Has anyone here read pic related? I am very interested in reading up on the Islamic reformation movements that have been taking place in the past few decades.
Also related, what do you think of the idea that Islam today is at the same place Christianity was back in the middle ages?
Reform? It's called Sunni, Shia, Sufi, Ahmadiyya, Baha'is. All a total and utter failure. Those "moderate" Muslims preaching reform are involved in Taqiyya. Muslims are low IQ people, worshipping a mass murdering pedophile that's deemed perfect and must be emulated as much and as closely as possible. He’s the source of all evil. A source that no muslims is willing to denounce.
The Christians, at least, had Jesus, the Ten Commandments and Martin Luther.
Jesus the hippie > Muhammad the rapist.
How does one reform what was a religion of conquest and anti-human values from the very beginning? Not to be fedora, but it seems telling that so many people would rather try to reinvent the wheel while hanging on to the framework they grew up with than consider adopting a faith that actually fits their values.
Reformation of Christianity and Judaism didn't do a thing except permit people to forsake the core values of their faith without having to take the painful step of leaving it.
I never read that, I'm not interested in anti-theism.
But I reckon there are some salvageable ideas in that book judging by the opinions of people who have read it and I respect, the conversation with Chomsky showed that Chomsky is a retard who thinks everyone is a neo-con shill and refuses to speak reasonably about topics he made his mind up decades ago.
Sam Harris actually treated him with respect with every mail just to get a "No fuck you neo-con shill" answer every time.
He isn't, he receives that claim because he's simply too nice to shut-down people who taint his name like all the Theist autists and braindead lefitists who are butthurt at him, namely Glenn Greenwald and Reza Aslan.
Sam is actually super liberal himself, but refuses to admit that Islam is equal to Christianity and that the modern wave of terrorism can be totally attributed to the West's doing, which are reasonable claims, they're not exactly provocative or outlandish that would warrant the title "neo-con shill".
He also condemned all actions in Iraq, unlike Hitchens who never had to hear people call him a neo-con shill.
I saw that debate back when I was a raging fedora, although it was pretty unmemorable compared to Hitchen's other debates.
I'm still an atheist, but I've developed a sort of appreciation for religion.
I have not read the book either btw, I don't even know anything about the guy. I just want to learn more about the moderate side of Islam, which I believe actually exists. Just looking for books on the subject.
I've read another book by him. I got the impression that he takes himself a little too seriously. He is intelligent and in my opinion worthwhile though.
That idea is good and bad if we adjust it to Chriatianity of say Enlightenment's time. We shouldn't overstretch it though since it isn't as if each religion is going through "Progress" and Christianity is somehow more advanced historically. But it is similar in the sense that they were/are both encountering modernity, secularism, plurality and other similar ideas and having to respond. But it is different, Christians encountered it within their own culture, Muslims see it tied to the West and then how both religions are different, economics and other stuff. I don't think both religions can ultimately have the same response to modernity.