I thought it was pretty interesting. He really did not understand how people interact/what other people's minds were like. I can't imagine how utterly alone you would feel being incapable of understanding the common social language of people around you.
It seems that he coped with his extreme isolation/alienation by developing some kind of hyper narcissistic denial of reality that eventually led him to violently strike out at people he had become incapable of empathizing with. His views on power relations are telling, especially those to do with race and gender.
It was a very interesting insight into someone who had gone completely insane. I can't really think of anything else like it. It was unusually well written as well. He talks about wanting to become a writer in it, but like everything in his life it was only in the vain hope it would get him sex.
My favourite part was when he walked past a girl and worked up the courage to say hello to her as he passed. She ignored him and he ran into a public toilet to cry for a few hours. Both funny and tragic.
I liked how clear it was but it got boring because I felt like i've read his story perhaps, on 4chan but without the murder. Though the part when he completely tore his sister for having sex, that kinda saddened for me for some reason. I dont remember why
>>7673571 >My favourite part was when he walked past a girl and worked up the courage to say hello to her as he passed. She ignored him and he ran into a public toilet to cry for a few hours. Both funny and tragic. Kek. What are the best quotes? I don't want to read the whole thing, but this sounds hilarious.
"At Santa Barbara City College, I had exactly the same experience that I had at Moorpark. I had to watch beautiful young people enjoying their lives together as I languished in loneliness and despair, because no one accepted me. I dropped my math class – I just couldn’t bear having to be at the college all day long, sitting in the library watching couples kiss each other. "
Pathetic, yes. But the unforgivable sin is that his writing, diction, choice of nouns and verbs, syntax--it's completely insipid. The prose is indistinguishable from babby's first journal.
>>7673589 I was legit going to read this at some point but after the first two paragraphs I decided it was not worth it. I cannot believe someone who is of age could actually write that shit and mean it.
"This is the story of how I, Elliot Rodger, came to be. This is the story of my entire life. It is a dark story of sadness, anger, and hatred. It is a story of a war against cruel injustice. In this magnificent story, I will disclose every single detail about my life, every single significant experience that I have pulled from my superior memory, as well as how those experiences have shaped my views of the world. This tragedy did not have to happen. I didn’t want things to turn out this way, but humanity forced my hand, and this story will explain why. My life didn’t start out dark and twisted. I started out as a happy and blissful child, living my life to the fullest in a world I thought was good and pure.."
>>7673543 I thought it was funny. He should have sent it to a publisher and marketed it as American Psycho for the 21st century. Because you could almost say it is. Bateman was a rich banker who was fucked up inside and this condition provided insight into the state of the world, you could say the same about My Twisted World. It's like BEE and Houlleboq rolled into one. And the shitty writing can be excused because the book is written in a journal style. It's not actually shit writing, it's writing in character.
I wish I could have gotten his manifesto before the shooting and convinced him to try this. He could have smashed /lit/ pussy all day.
>>7673580 Just skim through it. There's tons of stuff like that. But I'll give you a few more examples to wet your appetite.
>follows a couple in his car and throws iced tea at them in a fit of rage.
>Gets drunk at a family get together and starts crying about how he'll never have sex.
>Tells his lifelong friend about his philosophy that everyone should be banned from having sex. His friend calls him out as only believing this because he can't get laid and he stops talking to him for months.
It's weird. Its both funny and sad, and it is interesting to read something written by someone who was so delusional and out of touch with reality, while still remaining sort of relatable. As others have said, too bad the writing is awful, or it would of honestly been considered a good book
I'm probably a terrible person for this, but I find the book 100% hilarious. Some of you are saying that you feel 'sadness,' but for me it's all just comedy. This guy is a fucking cartoon character and when I read what he wrote I laugh and laugh. I don't know why I don't feel any pity for him. Maybe I'm a sociopath myself.
>>7673631 It's not really sociopathic to have no sympathy for a guy who killed a bunch of people because he couldn't get laid anon. It was hilarious in how over the top it was, the way he wrote and spoke really was like a badly written villain.
