Gay, Rape and Incest Edition
>What are you reading?
>What's your favorite story with a "gay, rape and incest" plot?
>What's your favorite Rape in Fantasy?
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>What's your favorite story with a "gay, rape and incest" plot?
all the rape in Berserk
China's probably gonna come back to it, badly, and you never know when Stephenson or Gaiman might step in for it.
Honestly I think it died with Pratchett. We'll keep getting D&D novels, but we'll probably see fantasy going more literary with Gaiman et al. on one hand and coming back to its roots, Vance, Wolfe, and Lovecraft fans, on the other. Medieval stasis is I think definitely dead.
for scifi fans highly recommend Peter F Hamilton
I guess what I mean is something along the lines of fantasy historical fiction. A realistic setting in Europe sometime between the 1400's and 1700's, but in an alternate history timeline.
I'm still not getting it. So you want real, historic Europe with magic in secret? You want real, historic Europe except magic is everywhere and Henry VIII has a court magician, and somehow history progressed as in our timeline? A European version of Alvin Maker or Frontier Magic? Are you asking for mandatory alt-renaissance fiction that has already been published? Not enough info.
So I've read The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings; the first 3 books in A Song of Ice and Fire; the Dark Elf Trilogy; The Colour of Magic.
What else should I read? I picked up The Name of the Wind tonight but I'm not sure if I should read something else first. What fantasy is "more essential" than TNOTW?
Pity he can't write a decent ending. All that amazing buildup, and I can't think of a single ending that wasn't rushed and unsatisfactory.
Don't get me wrong, I'm a real big fan, and it's great sci-fi, but it's like you're edging for hours, then lose the erection just before release.
This shit was asked in the previous thread and I'll say it again here. Farseer trilogy.
It's entry level, but not in a shallow way, and it remains amazing no matter how much fantasy you've read before.
Sorry, guess I should have explained better.
My setting is this: sometime in renaissance Europe 10-20 years after the visitation of divine beings to Earth. And by divine beings I mean literal angels and/or a Jesus like figure. Hence the fantasy alt-history bit. Does that make sense ?
I would imagine the bible would be a good place to start.
Because he is an Engineer. Sanderson writes his stories around his magic systems, whereas most write their magic around their story. He just really likes making complex and fleshed out magic.
Yea, I already know about The Bible, history books, and Tolkien. I've been reading all that
But are there any good "realistic" fantasy books out there? Just looking for general plot/character inspiration. I suppose I better read GoT just because it's so popular. I admit one thing I like about it is the sparse use of magic
>Now they could understand the gutturals of the black men.
>"Our brothers are already assembled at the pit," said one. "We have had no luck. I hope they have enough for us."
>"Aram promised us a man," muttered another, and Conan mentally promised Aram something.
>"Aram keeps his word," grunted yet another. >"Many a man we have taken from his tavern. But we pay him well. I myself have given him ten bales of silk I stole from my master. It was good silk, by Set!"
>The blacks shuffled past, bare splay feet scuffing up the dust, and their voices dwindled down the road.
>"Well for us those corpses are lying behind these huts," muttered Conan. "If they look in Aram's death room they'll find another. Let's begone."
>"Yes, let us hasten!" begged the girl, almost hysterical again. "My lover is wandering somewhere in the streets alone. The Negroes may take him."
>"A devil of a custom this is!" growled Conan, as he led the way toward the city, paralleling the road but keeping behind the huts and straggling trees. "Why don't the citizens clean out these black dogs?"
>"They are valuable slaves," murmured the girl. "There are so many of them they might revolt if they were denied the flesh for which they lust. The people of Zamboula know they skulk the streets at night, and all are careful to remain within locked doors, except when something unforseen happens, as it did to me. The blacks prey on anything they can catch, but they seldom catch anybody but strangers. The people of Zamboula are not concerned with the strangers that pass through the city.
This is reminding me of the entire Germany\Sweden refugee thing.
There's plenty of translated xianxia if you like your protagonists doing drugs and barely winning every fight for a thousand chapters.
Anyway I'm sure Cixin Liu's success will get American publishers interested in more Chinese fiction. You only have to wait.
Sanderson nods respectfully towards it as he feeds his children using money from Tor, but he's always got something more interesting to say. Like in Stormlight Archives, where racism turns out to have been a pretty good idea all things considered.
I still daydream sometimes about Kowal getting microagressed and quitting his podcast. Just three dudes talking about S/SF again, none of these awkward filibusters about cultural appropriation.
