Most people hate him for his pretentious characters, I think, but what really annoys me the most is all those fucking forced metaphors he adds on every single page. "If people were toilets, she was one with a seat-warmer." It's all terrible.
>>7662683 >I realized that I didn't make a mistake. I was made of mistakes. People are made of mistakes. This is what people are made of. Remember that people are made up of stars, our own celestial bodies, what comprises others incredibly out of reach yet twinkling in the distance, preconceived and premature, and yet we ourselves are made of the same cosmic dust-to-dust. Always remember, also, the universe was made by accident. And it all makes sense, because she is my sunbeam.
>Hannalore Annelise wore makeup like wood glue. I was the qawky, gangly teenager, with limbs like freshly washed baby carrots, starting at square tile one of the high school entrance. I had a stack of books the size of two Infinite Jests and a paperback The Girl With Curious Hair. I was looking her, dead, in the eyes.
>"Why are you speaking to me, Jonathan?" When she spoke, she made it a breeze. When others spoke, I only heard wind. And yet, when I spoke to her, I talked to the wind.
>>7662898 >REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE Does anyone who reads widely actually want to be involved with a John Green's fanbitches? I mean if you did you just have to lie about his books and curse the patriarchy for them to open their blue-dyed bush to you
>>7663593 There is nothing to get. That's what separates John Green from proper literature. He chooses his metaphors, his descriptions, his characters, everything, to maximize quirkiness and differentness. I won't ascribe originality to him. It's all skin deep, there is nothing more than what you read on the page. >>7663592 kek I would never. Last time I fucked a bitch who liked John Green, I was 15. I was statutory raped by a John Green fan, kekity
>But Augustus, he was different. Oh I'd known boys who read a lot. Really I did. It was obvious though how reading books and feeling sorry for being so white and so deep was the only things these guys had going for them. Pity is what they wanted. Self-pity, pity from others, and the sort of sad, sorrowful books that justified making their lives into one long pity party [...] Not that these guys had any reason to feel sorry for themselves. They didn't have cancer, they hadn't had a leg amputated or a tumor removed or a heart broken without the prospect of it ever being fixed. Augustus had, and that's why he was different.
He actually unconsciously promotes mediocrity and shallowness of the scene he's part of, while thinking he makes some sense to adults. Some people never grow up. The fact that a grown man, A WRITER, can enjoy Twilight unironically tells you something. I bet he takes himself super seriously and brags about his books and like, rents a house or an apartment in Paris or Rome looking for some divine inspiration as if he's Keats or Joyce and tries hard to befriend writers and poets but comes off as corny and worthless to all of them which in turns drives him to create a disdain for poor artists and real literature.
>>7663831 What is Green (through Hazel, since none of Green's protagonist would express a view he disagreed with) trying to say here? That unless you have an external tragedy in your life you can't feel real, according to Green, self-hatred and self-pity?
>>7660733 Really it's just low quality trash. There is nothing insanely bad about it.
What is bad is his attitude towards his own writing, which is independent of the writing itself. Stephen King writes much better than John Green, with much less pretension as well. And what's funny is that even though I'm reading nothing but literary fiction now, I still enjoyed the times I spent reading Stephen King, and would like to one day finish reading everything he's written. I would even recommend King to someone who wanted to learn how to describe small New England towns, however limited that would be. I would not recommend John Green to anyone for any reason.
>>7664525 My work colleague, who sits next to me, speaks EXACTLY like this guy and watches the Green Brothers on one of his monitors every lunchtime. I called Benedict Cumberbatch a "cuck" recently and he hasn't spoken to me much since.
Oh okay, you're right. After reading the rest of the comments in this thread, I've decided to take the bandwagon effect as syllogism. His writing is actually shit, my mistake. Popular consensus has showed me the error in my ways.
Would it also be possible for you to delineate the types of personalities my favorite authors shouldn't have - so that I can more accurately decide the quality of their writing?
>>7664506 But m80, Twilight is shit. You clearly haven't read it. The writing is piss poor, and poorly edited to boot. The characters lack depth, and somehow she doesn't even flesh out the main characters to any meaningful degree even though she had thousands of pages to do so. You're either being and edgelord or you are dumb enough to be a John Green fan. Anyone with taste knows their shit. And before you accuse me of being a Harry Potter fan, I'm not.
>>7664632 >>7664636 So basically the reasons are /pol/-tier shit. I get you don't have to be pol to hold those beliefs, but doesn't make him a cuck. The education stuff is the most /lit/ lifestyle there is, and most writers /lit/ considers good lived lifestyles like that.
>>7664660 Take your passive-aggressive cunt behavior somewhere else. Either defend your point like a normal human being; don't, knowing that it wouldn't matter anyways; or fuck right off, you condescending, arrogant piece of shit.
I'm most disappointed that he's actually well educated in the Humanities yet writes such drivel. He's well-read and I've heard him make some great insightful comments on Ulysses for example. But he hero-worships DFW more than nearly anyone else, and seems to sincerely believe ridiculous things like writing YA is following in DFW's footsteps, it's needless pretension to try to write prose at a certain level, etc. Just goes to show that a good education on paper won't make you a good writer or able to objectively critique your own work.