>>7673631 it's sad that california is such a hellhole i wasn't sad because he failed, i was sad that he is basically the culmination of america and it happens to be the most powerful country on the planet
>>7673543 -females are not males -men want to be validated, to feel relevant -when men feel disconnected from reality, they think of suicide -men understand that other men are just as pathetic as them -therefore men cannot be validated by other men, but by something that is not male -men want therefore to be validated by --women --higher men who do not feel the need to be validated -higher men are rare -women are not rare -how to be validated, to be noticed by cumdumpsters ? -women are hedonistic, which means they are egotistic and what feeds their ego is their pleasures. -therefore, to be noticed by women, men love to try to please women -how to please tramps? -women love sex and money -women love to love sex and money -- therefore men give them money and sex FOR FREE -men understand then that other men give money and sex to the same woman. -men understand that women LOVE to have plenty of lovers -men understand that women DESPISE poor and/or ugly men SINCE those men cannot feed her hedonism -most men remain unvalidated, unnoticed and whine >no gf -women compete with other to get the best men -most women always get what they want from men, even a solid decade after their menopause. EACH girl KNOWS that, in her life, there will ALWAYS be one man more dedicated to her than to any other girl. -women want sex, as said, but equally to be entertained outside the bedroom (which cost money) -the goal of the girl is to get the best man who will focus on her for a very long time -no such man exists, so she will seek men who satisfy her through sex and other men who satisfy her through comfort -men being worms, they build various strategies to provide for women -men being worms, they attempt to avoid passing for worms in saying ''women are sluts and useless''
the fact is that women are far smarter than worms, and worms despises this. worms will say that any other woman which is not their /true one/wife/gf/oneitis is a whore (as if it is an insult HAHAHAHA)
>>7673679 Breivik was/ is a nutjob but Rodgers was just "Reeeee wimmin have the option of getting with others." Breivik had to watch every day as his country was trampled underfoot. He still shouldn't have killed anyone though.
>One boy who was tall and had blonde hair called me a “loser”, right in front of his girlfriends. Yes, he had girls with him. Pretty girls. And they didn’t seem to mind that he was such an evil bastard. In fact, I bet they liked him for it. This is how girls are, and I was starting to realize it. This was what truly opened my eyes to how brutal the world is. The most meanest and depraved of men come out on top, and women flock to these men. Their evil acts are rewarded by women; while the good, decent men are laughed at. It is sick, twisted, and wrong in every way. I hated the girls even more than the bullies because of this. The sheer cruelty of the world around me was so intense that I will never recover from the mental scars. He's right, you know
>>7673679 >the Unabomber. His manifesto is actually interesting, even if it's a bit unhinged as well. The bits about what he calls Leftism, which seems a strange/provocative name to me for what he's actually describing, are pretty thought-provoking.
>>7673686 Industrial Society and its Future sounds interesting but I was talking more about how sad it was that Brevik had to plagiarize it instead of just writing his own manifesto while a basketcase autist like Elliot Rodger actually managed to write his.
>>7673701 >“This was a bizarrely funny story, but I also saw this as a story about people who are never happy with what they have,” Bay said.
“So I felt there was some social commentary about the criminal mind. If you ever talked to criminals, they think, ‘I deserve it, and I’m not doing anything wrong.’ And generally I think people are fascinated with the train-wrecks of crime.”
I want to show a lot of grey areas, and I want to show how bizarre it was that they kidnap someone, collect all this money and have a loving wedding the next week
That's all Bay really says about the movie. I think the average movie-goer is quite capable of understanding those points.
>>7673699 >>7673704 It's because neo-reactionaries don't have a coherent worldview. They're aware that something is wrong with their cultures but they're incapable of just accepting something that existentially morbid so they have invent causes for the decay that they can attempt to subvert.
>>7673631 Who was the first sociopath? Are you so stupid that you believe ER was a sociopath? Are you so stupid that you believe laughing at ER makes someone a sociopath? Go learn what a sociopath is dummy
>I came across this Asian guy who was talking to a white girl. The sight of that filled me with rage. I always felt as if white girls thought less of me because I was half-Asian, but then I see this white girl at the party talking to a full-blooded Asian. I never had that kind of attention from a white girl! And white girls are the only girls I’m attracted to, especially the blondes. How could an ugly Asian attract the attention of a white girl, while a beautiful Eurasian like myself never had any attention from them? I thought with rage. I glared at them for a bit, and then decided I had been insulted enough. I angrily walked toward them and bumped the Asian guy aside, trying to act cocky and arrogant to both the boy and the girl. My drunken state got the better of me, and I almost fell over to the floor after a few minutes of this. They said something along the lines that I was very drunk and that I needed to get some water, so I angrily left them and went out to the front yard, where the main partying happened. Rage fumed inside me as I realized that I just walked away from that confrontation, so I rushed back into the house and spitefully insulted the Asian before walking outside again.
Women are cruel in a way you can't possibly appreciate until you see it from the inside. Lack of worth in a suitor translates to complete "badness." They feel the same license to exploit, abuse, humiliate, etc. a person if they're not an Impressive Male Specimen that the average man feels about triple-convicted child rapists or whatever. There's almost a weird hatred there for failed, weak men. Even among the nicest, most reflective ones, there is always this tinge of enjoying shitting directly down a beta male's throat. Especially when that beta male is cluelessly supplicating, doesn't realize his own unworthiness, etc.