I legitimately have no clue how so many multiple award winners have 3 lines on Wikipedia and none of their novels have a separate article; how the fuck are theses people winning popularity awards?
Maybe her books are good, I wouldn't know. Has anyone here legit read a Kowal book? They're regency romances with magic or something, and a contractually guaranteed Bechdel-approved conversation and no damsels in distress.
I've been reading Mistborn and its good and all so far but this shit drives me crazy.
Every other page has frowning thoughtfully, frowning thoughtfully, frowning thoughtfully, shrug. shrug, rolls eyes, frowning thoughtfully.
I don't know why it bothers me so much, I guess just since its fucking everywhere.
Hoid tells them they might have a point in their eye color discrimination, for one. It could just refer to eye color coming from Shards, but never trust anything Hoid says to just mean one thing.
For another, the Parshendi/Parshmen. Really should have kept their distance on that one.
I've noticed Americans have trouble noticing the politics in Embassytown, but Britbongs immediately notice It's basically just "Conservatives are bad, vote labour you stupid goyim, I've been to the best private schools in one of the most expensive parts of the country so I know what's better for you".
>I've been to the best private schools in one of the most expensive parts of the country so I know what's better for you
>Voting labour ever
Cameron could literally drop-kick a pregnant mother and by the end of the week look better than Corbyn. Labour have been unelectable since they joked about bankrupting the country, twice.
Wait, wait, hold up, before you get into your limey-wimey lecturerant could you explain the politics in Embassytown? It's been a few years since I've read it and I've learned most of what I know of British politics since then. I still can't recall anything political. Were the non-twin ambassadors supposed to be Tories or something?
>This is reminding me of the entire Germany\Sweden refugee thing.
As it should. Because it's the exact same thing. Howard didn't have any personal experience with it, of course, but in 1920 guys coming back from Africa saying "man, the locals are really into rape" were believed instead of silenced.
There was a Ugandan rape gang at Bagram Air Field when I was there in 2011. Most of their victims were men. Apparently they were gone when I was back in 2013. What I'm saying is that the answer's yes.
But I'm /pol/tard scum and I liked it. The aliens were cool, the concept of linguistic heroin from the non-twin ambassadors' speech was super-interesting, and the whole thing was dressed in some neat SF ideas that were tactfully undeveloped along with some nice descriptions. I ate that book up.
Have anyone read The Old Axolotl by J. Dukaj? Is it good?
Apparently the part of the concept is that the novel is only published in form of a e-book. You can buy it on Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/The-Old-Axolotl-Hardware-Dreams-ebook/dp/B00UTUMM3E
The opinions I've heard to this point were saying that this time Dukaj somewhat restrained from making highbrow art and produced a more canonical sf. Knowing the opinion of a fellow e/lit/ist would be great tho, I've been planning to read it but don't have time at the moment. Also, getting more people interested in his books outside of Poland seems like a great strategy for getting his Lód finally transleted, which I've read in it's massiveness (about 1200 pages) and hate the impossibility to discuss it on the best avalible literature board, cuz noone knows Polish
>this guy thinks hes so important that he thinks he can come up with fucking writing laws
Asimov and Clarke were geniuses who were supet influential. Sanderson is some Mormon weeb who hot lucky.
Get a load of this faggot.
Anybody can come up with writing laws, many writers have personal ones they follow in some way. Sanderson just bothered to voice his and it's a valid one if you're writing anything with magic in it.
Tad Williams is currently writing new Memory Sorrow and Thorn Books. I loved the originals when I was much younger. Haven't tried them again since then so maybe its just nostalgia but I am hyped for the new stuff.
When it came out it was a different read, much of what it talks about was cutting edge. Reading it again now it does seem a little dated but I can still remember how mind blowing the concepts were at the time, the internet was a new thing talked about in the paper news and sometimes on TV and to see it's future visualised into a story was a big new thing.
>What are you reading?
Darkness that Comes Before. Seems sufficiently relevant to the thread.
>What's your favorite story with a "gay, rape and incest" plot?
Probably ASOIAF still, though the recent two books have been pretty poor and I have 0 hope of the series ever being completed.
>What's your favorite Rape in Fantasy?
There are probably better ones that I forgot about but
Julia's rape in The Magician Kingwas alright.
Planning on reading one of Randolph LaLonde's books, the first one's free but I don't know if I should just go for something I've heard good things about
Prince of nothing series.
