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Futuristic Military Fiction

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>What are you currently reading
>What is your favorite futuristic military fiction
>Which author writes the best futuristic military fiction

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>>7651355
What is some good japanese scifi? tried reading all you need is kill and my god it was awful.
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>>7651355
>What are you currently reading
Titus Groan & Ficciones for fiction
>What is your favorite futuristic military fiction
I really liked Horus Heresy but I stopped reading it a while back, probably should return to it.
>Which author writes the best futuristic military fiction
I dont know, Dan Abnett is cool. I'm down for any other reccomendations
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>>7651367
I hear Genocidal Organ is really good, shame the anime movie is all held up. It looked really promising.
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course.

The only good book I've read is Kushiel's dart, but every book in the trilogy was the same and the relationships were absolutely retarded. Literally the only one that made sense was the abusive relationship with the antagonist.
Beyond that there's some okay smut and then a bunch of hero fantasy with female leads that are only about romance because the author couldn't think through a proper plot.

>>7651367
Chromed shelled regios. In book 22 it is revealed that the series is scifi. The mech cities should have tipped me off. As an exclusively fantasy reader I was livid.

>What are you currently reading
I just finished Master of Crows 2. It was shockingly shallow, and really fucking short. I only read it on the train and it was done in two days.
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>>7651388 (You)
Fuck, some of that got lost when moving to the new thread. It went ...

Has anyone read any good romance fantasy? ignoring urban fantasy of course.
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>>7651388
>In book 22
you what
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Altered Carbon got picked up by Netflix, how fucked will it be? One of the staff involved wrote Terminator Genysis
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>>7651409
It's a light novel series. I did mean twenty two, hence the lividness. Though the reveal might have been slightly earlier.
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>>7651411
did netflix produce something bad?
btw the currently airing scifi series, The Expanse, is great.
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anyone here ever read the Virga series by Karl Schroeder?
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>What are you currently reading
just finished The Water Knife
It was enjoyable but not as good as The Wind Up Girl. I'd say it was kind of disappointing but not terribly so. It has some light futuristic military fiction stuff in it with private armies and secret agents controlling water access to states and the like.

I'm looking for a new book to read. Anyone have recommendations for some really cool shit? Mind bending, interesting worlds, or oh-fuck moments etc

Last book that made me go 'oh fuck' was Blindsight
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Just read The Star by Arthur C Clarke and I really liked it. Are there any other short stores in comparison?
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Thoughts?
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>>7651527
The Last Question
All you zombies

>>7651498
Only fantasy book that made me go 'oh fuck' with twists was Mistborn. If you can stomach the terrible prose in Blindsight, you should be able to get by Sanderson's relatively workmanlike writing.
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>>7651420
>the expanse is great

Srsly? I've been watching it, it's one of the weaker Sci-fi shows I've seen (besides graphics). Storyline is p standard, characters aren't great...
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>>7651498
Book of the New Sun
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>>7651367
Legend of the Galactic Heroes.
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>>7651707
whats great then?
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>>7651355
Ender Saga and Bean saga are god-tier scifi series.
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>>7651707
I haven't seen anything better.
And the story is much better than the stargate type story you usually see.
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Peter F. Hamilton's books are GOAT tier for their military, especially Commonwealth Saga and Nights Dawn trilogy.
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>>7651679
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>>7651762
>>7651831
Sci-fi shows? Firefly, star trek tng, utopia, sense8, bsg. Want more?
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>>7651679
Writes the most embarrassing goodreads reviews

Exhibit A: https://www.goodreads.com/review/show/99607064?book_show_action=true
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>>7652009
>https://www.goodreads.com/review/show/99607064?book_show_action=true
lies of locke lamora is so boring. locke has no motivation to steal till the half
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>>7652009
>that goodreads bio
>all that manga

He really is a neckbeard
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>>7651411
>>7651420
Did anyone watch Lev Grossman's Magician series on Syfy?

It's set for one season(might be more if it works out), the episodes appear to have sex in them...

I can't watch for Julia 's divine moment(kek) and for Quinton to smash that uppity smart girl(forgot her name), she kinda looks like Dakota Fanning, and I wanna wack one when I see her.... maybe it's the vulnerable nerd thing she got going on .
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>>7652017
Didn't his novel make it incredibly obvious?
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Most of the science fiction I've enjoyed was Stanislaw Lem or the Strugatzki with some Alice B Sheldon, Joe Haldeman and Walter M Miller.
I'm kind of interested in something in a similar vein but more contemporary. Never really got into anything about cyber space, internet and hackers though.
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>>7652020
Oh yeah that one is great. Watching that, expanse and I claudius atm. Magicians I rly like, fuck the expanse tho
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>>7651714
Blame it on the alcohol?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rfjtpp90lu8
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>>7652003
>sense8
Another fantastic netflix series
Story was crap though
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>>7652009
>goodreads reviews
>great novel, 5 stars
It is so over the top bad that goodreads is actually useless as a recommendation platform
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>>7651679

Books: Good
Writer: cry baby and ego issues
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>>7651355
Got 3 military fiction writers(quality may vary), you guys can add on to it.
> Myke Cole
What OP pic is based on, the secondary characters are more interesting than the main character

B.V Larson
Bunch of fucked up shit, from cloning to human memory dumps

Neal Asher
Agent Cormac is the best
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Help me decide, Malazan or Amber Chronicles first?
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>>7652082
Amber by a long shot
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>>7651679
Even if you do like his books, you have to admit he's a tool. All this is from his bio:

>In high-school Pat was something of a class clown. His hobbies included reading a novel or two a day and giving relationship advice to all of his female friends despite the fact that he had never so much as kissed a girl. He also role-played and wrote terrible stories about elves. He was pretty much a geek.

>Pat studied anthropology, philosophy, eastern religions, history, alchemy, parapsychology, literature, and writing. He studied six different martial arts, practiced improv comedy, learned how to pick locks, and became a skilled lover of women.

>Pat teaches half-time at his old school as an assistant-sub-lecturer. He is underpaid but generally left alone to do as he sees fit with his classes. He is advisor for the college feminists, the fencing club, and, oddly enough, a sorority. He still roll-plays occasionally, but now he does it in an extremely sophisticated, debonair way.
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>>7652119
>His hobbies included ... giving relationship advice to all of his female friends despite the fact that he had never so much as kissed a girl.
>He is advisor for the college feminists ... and, oddly enough, a sorority.
Is he secretly gay or something? That sounds like hag fag behavior.
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>>7652046
>>7652119
Jesus, what a faggot
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>>7652009
You have to love the fact that he's reviewing another man's book and he manages to make the review about himself and his book.
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>>7651355
Any good straight mecha novels? I want to read about giant robots fighting each other; preferrably not the slow and stompy '80s western ones
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>>7652119
>learned how to pick locks, and became a skilled lover of women.
The two being related, I can only assume.
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>>7651355
not literature
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>>7652119
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>>7652167
>>>/lit/
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>>7652165
you cheeky cunt
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>>7651355
>What is your favorite futuristic military fiction

I usually avoid military sci-fi books, but from those I've read, The Lost Fleet series is one of those that is hard to forget. Written by Jack Campbell who served in the navy, and it really shows in his books. Applying naval concepts to space ships is pretty neat.
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>>7651367
紫色のクオリア
イリヤの空、UFOの夏
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>>7652119

is that meant to be real? That sounds too much like satire.
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>>7652119
No wonder Kvothe is such a self-insert. Half of these 'skills' sound so abundantly fabricated.
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>>7652165
>The two being related, I can only assume.
Of course, you can't get to the wet walls if the chastity belt is still locked.
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>>7652167
If you can discuss Hitler and Trump, we can discuss fiction(although our shit is actually 100% related, where as those 2 are /pol/)
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>Urban Fantasy scratches an itch I didn't realize I had
>90% is all chicklit written by landwhales

I'm gonna go through this list https://www.goodreads.com/list/show/26494.Best_Urban_Fantasy_SERIES, and hope I come out okay.
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>>7652450
>two male authors in top 10
Good luck
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>>7652082
Amber is fantastic
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STARSHIP TROOPERS
FOREVER WAR
ARMOR
OLD MAN'S WAR
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>people say the end of Hyperion could never be adapted to film/tv and the ending is really bad
>start reading, could easily be made into a series, so the ending couldn't be that ba-
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3K2vidqrUc

The fuk.

