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Are there any texts which would improve my argumentative skills?
I'm really terrible at arguing/debating, probably couldn't even convince someone that the sky appears blue
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Bumpu desu
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>>7609516

Greeks. Off the top of my mind, Rhetorics by Aristotle and more tangentially and in application, Apology by Plato.
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>>7609516
is that ceit's sister?
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How to argue and win everytime
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>>7609684
Show them your 9 inch dick.
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>>7609516
Where did you get that picture? Delete it please.
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>>7609697
It's too late, dozens it not hundreds of people have already saved it. It belongs to the internet now. Sorry.
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>>7609516

Classical Rhetoric for the Modern Student by Corbett/Connors is all you need
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>>7609516
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/0415081386/ref=aw_wl_ov_dp_1_3?colid=16FLMW98XYM3Z&coliid=I20CGUHUDBP5PW
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>>7609697
Bumpeen for more answers
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>>7609516
start with the greeks
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Republic desu. See how the pros did it, then go on to argue like a filthy eristic anyway because you have to prove your superiority to those you discuss things with like a NEET
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>>7609516
how to be a really good pain in the ass...find it on amazon.
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>>7609754
Please stop.
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>>7609516
>the sky appears blue
you are a shit.
the art of winning arguments is not being right of clever, it's about being confident and assertive.
since you said "appears" and not "is" , it shows that you cling to "truths" that have no real value in actual conversations so that means you will never be able to say something convincingly since you will think/know that it might not be technically true
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>>7610341
you sound like a dick
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>>7610391
But dicks fuck assholes, chuck.
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>>7609516
just outspread your opponent

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhzwSlK4uEc
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>>7610341
I deliberately said appears rather than is, because that's exactly the case
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>>7610857
Maybe that's why you suck at argumentation.

If you don't mind pirating things, there's a whole course by "The Teaching Company" on argumentation. It's not a book but may help.
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>>7609516
bump desu
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>>7610416
wew. I feel like a moron now.

How long time do they have to make a rebuttal? Surely it's not off the top of their heads (with notes obviously) immediately after the opponent finish their speech?
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>>7609516
SAUCE PLEASE
A L
U E
C A
E S
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buump
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>>7610341
Except there is a valid distinction between the statement of an intrinsic quality of something, 'The sky is blue.' versus individual perception and conscious subjective experience of something 'The sky appears blue.'
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Buuuuump
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>>7611546
Ask ceit
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Bump
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>>7611076
Well both of those speeches are the last speech of that debate.
Normally it's:
9 AFF
9 OPP
9 AFF
9 OPP
6 OPP
6 AFF
6 OPP
6 AFF
and you get to cherry pick 10 minutes of prep time in between the speeches
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>>7609516
Easy, Plato. Start with the Apology, go from there to Symposion and then go nuts on the dialogues.
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The Peloponnesian War - Thucydides (Focus on the speeches)

Early Dialogues - Plato

Rhetoric - Aristotle
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How to Win Friends and Influence People

There is no winning an argument. People already have their position and will not change until they are ready, ESPECIALLY if you confront them about it. Getting in arguments will just make people more stuck in their position, and maybe even dislike you and stop listening to you entirely.

If you want to convince someone of something new:

1. ASK if they would like your advice, or WAIT for them to ask you for it.
2. Tell them what you think in a polite way.
3. If they reject it, and you've tried once to explain your reasoning, drop it.
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>>7609703
Yup, I saved it specifically because you asked for it to be deleted.
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>>7610857
>>7611831
this is exactly my point. there is no place for nitpicking in arguing and debating.

it doesn't matter that it is true or not, nobody will take you seriously and you yourself won't be able to say anything with enough conviction to convince others
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>>7612265
...who is ceit?
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The name of the rose
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>>7613782
sexiest man alive
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>>7613782
>being this new
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>>7613725
If your opponent chooses to ignore what you have said and instead decides to stick with their stance regardless of the strength of your argument, then it doesn't matter your conviction. Debate is pointless with someone incapable of shifting their beliefs unless you have an audience who can draw their own conclusions.
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>>7609516
1 - Understand fallacies
2 - Reading-listening comprehension
3 - See 1 and specifically the "fallacy fallacy"
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>>7609642
Was going to say this. You must break elements of your opponent's argument down to its fundamental essences, then critique these with your thoughts and rebuild them in a way.
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>>7614986
we are taking about realistic debating/arguing, not idealistic
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>>7609714
Can't find this one anywhere, not libgen or bookz. Is it available for free anywhere?
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>>7615278
Not that I've problem with boobs, but wasn't this a SFW panel?
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>>7615359
The picture is clearly demonstrating a type of literary lifestyle, it is very relevant to the board
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>>7615442
How can I not see it?
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Try "the art of being right" by Schopenhauer
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bumping because there are probably more suggestions to be had
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>>7610165
Is it you?
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Read Cicero
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ayy ayy
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>>7609516
You are asking the wrong question. You don't need to read a specific book. You need to become more informed on a wider variety of subjects as well as becoming a more assertive conversationalist..
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