Malazan book of the fallen
Night Angel series
There was a immortal series where there were 5 male gods, the youngest one was stolen by a demon and was lovingly raped everyday.... the demon used to skin him alive too, he couldn't die.
Bands of Mourning soon
Who expects Steris to actually do something this time besides be autistic on the sidelines?
She might be important in finding or discovering the answer to some significant problem based upon her observation skills. Who knows. At least she's falling for Wax and seems to be set up to become useful.
>yfw 4th book not for two years
Have any of yall read Michael Swanwick? I just finished the Iron Dragon's Daughter and I'm not sure if I liked it or not. I like the ideas behind it and the writing, but it was p repetitive and parts were a chore to get through (like the whole high school section). I love how it totally ripped apart derivative LOTR-esque fantasy tho
It basically subverted all the big major tropes you find in stuff like Jordan and Brooks. The setting was a weird modern-ish industrial world, the main character wasn't really anyone special and didn't try to save the world or anything and she does a bunch of p terrible shit without any kind of justification or redemption, nothing was really explained, and a bunch of other stuff I don't remember. Basically it took a bunch of fantasy archetypes and did a bunch of weird shit with them, kind of like evangelion did with giant robot shit
Evangelion took common tropes of the real robot genre and examined them (what situation would be so desperate and specific for an industrialized nation to put teenagers in control of giant robots? why use giant robots at all?) but that's not where it stopped. It was at its heart a story about relationships between people that don't want to have relationships but hate being alone.
From what you're saying, Iron Dragon's Daughter is basically Hunter S. Thompson with fantasy names and places. Not that there's anything wrong with that.
Eh I guess I didn't really word it correctly. I guess what I meant to say is it's set up to be a traditional fantasy story (orphan girl slaving away in a factory, getting out with the help of a dragon), but nothing really ends up the way a traditional fantasy reader would want it to end up. Instead of trying get revenge or go one some kind of personal quest she ends up living a pretty meaningless existence, and the dragon ends up being manipulative and cruel. It doesn't necessarily share the same themes as Evangelion, but it operates from a similar perspective, and shares a similar tone (dark, desperate)
Anyone read the short story where this guys disovers a hidden planet in the galaxy and *spoiler* all the people there fucking at any age and relation any time they wanted. But... it was a paradise. Forgetting the authors name, think it Hienlen.
Was there even any actual racism in SA? The parshmen weren't enslaved for fun, the parshendi were the ones to declare war on Alethkar and the only characters I can remember being actively hated for their skin color were the blue demon guys.
any censorship of literature is a no-no. we must fight this fire burning cult, even to ensure that the normies have the freedom to read whatever they wish. Luckily sjws don't know how to read so they can't ever tell if Patrish lit meets their standards.
>What are you reading?
The Lone Drow by R.A. Salvatore
>What's your favorite story with a "gay, rape and incest" plot?
can't remember any right now so I'm just going with Artemis Entreri in Road of the Patriarch
>What's your favorite Rape in Fantasy?
The Dune sequels written by Frank Herbert and Kevin J. Anderson.
Exactly, power levels fluctuate in it all the time just like DBZ, so you end up with wizards beating Gods.
Another similarity to DBZ is how most books are lots of meandering and slow build that should have been heavily edited down before working to an explosive & awesome climax.
>Implying Robert Silverburg needs to troll a Javanese puppetshow collective for sales
Nigga's old as fuck anyway.
Anyway >>7626118 I've heard very little bad about Silverburg's novels but I've only ever read a few of his short stories. I prefer to read consensus classics rather than risk wasting my time on some new writer, I really ought to pick up something of his. I guess this is as good a place to start as any.
I remember that one! Mostly how mad the designated non-utopian dude got when he found out the father and daughter were doin' it. And everyone's like, cool it dude, they're using birth control. And he's like, I have a very large head and loud voice, making me the stupid one in the political cartoon
>The Dune sequels written by Frank Herbert and Kevin J. Anderson
Are they really that bad? Just finished reading the first Dune novel. Should I continue reading, or was the first book the best?
I don't get what the image is supposed to represent. Those are all Polish books, most of them from Sapkowski (author of the Witcher). In fact, I don't know about the books but the games were recently under a lot of criticism from SJWs due to lack of people of color (they are based on european medieval setting and Slavic folklore, go figure).
>He became Liberal after studying Zen Buddhism
No he didn't, he expressed overtly conservative opinions until his death; even to this day people still bitch about his disdain for homosexuals.
Studying Zen doesn't automatically make somebody a Liberal.