I was so put off I didn't read 'The Fall...' for a long time. Which in turn made it shittier since they're so tied together. Thankfully he had those constant handouts and breadcrumbs reminding you about every single reappearing character/concept but they felt kind of shitty.

When he pulled the 'Somewhere Over the Rainbow' near the end, and being on an e-reader not being able to see how much was left, thought he did it again to say 'fuck you'.
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>>7652624
Fuck you I liked the ending
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Is The Fifth Season by N.K Jemisin any good?
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>>7652624
Don't read the next duology unless you're attempting to convert anger into energy.
NANOMACHINES, SON
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>>7652450

Have you read The Rook? It's my favorite UF work in years, and offers something quite different from the standard leather-wearing, motorcycle - riding Strong Female Character and werewolf love interest harem. There's also a sequel coming this summer and, bizarrely enough, a TV series soon as well.

Also, I'd be remiss if I failed to mention the Felix Castor series. Criminally underexposed within the genre, and written quite a bit better than most UF fare.
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>>7651355
>>What are you currently reading

Finishing The Darkness that Comes Before

>>What is your favorite futuristic military fiction

Vorkosigan series by Lois McMaster Bujold
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>>7651355

>What are you currently reading
Kundera, but will maybe go back to the Short Sun after I finish it. Idk, reading on a screen is terrible, but no other way.
>What is your favorite futuristic military fiction
I mean I only read Horus Heresy shit so I guess Aron Dembeski Bowen
>Which author writes the best futuristic military fiction
I have absolutely no idea.
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>>7652450
try dresden files
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>>7652429
>he can't fuck a girl through a keyhole
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>>7651498
Have you read Ship Breaker? It's another Paolo Bag Man, same dystopian post-peak oil kind of universe, somehow becomes this really fun pirate story.
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>>7652199
>The Lost Fleet
That was some good stuff. Very spare writing, very focused. Didn't read the other series though.
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Mistborn: Y/N?
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>>7653898
>responding to shitposting

>>7653966
"10/10 it's alright"
-IGN
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>>7653966
6/10. It's good and fun.

>well developed magic system, but he's really awkward when it comes to presenting it (feels like a videogame tutorial)
>a few good characters, though most of them end up being kind of shallow. dude's terrible when he tries to make a character sound witty. seriously fuck elend and his shit-tier banter.
>setting's alright I guess? just don't expect his worldbuilding to be Tolkien-like

Sanderson is all about interesting concepts but not-so-good execution. I'd say give it a try. It's enjoyable if you don't go with high expectations.
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>>7652450
Dresden Files
Felix Castor
Kim Harrison's the hallows
Jane Yellowrock
Anita Blake(read up to obsidian butterfly)
Alex Verus
Night watch by Sergei L
Iron druid chronicles
Joe pitt casebooks
Let the right one in
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>>7652942
If you read Jemisin before you know she writes some fucked up shit.

Give the first book a try and see if you like it
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>>7654207
>new novella
>first thing Elend does when he dies and sees Kelsier is try to be witty
>Kelsier insults his clothing
>later, Elend uses Kelsier's own words against him
Fuck Elend. What a terrible character.
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>>7653889
What pissed me off was the chinese got away, he should have been strung up by his balls.

Also
>tfw no thai ladyboy to breed
Why live?
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>>7654279
Do you think Lady Harm is a freak in bed?
She seems like the type that would ride your dick sore.

Why did Sanderson have to be such a prude.

I could imagine Wax stumbling upon the mistborn breeding pens, seeing all those delicious women spread eagle, and men grunting on top like fat little piggies.
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>>7654540
I laughed.

I don't think Wax would be too concerned. He's gotta Steris who is a literal autist and would research the ways of maximizing pleasure for both her and him. Plus who knows if Mistborn are being literally bred now.
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>>7654598
Only like a 8th through the book, and it seems like Sanderson has a hardon for civil wars something fierce.

I think he used to do reenactments when he was a child.
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>>7653966
I'd say Yes.
It's about a heist in a preindustrial magical London.
Only it't not a heist, it's not preindustrial, it's not magic and it's not in London, but the main idea is pretty good.
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>>7651367
Vampire Hunter D
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>>7654625
How do you figure that? Scadrial is the only planet where a civil war has been foreshadowed, and even theorized. Sure, something may happen on Roshar but they're all distracted by Odium currently.
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My favorite science fiction novel of all time is Starship Troopers
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>>7654691
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>>7654775
I'M FROM BUENOS AIRES AND I SAY KILL 'EM ALL
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So i'm near the end of way of kings and I have to ask, does shalan become less of an annoying cunt in the next book?
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>>7654875
Yeah, she gets kidnapped by pirates or something.
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>>7654875
She deflates her head slightly. Wheel of Time's women are a definite influence on her.
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>>7654875
Yeah she actually becomes interesting during the ending in tWoK because of circumstance and then she's mostly tolerable throughout WoR. Sanderson writes most of the his female leads the exact same fucking way.
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>>7654598
>autistic Steris and awkward Wax hopelessly out of their depth at the party
Too cute for words.
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>>7654968
>waiting for Wax to drop that first cocky noble
>waiting
>waiting
>nothing

Ending reminded me of Warbreaker a little bit.
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>I will never hold a tiny hand of a dying Johnny on the Old Earth
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>>7652624
The ending of the Fall was one of the cases where the leap over the rainbow was done amazingly. Although I disagree it couldn't be made. Avatar was made, this isn't much different.
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>>7651355
>What are you currently reading
The Two Swords by R.A. Salvatore
All that Drizzt stuff really isn't that bad, what pisses me personally off is just the fact that he goes into every little detail while describing fighting scenes, I really just fly over them, the words register but the meaning eludes me.
Also I was surprised how he handled all the Orc invasion stuff, I usually HATE Orc invasion tropes but this one is done well.

>What is your favorite futuristic military fiction
Battletech I guess or Warhammer 40K, but not the ground combat stuff but ship combat.

>Which author writes the best futuristic military fiction
From what I've read myself, Graham McNeil I think.
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>>7653117
>and, bizarrely enough, a TV series soon as well.

are you really this surprised? the entertainment industry is literally scraping the bottom of the barrel nowadays, what with all the rehashes of old movies and series. everything that sounds just a tiny bit exciting is getting optioned for a series or movie.
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>>7651355
>What are you currently reading
Night of Villjamur by Mark Charan Newton

>>7651411
Mite be good. Depends who they cast as Kovacs and if they whitewash him.

>>7652450
Try The Last Werewolf by Glen Duncan. Comes under horror in book stores but so does most urban fantasy.
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>>7654625
>and it seems like Sanderson has a hardon for civil wars
I think military strategy is Sanderson's biggest weakness. I actually dropped Mistborn 3 for a couple of years because of it. Stormlight archive was just bearable with its single king of the hill rush tactic.
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>>7651713
Seconded
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>>7651355
1. Lords and Ladies by Terry Pratchett.
2 & 3. Never read any.
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>>7653231
Dresden files is so fucking good. Especially after fourth book.
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>>7651679
The stories are okay but the writing quality is poor.
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>>7655200
Tell me the truth, from the sister's personality at the start, she is helping suit isn't she?

Spoiler it if you have to.
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>>7656006
if you're sure you want to be spoiled

you've almost got it, suit is helping her
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>>7651679
Kingkiller: ranges from good to mediocre to downright confusingly bad (seriously, I get that he's poor and that tuition is expensive, but fucks sake, I don't need twenty chapters telling me that).
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Is there a market for comfy fantasy SOL? As in, no plot, characters simply living day-to-day lives, exploring the setting. I wouldn't even know where to begin publishing it.
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>>7656283
Middle-grade or romance, maybe. I know I'm interested, you've got a market with me at least.
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>>7656006
Telsin, correct? She actually outranks Suit. Also fun Cosmeric shit going on with The Set.
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>>7656283
Nobody will publish it, because publishers only care about what they think readers want, and readers only want epic Tolkien pastiches.
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>>7656283
you have to self-publish or make that a website/regular webisode first
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>>7656903
This. Put it on Amazon, make a blog about it, shill it on Reddit. A lot of publishers don't care if it's been self-published before. Just make sure you get someone to look at it first.

