What does /lit/ think of Julis Evola?
Do you think that his commentary on the spirituality of race, particularly on the Semites, was
I completely disagree with his politics and philosophy, but I think a lot of it is consistent and well written so I can see the appeal. There are a lot of complete retards who regurgitate his quotes everywhere tho so I generally don't find discussion about him to be positive in any kind of way
I have lived amongst the Jews in NYC. They get up, go to work, and keep their lawns nice. They are respectful and hard-working, and certainly arent all getting stipends from the Elders of Zion. They occasionally have a persecution complex and tend towards tribalism, and I cannot deny that, but I have never seen a Jew act as evola says: Jews "destroy every surviving trace of true order and superior civilization," and that, "above all, in these decisive hours of western history, [the Protocols tract] cannot be ignored or dismissed without seriously undermining the front of those fighting in the name of the spirit, of tradition, of true civilization."
That said, Israel is a shitty country, and Jews do seem sometimes preoccupied with wealth as a means of showing up their peers, but I haven not noticed a racial spirit of debauchery
like VAST majority of blacks have
That's a fair argument, but I think he was talking about the intrinsic spirituality and philosophy of Judaism as it is represented and utilized by culture and society than the actual Jews themselves.
For instance, I hate Judaism, but I don't hate any singular Jewish person or the Jews as a whole for that reason alone. I will judge them on character, just as I would any other set of peoples.
I just dont conflate judaism with marx and freud, and the handwringing about materialism is just a leftover piece of ancient anti-semitism rising from usury laws. There is nothing anti-materialistic in pre-modern pre-inclusion europe, quite the opposite.
From what I see, Judaism means following "the law" as stated by moses and post second temple rabbis, going to temple on fridays to ask for gods protection and give your submission to him, and keeping his commands and holy days as interpreted by your sect. The secular jews I've seen that are greedy as fuck arent being jews, theyre being avaricious shits.
I really wish we could talk about an author without his views on fucking jews being make-or-break for plebs. He's not calling for violence, he's not trying to rally the troops together, he's totally against political solutions to spiritual ills etc
OPs question was specifically Evola's views on Race and Semites in particular.
Not to mention that Evola's views on the degeneracy of society always circles back to the influence of a degenerate Judaic spirit, which of course in his time was only about 60 years previously refused citizenship and high office in Prussia. Its the same shit as Cato the Elder complaining about degeneracy, except the results were far more vile.
Judaism being about following "the law" and the Jews being "the people of the book" conceals a very dark tendency in the Jewish spirit to use hermeneutics invert the intended operation of a laws in their favour. It is their tendency to use their intellect to find loopholes that make them defilers of natural law
"Racism" is just zoological materialism as Trotsky said. By postulating spiritual attributes that inhere to races you give people of ignoble birth the opportunity to improve their situation intergenerationally through miscegenation with their spiritual racial superiors. The fact that men of all races pursue white women should show that the latter are the most "pure" of all categories of being on this planet. But while white women are a source of spiritual salvation to "honorary whites" (East Asians, aryan indians, Persians etc) the unchecked dilution of the white race will ultimately spell the spiritual destruction of the human species
...what does that mean?
In the same apartment complexes as them? In their subsection of neighborhoods? In a borough with them? Were they religious jews or secular ones?
There's too much to be desired in order to evaluate the credibility you wanted to gain from "I have lived amongst the Jews in NYC."
Fucking Christ, this is delusion
No I don't need to try to argue with you I'm just letting anyone lurking who sees this to understand they're not the only one baffled
Ur crazy m8
>lived in NYC
>isn't even a little bit anti-Semitic
For fuck's sake, mate... I grew up on Long Island. I'll just leave it at the fact that my experience with our happy merchant friends was very different from yours.
The worst are the horror stories I've heard from Jersey, when Jews start moving into a neighborhood on a massive scale, harassing their neighbors to leave so relatives can move in, refusing to do business with non-jews, subsidizing Hebrew schools with taxpayer money, etc.
Obviously it's not really an excuse to hold any prejudice against individual Jews who you haven't met; I'd even say that the majority of Jews are good people. Most of my friends growing up were Jews (welcome to Long Island), and it wasn't a big deal. If anything, it was them who treated me differently, not vice versa. Of course I would crack a few Shoah jokes here and there and they'd call me a dumb Polack and that would be the end of it.
However, that doesn't change the fact that the Jewish race has had a definitive negative effect on Western civilization.
I haven't actually read anything of his yet, though I do plan to.
I was brought to him by stumbling across a picture of him used as a reaction image, and I merely happened to enjoy his face and inquired as to who he was through reverse image search.