Next Mistborn book will finish the Era 1.5 series (Wax and Wayne books) and the end of the trilogy that began with Shadows of Self. Modern Mistborn won't be until like 2022 or something stupid.
I opened Gardons of the Moon at the bookstore and read the first couple pages, then promptly put it back on the shelf. I dunno, maybe it's just me but the writing style seemed very retarded
JUST CAME HERE TO COMPLAIN ABOUT FOUNDATION
these books are terrible. I hate them.
I love Asimov, the smug bastard, don't get me wrong. I Robot is clearly the work of a genius. His non-fiction is awesome, also. I have a super cool analysis of the Old Testament that he did, and I love it.
FUCK FOUNDATION THO
It's written like this motherfucker's first draft. There are no characters. There is no plot. There is only rooms, and people sitting in rooms, and people... FUCK
1) characters enter a room and recap the plot up to this point, for a few pages.
2) one character notices a discrepancy.
3) the other character says AHA I have outwitted you
4) the first character says he was only POINTING OUT THE DISCREPANCY because he KNEW it was there, and therefore, he has outwitted the other guy!
5) somebody else shows up and says HEY. LOOKS LIKE YOU CHARACTERS HAVE BEEN OUTWITTED.
6) goddamn!! he outwitted us!!
7) not me. he didn't outwit me.
8) oh wait, he did.
EVERY CHAPTER IS JUST PEOPLE SITTING IN ROOMS DOING THIS
And none of it is exciting, because it's all contrived by the writer. It's almost brilliant how this is the PREMISE of the book, so one could argue that this is Asimov's point - that none of this is exciting, or intriguing, or worth anybody's time, because it's all just being made up by an long-dead fuckin genius, like it or not.
Fuckin Foundation. Fuck.
I sat down and read about 30 pages of The Blade Itself, book #1 of the First Law series.
Is it just me or does the writing style seem overly simplistic and the dialogue forced? Isn't it kind of weird that this brutal grimdark fantasy book has the writing style of a YA novel?
IMO, his style works better in his actual YA novels. So, yes.
Joe Abercrombie is super good at story structure, character, and is an imaginative, insightful writer in general. It's too bad his prose is so DnD.
Never liked this argument. Keep in mind, I'm a whitey myself, and I don't play much video games anymore, so I don't have a horse in this race, let alone a dark one. But, like, it's a fuckin fantasy world, in a roleplaying video game. It is not, ever, intended to be an accurate depiction of reality in medieval Poland. It's bizarre to me that this argument of "realism" only occurs in accusations of a too-white cast of characters. Like, do magic spells and fairies make sense in medieval Poland, but not black people? SEEMS PRETTY FISHY TO ME
Besides, there were tons of black people, and asian people, and all sorts of darks n browns in Medieval Europe, so it's not even an accurate claim.
But like, whatever.
>Old Testament right afterwards
I hope this is just poor sentence structuring.
But that's what the person who I replied to did.
> OMG, look. It's a nuclear power plant in the middle of a medieval fantasy world based on polish folklore
> That kinda breaks my immersion since that wasn't really a thing back in medieval Poland
> Fuck you, you anti-sjw cucked cunt. There are fucking Elves and shit and you are bitching about there being nuclear power!??! Jesus christ, it's totally the same as magic spells and fairies and isn't a giant anachronism thrown into the game with out any in-lore justification or reason. Deal with it #FeelTheBern
That's besides the point. The writers should be able to create the worlds they want to create without people complaining there isn't enough [insert minority here].
>Besides, there were tons of black people, and asian people, and all sorts of darks n browns in Medieval Europe, so it's not even an accurate claim.
Funny, such claims often seem like history revisionism to me. There were *some* but for sure not *tons*. I grew up in a Slavic country and the only black people I've seen IRL until I was grown were a few foreign exchange students when I visited the capital. I really can't imagine there being more minorities in middle ages.
>When It's easier to discuss a book on /pol/ than .t because the author isn't a transracial Marxist
As did a massive amount of other things that are rarely engaged with. Economics was massively important, the development of public debt, currency issuance and debasement and the massive witch's nest of different currencies used, the linguistic difference in conceptualizing money between the Romance-language fluid ideal and the Germanic solid ideal, but almost none of that is brought up in your average Polish fantasy novel because that's just not what it's about.
>but almost none of that is brought up in your average Polish fantasy novel because that's just not what it's about.