Like me. I'd like that very much.
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>>7655276

I was a bit surprised because it's a first novel that wasn't wildly acclaimed or even a blip on the mainstream consciousness, and because the series actually seems to be happening, not just that the option was purchased.
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>>7656572
>>7656224
It sucks being NEET, I just came home from work and I'm continuing from when they discovered the crashed ship was I mistaken? Did they say it was made of wood? What spaceship is made of wood?

When I was NEET I would have finished this in 3 days max.... probably gonna take me at LEAST a week with my current wage slave obligations.
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>>7651367
Parasite eve
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A friend of mine recommended me the shannara series, he only saw the shitty tv promo for it but he claims the elvestones book is much better. I never heard about the books are they any good?
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>>7658033
>it sucks being NEET
>I just came home from work
wat

>taking three days to read a Mistborn book
wat

It's not a spaceship.
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>>7658702
It sucks not being NEET.

For some reason words that are in mynhead doesn't come out when I use my tablet.
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>>7658430
No, they contain a lot of passive exposition for no reason. If you're desperate for good fantasy, the OP has a lot better recs.
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>>7658430
PEW PEW PEW PEW PEW
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>>7658430
Fuck no

Shannara is absolutely generic stock fantasy

It's not literal trash or anything but the books are extremely formulaic
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>>7658804
>Shannara is absolutely generic stock fantasy

I never liked Terry Brooks, I always associated the name with exactly that
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>>7658804
Hilarious because the guy started them to show how he could write LotR but better.
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>>7658430
Shannara is literally post-apocalyptic North American after it was taken over and destroyed by demons.
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Does anyone here aspire to write something? Is there a place on /lit/ for writing discussion and shit?
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>>7659219
I think these threads are safe enough to talk about writing scifi/fantasy, I never saw anyone against it
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>>7659225
I guess to get the ball rolling in that line.

What sort of things do you guys write, Sci/Fi? Fantasy?
What would you say are you primary influences in terms of style, and what you want to accomplish with your writing?
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>>7659311

One author I'd really like to imitate is Jim Butcher

He has a way of endlessly stacking complications and raising the stakes throughout his books such that by the end of the story, Dresden is caught in a four way crossfire between vampires, werewolves, demons, and zombies, with a broken leg, the cold, and a cat he must protect as he climbs across the rooftops of a moving train, where he must jump into a helicopter and fly to mount doom before the sun rises or the world ends
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>>7659311
I like writing sword and sorcery stories and soft sci-fi space operas. I hope to become published in either of these eventually
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>>7659339
lol sounds pretty fun, maybe I should give him a read sometime.

My biggest influence is probably Gene Wolfe, I really enjoy his dense, deliberate style and how he can pack so much into his text that each re-read yields a new level of detail and insight. There's also Mervyn Peake for his rich descriptions and amazing characterization.

On the flipside there's nonfantasy authors like Bruno Schulz, Borges and John Hawke, whose prose styles tend toward the more symbolic/episodic with very dreamlike qualities. Another favorite with those qualities is Sadegh Hedayat.

What I hope to accomplish is really just telling a good story or series of stories that the reader can return to again and again with deepening enjoyment. Drawing on the qualities described from all those authors.
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>>7653007
why are there buildings in those pies
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>>7652167
lol this faggot always shows up in this thread
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>>7659454
he's like that guy who thinks it's funny as fuck to mention his e-reader in a bookshelf thread. literally the vegans of literature
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What are some books similar to Book of the New Sun? Should I just explore the Dying Earth genre in general?
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>>7659636
In Search of Lost Time, The Man was Thursday, Dying Earth, Bible, Everlasting Man and Aquinas for philosophical backdrop, Fafhrd and the Grey Mouser, Fictions.
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>>7659641

Cheers, anon.
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>>7658430
Rule of thumb when reading fantasy, if there is the word Terry, located anywhere in the Author's name, don't read.
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>>7659688
But anon, what about Terry Pratchett?
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>>7653007
Fucking Sanderson I want my stormlight now.
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>>7659694
Did I say there is an exception?
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I just finished The Windup Girl, wonderful characters and a really satisfying ending.
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>>7659731
Not to me, I wanted Karma for the yellowcard cunt.
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>>7659743
I think yellow card did nothing wrong. The old man just wanted to survive, and once his survival was assured, he wanted to thrive. He was a cunning man, he used every tool at his disposal and he knew how quickly shit hits the fan. Also his Karma bound him to be forever fleeing, and in the end he developed trust in the little girl that helped him.
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>>7659161
This song is so relevant for the last few chapters of bands of mourning
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>>7659977
I wanted him to die in excruciating pain, if he got the fucking shipment when whitey told him to, a lot of things could have gone different.

Anyways I'm glad for the wind up....
>tfw no qt japanese begging me please please when I slowly put my dick inside her

Why live?
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Hi everyone,

I have a question regarding the Mistborn series: Is it some steampunk bullshit?


I've just started reading The Emperor's Blades and I love it, before that I finished some William Gibson and all of Miles Cameron's work. For me, it's got to be either Cyberpunk (Gibson) or Fantasy (Cameron, Gemmell, Lynch etc).

Since I feel that I'm running out of good fantasy literature, I browsed amazon for a bit and found out about Sanderson. After reading a few pages of the first Mistborn girl, I found out that I liked it quite a bit because so far, everything looks like a fantasy setting.

Should I get this book or will I be negatively surprised once the steampunk bullshit kicks in and completely ruins the atmosphere?

Pleas tell me there isn't any steampunk retardation in that book ;_;
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>>7660106
It's most definitely fantasy. I can't even think of a single aspect of it that is steampunk that I remember.
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>>7660106
It's fantasy and to be honest, the best I've read in a while. Sanderson has truly redefined the genre.
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>>7660106
Not till Alloy of Law, but it'll go full space opera someday if the author doesn't die. The Stormlight Archives books are full fantasy, and much better, by the same author.
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>>7659311
i'm working on a fantasy novel based on norse myths.
my biggest stylistic influence for this book is roger zelazny. i love his prose.
i'm going to do my best to get it published.

i have an idea for a science fiction book, and urban fantasy (or it might be more magical realist)
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>>7651411
Better have hardcore sex use porn doubles.
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>When this general began everybody had great taste in classic SF/F
>Now it's being taken over by redditors who like Sanderson

Time to commit sudoku.
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>>7660401
it is just a bit annoying, true
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>>7660401
Yup /tgva/ plebs have ran over these threads. I hate that weeh tell me why WoT is shit weeh guy
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>>7660450
>/tgva/
What's that?
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>>7660469
/Tg/
/v/
/a/
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>>7660474
I think the biggest problem are people from /tg/.
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>>7660480
Probably.
Worst board for discussion of literature because they truly believe Wheel of Time and Sanderson are good because they world build.
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>>7660401
I would talk about Wolfe, Asimov, even Adam Roberts with you all day. I talk about Sanderson because other people talk about Sanderson.
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>>7660488
>implying good world-building isn't part of good literature
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>>7660509
It isn't since the world is already built in most of literature.
But also it's meaningless on its own and those novels really don't offer anything more than a wiki article.
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>>7660509
It should be lower on the list, with prose, characterization, themes, and plot well above it.
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>>7659433
Those are little 'craters' (no clue how to better explain it) and each one has a small warcamp.

>>7659702
Next year. I want my end of Mistborn Era 2 now.

>>7660001
SURVIVE

>>7660106
No. Speaking of punk, we miiiiight get a cyberpunk series between Era 3 and 4.
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>>7660517
>those novels really don't offer anything more than a wiki article.
Really? There isn't an awkward yet painfully honest conversation about the problem of evil going on in Mistborn 1.5 right now? My eyes must have deceived me, I must have passed out and made something up.
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>>7660488
At least they haven't turned these threads into a place to discuss shitty Forgotten Realms and 40k tie-ins.
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>>7660509
>'good' worldbuilding in fantasy

Well you see in my setting the orcs are an honorable warrior race, and the elves are, um, allied with dryads against the dwarves because the dwarves cut down too many trees, and the main bad guy is going to kill all of the gods and magic and it turns out that the world is just Earth really far in the past...
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>>7660538
Literally every /tg/ worldbuilding thread ever.
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>>7660509
When it lacks on characterization, prose, and plot in favor of an extremely detailed and complex world, I feel shafted as a reader.

