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>He disliked nearly all women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies and nosers-out of unorthodoxy.
was orwell right?
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it actually is generally the norm that women are the most slavish cultists and the most zealous devotees of religious orders and stuff. pre-war and pre-suffrage, women were massively overrepresented in hardcore religious organisations. the most reflexive traditionalists are always women.

women defend the status quo for the status quo's sake because going against the grain is a bad idea when you already have intrinsic value and don't need to seek out undiscovered and unexploited niches or establish new regimes with your own boner on top.
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>>7634405
always
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>>7634421
i totally agree. today, if you're a young, attractive girl, all you have to do to be successful, is follow the patriarchal system and find a rich man to marry. they have it so easy, so of course they want to maintain the status quo. i can't tell you how many girls i've seen describe themselves as "country girls" who wear flannel and cowboy boots. who love shooting guns, driving trucks, and getting muddy. in american society it's fashionable to be a walking, talking clone of the system. it's disgusting
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>>7634443
>"As they say in the United States: “to be different is to be indecent.” The mass crushes beneath it everything that is different, everything that is excellent, individual, qualified and select. Anybody who is not like everybody, who does not think like everybody, runs the risk of being eliminated. And it is clear, of course, that this “everybody” is not “everybody.” “Everybody” was normally the complex unity of the mass and the divergent, specialised minorities. Nowadays, “everybody” is the mass alone. Here we have the formidable fact of our times, described without any concealment of the brutality of its features."
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>>7634421
Do you have any proof of this?
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>>7634405
Yes. Look at the White Feather society, the temperance movement, any super evangelical/black church, and women involved in major party politics. Healthy young women tend to cleave to power, and this is just the way of the world. Some don't, but that doesn't make a trend.

Challenging things is lonely.
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>>7634462
6,000+ years of history
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>>7634464
>Challenging things is lonely.
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>>7634456
nice. source on this?
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Women shouldn't even be taught to read - let alone be able to participate in labor and governance. They're such ridiculous fucking creatures. Just look at Europe right now.

>Spend decades decrying masculinity, feminizing their men, and praying to the alter of multiculturalism
>Piss their panties when they import misogynist savages and there's no one to defend them from their new neighbors, the hundreds of thousands of feral rapists, because they decided to feminize their men
>Make a total 180 now that they're threatened and lament about "where have all the men gone" and "men need to defend us" when they've made it their life's work to disenfranchise men
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>>7634484
go back to /pol/
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>>7634484
jesus i wasnt even aware of this
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>>7634484
Yes, I agree; however, it is our fault for letting them do this to us in the first place.
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>>7634462
Read Simone de Beauvoir. She says men create religion and then women follow it radically.
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>>7634500
Imo that was the greatest loss of WWII
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"Why are Women more Religious than Men?" - Marta Trzebiatowska, Steve Bruce, Oxford University Press (2012).
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>>7634484
nah we just need to teach women how to act better, I know this red pilled girl who's doing pretty well. She's autistic but she genuinely does her best and doesn't blame everything else for her problems.
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>>7634462
women during any liberal anti-catholic backlash (e.g. the kulturkampf) were the most ardent traditionalists, but not for any intellectual reason. they just couldn't give up daddy church.

>>7634472
ortega y gasset, revolt of the masses

also check out baudrillard "in the shadow of silent majorities"
http://autonomousuniversity.org/sites/default/files/Baudrillard_Shadow-of-the-Silent-Majorities.pdf
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>>7634421
>>7634502
I was raised in the Mormon Church and this describes it perfectly. Half the men don't believe or give a fuck they just pretend so their wives don't cheat on them.
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>>7634530
>I was raised in the Mormon Church
damn i'm so sorry
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>>7634521
Inb4 weeb, yellow fever, etc., but it seems like a lot of Asian women don't go in for that nonsense at all. I've known a few Japanese girls who hold strong right wing views even after graduating from extremely progressive American universities.
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The thin veil of orwell citing doesn't make this /lit/.
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Women get to be NEET mothers or choose a low-paying career they genuinely enjoy or one that helps others. They get to actually live and experience the typical platitudes of 'what life is all about': family, love, goodness, doing what you want to do, helping others.

Why would they want to change anything?

Most feminists are closed off from this (ugly, lesbian, etc.) or have just been memed really hard, so they seek to enter the modern man's tragedy of blind careerism.
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>>7634549
I'm actually very glad I was raised in it. Realizing literally your entire framework for understanding your experience and the universe is bullshit during your formative years made me open-minded and caused me to develop an interest in philosophy.