But he's a multi-millionaire internet and book star, so he can do whatever stupid shit he wants I guess.
>>7665369 I reckon he could be a better writer if he challenged himself and actually tried to write a meaningful novel, but he took the easy root of making YouTube videos and writing YA because that's where the money is. Can't say I blame him.
>>7665401 Except he never said that, read it again. He would never say anything of the sort, because he is one of the main beneficiaries of people's shite taste. How is he gonna make a living writing YA novels and then come out advocating for complex works of art? He'd be pissing all over his own corn-fla—I mean, cheerios.
I've read two of his novels, LfA and FioS. He is no DFW, first of all. Pale King is better than anything he's written. He's not terrible and his books are geared towards YA readers, and he will forever stay there.
>>7665423 I'm not agreeing with Green's point but the first anon. The first anon said that those who criticize that book often have shite themselves which I find to be true. Green is an idiot and none of his points make sense, especially blaming mysogyny for not liking that crap book.
>>7665408 I mean, his first real attempt at a novel was solidly YA. It was decently successful but he could have tried to branch out, it's not like Rowling where it blew up and she just had to write 4 books to be a millionaire in a few years. It's not just that he doesn't challenge himself, it's that he firmly believes that he's doing meaningful work, or the best he could. Maybe it is the best he could but it's still shit.
>>7665573 Yes. He let his wife ride the cock carousel for a few years before settling down with him when he became rich. He also thinks casual sex is like eating cereal or something. 20 dicks in his Cheerios before he eats them?
>>7665907 He's thinking that the world operates in vacuum. That women can engage in riding the CC without any repercussions.
He's ignoring the:
>emotional damage that comes from countless emotionless sexual encounters >dampening of sexual significance >possibility of sexual diseases >the reputation of being "easy" >the erosion of pair-bonding >the fact that women can get alpha widowed
Plus if she fucked like 90 dudes and none of them cared to stick around and commit to her...clearly something is wrong with her.
>>7663810 To address your post, it is *valid* but is that the goal? Adolescence is just an age-- he could have constructed a character with better eloquence and articulated the inner-world of the teenager with better poise and complexity, even if it is in first-person.
>>7666190 As other people have said, it doesn't really sound like a teenager, it sounds like a 40 year old pretending to be a teenager. If you want to write a teenager in first person, look to Catcher in the Rye.
>>7669979 He's very adamantly against "slut shaming" comparing sex to eating breakfast cereal in that it shouldn't matter how many other people have eaten cereal when you eat it. He was a self admitted beta orbiter to his wife throughout highschool and college and she only started dating him after he got famous.
I remember opening up Paper Towns in a drugstore to see if John Green was as bad as the memes declare. Being sold in a drug store, I was suspicious right away, but I gave Paper Towns a chance which, as it turns out, it did not deserve. I read about 3 pages, standing there, in the span of a minute or two because the prose is so desperately vapid, and I am the first to admit I am normally a slow reader. The text was mostly dialogue, poorly written dialogue at that, about a collection of black santa dolls with undertones of racial morality and "social justice". The grasping nature of the author for depth and relevance was overtly apparent and, in a state of revulsion, I shut the book. I did potential readers the favour of hiding it behind some 50th rate thriller by the overrated Steven King and stood there stupefied...mortified by the fact that not only do authors feel compelled to write this drivel, or worse that publishers actively seek out such writers, but it gets published, printed, and sold in staggering numbers. Hiding one copy of this terrible novel behind another book would accomplish nothing. The literary world is clearly in a state of rigor mortis, propped up by publishers that wave it's dead arms about to attract readers.
>>7666005 He was friends with her in Chicago in 2003 and they became engaged in 2005, a month after his first book was published. >When Green was twenty-six, he met Sarah Urist, who was managing an art gallery in Chicago. She had been three years behind him at Indian Springs, and they became reacquainted through the woman Green was then dating—Sarah’s sparring partner at a boxing gym. After Green and the girlfriend broke up, he and Sarah started a friendship with a large epistolary component. “We e-mailed back and forth for a year and talked about everything,” Green said. “It was one of the most invigorating conversations I can remember having.” >Green (whose last name was then Urist) met John Green when they both attended the same preparatory school in Indian Springs, Alabama. They became reacquainted eight years later in Chicago, when Green began dating Urist's boxing partner; after they broke up, he became friends with Urist. Urist became engaged to Green on April 22, 2005, and the two married on May 21, 2006. They have two children: Henry and Alice. In his videos, John Green often refers to his wife as the "yeti", because she was talked about frequently in his videos but, by her own request, was not shown on camera during them.
>>7665435 LfA wasn't really that bad; well-written for the most part, with semi-relatable characters. Top-tier YA tbqh (I know its an oxymoron). On the other hand, TFIOS was possibly the single worst book I'v ever read.
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