>He disliked nearly all women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies and nosers-out of unorthodoxy.
was orwell right?
it actually is generally the norm that women are the most slavish cultists and the most zealous devotees of religious orders and stuff. pre-war and pre-suffrage, women were massively overrepresented in hardcore religious organisations. the most reflexive traditionalists are always women.
women defend the status quo for the status quo's sake because going against the grain is a bad idea when you already have intrinsic value and don't need to seek out undiscovered and unexploited niches or establish new regimes with your own boner on top.
i totally agree. today, if you're a young, attractive girl, all you have to do to be successful, is follow the patriarchal system and find a rich man to marry. they have it so easy, so of course they want to maintain the status quo. i can't tell you how many girls i've seen describe themselves as "country girls" who wear flannel and cowboy boots. who love shooting guns, driving trucks, and getting muddy. in american society it's fashionable to be a walking, talking clone of the system. it's disgusting
>"As they say in the United States: “to be different is to be indecent.” The mass crushes beneath it everything that is different, everything that is excellent, individual, qualified and select. Anybody who is not like everybody, who does not think like everybody, runs the risk of being eliminated. And it is clear, of course, that this “everybody” is not “everybody.” “Everybody” was normally the complex unity of the mass and the divergent, specialised minorities. Nowadays, “everybody” is the mass alone. Here we have the formidable fact of our times, described without any concealment of the brutality of its features."
Yes. Look at the White Feather society, the temperance movement, any super evangelical/black church, and women involved in major party politics. Healthy young women tend to cleave to power, and this is just the way of the world. Some don't, but that doesn't make a trend.
Challenging things is lonely.
Women shouldn't even be taught to read - let alone be able to participate in labor and governance. They're such ridiculous fucking creatures. Just look at Europe right now.
>Spend decades decrying masculinity, feminizing their men, and praying to the alter of multiculturalism
>Piss their panties when they import misogynist savages and there's no one to defend them from their new neighbors, the hundreds of thousands of feral rapists, because they decided to feminize their men
>Make a total 180 now that they're threatened and lament about "where have all the men gone" and "men need to defend us" when they've made it their life's work to disenfranchise men
nah we just need to teach women how to act better, I know this red pilled girl who's doing pretty well. She's autistic but she genuinely does her best and doesn't blame everything else for her problems.
women during any liberal anti-catholic backlash (e.g. the kulturkampf) were the most ardent traditionalists, but not for any intellectual reason. they just couldn't give up daddy church.
ortega y gasset, revolt of the masses
also check out baudrillard "in the shadow of silent majorities"
Inb4 weeb, yellow fever, etc., but it seems like a lot of Asian women don't go in for that nonsense at all. I've known a few Japanese girls who hold strong right wing views even after graduating from extremely progressive American universities.
Women get to be NEET mothers or choose a low-paying career they genuinely enjoy or one that helps others. They get to actually live and experience the typical platitudes of 'what life is all about': family, love, goodness, doing what you want to do, helping others.
Why would they want to change anything?
Most feminists are closed off from this (ugly, lesbian, etc.) or have just been memed really hard, so they seek to enter the modern man's tragedy of blind careerism.
I'm actually very glad I was raised in it. Realizing literally your entire framework for understanding your experience and the universe is bullshit during your formative years made me open-minded and caused me to develop an interest in philosophy.
The sex deprivation was probably a big factor in me developing worthwhile hobbies as well desu
well hey, good for you man. i know too many mormons who blindly believe everything they're taught despite the fact that the religion has been all but definitively denounced as bullshit. most of them are women though
>short succint Plato quote evinced as example of not using ad hominem
>WELL SOMETIMES THE CREDIBILITY OF THE SPEAKER IS RELEVANT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! FUCKING PLATO I CAN ONLY ENGAGE WITH WHAT I'VE BEEN GIVEN JEEZ
The important thing is you avoided reading books.
I hear tell Merkel is Catholic?
Orwell was an insider and I believe his works are best described as predictive programming. Helping the totalitarian wet dream come to fruition.
I think if you write off half the human race you are just asking for trouble. The Abrahamic religions have more or less done this. What is happening today is just a natural and healthy reaction to 2000 years of suppressing half of 'man-kind'. Don't get me wrong, I am not a feminist, it all looks painful, but man will reap what he sows.
>I hear tell Merkel is Catholic
Merkel is literally a childless atheist who was very active in East German Communism. She probably informed on people for the Stasi.
>suppressing half of mankind
Why do feminists pretend that raising children and cleaning a house is literally worse than the Holocaust. Meanwhile, men had to fight and die in wars. Women got conned into thinking wageslave jobs are nobler than raising families by cultural Marxists and rabid (mostly Jewish) feminists.
Basically all the old guys that retire in my line of work have died within the year of their retirement, this shit eats you and if you dont stay active your body cant cope with the fact that it no longer follows a routine and quits.
>men had to fight and die in wars
Lol I love this argument because it's so fucking brainless. Men chose to fight in wars and made the women stay at home and take care of the children. Some people had to stay home and the men decided that the women should be the ones to do it.
Women should have the same opportunities as men. If that means working "wageslave jobs" then they should have that option.
>hurr women had it easier than men
That's because men made it that way
You and I both know that Women weren't just forced to raise Children and cleaning a house. Female Infantacide, forced marriages, honor killings, having their lives either controlled by their Fathers and Brothers, or their Husbands. There's no positive way you can spin all that.
>There's no positive way you can spin all that.
The reality you depicted is preferable to one wherein weak-minded women are allowed to hack away at the pillars of civilization with their obscene ideologies and voting tendencies. Women would even be happier with more structure in their lives than they are now with dead-end "careers" and the sensation of their wombs withering away on the vine.