I made it to book 7 of WoT and couldn't bring myself to read further. I didn't see the point, I didn't care about any characters except Min, maybe Mat a little. The plots started out well but seem so contrived and predictable.

I'd rather Jordan sacrifice going on and on with descriptions of obscure customs having nothing to do with the plot or characters for making me want to know what happens next to the characters.
>>7660503
Then why not bring it up? Who keeps bringing up Sanderson? Just don't reply.

It is getting annoying because the past 2-3 threads have devolved into Sanderson threads.
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>>7660558
Because I like Sanderson too.
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>>7660558
He released a new book and novella last week, which is why that whole one other person, maybe two other people, and myself have discussed it. Otherwise, it's usually that one shitposter who is obsessed with me who shits the thread up. We can talk about other books and series but not much else is brought up.

God forbid two or three people want to discuss a new book release.
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>>7660562
Why? What does he do differently that you enjoy?

I tried Way of Kings and Mistborn didn't see the big deal. It wasn't bad, it just was not memorable. I want characters who are people, not archtypes with a rare trope thrown in here and there.

Maybe he and Jordan leave a bitter taste in my mouth with the way they write women, because most of their women are the same and I end up disliking them.
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Post shit that makes you put down any Sci-Fi or Fantasy

>Elves aren't described as sexy
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So are there any new releases actually worth looking forward to in 2016? Any releases from lesser known authors worth reading?
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>>7660548
/lit/ worldbuilding threads weren't any better, it was so fucking try hard.

>Well you see in my setting Elves are the guys going full industrial and chippin' down trees every where, dwarves are the mystical anarchist nature lovers and fucking spider nurses laying eggs in dying patients and there's absolutely no fucking stigma against that you fucking racist cisscum tory"
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>>7660526
>he talks about something
>it must be good
>mormons
>theology
A lot of implications my friend
>>7660527
I actualy prefer 40k because everyone a priori knows it's dumb and retarded and read just for fun so you won't have people saying Mistborn has insight into theology.
On the other hand to shift the conversation to good authors I started Short Sun a month ago but as I was reading it on my phone went on to read 12 other books. I will hopefully go back to it as I'll move to my granmas to study for 2 weeks and have my phone unlocked for 3 hours in the evening only.
I read about 50 pages (and by mistake 50 pages of the second novel as I was convinced Green Jungles was the first and may as well have been considering Wolfe and how it started). After the Long Sun I am really glad he is back to first person. I don't undersand how a person can be so good at first person and so mediocre in third person. In first person it becomes so much more intimate and impressionistic and the wonder of the world really feels closer to you as well as the problems. Talking about Inhumini and how they will come again and how he must go find weapons was so creepy.
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>>7660601
I've put the first book of Honor Harrington onto my tablet. I'm looking forward to science fiction military stories like that.
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>>7660106
Alloy of Law is set in a Victorian-like setting, with steam power, the first cars and skyscrapers and electricity as a very novel technology. And obviously the magic. No tophats with cogs though, if that's what you dislike about steampunk.
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>>7660523
Now THAT is a good looking map, who's the artist?
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>>7660570
I'm not sure how to feel about the Mistborn Secret History, since Alloy of Law I feel like there's way too much humour in the series and it sort of undermines the more serious scenes.
Other than that, I found it really interesting Who the hell are these people in the South? What is a shadow? Who is this Hoid character?
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>>7660686
http://www.isaacstewart.com/
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>>7660725
>http://www.isaacstewart.com/
I much prefer his Mistborn maps, they seem like he took much more care with them.
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>>7660718
I think humor is more obvious in Mistborn since it primarily focuses on a handful of characters instead of all over the place like in SA. But I agree. Brandon really can't write funny characters.

Southern Scadrians have existed since original Mistborn but we're just now learning about them in-story. They didn't really have Allomancy down there so their technology advanced differently.
What do you mean, shadow? A Cognitive Shadow?
You don't know about Hoid? O I am laffin. How far down the rabbit hole do you want to go?
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>>7660601
Last Days of New Paris looks mental, I don't know if that's a good thing or not but it'll be worth at least a once-over.

>Surrealism bomb!
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>>7660599
There's a Chosen One who fights a Dark Lord using a magic artifact. Bonus shitpoints for a revelation about the protagonists parents.
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>>7660718

Hoid appears in literally every single Cosmere novel. He's the informant Kelsier visits in tFA, the Terris leader in WoA, the informant Vin almost visits but decides not to in HoA, the man in black at the wedding in AoL, the coachman in SoS and the beggar outside the party in BoM.

He's also the Kings Wit in the Stormlight Archive, a storyteller in Warbreaker, and a beggar in Elantris.

Basically, he's an extremely long-lived (possibly immortal) person who can travel between the various planets in the Cosmere somehow. He's gathering bits of various magic systems (he's got a Lerasium bead form the Well of Ascension, amongst other things), interferes with important events for unclear reasons, and is generally playing his own game. We know he was there thousands of years in the past when the Shards were first created, but his endgame is unclear.
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>>7660798
I don't think he's immortal. Long-lived? Likely. Worldhopping involves 'time-travel' (basically, getting to where you want to go WHEN you need to be there) but we don't know the specifics yet.

>when the Shards were first created
He was at the Shattering, yes. Fun fact: Adonalsium was a 'he' and was killed.
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>>7660743
Wayne gave me some fantastic laughs at first (the walnut scene) but as the series progressed it just turned into Sanderson wondering what random shit he can make him do next.

The impression I got wasn't that they were Scadrians at all, assuming we're talking about the characters in the Secret History as opposed to the Malwish in BoM. It seems like they're of the same nature as those two people Kelsier meets around the camp fire.
And yes, how has Kelsier become one and why are there others who can interact with the Cosmere in the same way?
I only know of Hoid because I noticed on Sanderson's bibliography that he's getting his own book, and the scene in BoM with the coin. Without spoiling any other Cosmere books, what should I read to learn about him?
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>>7660812
Wayne is the best character he has written, in my opinion. He fully falls into the perspective and every Wayne chapter feels very natural, as if we really are inside Wayne's head. Which is surprising as he is so opposite of Brandon in many ways.

Who are you talking about then? When you say South, I don't know who else would fit besides the SOUTHern Scadrians. Unless you're talking about the people in the IRE? Those are Elantrians.
I forget the definition of Cognitive Shadows and their exact specifics. There's a coppermind article about it (Cosmere wiki) that you can read, and read the novella 'Shadows of Silence in the Forests of Hell' that deals with Cognitive Shadows on a non-invested Shardworld, Threnody.
Read all the Cosmere books. He's a worldhopper that is a recurring character, as that other anon explained. Obvious more going on than that but yeah.

I have to run an errand so if you have more questions, you'll have to wait like 45min or so.
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>>7660810
Well, obviously nothing is immortal. Worldhopping does involve time travel, but he's got some way of magically living longer than ordinary people.

>>7660812
Not sure about Scadrians.

Cognitive Shadows appear to be where people make a big enouhg impact on the thoughts and minds of their world that a part of them can remain in the world after they die - the two examples we have seem to be of Religious figures; Kelsier in Survivorism and the Stormfather in Vorinism.

Most of the stuff on Hoid comes from interviews with Sanderson, since little has been seen of Hoid himself. I don't know which ones would avoid spoilers. What I told you was generally all that we know about him, apart from a few things about his powers.
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>>7651355
Dan fucking Abnett
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>>7660838
That's it! The Ire! So I guess I should read Elantris for some background on them.
I found that part particularly interesting.
Thanks for the tips on the novella, I'll get hold of that when I get paid.
And great, do you have any recommendations on where I should go after Mistborn? I own most of the other books in the Cosmere from various Amazon Kindle deals.


No rush dude, I'm recovering from a small op so I can't move too much anyway.

>>7660858
Sorry I missed your post at first, just went back but didn't read it all in case of anything I might consider spoilery.
I'll definitely check out some interviews, thanks for the tips.
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I read The Magicians, it was entertaining (although I bit rushed) until the very last pages, which I disliked. I'm not even motivated to check the other books. Are they worth it?
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>>7660601
MOTHERFUCKING DINOSAUR KNIGHTS
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>>7660878
They're probably not in Elantris, unless I misremember. Sanderson is planning two Elantris sequels which will probably be more cosmere-involved.

