>>7651643 Identity politics, a desire to keep the US out of their "culture" when they're already swimming in American movies and listening to American music, conservative critics on one side and a younger generation that only reads homegrown versions of the fault in our stars.
No translations. And even if they are translations people just didn't care about stuff like Pynchon so for example there was only one edition of translated Gravity's Rainbow in Poland which is now very expensive (like 100$ for beat up book)
>>7651890 >The only one that I would say is completely ignored is DFW. I saw some literary students study Infinite Jest at the University of Copenhagen. May have been picked by them and not the teacher though.
>>7651890 >The only one that I would say is completely ignored is DFW. There was a huuuuuuuuuuuuge campaign when Infinite Jest came out in German, and it was #1 on German best-seller lists for *months*
As others said, most of people read English books in translation and reading those guys in translation is not very rewarding. That being said, Pynchon is translated into Serbian and he's known to some extent. Delillo is somewhat popular. DFW's three short story collection are translated, but not so popular. McElroy, Gass, Vollman and Gaddis are sometimes not in print even in US, so their lack of popularity in Europe is not surprising
here in serbia even the real popular american writers like steinbeck, harper lee, austen etc aren't covered in highschool. we covered loads of russian authors however, from dosto to tolstoy to sholokhov to bulgakov to gogol, etc.
>>7654061 not that anon but did you actually think these were normally studied outside of the US, or are you reacting to them being called popular? I've heard of them so I'd say they are indeed popular all over, but I was never asked to read a single american book at school.
>>7655259 It had that written on the back. But honestly,it's just your fucking hype that made me buy it. Teacher: Have you bought any interesting books recently? Me: I bought Gravity's Rainbow by Thomas Pynchon. (smiles)Teacher: Great! I have never heard of it! Me: Haha!oh fug
and quiet flows the don, dead souls. can't remember which bulgakov. all required. not kidding. we did mostly our yugoslav stuff, loads of russian stuff, and some stuff from the rest of europe. no american authors whatsoever.
>>7655259 >>7655313 Really? I came to this board because of the love it gives to Pynchon (among other authors like him). My college had one of the most notable scholars on Pynchon and my friends (and sister) all love his early work.
I tried like 5 different forums and got sick of the taste in modern lit. I use the travel board on this website alot and clicked over to see what the general taste was.
Pynchon is not a /lit/-exclusive author by any means; I think Stirner and that book Stoner are much more exclusive to this board's taste. I didn't major in English and didn't take many lit classes but I'd guess he's pretty popular amongst academics in the US, or academics specializing in post-war american lit.
>>7655372 I am not a big "knower" of literature. I just try to accumulate knowledge,to look smart. Maybe if I can use words the common man doesn't understand,I can be win debates and arguments without effort.
My impression is that Europeans pay more attention to contemporary literature from outside of their country than Americans do. If you branched out a bit, perhaps these books would no longer seem so significant to you.
>>7651643 Because they lack the essential element to great literature- universality. None of these books are as moving as your run of the mill Russian realism novel or popular south American authors like Borges or Marquez or for American authors Dick (he's been popular since the 80s here) or Poe and Hemingway.
Americans sometimes seem to assume that the American perspective is the default, universal perspective, but really your literature to an outsider seems just as provincial and quaint as would a random European book to you. Of course that doesn't necessarily mean it's not good or great, just that it doesn't carry the same significance for us as for you. A good book from one's own country will always trump a good book from another country. I can't imagine many Europeans being willing to read Vollmann's "Seven Dreams" series to completion, for example, unless they were really, really into American history. It may be well written, but it's ultimately like 5,000 pages of stuff that has no real pertinence to our lives. I enjoyed Mason & Dixon, but it didn't have nearly as much of an impact on me as the more cosmopolitan Gravity's Rainbow.
There are occasional exceptions in the cases of true, transcendental geniuses. Melville is the one American author I've read so far who would fall into that category. He makes Americanism universal.
>>7656677 What a load of nonsense, style is substance and only one who's easily seduced by cheap nonsense "social commentary" will prefer his own country's literature, or even judge by country instead of author.
>>7656819 >so its substance When it comes to certain types of literature, style is worth. If you cannot appreciate the style of a prose poem, you cannot appreciate its worth. I can see how your criteria might apply to the novels of Austen or Tolstoy or Dickens, for the aesthetic content of their works is usually distributed between characters, ideas, and prose-poetry. But in something like Ulysses or Moby-Dick the weight of the "substance" favors the poetical aspects of the work. This, I think, is why the French tend to butcher Ulysses in their criticism.
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