So I'm halfway through this faggot's poetry oeuvre

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>>7686416
>Why write poetry if your purpose in it is to make it obscure and difficult to understand?
If you think Eliot is esoteric holy shit you are a pleb

>>7686452
>references to esoteric arboreal rituals
>needless lines in other languages
>not esoteric

>>7686460
That's only one or two poems mate.
All of prufrock and other observations is easily understandable and not obscure.
The hollow men is relatively straight forward.
Ash Wednesday isn't obscure.
The Ariel poems aren't obscure if you aren't an idiot.
The 4 quartets are very straightforward.

Just because you didn't understand the waste lands doesn't mean you should write off all of his poetry.

>>7686416
Maybe you should stick with Poe and Ginsburg lad.

>>7686589
WOAH BACK THE FUCK UP

poe does not deserve to be ginsburg'ed

the sweeney poems (and play) are my favorite

I think about Profrock just about every time I sit down to write anything

pleb

>>7686592
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying he's bad. Just that he's easily understood.

>>7686596
To me it's almost a perfect poem.

>>7686596
Prufrock is my mantra, man!

>>7686416
Let me guess. You read each poem once, didn't understand, gave up and moved to the next one.

>>7686607
>>7686611
Then how should I begin
To spit out all the shit-posts of my days and ways?
And how should I presume?

>>> r/slampoetry

>>7686607
It's not even first rate, forget perfect.

>>7686592
both of those poets suck

Is it wrong that I like Ginsberg? I don't think he's the greatest, but I like some of his works.

>>7686416
True intelligence is being able to convey an idea with accuracy and certainty to a wide variety of people. Say what you want, but you know it's true. So these 'pretentious' people are actually idiots!

>>7686692
Good thing T. S. Eliot was able to do that.

>>7686683
people shit on good writers sometimes. people are annoyed by Ginsburg but there's a world between him and the sci-fi some people read. Don't let people shittalk Kerouac either: they're wrong.

>>7686692
Actually true intelligence is being really good at solving puzzles and things like that

>>7686712
>being this pleb

>>7686692
That's true plebtelligence. Writing is the only artform where complexity is looked down upon because every retard who graduated from high school thinks their opinion on it matters.

>>7686714
Actually it is someone with vast knowledg, and if you can't share said knowledge it all of sudden doesn't really mean much, especially with humans who love to share.

>>7686758
Actually complexity in art aka 'literature' is the only medium where it is not looked down upon for the fact that a pretensious price of work can be hard to understand but extremely satisfying to read. I'll have you know explaing subjects in laments terms is a skill.

>>7686416
THE platitude about modern poetry + faggot & virgin.

You da man, OP!

>>7686758
>he doesn't know about six different types of intelligences
lmaoing @ your life

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if you cannot assimilate the canonical refrences in The Waste Land into one wholistic experience you might as well quit reading while you're ahead t b h