Is being an ugly and pallid white guy a requirement to get into the antinatalist club?
Come on I bet you want to lick Ligs pretty ass. Just admit it
Antinatalism is an ethical conclusion/thesis reached via certain paths of justification: outside 4chan, where it not merely a "meme", it's taken with the utmost seriousness and it has nothing to do with the character of those philosophers who argue for this position. Your infantile logic seems to suggest that you'd also judge all "nerds" (construed intuitively, of course) to be virgins (any isomorphic analogy will do).
>If you are attractive and living a good life you're probably less likely to explore philosophy in general
Only if you're dumb enough though, smart pretty people get fucked over by conciousness as well.
This is my first exposure to this area of thought so I apologize for my naivety, but what would be a (general) antinatalist justification for preserving one's own life, especially with an antinatalist's own awareness of these concepts? It seems that if one is either a proponent of this idea in the interest of preventing environmental degradation or simply the perceived disparity of happiness to suffering the most rational and/or ethical conclusion would be to simply take one's own life and end these negative systems.
>preserving one's own life, especially with an antinatalist's own awareness of these concepts?
I don't think you know what antinatalism stands for. It argues that giving birth to a child is immoral, and not about taking one's life.
I understand that, but isn't part of the rationale for this the perceived disparity in (or our subjective feeling of) suffering and happiness? It just seems that if one is to extend these ideas it would follow that suicide would be the necessary correction for this disparity if human life is a net negative.
That's a bit like saying 'if global poverty bothers you this much, why don't you get a good job?' It's an ethical matter beyond mere personal preference.
That and taking life is a thing wholly different from preventing the creation of life. They're like abortion and celibacy, respectively.
As far as Ligotti, I know that he believes suicide does not make a difference.
It does not go far enough, to do it properly you would need to remove yourself from existence. As far as we know, this is impossible.
This set of essays might be a nice introduction.
I mean that if someone commits suicide they will still be here, the organs stop working but the body remains. Even after it all decomposes the matter is still there.
You have to think from the perspective that humans are only a result of genetics and influence of the environment. The idea of "you" is an illusion. Humans are just biological machines.
Then from that perspective you can see that suicide is utterly meaningless. Nothing is changed at all.
By "remove from existence" it means that someone somehow can escape all of this. Go beyond reality into pure nonexistence.
As far as how someone should do that or what that would be like, no one has any idea.
>tfw antinatalism has already won
>tfw the only thing left to haggle about is the extinction date being sooner rather than later
>tfw breeders are on the wrong side of history
Different branches of Buddhism, but if we go back to the OG, yeah, the point of Buddhism is to escape from the cycle of life (and rebirth) which causes suffering. So it could be said it overlaps with antinatalism.
Suicide makes for a different ethical argument beyond antinatalism. There are so many reasons why someone might take their life that do not involve a stop to procreation.
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Yes, the better part of the world, largely responsible for technological and artistic strides done the last two hundred years.
What will be left when they go extinct?
Niggers, Islam and Pooloos. What a great way of reducing suffering in this universe.
>actual counterexample to antinatalism
Why would I need a counterexample? If people don't want to have kids but are so narcissistic that they need to build a movement around justifying it that's up to them. Most people at least have the humility to just say "I don't want kids." Good for them. Banging on about the future of the species as if you have any significant stake in it is a joke.
The species will continue for a while, and then it will end. Arguing about it is like arguing about the heat death of the universe.