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Why is enlightenment so unattainable?

All I want is Nibbana but these niggas keep dragging me back down.
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>the current year
>believing eastern "religion"
>believing eastern "philosophy"
>not going full hegel
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>>7666150
but i want the nibbana merit badge ;_;
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>>7666149
It is unattainable because it doesn't exist.
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>>7666330
^ This

The sooner you embrace your meaningless, absurd existence the better off you'll be.
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you're already enlightened, bro - we all are. you just gotta figure out how to realize it.
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>>7666149
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNYz9hy5hi8
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>>7666150
>not going full hegel

Dialectics, son!
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>>7666150
This kind of critique of human subjectivity is essentially the result of those Paul Ricoeur called the “masters of suspicion”: Marx, Nietzsche, and Freud. These are the first to suggest that the domain of conscious intention, decision, and judgment is merely an appearance, while the true determinates of what we take ourselves to be consciously determining are actually inaccessible to consciousness. The domain of our conscious attentiveness is a kind of illusion, a pretension to run the show of our own lives, whereas it is actually some manifestation of the relation between the mode of production and the relations of production in a given society, or the will to power, or the unconscious. What poststructuralism did, which is essentially a post-Heideggerian phenomenon, is intensify the skepticism about the possibility of running any show, by destabilizing the attempt to identify these so-called true forces of determination—the unconscious, the will to power, economic relations of class, and so on. Such an intense skepticism that we could ever come to any determination about those latent forces leaves one in a of condition of complete indeterminacy—a “floating signifier.”

The central response from the Hegelian tradition we have been discussing is that the conclusion of utter indeterminacy points immediately to its own practical unintelligibility. In other words, suppose you are convinced that human subjectivity, in this somewhat crude sense of “running the show,” is an illusion. What would it be to properly acknowledge this fact, in one’s life, from the first-person point of view? Are you supposed to wait around indefinitely, to see what your indeterminate forces do? There’s some enormous overcorrection in the history of Western thought since roughly Marx and Nietzsche, in which all sorts of babies are being thrown out with all kinds of bath water. The dimension of a free life that Hegel is interested in has not, by virtue of these critiques, been superseded or gone away, unless we have some way of understanding what it would be to actually acknowledge such a departure in life. The postmodernist critique of subjectivity is “overdone” to the extent that it leaves us with no concrete way to understand what the actual position of subjectivity should look like to an agent.

The problem of freedom, as Hegel understands it, is not freedom from the interference of external impeding forces. Hegel is one of the first to offer a critique of the liberal democratic tradition for its emphasis on isolating the realm of entitlement to mere non-interference. You can be un-coerced, and do what you take to be appropriate, and still have a relationship to what you do that is not identification, that is not affirmative toward it. We are finite beings, of course.
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>>7666352
Much of what we do falls within a constructed realm of possibilities that we do not determine. But, for Hegel, what is crucial is the kind of recognitive relation between that realm of possibilities and what you actually do, and the conditions for you to be able to enjoy that kind of identification are social and public. They are largely determined by the kind of world you grew up in, or the kind of world you have to deal with when you are grown up. So the problem of freedom, for Hegel and those who follow him, is not freedom from external constraint, but the establishment of the social conditions under which the life you lead seems to be the one you have determined.
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>>7666150
hegel admits that he cannot understand empiricism, stoicism and buddhism. he admits that he his too hedonistic to lose faith in his sensations and ideas.
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>>7666354
Thesis --> Synthesis <-- Anithesis
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>So the problem of freedom, for Hegel and those who follow him, is not freedom from external constraint, but the establishment of the social conditions under which the life you lead seems to be the one you have determined.

Hegel the good little rationalist despises life so much that he tries to ''understand'' why >muh society makes us do what we do, in order to change society for fulfilling, at last, his wishes.
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>Hegel
>writes a book whose premise is that the writing of the book is the culmination of history
>says the German empire is the culmination of Spirit

kek

Also Hegel is just saying what the Indians had said all along, Hegel's Geist is the Upanishadic Brahman, with a layer of European historicism
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Are you following the noble eightfold path OP? Are you practicing meditation daily? Developing the four establishings of mindfulness and seeing that the nature of reality is impermanent, not-self, and unsatisfactory?

Nirvana isn't unattainable for those who follow the path, you just have to do the work son.

Don't tarry OP, death comes for everyone and you never know when. Practice before its too late.
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>>7667112
is this Gilgamesh?
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