I think the weird creature that encounters Suit at the end of BoM is a type of mythical ghost-thing from Elantris, but we don't really get much info on them (they fit the descriptions, though).

Warbreaker is a nice standalone, which apparently has a sequel Sanderson wants to write.

The Stormlight Archive is shaping up to be Sanderson's other major work. It's only got two books out at the moment, and as a bonus it has Hoid play a much more significant role - the final chapter in both books out so far is centred on him, though he shows up sporadically throughout.

One warning. While you can read them alone, reading Warbreaker before you rrad Words of Radiance will improve the book slightly - one character in WoR (and a few backgrounders) is from Warbreaker, and there's one scene in particular that will only really make sense (and will be a great twist) is you've read Warbreaker.

The other works are all novellas or unreleased. White Sand is coming out as a graphic novel, Shadows of Silence in the Forests of Hell and Sixth of the Dusk both take place on minor planets that aren't really connected to the rest of the Cosmere, and are of uncertain time frame. They're not Sanderson's best work though.

His best is probably The Emperor's Soul, another short work of fiction on Sel (where Elantris is set) around the same time frame but in a geographic location. It's quick to read and rather excellent.
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>>7661054
Well whether or not they are in it, I'm enjoying it so far. I'll read Warbreaker next too, and I've just received Words of Radiance for my birthday so my reading list for the next week or two is nice and planned out.
If I recall correctly, The Emperor's Soul is only £2 for the Kindle version and I just got a £2 promo credit for poor delivery so I'll grab that now.
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>>7660474
>>7660480
>>7660488

I'm from /tg/ and I never read WoT or Sanderson. I admit I have a fondness for Moorcock (Elric stuff primarily), but the authors I love best are Asimov, Strugatsky and Wolfe.

I posted only about Book of the New Sun and The Night Land thus far, along with asking about recommendations that are similar to the former of the two.
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>>7661089
Oops, not Words of Radiance, I have the first Stormlight book
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>>7661100
I liked the first Elric a lot and it was supremely entertaining, but it went downhill after it. Try Lankhmar, it's like it, but more classy.
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>>7661111
Wait wait wait, the fuck is this?! Why is this series all split up in this strange way?
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>>7660858
I'm sure Shardholders are immortal but they would probably be the only ones.

>>7660878
Yes. Elantris takes place on a major Shardworld, Sel, and is the earliest story released so far in the chronology. The novella is/was supposed to come with BoM but I'm not sure of the specifics. I could also be completely wrong and they were just released at the same time.
I want to read the new bits included in the Elantris 10th Anniversary re-release, mainly the Hoid scene, but that requires too much effort.
Read all the stuff released so far in pic related.

Also once you've read the first SA book--if you haven't--read the coppermind article on 'Adonalsium'. As long as you've read the first Mistborn trilogy and tWoK, you can read that.

>>7661054
>mythical ghost-thing from Elantris
Popular speculation seems to be that it is a Voidbringer. Black bodies, red eyes, so on.
Red as a color before/during major events is actually significant but we don't know if it can be seen that way through Harmony's example (the Red Haze) since we don't know if that was a literal viewing or merely a visual example. If the former, then Odium is probably up to something and trying to fuck with Scadrial.

>uncertain time frame
Sixth of the Dusk is the furthest in the chronology so far, sometime before 4th Era (future) Scadrial. Most people figure the Ones Above to be Scadrians as we were also told that we've seen the Ones Above already but won't find out who they are for around fifteen years.

>>7661135
I think only the paperback is split into different parts, or it's split like that in another country. I remember it being discussed on 17th Shard but I forget the reason why.
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>>7661089
Oh yeah.

Warbreaker is released for free on his website so if you don't actually own a physical copy, you can read it online. "The Hope of Elantris" (mentioned in the chart I posted) is also a free short story after Elantris itself (still has same characters; it's like another epilogue IIRC) and on his website.
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>>7661142
Ah that infographic is perfect, thank you!
Elantris is really enjoyable so far, it feels like what I've grown accustomed to from Sanderson, the second era of Mistborn feels different.

I've realised now that the paperbacks are split, seems like a silly way to do things but I guess some people dislike massive books.
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>>7661152
I remember now, I made an account on a website, Bookerly or something, to read Warbreaker but I'd much rather read it from his website. Thanks for the tips!
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>>7661155
Elantris was his first published novel so it's going to be very 'rough' and you'll notice a LOT of traits in the book that he has improved upon but still hasn't completely cleaned up yet.

I know WoR was the largest physical book that TOR has ever published so that's probably why WoR is split; I'd imagine it's the same reason tWoK is split too since it's massive.

>>7661162
The website has chapter annotations for many of his books too but focus on reading the books themselves first before you jump into the rabbit hole even more.
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>>7661167
Okay cool, I appreciate all these questions you've answered, I'm pretty excite to read more of Sanderson's work as I've been on such a fantasy hype recently.
Having my birthday a few days ago enabled me to bolster my collection, I got The Book of The New Sun, The Slow Regard of Silent Things (more out of curiosity than anything, I hate Rothfuss but I've enjoyed at least part of his books) and recently I also found the entire Wheel of Time series and almost all of the Malazan books in a charity shop, paid under a tenner for them all, including a bunch of WoT doubles that I gave to my brother.
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>>7661197
Sure. Hope you enjoy them. If you have other questions, feel free to ask any time.
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>>7656283
Sounds good to me 2bh
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Is the language in the Malazan books more "difficult" than average fantasy novels?
English isn't my native tongue and I wonder if it's just my lack of vocabulary or that Steven uses less common synonyms more often than most authors would.
Doesn't help that I haven't read anything for a long while.
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>>7659339
Butcher actually is pretty formulaic and you could definitely pull off that theme of rising stakes pretty easy once you do it a few times. Note how weak the first few books are- he hadn't quite sussed out the formula yet. The formula is just work, The trick is just doing it with STYLE.

I imagine Butcher keeps pretty meticulous notes of what the side characters are up to and what their relationships are to juggle that sort of thing.
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>>7661142
>Popular speculation seems to be that it is a Voidbringer. Black bodies, red eyes, so on.

Well, we know that the weird spike in Bleeder was from a Shard we know, and since the Set all seem to worship Trell it stands to reason that it's from whoever Trell is.

Sel has an advantage in Cosmeric knowledge, we can see both from the Ire in Secret History, and of the other Shardworlds, Nalthis is probably behind on Cosmere knowledge (Warbreaker comes after Mistborn, which comes after Elantris), Roshar isn't in the position for this and Threnody seems unlikely.

The Svrakiss are the supernatural enemies of Jaddeth in the doctrine of the Derethi religion, half ghost, and half demon. "The Derethi believed that they had the ability to take of the bodies of living men and control their actions."

This sounds like their own Faceless Immortals.

Their initial plan seems to have been to conquer Scadrial, not wipe out it's life, which suggests it's not Odium-driven. It doesn't seem like Odium's style.

Also, when Sanderson was asked if Miles was possessed by one, he gave a RAFO and said we were on the right lines, but it was more influenced by something.
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>>7660370
>i'm working on a fantasy novel based on norse myths
Once it isn't inline with Rick Riordan.
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>>7660599
in sci-fi forced diversity and explicitely pointing out that muh racism is a thing of the past look how progressive we are now
in fantasy, hmm, I hate elf/druid-centered stuff with muh balance, muh nature.
and prophecies. I've only ever seen a prophecy handled well once and that was in Giftwish because when they needed a hero they just forced some random guy into it (prophecy asked for a guy that's wet all over on a sunny day herding some white goats and a black one, only one shoe and something else I forget, they just threw him into a public well, stole one of his sandals, switched a goat and did whatever else was needed and sent him on his merry journey to fulfill the prophecy at which end he was supposed to be sacrificed because he wasn't supposed to be a hero but a sacrifice )
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Check my latest acquisitions, got them for 40 cents each
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>>7661386
mite b cool if 'Trell' is something to do with Adonalsium's enemy. Fun fact: Odium knows about Adonalsium's opposition. I'm really fucking hyped for this inter-world Cosmeric shitstorm that is about to happen. I really want to see what Odium's status is post-SA since he's 'imprisoned' on Braize during SA but of course, Mistborn Era 2 is 341 years after SA so if it is Odium itself then something would have had to happen for Odium to become free.
Right, Nalthis probably is but maybe something happened to help Nalthis out since it HAS been some 300-odd years, especially with Vasher going back to Roshar and he may have told other(s) like Vivenna. I do wonder what is going on with Threnody and why they want to be a 'major player', and even what that would entail or imply.

