>>7626004 A big fan of Pynchon, but I'd call him a 'juvenile' author without hesitation. Even Pynchon has referred to his works as juvenile. He is a fun writer, a clever writer, a writer who recklessly tackles impossible questions, who dances around grand ideas of apocalypse, and couches everything in sex and drugs and slapstick humor. He's still a great writer, one of my favorites. But like Paul Auster called him, he's a 'boy writer'. He's mark Twain for the pot smoking 20something and those wishing they still were the potsmoking 20something.
>>7626045 i can agree with this. juvenile doesnt mean that he's not a genius, it just means it lacks the same nuances more serious and mature literature has. it's complex, but still juvenile. people have every right to enjoy Pynchon, but they can't pretend that he's an author on par with Gaddis, for instance. I think a lot of it is people confusing complexity for depth.
>>7626045 not the anon you were replying to, but i always considered it like this. Pynchon is high culture writing on typically low culture topics. it's the blending and merging of worlds that might allow him to be considered juvenile
Pynchon's great mistake was pretending he didn't take himself too seriously for way too long while taking himself way too seriously for way too long.
It's no secret he cares deeply about his legacy, but it's really starting to show as he gets older. His last few decisions have made it clear that it's unquestionably at the forefront of his mind. He's trying too hard to be more accessible and out of his comfort zone and doesn't know what to do. He can't figure out how he wants to be remembered.
Look at how everything has played out since 2003.
In 2003, Harold Bloom makes his 4 greatest living American writers statement, naming Pynchon, McCarthy, Roth, and Delillo. Well, Roth hasn't done much of note since. Delillo's put out a few, but nothing strong enough to transcend or be recognizable in the general public consciousness. That leaves McCarthy and Pynchon.
Pynchon does the Simpsons thing in 2004. Everybody laughs, of course. But McCarthy puts out No Country in 2005. No Country, the book itself, isn't widely well received, even by Bloom. But he puts out The Road in 2006 and THAT explodes. It explodes so much, McCarthy's giving an interview to Oprah. I mean, my Aunt fucking read it and trust me when I tell you, she's not Cormac McCarthy's target audience.
Meanwhile in 2006, Pynchon puts out Against the Day, his longest novel ever. It's okay received by critics, but it wasn't particularly noteworthy on the marketplace or in the critics eyes next to McCarthy's shortest novel ever (I think).
2007 adds insult to injury. McCarthy wins the Pulitzer for The Road, and then the movie version of No Country not only wins Best Picture, but it starts leading "best of the decade" lists. Everyone is talking about McCarthy. He's now at the forefront of your average literary fiction readers mind, and at least on the fringe of the general fiction readers mind.
So then what? Pynchon publishes Inherent Vice in 2009. Arguably his most accessible work. Movie rights? For Pynchon? The movie even comes with a rumor that he has a cameo? Still, not much comes of it.
2013 he publishes Bleeding Edge, another ultimately described as "Pynchon Lite." The IV movie lands in 2014 to nothing compared to No Country.
Say what you want, but the case for McCarthy has picked up steam. Hell, Suttree is starting to be heavily reread and show up everywhere. McCarthy has The Passenger coming this year, his first in 10 years. I refuse to believe this isn't bugging the shit out of Pynchon. None of his books or decisions have been coincidence. He's trying to please too hard.
Who knows what he has left in him? There's no doubt he's a god damn genius, but he's definitely slipping or confused about where to go with his work.
Personally, I think he should just stick with what he does best and go back to his roots. His legacy is cemented in everyone's mind that matters and he's just chasing the ghost.
>>7626157 ah yes, McCarthy, another shit writer. Popularity does not connote the quality of an author. Eventually when someone of actual worth finally comes out within the next 40 years, who is an actual genius, no author other than Gaddis will be remembered with any serious critical praise. The writers thus far in this century are so many clumps in the catbox.
>>7626324 huh? you're making us look bad, bruh. i was shitting on pynchon, by saying what talent he had was wasted, and he responded that it was wasted on me. i responded with my original statement. i am in defense of pynchon being a juvenile turd bulletin.
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