It probably should though, a lot of theses fantasy books are outright fucking crazy, your sword or whatever cost thousands of gold coins? how the fuck are you transporting this amount of currency? what's with the inflation, everything is so ridiculously expensive etc.
If you've been on 4chan and haven't been introduced to Spice and Wolf you've got something nice to look forward to. You can even read it, though I can't vouch for the translation quality.
I do remember that Geralt is pretty much always broke, and that when he buys armor he treats it well.
Eragon was slammed because Paolini would go for 500+ words on weapon descriptions. Unless you are a weapons buff, there's no need for that bloated information.
Unless the fantasy is geared towards merchants, like >>7628246 says in Spice and Wolf.
Good worldbuilding should not just dump information on you if the character from that POV doesn't understand the intricacies of stuff like microeconomics.
It's not inflation, that is why in tourney's knights would offer up their armor and weapons as ransom/restitution for loss because that was the most valuable, expensive thing they owned.
>It's a fantasy
If you're gonna use that logic, might as well make it to where everyone flies and shoots fire from their eyeballs because it's fantasy, right?
"Dude has a tan" is not as insane as "shoots fire from their eyeballs." It is in fact, less insane than just about any of the other fantasy elements in pretty much any fantasy story ever.
Nobody ever read Earthsea and said "I can't get immersed because I'm trying to picture a realistic representation of the british isles and I can't because the protagonist is black and THAT'S JUST TOO MUCH TO BELIEVE"
The idea that diversity needs to be "shoehorned" is a problem to me. I agree that people shouldn't (well, they can do what they want, I don't care) argue that a story is 100% bad if it is 100% white, but it is even more odd to me, logically speaking, to argue that having diversity in skintone alone would impair the work in some way. Gattaca being all-white makes sense. A third-reich style fantasy with an all-white cast makes sense. Based on what I know about The Witcher, Geralt could be brown, white, or orange and it wouldn't make a single difference in the develpment of theme, character, or world. It's not essential either, mind you, but to argue that a racial decision is arbitrary is not the same as arguing that it is essential.
I figured Earthsea was more of a southern Polynesia kind of place, like that one island where the Maoris ate everyone. And Le Guin had her races set up, too, the "barbarians" to the southeast that Ged tomb-raids in the second book were white people. There just weren't random white people hanging around Ged's islands, and if they were there was a reason for it.
The problem isn't that someone has a tan, the problem is that someone, sometimes Lancelot, has a tan, and everybody just treats him normally for it, nobody calls him a thick-lipped Moor, there's no mention that his father brought back an Ethiopian bride from the Crusades, or anything like that. The presence of races isn't what breaks immersion, it's the absence of racism.
And I mean casual racism. Not 19th-century American South racism that has to end with everyone realizing that racism is bad. Just an awareness, real awareness.
This would be preferable compared to the faux-logic "it's essential that they be white because of world-building!!" that fans tend to weep about.
Nobody is obligated to share the same political agenda as any particular one of their readers. Often a writer doesn't even think about race, and people assume white. Or, the writer assumes white, and doesn't realize it. Most of the time, these writers just go "whoops, we'll try better next time," which I'm told the creators of The Witcher games have actually done. It's only the fans that think whiteness is essential, and that creative vision is being threatened by people simply noticing.
>unironically using the word "whiteness"
>thinking a diverse cast is necessarily better
Don't you have a die-in to get to?
Anyway it doesn't matter what race they are as long as you can change it, years after the fact, after the movies said they were something else.
Even if this cynical idea is true, does it really matter?
Dumbledore is gay is pretty well supported in text, even if we agree that it should have been more explicit if Rowling wanted it acknowledged. So is black Hermione, for that matter.
But I doubt she pointed these things out after the fact to sell more books. I really, really really don't think JK Rowling needs help selling books at this point in her career.
Who even cares? Honest question.
You're playing right into her hands by getting up in arms about her pronouncements. Being so angry about Rowling declaring Dumbledore gay years after she did it just reinforces her position and makes you look sad for being unable to move on.
Why do you care so much whether the author expresses support for a progressive reading of the text? You can read the text any way you like. Lord knows the books don't explicitly make Hermione out to be black, or Dumbledore out to be gay - you can interpret the characters any way you choose.
Frankly, it seems like you're looking for something to be offended about at this point, and in that regard you're no better than the PC SJW crowd themselves.
I don't think you've got my point entirely.
>I'm arguing that in most works, the ethnicity of its characters are arbitrary or easily accounted for without breaking internal logic. Even if it does require a single line from a single background character to point out the difference, this is still an extremely minor price to pay.