I think either Svrakiss or Voidbringers have to be whatever that thing is. FUCK. I wish we could get our goddammed Elantris sequels already instead of them being forever fucking blown off. There is some peculiar freaky-ass unsettling shit going down on Sel, man.
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>>7660910
Two words: Rape Scene
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You think Shallan is finally going to get blacked in the next stormlight book?
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>>7661358
Gardens of the Moon? If he uses a word you don't recognize it's because he made it up and he won't tell you what it means for a while.
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What is better?
I bought both series, but i want to know which one is the best
I bought the Stormlight Archive and Mistborn books
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>>7662107
I don't even think niggers are a thing on Roshar. I could be wrong but eh.

>>7662241
Depends on what you're looking for.
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>>7662270
>Depends on what you're looking for.
Best characters and World/places
I know they take place in the same universe
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>>7662287
SA has more characters overall so you're statistically likely to run into more characters you like. I'm too drunk to bother upload an image so fuck you.
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>>7661781
When I read the description of powers at the end of the era 2 mistborn books, I always thought it was Sanderson who was talking, it's only now I just realised it might be hoid... hoid rhymes with void. Hoid is a cosmeric voidbringer. Get hyped
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>>7662107
Gingers love blacks. They don't get judged for having no soul by blacks, unlike what happens with their white counterparts.
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>>7662270
I get a feeling that lift is black.

>tfw cosmerefag is a pollie
It hurts
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>>7661769
Good finds, anon - gotta love that trippy Seventies cover art.

I keep picking up Sturgeon books in hopes of finding the infamous one where the protagonist fucks a dolphin, but no luck so far. (Don't tell me what one it is, I want it to hit me when I'm least expecting). Also I've heard he was the real-life inspiration for Kilgore Trout - any idea if that's true?
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>>7662415
>Ars Arcanum
>written by anyone but Khriss
wew lad

>>7662429
Is a 'pollie' someone who says nigger? Because someone who thinks anyone who says nigger is a 'pollie' is a filthy fucking newfag who should an hero
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>>7662270
>>7662429
The azish are dark skinned, they seem reminiscent of persians, not really niggers. And the herdezians are like rosharian mexicans (who also happen to be part parshendi due to their granite nails)

>>7661781
What really has me excited is Kelsier's new role in the Cosmere and I wouldn't be surprised if he found himself a new crew by era 2.
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What's with all this cosmere bullshit?

I hate that Sanderson is polluting Mistborn and Stormlight with it so much. Suddenly, everything that's slightly out of the ordinary ceases to be foreshadowing or something that logically exists in the world. It just becomes random shit that you attribute a false sense of importance to because it's presented that way, but it turns out that it doesn't mean anything except to be an easter egg reference to one of his other 5 series.

I like his books, but why would an author who places so much value on consistent worldbuilding, foreshadowing and complex Chekov's Guns bother with that sort of thing?
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>>7662928
Well he hit 40 not long ago, his brain has now probably went through a change as significant as when he in his early/mid twenties. He now thinks differently.
With authors you have to accept they are growing up over time and will change in the way they write and think unless they are the most stoic of thinkers or lacking development.
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>>7662241
Mistborn for a fast paced plot driven ride.

Stormlight is far better overall, but it's also very slow and heavy on worldbuilding. And incomplete.
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>>7662422
>le funny southpork meme
>_<
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>>7662928
From what I've gathered the cosmere has been the main driving force behind his writing fantasy, something he has envisioned since a youth. We're not even at the half-way mark yet concerning the entire cosmere story line, I expect good things from it and Sanderson hasn't missed a beat. What slightly worries me are the fans that surround Brandon and chirp about inconsequential shit in his stories regarding LGBT and SJW problems that may dampen or change the original vision for his stories.

I would have disagree with your idea that because now we are getting peeks behind the curtain, so to speak, that all those things you mentioned go out the window. In fact it is the opposite of what you say we are now finally getting to see deeper into the world building (eg.cognitive realm), the shards and their holders, etc. This is something he's been planning for a long time and he has been foreshadowing the whole thing since the beginning.

Here's his last update that corroborates what i'm saying implicitly, but he has explicitly stated his plans for the cosmere before.

http://brandonsanderson.com/state-of-the-sanderson-2015/
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>>7662728
>you will be of more help on another planet
>allah ackbar
So trell's minions are somewhow a mind/thought that retains it's spirit that allows them to traverse the cosmere

suit is now a red eyed demon, he got his wish never to meet ironeyes.

Wax's space grandkids are going to meet their great great great great uncle on another planet .
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>>7662728
He's going to clash with Kaladin.
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>>7660370
>i'm working on a fantasy novel based on norse myths.
Try to make it Rigante as opposed to Iron Druid.
ie; you can't just name drop and expect that to do. Gods need personalities and fallibility.
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>>7660587
>Why? What does he do differently that you enjoy?
There was a very clearly defined magic system in mistborn. It prevented dargon ball resurrection bullshit and made enemies seem more dangerous (until the MC uses the mist as a metal resource, which people tend to ignore).
Way of kings did political corruption quite well, it had this weird bridgeman role and it had a responsible but falliable protagonist (evident when his idea to use the bridges as shields resulted in slaughter).

I've actually never really seen human fallibility done like that. Even Gemmell, the greatest writer when it comes to flawed heroes (ignoring antagonists), had a clear separation between professional and family lives; he only made bad family decisions.
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>>7660599
The first word is Maul-kin.
The initial character description makes no sense.
It is later revealed that the character is an eel or a fish or something.

Sequels that shrink or add nothing to the world. This includes killing off too many characters, some apocalypses and ignoring sub-plots.

Romance with an end. Some series move on to a new couple in sequels, some have them get married in the first book then have them stay at that level of progression forever.

Preparation books. You can literally just skip them, starting in the middle of a conflict is a thing.

Characters who are just fan service. Particularly if they're men.

Stories that are all character insight and no plot-line. This includes any internal drama, time spent in prison / getting tortured, debating politics, etc.

Poor writing.

Name dropping. Me reading Wikipedia articles of mythological figures does not add to your story.
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>>7660601
The Last Mortal Bond by Brian Staveley.
It turned into a bit of a clusterfuck in book 2 but I'm interested to see how it turns out.

Basically a king had 2 sons and a daughter. The first son was sent to a monastery where he would learn to become succeed. The second was sent to a mercenary group to become a warrior. And the daughter studied finances back home. The king dies to assassins, the warrior saves the priest (but is on the run) and the accountant assumes them both dead and claims the throne.
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>>7660599
Elves, dwarves, wizards/witches in name, 'mythology was real', chosen one/orphaned, fanservice, coffeeshop/high school, shitloads of POVs that are never continued.
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>>7660599
Chosen ones. Elves, dwarves, orcs and similar races if they aren't in any way seriously interesting.
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Reading the new Irondruid book, the are planning the genocide and everything is going nice.
>chapter ends
>next chapter is a Granuaile chapter

EVER FUCKING TIME
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>>7655631
>Night of Villjamur by Mark Charan Newton
Dropped this after 60ish pages, wasn't liking it at all.

Now moved onto Stories of Your Life and Others by Ted Chiang. This is more like it.
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Alright guys,

give me good fantasy books about Dwarves, Elves, Kings and Dragons and all that.
Especially dorfs, I've seen so few good books with them.
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>>7663648
Witcher
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>>7663648
Wizard Knight
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Also, I've read The Dwarves by Heitz and was utterly disappointed. The book has such great worldbuilding and the dwarves are quite dorfy, with mining carts, pickaxes, beards and what not, but the plot was so fucking foreseeable and booooooooooring.
For a guy like me that rolls dwarf in every RPG there is, that book was a missed chance if I've ever seen one.