There's some quote like "young men delight in thinking that women are angels, and are dismayed when they learn that it's not always so." If there's any incommunicable instinct that I wish I could beam directly into the minds of all dudes, one of those things you can only learn by getting your battle scars from it first-hand, it's just how petty and mean women really are. It's so hard to describe the juxtaposition of what your dick wants you to think they are, and what they really are.
Just remember, women have no sense of their romantic or even their sexual power over you. They benefit from it, they're immersed in it, but they don't embody it gracefully or graciously. The chivalrous worship that some part of your brain wants to give to them isn't reciprocated on any instinctive level by them, there is no yin / yang harmony waiting to happen there. They are basically short, weak, listlessly hedonistic men, boring and petty and selfish by default, who have been born with a silver spoon between their legs. They will not be nice to you if you kneel and offer your heart to them. That cooing "awww" moment where they realize the depth of your love is more substantial than some alpha male's Lamborghini only exists in movies. Women exist to take the hearts of supplicants and sell them on the black market to pay for the alpha's Lambo lease. Especially be wary if you meet one or end up dating one and find yourself thinking "this one's DIFFERENT."
Those ones are the ones that take the other organs too. Always close yourself off a bit with women. The transcendent friendship your culture tells you you'll find with them is a misguided delusion of degraded Platonic love. They don't understand it and they never will.
>>7674493 Its not necessarily either. It could be copypasta. If it were Elliot then it would likely be original content additionally but it could also be Elliot's copypasta. Do you get my meaning family?
>>7674493 no, this is truth if one is a pussy but there is a solution: not being a pussy the idea that women should respect faggotry is insane a woman would have to be very stupid to carry a pity-case's child -- thus one must have respect to open legs
>>7673589 >>7673597 That's the beauty of it you silly fags. Here's this BMW driving designer clothes wearing spoiled orange juice splasher soon to be mass murderer and he's writing corny Hollywood narrator monologues, and he's the kid of a director of the Hunger Games who grew up in this world. He lived his life in a plastic vapid world and he's a product of it.
This is the Great American Novel, 21st century style.
>a woman would have to be very stupid to carry a child
Yes I agree. Since having children necessitates the suffering of those children which would otherwise remain nonexistent and thus experience no suffering there are only two conclusions that can be reached. Those who have children are ignorant or else they are malicious. Any person who was ever tortured molested, beaten or savagely murdered could have been spared that fate by simply not being brought about.
>>7674684 What if he went to Russia? He had money, looks, he wasnt an alcoholic (a big plus for russian women) and a lot of blonde girls who would jump on his dick. They also hate melanin-enriched people.
His autismo wouldnt be too noticeable because of the language/cultural barriers
>>7674714 The episode where he fills up his supersoaker with orange juice and shoots it at 'degenerate' popular kids is one I can easily imagine Ignatius do (of course the latter's ire wasn't fuelled by sexual frustration)
>>7674684 He actually didn't have direct access to real money since he was mostly with his mom after his parents divorced. That's why he thought the lottery was his last chance at getting laid. Autistic as he was, even he could've gotten laid if he was actually rich.
>>7674728 It's why I find so few "comedy" books funny. Confederacy was wild and the author committed suicide shortly after writing it having refused to edit it. And My Twisted World is just so sincere that part of the reason I find it humorous is that it's obvious the author isn't some guy playing word games at the expense of a narrator he is trying to "make funny".
>And he did what other people do who want to get rich quickly - he bought a lottery ticket. And yet there was a difference between the way Adolf bought a lottery ticket and the way other people did. For other people only hope, or rather, dream of getting the first prize, but Adolf was sure he had won from the moment of buying the ticket and had only forgotten to collect the money. His only possible worry was how to spend this not inconsiderable sum to the best advantage.
>It was typical of him that he often mingled his most fantastic ideas with the coolest calculations, and the same thing happened with the purchase of the lottery ticket. While he was already, in his imagination, spending his winnings, he carefully studied the lottery conditions and worked out our chance with the greatest precision. "
>>7673643 >It's not really sociopathic to have no sympathy for a guy who killed a bunch of people It is though. >>7673631 I laugh hard exactly because I recognize myself in everything he thinks and everything he does. Except for not being being able of empathy. It's sad because you can see that people don't give a shit about others until they harm someone else. Not even his parents. It's cathartic.