The sex deprivation was probably a big factor in me developing worthwhile hobbies as well desu
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>>7634589
well hey, good for you man. i know too many mormons who blindly believe everything they're taught despite the fact that the religion has been all but definitively denounced as bullshit. most of them are women though
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>>7634589
>implying you would have gotten any action either way
It's ok, you're among friends here.
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>>7634496
Quality rebuttal. You know it's true. Truth hurts.
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>>7634569
>discussing a quote from literature doesn't make this literature
Ha.
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>>7634456
>All excellence is only in being different
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>>7634665
>I haven't read book but I have comment on book

>>>/lit/
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>>7634670
>>7634670
He doesn't really have to have read the book. Conformity serves a very practical purpose.
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>>7634670
Fuck the book. I'm commenting on the quote.
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>>7634691
Quotes have context, stupid.
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>>7634707
Which the poster clearly didn't give two shits to indicate.

He posted it, knowing its face value was the only message it could convey.
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>>7634443
>tips fedora
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>>7634587
I wish they would exist
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All old hags are disgusting. Only young girls (13/14) make viable partners.
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>>7634756
good argument
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>>7634741
>short succint Plato quote evinced as example of not using ad hominem
>WELL SOMETIMES THE CREDIBILITY OF THE SPEAKER IS RELEVANT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! FUCKING PLATO I CAN ONLY ENGAGE WITH WHAT I'VE BEEN GIVEN JEEZ

The important thing is you avoided reading books.
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>>7634606
I hear tell Merkel is Catholic?
Orwell was an insider and I believe his works are best described as predictive programming. Helping the totalitarian wet dream come to fruition.

I think if you write off half the human race you are just asking for trouble. The Abrahamic religions have more or less done this. What is happening today is just a natural and healthy reaction to 2000 years of suppressing half of 'man-kind'. Don't get me wrong, I am not a feminist, it all looks painful, but man will reap what he sows.
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>>7634864
>I hear tell Merkel is Catholic
Merkel is literally a childless atheist who was very active in East German Communism. She probably informed on people for the Stasi.
>suppressing half of mankind
Why do feminists pretend that raising children and cleaning a house is literally worse than the Holocaust. Meanwhile, men had to fight and die in wars. Women got conned into thinking wageslave jobs are nobler than raising families by cultural Marxists and rabid (mostly Jewish) feminists.
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>>7634665

> fake quote
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>>7634864

Orwell's works are best described as self-regard, followed by CIA shilldom.
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>>7634587
Basically all the old guys that retire in my line of work have died within the year of their retirement, this shit eats you and if you dont stay active your body cant cope with the fact that it no longer follows a routine and quits.
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>>7634864
>OMG OPPRESSION FUCKING CHRISTIANS
Stupid cunt.
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>>7634881
>men had to fight and die in wars
Lol I love this argument because it's so fucking brainless. Men chose to fight in wars and made the women stay at home and take care of the children. Some people had to stay home and the men decided that the women should be the ones to do it.
Women should have the same opportunities as men. If that means working "wageslave jobs" then they should have that option.
>hurr women had it easier than men
That's because men made it that way
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>>7635105
Why should they?
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>>7635105
>Men chose to fight in wars
wew
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>>7634881
You and I both know that Women weren't just forced to raise Children and cleaning a house. Female Infantacide, forced marriages, honor killings, having their lives either controlled by their Fathers and Brothers, or their Husbands. There's no positive way you can spin all that.
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>>7635120
>There's no positive way you can spin all that.
The reality you depicted is preferable to one wherein weak-minded women are allowed to hack away at the pillars of civilization with their obscene ideologies and voting tendencies. Women would even be happier with more structure in their lives than they are now with dead-end "careers" and the sensation of their wombs withering away on the vine.
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>>7635128
How would you like to be in that position? Completely unable to determine your own fate?
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>>7635154
I could go for an arranged marriage at this point to be quite honest, family. Not that it matters what people want anyway. Women are here to bear children and this should be all the fate they need.
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>>7634589
Whoa, bro. I was raised Mormon as well, but I've never really looked back on it negatively. You summed up emotion that I hadn't been able to put into words. Thank you.
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>>7635128
Happiness isn't the issue here. It's choice and autonomy. Women should still be able to choose to have careers, even if it makes them unhappy. If they truly thought choosing being homemakers would make them happy instead, then more power to them.
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>>7635115
You wanna prove that statement false?
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>>7635238
the political leaders chose to go to war

You want to tell me that every single drafted 18 year old kid went in all gung ho ready to kill for unknown (often irrational) political reasons?

