Too much confirmatory ecidence in favorr of the judge existing, tall tales and scientific knowledge the Kid couldn't possibly have had. How to make gunpowder in the middle of the desert?
The Judge IS supposed to be a construction, but not of the Kid's mind. He's a human embodiment of war/hatred/brutality/monstrosity. The supernatural aspect of his character is intentional. He is more. Which is what makes him terrifying. The end had the judge dancing. The suicide cannot imagine dancing.
It was domination on a universally recognizable scale. If it was rape, it must have been seen in the first moment by the discoverers. I'm thinking rape and grizzly murder, the rape most prominent. Ass up and spread with his neck broken.
>>7648332 Obviously >>7648843 This is true. Regardless of what The Judge does to him in the jakes, the symbolism is still the same--no matter how you ride, hide, and avoid war, it catches up with you...fucks your shit up.
I read an article from a professor at Rutgers who argued convincingly that the Judge actually gets down on his knees and begs the Kid to absolve him for all the bad things he'd done. Hold on, lemme find the link.
I feel like given everyone in that book's complete desensitization to violence, rape wouldn't have gotten the "oh my god" reaction out of that guy. I've always felt that something horrible and impossible and unthinkable was happening to the kid, I've always pictured it as the Judge absorbing the kid into himself, even though there's no evidence for that
>>7649367 People love war, they love violence, they love winners. The Judge feels no remorse for the blood he's shed, and so everything he does is a distilled expression of the victorious man, which people are magnetically drawn to. People like to watch him dance for the same reason they fucked up that preacher just because he told them to.
The only flaw with it being rape is that rape was prolific in the story. The whole gang raped through the story as did the jidge, with children no less and no one batted an eye.
But we also never saw male on male rape which would be equated to total victory and destruction of another man so it is very plausible they were very taken back by it.
>tfw you read all the border books in El Paso >tfw I camped out at Hueco Tanks and read the portion where the gang holed up there. >tfw reading parts of blood meridian out loud to my boys when the morning sun came over the Franklin mountains.
I kind of imagined it was a body. Presumably the kids/mans but I also believe there is a smaller chance the man finally converted turned to the chaotic side with the Judge and murdered some other poor bloke.
The indians sodomized some of the men from the filibusterers party the kid joined when they overran their column. Remember those dudes the kid was with before the glanton gang that get attacked by indians in wedding dresses/conquistador outfits and such?
>>7652693 there was fuck all to be exposed. noone here likes slam poetry. it was some frogfaggot posting the video with some supposedly oh so PROVOCATIVE statement and all the other frogfaggots chiming in, triggered by the sight of a girl getting more attention than them, doing something vaguely related to the field they're interested in (and regardless of how shit it was i doubt anyone in that thread has produced something of value either).
it's boring, echo chamber type bullfuck, the kind that you'll see page for page for page on /r9k/. now git. your friends are waiting for you with pee pee poo poo memery and manlet shaming threads
>The Man formerly known as The Kid takes a job as bodyguard for some pilgrims >ditches them along the way >Somewhere in the mountains he sees some sort of cult >He takes a nap >Wakes up, keeps travelling, and finds the very pilgrims he ditched all massacred, except for an old lady who is praying on her knees >he approaches and opens up to her >she is some kind of mummy that has been dead for ages, despite him ditching the pilgrims only days earlier
It's curious because Holden is NOT some creature who thrives on what we may term murder-lust. If he was, yes, he would definitely ditch Glanton and side with the natives, since that offers the greater chances to go about murdering and maiming and raping and what not. But the Judge seems to be above that, despite indulging in it every now and then.
I meant that he'd do it just for survival, if those clouds did in fact prevent the sun from drying the mixture. I thought it was interesting how he unloaded his guns and then yelled "all dead save me" to the apaches, like it might have been his other option.
>>7654427 There's one scene where the Judge takes special interest in a young girl and the next morning she's found dead with her neck broken. The text implies he raped and murdered her since Toadvine accuses him of it and even puts a gun to his head.
>>7649135 yep, the judge owned him with the final conversation. The kid was just another mediocre dumb chump, the judge finally spoke candidly. And he implied how insignificant the kid was, because the kid waited years to go for answers. The judge is just on another level.
Saw this stupid but great thread as I was finishing BM. Finshed it. Thought it maybe a distant second to Moby Dick.
>>Was it rape?
Not even close OP. Judge at the end is literally petering out on his soliloquays, that were at one point great, but are at this point are straight up boring meme-based bores. Gone is his mystique and magicalness. The kid shambles and trundles on into the shit-tier/blasé American landscape (un-raped) is my final analysis.
>>7654148 Exactly. Only a fool would think rape. The judge takes the kid, God gets the man. He lived. The judge was never in the jakes. The kid was a fighter. Very petty to think it was rape. Very gay.
>>7660889 I think you're missing the point. The Judge definitely killed the Kid. In that early draft of the jail scene I posted, the Kid says the Judge can kill him, but he can't whip him (ie, bind him to his will), and the Judge responds with murderous frustration. That dynamic is still the same in the finished book, but a little more subtle. The killing was a concession, a recognition of untouchable defiance, and in that way a defeat.
>>7661995 There was no real reason to describe it. But I'd say the Kid/Man is innocent in some unique way and we likewise don't get descriptions of the Judge's sneaky killing of other innocents (children, like the Gileno kid who's bouncing on the Judge's lap one minute and a scalped corpse the next), while we do get descriptions for participants in battle against him (like the Mexican whose head he crushes during the cantina brawl in Nacori). There's also some macabre humor to it, in how the Judge politely "shot the wooden barlatch home behind him" while some surreal brutality goes on within.
The man finished the book. He closed the pages tightly together then put one foot on the floor then the other then used his hands to push himself up out of the chair and then put one foot in front of the other until he had walked all the way to the book shelf and then put the book on the book shelf. The deer walked in. The man whirled around and fired once with his pistol and the brains of the deer went flying out the back of its head and painted the wall a color dark red like blood. The man sat down again like a man sitting down.
I didn't really like the book, said the dead deer.
I reckon I was pretty conflicted, replied the man grimly.
His writing style is pretty problematic.
I reckon his style is perty silly, he just strings a bunch of them declarative statements together, like 'the man did this then the man did that etc", but they don't paint no picture, they're done totally unevocative of anything. I reckon it don't take no skill to just state in excessive detail what someone is doing. It takes artistic skill to say it in a way that done bring it to life for the reader, and he don't done really do that. I reckon it's some sub-Hemingway shit he's doing.
It's not all bad though.
I reckon some some of the images t'were pretty powerful.
And the judge is a memorable character.
I reckon he's the only one though. All the rest of them there charac'ers ain't real memorable, like he done put no effort into 'em 'cause he spent all his time on the judge. And that there whole novel was all...whatdjacallit, structureless and stuff. And real repetitiv' too.
I read that he doesn't see why people like Proust and James because he thinks all novels should be about life and death things.
I reckon that's 'cause he's too obsessed with subject matter and not enough with style and art.
The dead deer nodded and walked out. The man slowly got up again by putting one foot then the other on the floor and then used his hands to push himself up out of the chair. He fixed himself a drink and resolved not to take anymore book recommendations from Harold Bloom.
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