>There are two arguments I see which excuse an all-white cast in a fantasy world.
I disagree, not with the sentence, but the underlying idea that an all-white fantasy world needs to be excused in any way. It doesn't.
The idea is that she was afraid a more obviously gay Dumbledore and black Hermione would have hurt her sales, but an all-white all-straight cast would have hurt her reputation among those she seeks validation from.
It's not that I care about gay Dumbledore. It's that Rowling didn't have the guts to make a gay man gay or a black girl black. Black Hermione would have been a wonderful character. She was white, because the cover art said she was and Rowling never in years complained. I honestly had not remembered Dumbledore at all in many years.
I just think it's a little cynical for an author to go, "look, she was diverse, see? It never said white skin!" years after. Saying, "that's a nice interpretation," that's great. But telling me I had the wrong interpretation, that what she told me wasn't true? She should have done that in a book. Novels aren't multi-media experiences.
I agree that it's a tremendous cop-out from Rowling for the sake of pandering to the progressive audience on both accounts, but I can't fathom why people are acting as though Rowling has issued a decree setting Hermione's race in stone.
As far as I know, literally all Rowling said was that she has no problem with a black actress playing Hermione because the character never had a specific race indicated in the book. Why, then, do some people seem to be acting like Rowling has engaged in revisionist manipulation of the canon to declare the character black?
has anyone on /lit/ read Worm or Twig? I'm a massive fanboy, but I can't talk to anyone about them. Tried recommending them to people, but nobody wants to read super long books in unusual formats.
I'm not sure if it's fantasy or science fiction. There are "magical" elements, but they are very well, consistently explained and not treated as a deus ex machina.
Both are published online.
Superhero story. What would the world really look like if there were people with superpowers? Very bleak, but also humanist. It's nearly a million words long and I've read it 3 times, start to finish.
1920s, alternative course of history. Science has taken a different direction. There are new breakthroughs every year. The British Empire spans half world, but without conflict, it cannot progress.
The main characters are designed as weapons with a short lifespan.
Much stronger writing than Worm, but still uncomplete. Basically a better version of Ender.
Worm is my fucking jam. Wildbow needs to hire a professional editor, put that story through the wringer, and get it in print. I firmly believe Worm could be absolutely huge if it hits the mass market.
Nigga those better wash my clothes and do the dishes. And there's already, like, a bunch of "real world with superpowers" books, some of them, in fact, very bleak. Now if you've read Soon I Will Be Invincible, we can talk about that.
>that scene where Dr. Impossible thinks the heroes have ambushed him in a cafe
I've read Soon I Will Be Invincible, and loved it, so you can believe me when I say that Worm is the definitive work in the "modern superhero novel" genre. The prose isn't the strongest, as it's a first draft written at absolutely breakneck speed, but the creativity in worldbuilding and usage of superpowers absolutely demolishes any other superhero work you'd care to name, Marvel and DC included. The characters are done very capably as well, though I don't deny that the magical spark of the world is the main draw of the series.
There's really nothing in the superhero genre like it. If the writer can properly revise the series, clean up the prose, and trim the fat, Worm has the potential to be a tremendous success.
Not him, but disregard Goodreads, it's quite a fun book. Don't go in expecting any creativity in superpowers - it's basically a Lex Luthor expy expounding on his relationship with a Superman expy while battling Justice League expies- but the main character is very well-done. His views on the heroes make for a real hoot.
Tattletale was probably my favorite, if only because weaponizing the traditional superhero mid-battle banter is a tremendously fun idea. I greatly enjoyed her incessantly shoving her nose where it didn't belong; she generated a lot of fun conflict.
Favorite hero would definitely be Vista.
I desperately want print versions of these works, but I do worry that Wildbow's not going to bring on a professional editor. As much as I love Worm, the quality really dips after
Taylor turns herself in,and plummets at the timeskipbefore bouncing back for the ending. He needs to basically cut the timeskip entirely and rework the earlier pacing to add in a bit more downtime,and I'm not sure if he's up to that without encouragement from a real editor.
I couldn't imagine Worm receiving a proper proofing, Wildbow is incredibly egotistical and couldn't accept that at least half of the chapters could be cut and it'd actually improve worm.
For me, the weakest moments were the first couple of arcs and the very end. Contessa sucks as a character and doesn't belong.
the part where
Taylor turned herself in (and eventually killed X)is my absolute favorite part. So much fucking tension and raw emotion.