I read a few things on him, and thought I'd ask /lit/ how they felt about him, as he seems to be quite an ambiguous and fraught figure in history.
that's...not a lot to go on. what is your experience with philosophical authors? religous/spiritual topics?
i would go in having a decent grasp of at least one religous tradition. choose one that is actually close to you, read some of its philosophical theological literature.
read some rene guenon as well. he was an influence on evola, and he is mentioned occasionally in evola's writing. try "crisis of the modern world", its very acessible.
how is your grasp of western philosophy?
im pretty new to evola myself. started reading him around spring of last year.
Why are you so interested in asking what I've read?
Philosophically? Plato, Aristotle, Nietzsche, Camus, Satre, Kant, Hegel, some others who I can't recall at the moment, I'm sure.
I'm relatively familiar with the Western canon. I've read Homer, Ovid, Dante, Shakespeare, etc.
eh, i dont see what that post has to do with anything. no one needs to know about judaism. if you are curious on some point however im "qualified" to answer questions.
just wondering what evola's appeal to you was given that you hadnt read him before. i cant remember what initially drew me in but what i eventually found most appealing in evola were the solutions he offered to some of the dilemmas nietzsche poses in his thinking, and they way he kind of restores metaphysics its dignity and puts it in a proper context.
Nietzsche and Heidegger first. Also Evola is pretty much commentrary on Guenon's traditionalism. Read Revolt against the modern world and Men amongst the Ruins before going onto Ride the Tiger
I read that he liked Oscar Wilde (who is my favourite writer) and I decided to explore him further.
And, despite being quite left leaning, I have some right viewpoints and I wish to explore them further. Typically about the state of society.
I'm Irish, my neightbour lived in New York for years and he grew to hate them, he never had any experiance with them beforehand. Said they were supremicist, condescending and dishonest
really? he likes oscar wilde? ive never seen him mention him yet. it doesnt sound like his typical subject matter lol. thats what brought you to him?
left leaning and right leaning, huh? kind of like some kind of socialist with a nationalist streak? just messin with ya (but not really).
im finding it hard to believe that you are reading evola because of oscar wilde though lol
I don't have a strong enough grasp on economics to describe myself as a socialist or communist, et cetera. All I know is that I support equity and egalitarianism, but admire the Ancient Romans and their nationalist identity that gave every common man a common purpose - a drive that excelled them through life feeling content and driven.
I'm the sort of atheist who mourns being an atheist because I think that, fundamentally, religion is good for man and helps him cope with the troubles in life.
I admire the virtues, excellence and strength that unites mankind under more 'right' governments, but I also think that freedom and the right to be an individual is incredibly important.
And, yeah, anyone who mentions Oscar Wilde in a positive light is good in my books. He was a beautiful, poetic man.
evola and oscar...i dont see a resemblance there, and i dont think you will either once you start reading him. but about the romans and all that. i fuckin know that feel.
as far as religion being a means of coping. be prepared to challenge that belief, because evola makes the case for it serving another purpose altogether.
but yeah atheism is tragic, not "euphoric" lmao.
I think you're completely and utterly wrong, but okay.
Seems to match my life experience. If you've ever had the displeasure of knowing a Middle Eastern jew you'll see what he speaks of a little more clearly, especially if you are a stickler for honesty and manners. The American jew is pretty watered down, as are most Americans in relation to their heritage. They are a material, tribal people.
i cant understand even 5% of his crap
its prob better not to even bother anyway, he's been influenced by nietzsche and as far as i'm concerned schoppe already took a shit on all life affirmation so i'm going to assume he as well gets btfo'd
Ride the Tiger is an awful book. Evola became a bitter old academic after he was blown up while working for the Nazis. You need to look for his earlier books like Revolt Against the Modern World if you want something interesting and readable.
I lived in an enclave as a renter and had a jewish landlord. He invited me to sukkott with his family despite my gentileishness. He, his family, and his community were great people.
Perhaps, but it's only a useful book to read as a means of tempering the passions of someone already immersed in more active and revolutionary reactionary literature.
If you go straight from being a 21st century normie progressive to encountering Ride the Tiger, you'll just put it down and go on with life confident that traditionalism is a silly and lifeless thing.
>They are respectful and hard-working, and certainly arent all getting stipends from the Elders of Zion.
If you had even a cursory understanding of the Jewish Question, you wouldn't think counter-Semites think every single Jewish person is receiving orders from the Elders of Zion.
Read the Protocols, Kevin MacDonald's Trilogy, and the Talmud. That will provide you with an entrance to the Jewish Question.
Or don't, and just spout comfortable vagueness, completely missing the point and completely shrouding yourself in undeserved comfort.
>Ride the Tiger is an awful book
don't be so dismissive, there is a lot of great material in there.
his most interesting books that i've read are the yoga of power (on tantrism), the doctrine of awakening (on budhhism), and the metaphysics of sex. too often people forget his more "research" type books. He has a book on alchemy, on grail symbolism, etc. These are really great works, and he shows his true genius in these books.
his only books i ever see mentioned are revolt, modern man, and ride the tiger
ive already read yoga of power like three times, im obsessed. and doctrine of awakening is brilliant