>>7674781 you want to contact the victims because your curiosity is worth more to you than their wishes. the newspapers at the time featured so many "no comment"s and "please take my photo out of the story about the guy i really didn't know" that i'm assuming invasion of privacy doesn't mean anything to you.
i mean, it doesn't have to mean anything to you, i'm not here to moralfag, but i'm also not here to run google searches for you. your curiosity only means shit to you.
considered they all no commented out of the story, or their parents spoke on their behalf to ask for privacy, yeah, i'm thinking you're going to have to googlestalk them and then approach them under false pretenses if your curiosity is really worth it. moralfags will probably look down on you for it, but i'm just looking down on you for not being able to do your own research and thinking 4chan's your personal background check army.
>>7674809 It's a very strange psychological state to be convinced that you want something so badly but make no effort to attain it. I can't decide whether he's so narcisstic that he expects people to come to him, or whether he really doesn't want a relationship all that much but is very susceptible to social influences telling him he does and thus making him sperg out.
>>7674800 >It is though. It's the exact opposite of sociopathic because a disdain for criminals (especially murderers) is part of the in-group mentality tied with being a "well-adjusted" member of society. You're expressing your support of the social order by showing disdain for him.
>>7674819 But I think he was at least self-aware enough to realize his inferiority. The whole BMW and designer clothes thing suggests narcissism, but (maybe I'm being sentimental here) he also seems pretty sensitive in a sort of naive and innocent way, as if he thinks the adult world he hates so much forces a person to have to be extremely materialistic and callous in order to succeed. He was so obsessed with nostalgia and the superiority of childhood, I think he was just wilfully deluding himself about the nature of adult life so that he would feel justified in not having to truly confront it or something.
>>7674809 That's part of my point though, they'd come to him so he wouldn't have to try engaging them in a conversation. When people go around spending shitloads of money, it's really noticeable and there are plenty of women hard-up for cash who will take advantage of that sort of thing.
>>7674830 >But I think he was at least self-aware enough to realize his inferiority
I wish I could find the thread on bodybuilding.com that he participated in. He vehemently refused that his looks wasn't anything but glorious and that everyone who'd suggest otherwise must've been jealous or blind
>>7674832 >how do i stalk the other people in the book >i mean not stalk, just get someone else to stalk >i mean, not get someone else to stalk, just getting someone else to google >i mean, get someone else's research none of that is going to go over well in a writer's group or on 4chan. you're obviously some normie idiot who thinks that they're incapable of doing something which could be considered immoral, even when you're asking to do it. just embrace that you're a creeper who wants to investigate the lives of people who want privacy, and get your ass on google. it's really not a hard website to operate.
>>7674863 >i haven't read the book never change, /lit/ don't worry, you haven't read my posts about how they no comment'ed out of this either, so i wouldn't expect you to be capable of reading any material related to the case. >have pity on me i'm in russia and the internet doesn't reach here yeah, do you really think i'm starting to google these things for you, when you haven't even bothered yourself.
>>7674865 People actually put that thing on their kindles? I made it last year for the anniversary of the shootings and was going to put it up on amazon but they rejected it for a "copyright" issue so I just put it up on tinyupload. I don't think I even have the file anymore.
>>7674869 A guy literally posted 50 exerpts with additional material, homosexual friend. Perhaps he -- or people of similar ilk and inclinations -- were already in possession of a host of different sources. Hence my asking.
>>7674876 No, sorry, I don't have any interviews dude. Would watch/read any you can dig up, though.
Not sure why the other guy is being so fucking weird. It's a bit fucking creepy that he for some reason immediately assumed you're going to try and contact the people who knew Elliot and berated you for it, but he already seems to know all about them himself.
>>7673597 >I cannot believe someone who is of age could actually write that shit and mean it. Why not? It seems to me that you must be extremely young or incapable of feeling any empathy in genera. This is the kind of thoughts that are in everyone's mind, but in Elliot's case, it applied to most people who surrounded him because of his solitude. Being in a room where the person you love is making out with another person would be hard for you and for anyone; being in a room filled with happiness and love when happiness and love is something you crave for but you cannot have (doesn't matter if it was in fact like that, believing it is is enough) would induce enough emotional pain to stay away of those places. I had similar thoughts when I was his age. I didn't drop the classes, but I barely went to the school building unless a test was taking place.
I blame his parents a great deal because of what happened. It should be obvious for any parent that pays the slightest attention to his child that he may have problems and suggest treatment. Maybe the lack of attention in the family was a problem, that while it can be of no worries for an adult, it always alienates the children who practically grow in isolation.