But no, please, bitch about not being able to be sent away a hundred times further from home than you've ever been only to die cold and alone in a foreign land for a cause you didn't understand.
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>>7635380
kill yourself, frog faggot
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>>7635388
>ad hominem
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>>7634405
I knew some women who probably fit that description, I'm convinced and will fight against this menace as hard as possible.
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>>7635380
Were those political leaders men? Yeah they were weren't they.
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>>7634484
Fuck you, you copy pasting meme spouting mongoloid. You have a containment board, go fucking shitpost there
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>>7635405
No, not all of them, and that anon's point was that men didn't collectively decide to go to war - their leaders did that for them.
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>>7634484
Women didn't feminize men. Changes in Western culture made ideals of "manliness", which most often spring early on a civilization's history to enable the initial period of settling and expansion, obsolete. The modern feminist movement is not even fucking close to the first of its kind on history. In fact, almost all great civilizations become more liberal and "enlightened" near their fall, because it essentially signals that the culture which made the original rise to power (most often by taking down a older empire by force or by settling on uncharted lands, which leaves little time for people to worry about social justice or such other things) possible no longer exists. On the up side, it's on these periods that most important academic advances are made, and they're the best times to live for the general population.
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>>7635441
But those leaders were men
Women NEVER would have chosen to go off to war
Checkmate heteronormative scum
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>>7635479
>Women NEVER would have chosen to go off to war
>laughing_Hillary_Clinton.jpg
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>>7635482
Interesting thing!

European Queens Waged More Wars Than Kings

http://nymag.com/scienceofus/2016/01/european-queens-waged-more-wars-than-kings.html

(and I know that people who use the words "heteronormative scum" are just b8in)
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>>7635486
Wow that's actually really interesting
Thanks for this
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>>7634500
>our fault
Women have exorbitant power over men in society. It boils down to "we will only fuck men who meet our criteria" and lesser degrees of ostracism.

So all it takes for a landslide of social change is a small amount of unity between women and a few men to support them opening the floodgates. It is an invisible force as old as the hills.
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The last few weeks there's been so much of this fucking /pol/-tier shitposting about women and lefties and cultural Marxism why can't you cunts just talk about fucking books instead of coming here acting like the biggest redditors in the room shitting on everything and then asking us, bewildered, BUT WHY ARE YOU MAD FOR TELLING THE TRUTH HERE HAVE SOME MORE STATISTICS GET REDPILLED I hate you all so much you mouthbreathing turtle egg bastards you are what has killed 4chan.
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>>7635505
I agree but your post is top tier pasta material if you just change books for any board's topic.
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>>7634443

that's a troll's bait if I've ever seen it.
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>>7635505
>killed 4chan
4chan was never alive, it was born a rotting corpse and we are the detritivores.
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>>7635504
This is some /r9k/tier bullshit
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>>7635515
it's true
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>>7635530
It's all over the place at this point.
We don't have the force to counter argue all the shitposting.
I just hope noone ends up believing it
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>>7635504
this makes sense, but it's fucked up
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>>7635545
too late
>>7635559
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>>7635563
Eh, most of the times people bring up all the women are evil and vaginas give them unlimited powers things there's usually also a lot of samefagging and circlejerking going on. i wouldn't worry too much
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>>7634443
> in american society it's fashionable to be a walking, talking clone of the system. it's disgusting
You hate tradition and healthiness because you are unhealthy and ill-constituted

>>7634456
As to you

>>7634555
False, tons of asians with blue hair and retarded habits at my very liberal school whereas my white girlfriend is right wing. You're just a weebfag

>>7635105
You are extremely naive and dont know much history at all
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>>7635606
i hate tradition when it involves blindly devoting yourself to a flawed system
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>>7635606
>>7635642
and idk what health has to do with any of that
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>>7635105
>what is an invading army
Yes, let the ottomans/mongols/any army destroy us and wipe us out because men chose not to fight in wars

kill yourself cunt
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>>7634405
I wish women were orthodox to what is orthodox to me.
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>>7634405
Orwell was a sniveling cunt, fuck him.

Yes, most women are God / system worshipers. It's part of their sexuality to worship, and like it was pointed out already in this thread, their sexuality / bodies do not encourage them to seek refuge in new, niche territory.