Nothing worse than a book completely losing itself in repetitive landscape descriptions, it's what killed the last third of LoTR for me.

I am looking for fantasy that has Dwarves with huge axes fighting with/against Elves/Humans over the course of a plot that hopefully doesn't turn out to be shit or foreseeable. Also, some Liches and/or non-sparkling vampires for a bit of extra spookyness would be a nice touch. Orcs are cool too.

Absolutely NO fucking Mary Sue characters please. I've tried reading Prince of Thorns and immediately understood why Hitler burned books, this fucking plot armored Mary Sue shit makes me grieve for every single tree that had to die in order to print that bullshit.
I want to read about characters that have strengths and flaws like everybody else, not some Shadow the Hedgehog fanfic tier shit about invincible teenage demigods.

So yeah, any cool fantasy books with dwarves?


>>7663659
I've played the games already and strangely enough, I think that makes me not want to read the books.
Can't really explain it and I am very likely missing out on a few good books here, but I have this thing that I can't consume the same story in different mediums.
I read most of the Harry Potter books seeing one of the movies and when I saw the movie, I lost interest after 10 minutes. I don't know, can't help it.


>>7663662
>Wizard Knight

Will check that out, thanks!
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>>7663690
>I can't consume the same story in different mediums
It's a completely different story though, the games are set after the plot of the books
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>>7661781
I think you've got the timeline mixed up. Mistborn Era 2 is 341 years after Mistborn Era 1. Stormlight Archive takes place in around the same time as Mistborn Era 2; specifically, in the gap between the first five and second five books.

Yeah, the Elantris sequels are going to be really interesting, considering Sel apparently knows the most about cosmere stuff.

As for Nalthis, I think thats less likely simply because there's so much space on Sel for things we haven't seen.

I'm starting to wonder if the fact that magic is so localised on Sel is because of some weird stuff going on with cognitive Shadows. Magic seems to be per-country, which is interesting because the concepts of devotion and dominion link very well with the concept of nations and religions. I'm wondering if each magic system is basically fueled by the cognitive Shadow of a country, the power coming from the splintered remnants of both Devotion and Dominion.
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>>7663690
all Heitz books are utter shit, I still don't get how they gained such a huge following here in Germany. Every single bookshop is always stocked with them and I regularly see people read them on the bus and in trains and stuff.
Tried reading the first one in the library to see if it was actually worth it, put it away after like 20 pages.

That being said, I can't really think of a good book about dwarves outside the franchises, sorry.
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>>7663690
You are shutting yourself off from the very thing you want by doing that. Can you not enjoy Alien Isolation because it was a movie? You didn't enjoy a little bit of LOTR movie? Not that guy, but I also came to recommend Witcher.

The games are after the books, none of the stories are in the 3 games. The short stories have the characters you seek. Don't let some arbitrary rules keep you from it.
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>>7663128
I'm worried about those peeks behind the curtain playing a larger part in the story or polluting his strong foreshadowing.

It's an issue because we only really understand what little we do about the shardholders and adonalsium through word of god. That's a failure on the authors part for those readers that don't follow his forum posting and just want to read the guy's books.
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>>7663717
>>7663690
Pratchett's dorfs are plenty dorfy. I recal Fifth Elephant had a lot of them.
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>>7663690
Tolkien, obviously, if you haven't read him already.

Can't think of much really, dwarves are terrible unfashionable in fantasy these days.
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>>7662728
I bet he's involved with the Seventeenth Shard in some way, if not running his own Cosmere group.

>>7662928
It's the entire reason he became a writer.

>>7663219
You mean another Realm. And we don't even know if that should be taken at face value.
>probably two years before we learn more
;_;

>>7663714
>Stormlight Archive takes place in around the same time as Mistborn Era 2; specifically, in the gap between the first five and second five books.
Nope. SA actually comes before Era 2. http://coppermind.net/wiki/Chronology
I know he stated once--or a few times--that he was going to refer to the Wax and Wayne books as Era 1.5 but they've been called Era 2 in the books themselves so everybody continues to refer to them as Era 2. I know. It increases the confusion. I'm really wondering how Era 3 will play out since it's supposed to be in between the SA timeskip, if he even decides to keep it in that slot.

I know The Dor is actually based in the Physical Realm and that is what makes it unique amongst the other magic systems we know of, which are based in the Spiritual Realm, iirc. And nobody has STILL figured out why it's dangerous to world hop to/from Sel yet. Certainly strange shit going on with Sel and The Dor.
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>>7663804
>dwarves are terrible unfashionable in fantasy these days
And I wonder why, actually.
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What does SFFG think of alternative history? Currently reading the last book of the Milkweed Triptych. It's pretty dark sometimes, but still enjoyable.
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>>7663895
too grounded

ahem. anyway, if you can deal with it, there's lots of dwarven stories in the forgotten realms novels.
almost all drizzt stuff for example, if you can stomach the sheer mary sue-ness that is the main character.
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>>7663900
>What does x think of y?

I hate it when people do that
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>>7664061
I'm trying to start a discussion.
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>>7664061
>/board/ here, you are wrong and that is silly
Even worse.
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>>7664070
Missed the point I was trying to make. It's the phrasing of asking "the board" or "the thread" that always riles me up. Answering your specific question for example, I find alternative history quite uninteresting.
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>>7664094
Most alt-hist isn't interesting, especially if it's the U.S. Civil War or WWII again, and the South winning and Hitler conquering the world again. Or Harry Turtledove, he's a circle of hell all by himself.

My favorite alternate history stories have been shorts, like where Genghis Khan was kidnapped to Byzantium and Christianized or where the former American slaveowners were sent to starve in concentration camps. Or the wacky ones like Seventh Son, The Deadly Mission of Phineas Snodgrass, or even Man in the High Castle. That last one was a terrific I Ching story but a boring alt-hist.
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Any books of the last few years (5-10~) you guys liked a lot? I noticed I'm mostly reading older stuff and I'm curious for something new.
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>>7663717
Markus Heitz is a shit tier author and only famous because he released his Dwarf books in the right time when the lotr movies where popular and everyone wanted more fantasy. I remeber playing Stronghold Multiplayer and people would discuss the books
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>>7664139
Last thing I really liked was the First Law trilogy. That's about 10 years now since the first one I believe. Couldn't really get into the standalones though.
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>>7664139
Hull Zero Three, Seveneves, Torchship
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>>7663825
>Nope. SA actually comes before Era 2

The source coppermind says, to quote Sanderson:
"I intended them to be happening roughly close to one another, with Way of Kings slightly before."

The post I was responding to claimed that the SA was 341 years before the AoL era, which is only "slightly before" for someone like Hoid (or a dragon).

My best guess is the splintered remnants of Devotion and Dominion keep combining and separating constantly, so it's a bit like the Cognitive Realm equivalent of that asteroid field from Empire Strikes Back.
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Is there a good fantasy book set during the Victorian era?
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>>7664111
I haven't read a lot of alt-hist, but I figure that WWII is overused. Also read Man in the High Castle, but from an alt-history point of view I liked Fatherland better.
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>>7664276
Do you mean to tell me you've never read Jonathan Strange and Mr. Norrell?

And don't mind the boring first hundred pages or so, they're supposed to be like that. It gets much better.
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>>7664283
Yeah, read that one, probably should have mentioned. Really liked it.
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>>7664240
Yeah, SA is way before AoL era. It's weird because SA is supposed to be in 'early/mid' Cosmere (as far as the 'current' time line goes; not going prequel books like Dragonsteel and Liar of Partinel--if we get that one.) And then Mistborn Era 3 is supposed to be in between the halfway point of SA even though that is only fifteen years. It's all a clusterfuck.

