/lit/ hates YA fiction because they used to read it a couple years ago and now need to rebel against themselves Genre fiction is fucking dumb and not a real thing all books are literature you dumb fucks, not just the smarty pants stuff
>>7680005 To clarify, I didn't mean books that were MEANT to be YA or genre and just happened to turn out great. I meant books that are presented in that way, possibly to draw in plebs and expose them to quality writing.
>>7679999 The New York Trilogy starts out as under the pretense of being a detective story. Though it's pretty clear that there's more going on than that right off the bat, because the protagonist in the first book is a mystery author who gets mistaken for the author of the book that he's in.
>>7680022 /lit/ hates YA fiction because they used to read it a couple years ago and now need to read higher literature because they have matured and improved and wish to continue this process. Genre is a modern phenomenon of categorization, not a literary criticism. All books are literature you dumb fucks, not just the smarty pants stuff, but not all literature is good.
>>7680157 >be pleb cultural relativist, pop culture is culture too!11 In my fucking language(Dutch) we have two words: literature and "lecture"(doesnt translate) the latter being reserved for porn, detective, romantic and pseudo journalism without artistic merit. So Orwell and Stalin were right: reduce the words and you'll reduce the ideas. Enjoy a life of ignorance, gorging yourself on filth.
>>7680273 I am capable of interpreting and appreciating literature. I do not read genre fiction or YA fiction, but if I did, I would be able to decide whether it was good literature by reading it. Whatever we categories the book as when selling it, it is meaningless when reading it. Although when reading we may think 'There are shared conventions and cliches which are similar to this other piece of work' all this means is that the text meaningless and therefore comforting.
Meaninglessness in literature and art is entertainment and comfort; it's very easy to do in literature, entertain the audience. Your lecture and literature is useless, because meaninglessness is not exclusive to genre fiction, nor is it a requirement.
Enjoy Joost van den Vondel, gorging yourself a lackluster literary golden age
>>7680356 dutch fag here again I think mostly its the other way around; people claiming that Harry Potter is on the same level as Shakespeare. Mark(et)ing Lit as YA will just disappoint a lot of people.( still waiting for reprints of de Sade with 50 shades of grey type of covers.) I tried it on my sister: I made her read a short story by Kafka at age 11 and "the Balloon" at 16 saying" read this, its soo randomXD" She was not amused, basic reaction was: wtf? But I'll educate her yet!
>>7680387 I believe the problem you have is the same that causes people to compare Harry Potter with Shakespeare. As a creative act, reading requires an intense level of interaction, one can be a 'good reader'. If one reads Harry Potter and enjoys the plot, the drama etc. Shakespeare is not going to provide anything new. If you come to Shakespeare prepared to understand subtext, historical context, character verisimilitude, rhythm etc. you will get more from it. I don't know what the cure for that is beyond 'read more'.
I may not be explaining myself very well, but I am only expanding on what you posted.
Hope you get your sister reading, my two younger brothers don't read, much as I've tried.
>>7680432 but there is no deeper (intended) meaning to HP. Its purely formulaic, from what I know of it. There is no sub text to explore. So I enjoy Coke and single malt whisky (not in the same glass though), but to say coca cola is of the same complexity as a single cask whisky, is untrue. Its not there. I don't care what people read, but I think it is a fallacy to say it is 'equal' or worth the same. Again, the analogy holds with disgusting overpriced whisky that is only enjoyed by edgelords with too much money. You can't say "HP is a lot of pages, so it's equal to war and peace/IJ/etc" yes people like it, but people also watch emptyV. I don't want complex and difficult stuff to be forgotten in favor of easy stuff.
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