I think it's the literary genre that's gone away from science fiction. Back in the day someone respected like Mary Shelley or Nathaniel Hawthorne would write a science fiction story just because they thought it was interesting, and critics would compare it with other works by the same author. I'd it was a small cadre of academics at first that stopped considering SF along with literature, possibly due to the trashy image of early 20th-century SF, and from there it just snowballed. HG Wells was considered a serious author. Arthur C. Clarke wrote the exact same kinds of things and he was stuck in the ghetto.
Fantasy at least has always been around. Homer and Shakespeare were both fantasy authors.
Anyone up for some short stories about a fearless schizophrenic protecting the Earth from Martians?
>When he got back to the little apartment, Clarence set about making a simple still from quarter-inch plastic tubing, a light bulb, two tin cans, Goop, a No. 6 cork, a Tums bottle and a two-quart plastic container. When he got it set up, he quickly distilled two ounces of very strong ammonia from the weak and soapy mess sold as a cleaner. While he worked he gleefully explained aloud to his guides every step and the impact of the project on the Martian invaders.
>Then he cut off all the match heads from the four cartons. He put them in a shallow bowl and poured boiling water over them. Next he stirred them until the potassium chlorate and sulfur making up the heads dropped away from the cardboard. He then scooped out the cardboard and put the bowl in the oven at its lowest heat to evaporate the liquid.
Red Rising, Pierce Brown. You won't regret it. Third book's coming out on the 9th.
We'd never agree on a calendar. Though if someone made one we would use it.
Well, I'm about halfway through discworld (just finished the fifth elephant) and I'm trying to stall as much as I can to space those books out as much as possible, and avoid firefly'ing it now that Terry passed away
So I'm always running out of minimally decent shit to read.
I need a recommendation for fantasy novel
I've read and liked: wheel of time, legent of drizzt, the cleric quintet, all of Anne rices vampire chronicles, all of Brandon Sanderson.
I didn't like the sword of Truth?, the malazan bored the crap out of me for 3 books.
Just need a new series or two
The blurb does make it look like YA trash. It's much better, though. The genetic supermen actually are genetic supermen, not someone Captain Kirk could beat in a fistfight. The obligatory Dystopian YA Future School is a valley with a bunch of castles in it so the students can practice empire building while their teachers fly around dressed like Roman gods, and acting like Roman gods and not intervening when they probably should. And the kids have these totally Roman battles, where sometimes they'll have a couple of their champions duel beforehand shouting their names at each other.
There's implied gay but since they're space Romans it's different. There's rape but no incest.
You'll enjoy Brent Weeks' Lightbringer series because it seems like he's attempting to clone Brandon Sanderson's plot tweests.
Sanderson also has a student - Brian McClellan - whose writing shares a few similarities with his own but the way McClellan handles everything is different.
Well Bakker discovered plot cryogenics. Plot developed at a glacial pace and nothing, it seemed happened - well of course other than the gay, rape and incest.
> I firmly believe Worm could be absolutely huge if it hits the mass market.
Not really. What made it relatively huge online was the release schedule. It had a lot of time to pick more and more people as it slowly progressed.
What the fuck was this? [Spoiler]"lel she wasn't real also your nemesis was a female all along too and maybe she's into you but it won't have any consequence because this is just a novella and we can't afford 5 more pages to wrap up the story!
I actually really liked it up until the ending, there were a lot of good parallels with current vidyagames (specially MMOs) too. Just the character relationships weren't fleshed out enough to make their conflict interesting.
Ok you sold me, imma give it a try. It's just you have to be suspicious when a book(by a new author at that) is shilled so heavily.
Like last thread a anon said that someone releasing a magical pirate assassins book, i was intrigued but I've been bitten too many times.
Like another anon said, Brent Weeks(all of the novels).
You could also try Kevin Hearne(Iron Druid) or Jim Butcher (steampunk cats, Dresden Files or Codex Alera)
If you like gay, rape and incest, try the Black Jewels Trilogy by Anne Bishop.
They are old, but also try the magic goes away and the Coldfire Trilogy.
What's some red pilled and or /pol/ approved anti sjw fantasy?
I'm just acting like a tool for the fun of it, my real question if there's some decent fantasy with little girls/young teen girl killing machines or a female lead who's practically like a demon?
Also is it worth continuing with Malazan after the first book?
Or rather, do the amount of characters start to feel manageable post the first book, it's quite a drag that if I haven't read for some months that I need to look up all the names again
Maybe I should just read more often
>What's some red pilled and or /pol/ approved anti sjw fantasy?