>>7674883 >creepy course it's creepy, m8. just like it was creepy enough for the newspapers to issue an apology to the girls they put pictures up of after the girls no commented. it violates basic journalistic ethics, but i'm not bound by them like the newspapers are. and yeah, if he wants some information which isn't available by googling, aka anything that's not a no comment, he is going to have to contact them under false pretenses. i don't have a moral problem with him doing that, i have a problem with him assuming everyone else has to do the leg work because he's interested. i did the legwork because i was interested and i don't mind being a creeper. his work ethic to things he's interested disgusts me way more than his idea that his curiosity is worth more than victims feelings. >>7674884 >autistic ah, meaningless words.
i don't see what's wrong with telling someone who is interested in a subject to read about it himself or do his own research. maybe there's too many dumas pere fans ITT and i'm touching a nerve when i say you might have to do your own research like everyone else. russiananon, if you're just a dumas fan and believe in his school of research, you can pay me to google things for me, just send the email
>>7674902 In moment like this I'd like to be the kind of anon that has a reaction face folder. Maybe I could express in a better way how retarded you are being right now. Do you know this board is for people over 18?
>>7674919 Oh. Well I didn't make the original version of that cover, but the one you found is the one I used as my cover. I erased the penguin, drew the pepe there in ms paint and changed it to "pepe clasico".
>>7674605 I like to imagine that this society would inevitably crumble due to the fact that masturbation would have to be preserved and would eventually lead to a rediscovery of sexuality. Not because I find it loathsome or anything, I just think it would be funny.
>>7675457 >functional human being >throwing drinks at strangers >crying all the time at bathrooms because others wouldn't worship him >dropping out of classes because he didn't want to see other people
>>7675622 >unprovoked Hahahaha, wait, you actually believe this? His narcissistic behaviour derives from the self deprecation he actually feels for himself. He hates asian people for fuck's sake. He was treated like shit by the ones who were closer to him and this lead him into the spiral of self deprecation and inability to have normal relationships. This is where the desperation part comes from. Then he also lacked empathy, while being able of analytical thinking.
He wasn't autistic, don't even try to reduce everything to "he was crazy". What happened was the natural end of the course of the events. In a certain way he was right calling it a "retribution".
>>7676277 >I visited my mother’s house quite often in the Autumn. To my extreme rage, I discovered that my sister now had a boyfriend, and that she had lost her virginity. She had casually “dated” boys in the past, but never to the serious extent that she did with this one. This one was a half White, half Mexican named Samuel, and I immediately took an intense disliking to him when I was first introduced to him. He seemed like the typical obnoxious slob that most young girls are sexually attracted to. Georgia invited him to my mother’s house all the time, and it angered me to watch him lurking about, eating my mother’s food and drinks, and making use of my mother’s house. He was freeloading off my mother, and she didn’t even realize it.
>I eventually grew to hate him after I heard him having sex with my sister. I arrived at the house one day, my mother being at work, and heard the sounds of Samuel plunging his penis into my sister’s vagina through her closed room door, along with my sister’s moans. I stood there and listened to it all. So my sister, who was four years younger than me, managed to lose her virginity before I did. It reminded me of how pathetic I was, that at the age of twenty-two, I was still a virgin. I hated her boyfriend as well. My sister said that he’s been with other girls before her, and I’m sure he lost his virginity at a much younger age. It is such an injustice. The slob doesn’t even have a car, and he is able to get girlfriends, while I drive a BMW and get no attention from any girls whatsoever.
>My sister even showed me a picture of one of his ex-girlfriends, a pretty brunette white girl. My hatred towards him only intensified after that. I refused to speak to him whenever he came over, and I constantly pestered my mother to ban him from the house, but she refused to heed my demands. Even worse, she constantly talked about him admiringly. He reminded me of Leo Bubenheim, a typical obnoxious boy who has been able to experience a great sex life from a young age. An enemy had now infiltrated the household of my mother, the one place in the whole world where I’ve always sought refuge from injustice. Things were getting too out of hand.
>I formed an ideology in my head of how the world should work. I was fueled both by my desire to destroy all of the injustices of the world, and to exact revenge on everyone I envy and hate. I decided that my destiny in life is to rise to power so I can impose my ideology on the world and set everything right.I was only seventeen, I have plenty of time. I thought to myself. I spent all of my time studying in my room, reading books about history, politics, and sociology, trying to learn as much as I can.I became a new person, furiously driven by a goal. My torment would continue, but I had something to live for. I felt empowered.
>>7673543 I wonder if a century from now, people will look back on My Twisted World and consider it to be a classic. It was pretty brilliant. It was unintentionally humourous, but at the same time offered a deep insight to how someone like Elliot tried to cope with society. It almost reads as if its a satire of itself at points. I wonder if Elliot could have really been a famous published author if he tried.
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