldn't risk turning away some younger viewers by taking things that far. There's going to be a lightheartedness that I hope will let me get away with some but I'm not going for edgy. Didn't know about scaphism, that's pretty cruel but does give me some watered-down ideas for possible tortures.
How fast can you write your books, by the way? I am taking a month only to write a fourth of the whole thing.
I want to actually become an assembly line of books. I am currently working on a lighthearted piece. My objective is to finish this and make a more heavyhearted book in the same universe.
It will be unrelated, though. My goal is to target the second one at YA audiences (it is darker) and the first at actual 12~18 years old children.
Depends on how much I can focus on it as opposed to dealing with classes. My second book should be done by the end of the year. I want to be able to put them maybe a year apart to stay fresh in people's minds. As I understand it 12-18 is still YA in terms of submitting to agents.
>treating vaguely concussed 14 year olds who read YA as though they have taste
I was reading Sound and the Fury at that age bitch nigga. And they could be too, they're just lazy, intellectually dishonest and emotionally shallow.
>writing story with 15 year old female main character
>there's a part where she gets romanced by a female prostitute who she then develops a love interest towards
>some people might call it progressive
>the only thing that's really progressing is
my novel will probably amount to nothing but at least I'll make it big
>tfw just writing sci-fi for 20-30 somethings while the other guys are going full meme
uh, good luck guys
my beta readers have been across a bunch of different demographics. i have positive feedback from males 22,35,41,and 55
and females 14,28, and 49.
they had a few questions but the things they asked about were cryptic messages and foreshadowing about shit later in the series.
the biggest thing i stressed with them was "dont kiss my ass. it doesnt improve if you just tell me... its really good." minor things have been fixed this way but for the most part i'm on point
absurdist fiction is the next big thing. srsly, pop culture has collapsed into a an utterly meaningless black hole of self reference. even mainstream texts gotta start dealing with all the spectacle angst somehow
You too anon. Sci-fi is definitely important but as far as writing goes getting interest might be hard unless it were for a game or movie, but that's just my opinion. Loathe as I am to say memes are rapidly becoming an important aspect, a book that becomes a meme like the stuff John Green writes in his cuckshed sells quite well. And it gives things to people to talk about on a non-academic level on places like tumblr or twitter or wherever else.
I'm confident in my setting and characters, I think people will get a nice laugh out of them. Its not so much "hard sci-fi" as it is more of an sci-fi adventure with philosophical themes, like Dune.
It has alotta fucked up things happen but I always try to inject humor wherever its appropriate so its not totally grimdark. Its planned now as a Duology with some novellas on the side that covers past events and the timeskip between the two mainline novels.
I honestly considered doing a game, but asie from lack of resources I really I dont want gameplay to get in the way of the story, which it inevitably would.
We really need to turn shitprinting into something.
We can make our own publishing shit business.
We will flood the literary market with so much shitposting the average library will look like India.
And the fun part is that the average book will still be kilometers above the normie products.
Once books started coming out consistently that were causing enough controversy to garner media attention and it becomes in their interest to report on the company then it'll officially made it into the mainstream. The potential to do it is definitely here just not the organization
One of us can start an editing business and take editing queries from Anons.
It will be a print-on-demand business with at least 75% royalties to the shit-author.
Sounds decent to me and will reward the endeavor. We can also invite more publishers interested in the shit authoring market to replicate our authoring waste even more. Thus allowing us variety in contracts.
The only issue is that we must remain anonymous. Is it a priority for you guys?
It'll literally be impossible to remain anonymous when money is involved, not to mention its undesirable. Shit can go south really fast if nobody knows anyone and there's little trust.