Could be something to do with the Shards having no holder and their power being let loose, too. There was even a theory that Devotion and Dominion were actually one Splintered Shard but I think it's pretty bunk.
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>>7663418
What does fanservice mean in the context of literature?
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>>7664094
you sound like a fucking autist and the type of spazy dweeb I used to throw ketchup packets at back in middle school.
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It has been said that American sci-fi is "by, for, and about robots". What are some examples for which this is most true?
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>>7664314
I'm wary of that chronology now. The way they talk on the seventeenth shard forums, it seems like AoL is in the middle of the SA books. Otherwise, like you said, the chronology doesn't make sense. I'd think what's more likely is things have got all confused by Mistborn going from 3 to 4 planned trilogies and eras.
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>>7664386
>I'd think what's more likely is things have got all confused by Mistborn going from 3 to 4 planned trilogies and eras.
That's what I'm thinking too. Originally it was going to be like
>original Mistborn
>SA
>modern Mistborn in between SA 5 and 6
>future Mistborn some time way after
So I'm sure AoL books threw a wrench into things, plus there was talk that he was considering the idea of a cyberpunk Mistborn book (or books) in between modern and future.

Wish they would canonize a proper chronology though. Sometime fucking ever.
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Gimme some far-left Sci-Fi senpai.
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>>7664372
that sounds like an insult towards the american contributions in scifi as whole by faggy euros with their head up their ass.

I'll respond by simply calling them fags again and laughing at the fact they'll all soon be replaced by no fun Muslims who only read the Koran.
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>>7664372
Asimov's Robot books. He's famous for his ideas, but he's not a gifted prose writer, and his characters are one-dimensional.
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>>7664417
The Dispossessed is all you'll ever need in that direction.
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>>7664426
>he's not a gifted prose writer
I have to disagree. He's not gifted in making prose fun, but he's very gifted in making prose do its job so efficiently that you don't notice it.
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Are there any fantasy novels with prose on the level of the Picture of Dorian Gray?
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>>7664426
I liked Foundation, but I, Robot was pretty boring. The characters and prose aren't very good, like you say, and the ideas aren't much either. Most stories are just explanations of why the 3 laws aren't a very good idea.
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>>7664360
funny thing that, since I did the throwing as well.
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>>7664360
asking the thread is at the very least as autistic
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Anyone have any thoughts to share about Roadside Picnic?
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>>7664605
cyka blyat
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>>7664605
Idi nahuy
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>>7663690
Try the Riyria Revelations by Mark S.

Bet you can't guess the ending.
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Can anybody recommend any books that blend Scifi and Fantasy together? Like I would love to read something with Elves, Dwarves, etc. but in modern or futuristic settings.
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>>7651367
I enjoyed Administrator by Taku Mayumura, and Inter Ice Age 4 by Kobo Abe was interesting, if not great.
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>>7651355
What's the /lit/ opinion on the expanse books/show?

Liked the show so I bought the first book. Pretty good imo.
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>>7664587
Have you read the other books in the Robot series? I liked them. They are nice detective/sci fi cross overs. If you are into that sort of thing.
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>>7665175
>Like I would love to read something with Elves, Dwarves, etc. but in modern or futuristic settings
Perfect examples of /tg/ shitters who know jack about Fantasy and Sc-Fi.
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>>7664587
I feel the oposite desu. Loved I, robot, thought foundation got boring.
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>>7665352
I loved the show. Kind of mad the 2nd season isn't aired until 2017
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First time on lit, so I don't know what goes on here or how everything works.

Anyone read Vernor Vinge? I really like his Zones of Thought series.

I'd like to find more hard scifi. Something that takes a more realistic slant.
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>>7665504
The expanse books are hard sci fi. Realistic space travel physics, no FTL, g force considerations when accelerating, people have health problems from lifetimes in low g.

Pretty interesting. They're written like the ASOIF books, in fact one of the authors is literally Martin's assistant so that might be good or bad to you idk.
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I just finished reading Finn Fancy Necromancy.

Avoid it. It's shit. It has like one or two decent ideas, but it's fucking painful to read.

Why the fuck does most sci-fi/fantasy have to have such shit writers.
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>>7665501
Yea worst of all though is

>tfw no belter gf
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>>7665546
Yeah, I started reading the Expanse series the other day. Most of the way through the first book. I like it a lot. Writing sometimes feels awkward, but I'm hoping it gets better through the series. I liked ASOIF.
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>>7664111
Honestly I kind of enjoyed Harry Turtledove's fantasy version of WWII.
Not great by any means, but enjoyable. Although it's been over 10 years since I read those books so who knows.
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>>7665563
Yea I feel the Miller chapters are much better written than the Holden ones. Its different people writing them so I think the Miller writer is just better. Hopefully it evens out as things go.
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>>7665563
Do you think George would ever bother them while they were writing?

>What are you guys doing?

>Writing

>Oh yea about what?

>Its a sci fi novel about a detective and an ice hauler an-

>Kill them.

>What?

>Kill them all it'll be great nobody will see it coming. Also oh many incestuous relationships are currently in the book?
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>>7665553
Lester Del Rey pushed a bunch of crap onto the market after he found out Sword of Truth sold even though it was crap, other publishers followed suit, low-tier S/SF fans thought it was the Second Coming and bought everything.
http://bondwine.com/2007/01/19/1977-from-zeuss-brow/

>>7665504
Zones of Thought are great. They're like a weird fusion of space opera, hard SF, and pirate stories.
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>>7665754

Friendly reminder that Martin's reputation for butchering characters wholesale is massively overblown as a result of the TV series placing greater emphasis on non-PoV characters.
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>>7665995
Friendlier reminder that no one cares and he will forever be known as butchering incest lover.
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>>7653966
I'd go for it. It felt like it was supposed to be a one book only thing. Then the second book made it feel like it had like 8 more coming because of how slowly it was moving. Then the third book wrapped everything up so ridiculously fast it left me confused. The fourth spin off book was decent. Don't expect anything amazing. Sanderson's other series (whatever it's called) is way better.
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>>7665773
>pirate stories.
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>>7666158
Fire upon the Deep Pham Nuwen is right out of Treasure Island.
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>tfw Painting by Numbers will never be out
>tfw you read the first Shades of Grey book like 15 billion years ago
>tfw even the prequel got put into a higher priority and Thursday Next is literal shit tier writing which got prioritised
>tfw you dream about reading the book and waking up to find sequel never
Fforde is an absolute fucking slowass cunt who will probably be hit by a bus before I can read the fucking sequel.
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>>7651355
>>Dystopian
>Brave New World

Not anymore to be honest. We live in a Brave New World.
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>>7666564
das deep mayne
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>>7651713
>>7655762
Wut's good about it?
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is there any science fiction/speculative fiction story where a man is turned into a woman and has to deal with it? near future, far future, doesn't matter to me. bonus points of not being a sexual fantasy or not being a feminist agenda book either
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>>7666664
Ranma 1/2 lol
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>>7665995
>>7666014
Frempo remandloop xD
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Has anyone else completely lost interest in GURRM or the GoT series (ASOIAF for you hardcore autists)?


Personally, GoT was the first real fantasy "epos" (is it one?) I've read, before that I just consumed one Pratchett after the other.

Then the TV series came out, did somewhat follow the books and that was it.
By the time I finished the 5th and last GoT novel (2013), I had already started reading other authors like Glen Cook and Daniel Abrahams because I was hungry for more fantasy stuff.
And compared to their work, GoT is just boring shit.

So why is everybody riding GRRMs dick so hard?
Compare his fantasy to Gemmell or Abercrombie or fucking Bullington or Scott Lynch, compare him to Miles Cameron or Staveley if you want to avoid the obligatory Tolkien comparison and tell me why people like this guy so much?

Is it because he constantly talks about cunts and cocks and young teenage girls being prostitutes and/or raped by grown men? Is that it?


TL;DR why do people like George R.R. Martin when there are so many better authors out there?
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>>7666823
>5th and last GoT novel
That's not how they're called unless you've literally read "A Game of Thrones" 5 times.
Yes, I'm autistic.

>So why is everybody riding GRRMs dick so hard?
Because successful tv series.

>is that it
Yes

Most people (fantasy "diehards" included) don't look further than what is aired on HBO.
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>>7666823
I used to be really into it back in high school. Now I've lost pretty much all my interest for it. I still think there's some good content in the series like A Storm of Swords but past that, for both the show and the books, it turns to shit real fast.

As a whole I agree with you, though. There are many better authors like Abercrombie and Cook who have constructed superior stories, characters, and worlds, but remain untouched because of the hype surrounding the HBO series.
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>>7665175
Cogweaver, check it out
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>>7666664
I Will Fear No Evil
>not being a sexual fantasy
or not.
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