But women have little power in the world, and those religions / systems were always governed by men. Women are good at empowering systemizers. And there is nothing to despise them about, unless you're afraid of them (i.e. you have a weak masculinity), and this somehow threatens you.
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>>7635530
>>7635559
>Attacking the tone rather than refuting the point.
In settled society men, consciously or not, behave how they believe women want them to. So ultimately women wear the pants. Why is this so hard to swallow.
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>>7635642
how is being fit and having children flawed

>>7635648
by health I mean fertility, social compatibility
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>>7635683
>Women are good at empowering systemizers
>systemizers

whatever. saying that is literally just rewording it to make it sound like a compliment rather than a criticism. the fact is that they will 'empower' any God or system that they are exposed to without using any critical thinking. this gives a ton of power to flawed systems and false Gods
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>>7635685
i was agreeing with what he was saying. just adding that the truth sucks
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>>7635694
>being fit and having children
where the hell are you getting this from? I was criticizing the patriotic, cowboy boot, starbucks coffee 'country girl' stereotype that so many girls eagerly identify themselves as
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>>7635709
Oh no, young people having fun and being masculine/feminine according to their sex!
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Read Tiqqun's "Young-Girl"
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>>7635709
Go to Europe if you want effeminacy and lack of patriotism
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>>7635718
>according to their sex
they are not acting in the biologically normal way. there isn't a hormonal female instinct that makes them drink starbucks or prefer trucks over cars. their behavior is based entirely on social influence. american social norms are created and perpetuated by the bourgeoisie and mass media
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>>7635721
>Go to Europe
believe me. i'm trying anon.
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>>7635721

whoops. >>7635739 was meant for>>7635725


what's young girl about?
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Hourly reminder that suffrage was the main impetus behind the western world's political and social decline
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>>7635505

get over it cucklord
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>>7635695
It's neither a compliment nor a criticism. It's just how it works. This is how women are. Take advantage of them like a man, or bitch about it like a woman, your choice.
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>>7635756
fair enough
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This thread is really scaring me. Do you guys actually think all this stuff? I can't tell if you're joking. I got recommended this site by somebody in my local alt-lit scene but I didn't realize you were all such repulsive misogynists
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>>7635739
Good, tell me how Achmed's cock tastes

>>7635735
1. What is bad about that behavior 2. I mean't females follow female norms in whatever society they grow up in from instinct 3. the "bourgeoisie" wants them to listen to rap and date outside their community 4. What else is there to listen to than the "media" (as if there is one narrative in the media) today? The Christian church is dead and the globalists won't allow any nation-based aristocracy or political leader. What should they do, look to lesbian professors from Manhattan for their social norms instead?
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>>7635776

>misogynists

we're not feminists m8.
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>>7635776
I've been here since the start of /lit/, and I think these nutjobs are really serious about what they say. Ever since Stormfront made a conscious effort to spread its shit here 4chan has become a hotbed of braindead conspiracy theory stuff.
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>>7635700
All men are islands, make yours a paradise and people will visit
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>>7635776
if this is really your situation and isn't bait:
learn to use the catalog to find the threads that aren't going to attract obvious idiots
learn to ignore posters that aren't talking about books but rather personal ideology or blogging personal failures (many of these posters are from other boards -- particularly /pol/ and /b/ which are a nazi containment board and a furry pornography board, respectively, and come to /lit/ to push their agenda on what they see as "marxists")
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>>7635796
>being this contrarian
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>>7634405
I feel like todays society is like 1984 in the general context. Just like in the book in modern society average people are just pawns of the government who partake in useless wars and spy on their citizens
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>>7635744
Marxist neckbeard pamphlet. I enjoy their attempts at defining this phenomenon described in OP.
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>>7635776
Point out the posts you think are misogynistic. Chances are you're just overreacting.
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>>7635154
that is the position of all human beings desu, life isn't one continuous episode of sex and the city
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>>7635405
>feminists handing out white feathers to 16 year old boys
>'mothers of the nation' demanding men join up

your identity politics is amusing, somehow an underage kid being forced to die horribly thousands of km away from home for no decent reason is acceptable and even justified so long as the 'blame' rests with people that share the same gender. Pathetic pleb reasoning
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>That woman is by nature intended to obey is shown by the fact that every woman who is placed in the unnatural position of absolute independence at once attaches herself to some kind of man, by whom she is controlled and governed; this is because she requires a master. If she, is young, the man is a lover; if she is old, a priest.
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>>7635859

based schoppy
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>>7635868
It's fucking scary how that short essay so completely captures the essence of women.

As you grow older and more experienced every word in it just rings truer.

If you internalize everything he says in that essay not only you, but all the women in your life will be happier.
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>>7634930
What the fuck do you do anon?
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>>7635814
bahahahahahaha
le '1984 was a warning not a manual' maymay strikes again
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>>7635859
How can one man be so right about everything?
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>>7635814
upboated good sir
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