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Are their books generally frowned upon by /lit/? Why? I went to the local bookstore and there were many of classics available for relatively cheap, the only thing that prevented me from buying some was because I thought I read on /lit/ that Penguin's translations are shit.
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Penguin is a good birde, /lit/ is just overreacting
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Give me an adequate answer goddammit /lit!
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They do tend to go cheaper, but some do commission new and improved translations. But you shouldn't be reading translations to begin with, or had you forgotten that?
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>>7666751
Well, I won't be reading in any other language than English
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Good for Dostoy.
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We only hate them because they are popular.
also meh quality, but that has to be expected with their price tag
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they have some bad translations (gogol), and some goat (genji).
You should google before you buy your books, i know it's a hassle, but ultimately worth it.
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>>7666751
I'm afraid that this meme goes so far that there will actually be newshitters here who genuinely won't pick up translations, because they think it's 'wrong'.
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>>7666721
Mostly because of things like their overpriced (relative to what you're getting) deluxe paperbacks and "your task in these dreams is often to pens".

I don't really know much about their translations.
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>>7666773
Yeah, but we also have people learning languages now too.
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>>7666786
They usually aren't that pricey I think, I mean they aren't wordsworth level of cheap but they aren't bad.
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>>7666773
Well you should be able to read Latin at the very least if you're going to post here.
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>>7666792
I think you have a overvalued view of /lit/.
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>>7666792
Agreed, but Latin is only one language.
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>>7666721
Just make sure they have the good translation. They usually do so for Tolstoy. I generally go for other publishers because I don't like Penguins covers, but those that I do own are good enough.
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>>7666721
>listening to /lit/ outside of recommendations

Good luck reading 5 books for the rest of your life
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>>7666801
Who is the best tolstoy translator?
I bought the penguin version, but got the impression that it wasn't the optimal.
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>>7666813
Pevear & Volokhonsky

but I'm sure someone will come along and tell me I'm wrong
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>>7666813
Which Tolstoy, and which translator is the Penguin you have?
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>>7666815
I won't, I'm not spiteful.
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>>7666819
The Death of Ivan Ilyich and Other Stories, translated by Anthony Briggs, David McDuff and Ronald Wilks.
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OP here,

I want to buy the following from Penguin
>Don Quixote
>War and Peace
>Some stuff from Kafka

Any objections? Thanks.
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I have a penguin classic for every major book of the western canon from Aeschylus to Goethe, as well as most of their Classical histories.

They never disappointed me, but I guess I'd never know if they could be better.
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Penguin aren't bad at all, I'd just say that usually there is a better alternative. For works in English where you don't need a lot of notes, nothing wrong with Penguin. But for works in translation, or where a lot of notes are helpful, usually other editions have better. Oxford World Classics is another big publisher with similar range and often better translations and notes.
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>>7666773
It IS wrong. Obviously I'm not going to refuse to pick up translations, because I don't want to have to learn the entirety of Attic Greek just to see the plays that inspired so many English authors, but it is a basic truth that translation erodes the prose or verse of the original work. Take something like Finnegan's Wake, which was recently translated into Chinese-- how could you possibly translate that? The novel has it's own language built precisely on wordplay and references which only work in Indo-European languages.
When you are reading a translation you are essentially reading an original work of the translator. This can be a beautiful piece of literature in itself, but it will not be the true original of the author, especially not in poetry.
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>>7666860
Finnegans Wake is the most extreme possible example of untranslatability though.
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>>7666860
I'm not saying that it isn't optimal, but the thought of people not reading a classic because they don't speak russian is insane.
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>>7666920
Learning each classic's original language.
>insane
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>>7666932
Well memed, sir
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>>7666932
List every classic worth reading. Now learn all of their languages. Not only their modern versions but also the archaic ones. And dialects, of course (Homer's greek =/= Sophocles' greek).

Now tell me that this isn't insane for anyone who isn't a linguist.
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>>7667034
>>7667041
I was reverse memeing you fags, relax.
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>>7666721
I'm reading The Brothers Karamazov and it's a very nice translation. Between Oxford and Penguin, I find Oxford more accurate and therefore more reliable for academia (The Republic, Thus Spoke Zarathustra etc) but only marginally, and Penguin is a more enjoyable easier to read.

>my $0.2
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Inferior translations and botched version of Gravitys Rainbow.

Vintage Classics on the other hand is god-tier and usually has the best translations of classic literature (Don Quixote, Kafka)
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>>7667047
I literally commended your meme familia
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>>7666841

>Aeschylus

>he actually fell for the greeks meme
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>>7667267
>tfw in a couple of months this post will not be ironic
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>>7667073
triggered
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>>7667097

Idk, they have McDuff for Crime and Punishment, so they're not all bad
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>>7666824
kek
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>>7667267
>he actually fell for the he actually fell for the greeks meme
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>>7666721
Penguin is fine, anon. They usually do a good job.

It's Wordsworth you need to stay away from.
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Penguin is great with translations. Norton is absolute shit tier. This board is retarded.
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