Book of the Long Sun explores why feminism, democracy and one party government suck and why a theocracy is good.
>I'm just acting like a tool for the fun of it, my real question if there's some decent fantasy with little girls/young teen girl killing machines or a female lead who's practically like a demon?
>Also is it worth continuing with Malazan after the first book?
If it already didn't make you vomit.
>Maybe I should just read more often
Also posting pic use it for new thread, it's pretty awesome.
>perform my regular quarterly check to see if there's any news on the sequel to The Rook after years of radio silence
>it's coming out in June
>and they're making a TV show
Well, when it rains, it pours, right?
I'm looking for a fantasy recommendation. I haven't read fantasy in a long time and I'm craving it hard. I'm looking for a high fantasy book with everything: men, elves , dwarfs, wizards etc., shadow words, magic, the whole shebang. If it's possible I'd also like it to include some politics. Any ideas?
So it looks like Threnody is almost cosmere aware (nazh aside); Elantrians had a fabrial (yellow gemstone = heliodor, for detection) destruction of the Pits interrupted interworld merchants.
The land/water inversion in shadesmar seems to be due to how people view death and water or something?
Also khriss, finally.
It seems to just be a thing with fantasy authors trying to write scifi in general. >>7630054 reminds me of the whole way that the soft scifi is handled in Coldfire. Most of it is pretty interesting with the incorporation of
literal Lamarckism as opposed to Darwinism with the Rakhbut once Friedman tries to incorporate scifi and fantasy together it ends up with handwaving especially Madoka tier glossing over the concepts like how coldsleep and rituals are actually supposed to workand a whole bunch of plotholes for example we are supposed to believe that Gerry's powers are supposed to be anti healing but a fuckton of 'healing', especially in medicine, consist entirely of killing whatever is bothering the person especially in non communicable diseases like cancer, infection etc. in fact, killing is how the immune system just werks.
The way that Sanderson handles the magic gives his writing strength, but hopefully he won't get worked up over how fantasy and scifi gel together and make the split awkward like in PS. I cringed over the 'you can get a fantasy domain or a scifi domain' concept.
You know what's interesting? how very few fantasy authors study actual history, religion etc. If they did they'd realize what they describe as a "Complex, well thought-out deep magic systems" is way way way less complicated than real-world practices.
Sanderson would never self-insert as his God expy.
I must say, having God literally speaking to the main character in the more recent Mistborn books has been a bit off-putting. I had hoped for more of the down-to-earth grit of Alloy of Law instead.
Anyone ever read any Greg Egan? I started reading this tonight and I'm enjoying it quite a bit. Sure, the writing isn't the greatest ever put to page, but the concepts he's playing with are interesting and presented well.
thaat'd be shakespear. his high fantasy is all about kings and queens being guided by celestial fate. many rape jokes and rapes and sodomy abound.
>wouldnt it be funny if we covered that guys virgin sister in shit then raped her?
Vurt by Jeff Noon is modern fantasy with the hero trying to find his lost sister/lover. There's a flashback scene where they're fucking.
Hild by Nicola Griffith ends with the main character marrying her half brother and getting the D.
both novels are fantastic for other reasons than the incest.
Piers Anthony's Bio of a Space Tyrant has some incest. Quality level: Piers Anthony
Are you talking about the Secret History novella?
Time to leave the gen until I finally read this fuckin' book.
>finally finish Black Sun Rising today
Nigga I ain't reading all those spoilers.
maybe Autonomy. Actually I don't know what the fuck Trell is aside from it being related to another Shardworld but I forget the exact specifics.
First time posting on this board. I really enjoy fantasy settings but I don't have too much under my belt. A few questions I guess.
How does this board feel about Sanderson? Has anyone read the black company? Anyone read Garth Nix?
I'm considering Farseer after I read the Wheel of Time series. Although I might need a bit of a break from fantasy after that.
General question, what do you guys read when you need a break from fantasy/sci fi
>Nigga I ain't reading all those spoilers.
Well I just realised that the third Mistborn was out.
And then I realised after reading it that
there's a fourth book in the sequence and another mini one too. Fuuck! At least I didn't get spoiled.
>Everyone seems to have a deep grasp of war, philosophy, and magic regardless of age, education, or profession.
>Fiddler, Grub, Udinaas, etc.
He's not even human, he was born from the souls of a warring people, and he grew up in an army close to the command structure. Of course he would know what to do.