First time on /lit/ and all I see are dead white men. Can we discuss our favourite non-white authors?
I'm a massive fan of Chinua Achebe, Ben Okri and James Baldwin. Im about to start reading A brief History of Seven Killings by Marlon James anyone here read it?
Also Female Authors.
I've recently learned that Samuel Delany is black, very surprising (and homosexual but that was no surprise). Nova was very meta and pretty OK, I still haven't understood Dhalgren. Is there anything besides Dhalgren one has to have read by Delany?
I didn't know that Octavia Butler was black either.
What I've realised is that Ive mostly only read dead white men, Im just wanting to see if anyone on /lit/ can recommend good literature that was written by others, The works of Achebe/Okri and Baldwin can't really be compared to what Ive read before.
I think this notion of diversifying one's reading habits would be somewhat less pathetic if people focused on cultures rather than ethnicities. It's actually pretty racist to lump in Marlon James with Chinua Achebe just because they're both black.
That said, if you want to read another African writer, consider Thiong'o. If you like Okri then I think Wizard of the Crow would be your best bet to start with, although I feel A Grain of Wheat is the superior novel.
Ops pic. It's about the rise of a crime lord and has aspects of Jamaican nationality. It is not a book about race, except maybe to mock white cia agents at times, but they are really dirty Americans from the 50s
identify politics SJW fags always say "i just want to be diverse and not only read dead white men," but if you recommend them asian authors they'll always find some excuse to not read them before going back to whining about a lack of black authors under the disguise of diversity.
fuck off. you don't want "others," you just want a different kind of homogeneity
I ignored this thread for a while because of the way OP worded his post, then a couple hours later came to see if there might have been actual serious replies.
Unsurprisingly my first hunch was mostly correct
We have a thread where we're sharing whole collections, for example, Pushkin Press and Twisted Spoon Press. They all cover fairly unknown eastern european authors (polish, ukranian, lithuanian, etc). Tons of women too. Of course, to actual racist pieces of shit like OP, it doesn't matter at all, they're still white, because they only give a fuck about skin colour. But what the fuck does a pole or a lithuanian have in common with a white american? Nothing. If you want diversity, go read authors from small european countries, not more fucking north-americans, be they white, black, yellow or green.
Valid point. Assuming 'white' and 'black' designate a kind of biologically-grounded identity that took off in the 19th century, or biologically+culturally grounded identities that were big in the 20th and 21st, it's clearly anachronistic to call Dante or Shakespeare 'white'.
Massive fan of Achebe? What are your favourite works?
I've only read Things Fall Apart and found it trite and mediocre. The entire father/son thing was a bore and a cliché, the struggle between conservatism and progression has been done a thousand times before. The only slightly redeeming aspect was the ending, which was, admittedly, quite great.
Well, the "biologically-grounded" "white" of the 19th century is nothing like the contemporary "white". It basically meant "northern Europeans", with the southern ones being the "Mediterranean race".
And if you go back another century, "white" == Anglo-Saxon. Here's Benjamin Franklin in 1751:
>Why should Pennsylvania, founded by the English, become a Colony of Aliens, who will shortly be so numerous as to Germanize us instead of our Anglifying them, and will never adopt our Language or Customs, any more than they can acquire our Complexion.
>Which leads me to add one Remark: That the Number of purely white People in the World is proportionably very small. All Africa is black or tawny. Asia chiefly tawny. America (exclusive of the new Comers) wholly so. And in Europe, the Spaniards, Italians, French, Russians and Swedes, are generally of what we call a swarthy Complexion; as are the Germans also, the Saxons only excepted, who with the English, make the principal Body of White People on the Face of the Earth.
As ridiculous as it is to call the Swedes dark-skinned, it seems to me no less ridiculous than saying Rushdie is not white. The (culture, skin hue) clustering has changed completely through time and in a completely arbitrary manner...why should we take the current iteration more seriously than any of the previous ones?
>tfw Brief History is still too new and written by a black author, so it isnt being consumed by /lit/ at even the same rate as Franzen, despite being 10x any of his books and probably the best contemporary fiction in the last 10 years.
>tfw it will be years before we can have brief history conversations that extend past "this book is only popular because the author is a queer nigger"
I just finished Open City by Teju Cole. It was fine. The prose did all the heavy lifting and the characters and plotting seemed weak and somewhat forced. It felt like watching a one man show instead of a full play. All in all, since it was so short, it wasn't a terrible experience.
I started Americanah by Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie yesterday. I'm only 30 pages in but they were an enjoyable 30 pages. It seems like it'll be a quick read, and I'm a sucker for love stories so hopefully it'll be a good read as well.
Next I'm gonna hopefully finish Americanah and get through A Little Life by Hanya Yanagihara in the break I have next week, but that's probably unlikely. A Little Life sounds fantastic, though, and I'm hella excited for it.
Then I'll be taking a seminar in later British literary tradition, so it's back to dead whiteys for me. At least I got a little bit of a culture break.
Ralph Ellison and Toni Morrison, that's the good shit...Toni Morrison is like a black American Hermann Hesse, and Ellison's shit is dank shizzle.
Brief History is p good, and u learned the jamaican patois grammar by the time u finished.
>irish were never considered white, and their ties to ancient egypt are probably true
ties to ancient egypt? the irish are aryan u fuckwit, the I sound in Irish is the same in Iran, derived from proto-indo-european word for noble, they were probably the far edge of the pre-historic aryan empire and diaspora, then def didn't have diddly to do with egypt tho
Uhhhhh I wouldn't compare Morrison and Hesse at all. Very distinct from one another. I do very much like Morrison, however.
I've read a few but fuck if I can remember them all. They're mostly Westernized though, so if they aren't talking about black culture in America, race doesn't usually come up (with exceptions, like Jhumpa Lahiri)
> if people focused on cultures rather than ethnicities.
Also this. Culture is the more impacting factor than mere race imo.
They are all hacks leave and never come back.
A Little Life is terrible. Could have been half as long, Yanagihara can't write realistic male characters, let alone homosexual ones. Most of the book is misery porn; it tries very, very hard to make you sad with little substance otherwise.
Tales of Navaryon is one of the best fantasies I've ever read
got modern storytelling, but sentences that give you orgasms and doesn't fuck around with hiding "ideology" that lots of fantasy does