I could go for an arranged marriage at this point to be quite honest, family. Not that it matters what people want anyway. Women are here to bear children and this should be all the fate they need.
Happiness isn't the issue here. It's choice and autonomy. Women should still be able to choose to have careers, even if it makes them unhappy. If they truly thought choosing being homemakers would make them happy instead, then more power to them.
the political leaders chose to go to war
You want to tell me that every single drafted 18 year old kid went in all gung ho ready to kill for unknown (often irrational) political reasons?
But no, please, bitch about not being able to be sent away a hundred times further from home than you've ever been only to die cold and alone in a foreign land for a cause you didn't understand.
Women didn't feminize men. Changes in Western culture made ideals of "manliness", which most often spring early on a civilization's history to enable the initial period of settling and expansion, obsolete. The modern feminist movement is not even fucking close to the first of its kind on history. In fact, almost all great civilizations become more liberal and "enlightened" near their fall, because it essentially signals that the culture which made the original rise to power (most often by taking down a older empire by force or by settling on uncharted lands, which leaves little time for people to worry about social justice or such other things) possible no longer exists. On the up side, it's on these periods that most important academic advances are made, and they're the best times to live for the general population.
European Queens Waged More Wars Than Kings
(and I know that people who use the words "heteronormative scum" are just b8in)
Women have exorbitant power over men in society. It boils down to "we will only fuck men who meet our criteria" and lesser degrees of ostracism.
So all it takes for a landslide of social change is a small amount of unity between women and a few men to support them opening the floodgates. It is an invisible force as old as the hills.
The last few weeks there's been so much of this fucking /pol/-tier shitposting about women and lefties and cultural Marxism why can't you cunts just talk about fucking books instead of coming here acting like the biggest redditors in the room shitting on everything and then asking us, bewildered, BUT WHY ARE YOU MAD FOR TELLING THE TRUTH HERE HAVE SOME MORE STATISTICS GET REDPILLED I hate you all so much you mouthbreathing turtle egg bastards you are what has killed 4chan.
Eh, most of the times people bring up all the women are evil and vaginas give them unlimited powers things there's usually also a lot of samefagging and circlejerking going on. i wouldn't worry too much
> in american society it's fashionable to be a walking, talking clone of the system. it's disgusting
You hate tradition and healthiness because you are unhealthy and ill-constituted
As to you
False, tons of asians with blue hair and retarded habits at my very liberal school whereas my white girlfriend is right wing. You're just a weebfag
You are extremely naive and dont know much history at all
Orwell was a sniveling cunt, fuck him.
Yes, most women are God / system worshipers. It's part of their sexuality to worship, and like it was pointed out already in this thread, their sexuality / bodies do not encourage them to seek refuge in new, niche territory.
But women have little power in the world, and those religions / systems were always governed by men. Women are good at empowering systemizers. And there is nothing to despise them about, unless you're afraid of them (i.e. you have a weak masculinity), and this somehow threatens you.
>Women are good at empowering systemizers
whatever. saying that is literally just rewording it to make it sound like a compliment rather than a criticism. the fact is that they will 'empower' any God or system that they are exposed to without using any critical thinking. this gives a ton of power to flawed systems and false Gods
>being fit and having children
where the hell are you getting this from? I was criticizing the patriotic, cowboy boot, starbucks coffee 'country girl' stereotype that so many girls eagerly identify themselves as
>according to their sex
they are not acting in the biologically normal way. there isn't a hormonal female instinct that makes them drink starbucks or prefer trucks over cars. their behavior is based entirely on social influence. american social norms are created and perpetuated by the bourgeoisie and mass media
This thread is really scaring me. Do you guys actually think all this stuff? I can't tell if you're joking. I got recommended this site by somebody in my local alt-lit scene but I didn't realize you were all such repulsive misogynists
Good, tell me how Achmed's cock tastes
1. What is bad about that behavior 2. I mean't females follow female norms in whatever society they grow up in from instinct 3. the "bourgeoisie" wants them to listen to rap and date outside their community 4. What else is there to listen to than the "media" (as if there is one narrative in the media) today? The Christian church is dead and the globalists won't allow any nation-based aristocracy or political leader. What should they do, look to lesbian professors from Manhattan for their social norms instead?
I've been here since the start of /lit/, and I think these nutjobs are really serious about what they say. Ever since Stormfront made a conscious effort to spread its shit here 4chan has become a hotbed of braindead conspiracy theory stuff.
if this is really your situation and isn't bait:
learn to use the catalog to find the threads that aren't going to attract obvious idiots
learn to ignore posters that aren't talking about books but rather personal ideology or blogging personal failures (many of these posters are from other boards -- particularly /pol/ and /b/ which are a nazi containment board and a furry pornography board, respectively, and come to /lit/ to push their agenda on what they see as "marxists")
I feel like todays society is like 1984 in the general context. Just like in the book in modern society average people are just pawns of the government who partake in useless wars and spy on their citizens
>feminists handing out white feathers to 16 year old boys
>'mothers of the nation' demanding men join up
your identity politics is amusing, somehow an underage kid being forced to die horribly thousands of km away from home for no decent reason is acceptable and even justified so long as the 'blame' rests with people that share the same gender. Pathetic pleb reasoning
>That woman is by nature intended to obey is shown by the fact that every woman who is placed in the unnatural position of absolute independence at once attaches herself to some kind of man, by whom she is controlled and governed; this is because she requires a master. If she, is young, the man is a lover; if she is old, a priest.
It's fucking scary how that short essay so completely captures the essence of women.
As you grow older and more experienced every word in it just rings truer.
If you internalize everything he says in that essay not only you, but all the women in your life will be happier.