The obvious answer: Infinite Jest. Open it to any page, read it, and I'm like, Shit. He did it. He captured America between two covers. He captured what it means to be a fucking human being. Only Moby-Dick and Mason & Dixon come close.
>>7693025 >That dosent need to be the case today unless you're some overly romantic teenager. Nah, you could have said that about any time in history, you pleb. Get a job and write on the side. Then you're not fully devoted to it, are you? It becomes your ''on the side''... Are you usually a bit slow or?
>>7693027 I never implied I wanted to be remembered forever. Just that all of the ''great'' men in the world, mostly, lived in poverty at the time of their death. You were the one who put the two and two together, mate. Some of them were indeed very rich... most weren't though. And I think we can both agree that the majority of inspiration for any great work comes from some form of great suffering. Poverty, has been that suffering time and time again for alot of writers, throughout many different periods of time. >I can do whatever the fuck I want, including writing some actual good novels if I had talent (I don't). Do you imagine inspiration comes from having money? Because that's quite obviously the main thing. Money won't buy you ''obsession''
>I'd much rather be rich as fuck and spend my time exploring the world. Then go be a banker. You're wasting your time writing if that's what you want.
I know these things, what I'm telling you is that I have no desire to be great. I am not a writer, I like reading and comfort, based on these I would like to have written what would afford me the maximum comfort, which is Harry Potter.
I literally never once mentioned inspiration or any of that, it's tangential to my point. Besides, the mention of writing something good was just an example of the kind of thing you can do with limitless time and resources.
To your last point: I literally never once mentioned that I want to be a writer.
>>7693077 >Then you're not fully devoted to it, are you? It becomes your ''on the side''... Are you usually a bit slow or? Romantic teenager detected. Many people have perfected skills while doing other things on the side, writing is no different. There are legitimately good artists and writers with degrees in Chemistry, Engineering, etc.
>>7693135 >Romantic teenager detected. Not at all. I'm telling you as someone who just knows history. Sure, it's possible to do it but it's quite clearly much better for your work if it recieves your full concentration throughout life.
>Many people have perfected skills while doing other things on the side, writing is no different. Yeah... but I'm talking genius level shit here. Most of the ''great'' people to have ever walked this earth focused mainly on their work. They didn't work at the post office on the si... Oh wait, but I know someone who did and I can see how that worked out for him... >There are legitimately good artists and writers with degrees in Chemistry, Engineering, etc. What is your point? This does not mean they couldn't have created something much greater had they not spend so much time doing other shit.
And again, fucking Chekov namedropping doesn't mean anything. I ignored it last time for a reason...
>>7693150 If you know your history then you know its possible, I say Chekov because he's an extremely fine example of someone who could be an accomplished writer, doctor and just about everything else.
You're claiming to know history, but also ignoring it?
I should also add that the best writers had a wealth of knowledge about life itself, that implies going out and doing things, observing. They didnt sit around absorbing other peoples books. If all you know about the world is other peoples work then you wont be a very good writer, a technical trickster at best.
>>7693154 What the fuck are you talking about, mate?
As I've said... Most of the greatest writers, thinkers, inventors and ''great'' people lived in poverty when writing their great works.
As an example: Milton was fucking broke and blind when he wrote Paradise Lost. Writing isn't sitting in starbucks drinking your latte while hitting letters on your ''look at me'' typewriter while sitting effeminately.
I never said not have a job at all, just not one that requires much effort. If that. It's perfectly possible to live without a job.
>>7693175 >I should also add that the best writers had a wealth of knowledge about life itself Not at all and you wouldn't know this even if they did. >that implies going out and doing things, observing. Not always. Also, I never said you shouldn't do this anyway so I'm failing to see the point you're making. Working a job isn't the only way to ''go out and do things'' you know... >They didnt sit around absorbing other peoples books Uh... Yes they did? Yes they fucking did. >If all you know about the world is other peoples work then you wont be a very good writer, Says who? I'm not denying this either, I'm just saying... According to who? You? >a technical trickster at best.
>They didnt sit around absorbing other peoples books Kek'd Say that to pretty much every philosopher ever for atleast a large portion of their life
>>7693201 The point is you're painting this picture of the writer as someone whose huddled in his apartment and knows nothing else but jotting in his notebook and periodically munching on classics. Its a romantic notion with no real basis in fact.
The best writers always had a wealth of life experience and could capture emotions and scenarios that every man could relate to. There's even a running trend of many acclaimed authors today being war veterans. Life experience and what you have to share counts for alot when it comes to writing, since you're literally sharing yourself.
If you have a job, family, etc, and try to find time in the peripheries of your life to work, it is unlikely you will produce anything of worth
If you give up everything else and live as a bum in order to devote everything to literature, it is unlikely you will produce anything of worth
it is unlikely you will produce anything of worth
Genius is genius, either you have it or you don't. Genius can be stifled by the demands of writing for a living, or it can be stifled by the demands of doing something else for a living. Having a social life might leave you with no time to write. Not having a social life might leave you with nothing to say, rehashing some Fernando Pessoa shit and growing steadily more depressed because you're not him and nobody will ever care about your whining.
There is no rulebook. Do what you have to do, make your choice, live your life. and if you're talented and dedicated then maybe you'll produce something worth reading.
>>7693282 not sure if you're strictly referring to fiction and poetry or if you mean literature as in books. but the Nietzsche guy seemed very bookish to me, and he was interesting. but then again he probably was a normie
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