>>7603208 I had most of nietzsche views already in me, but at the same time, or even because of that I found him to be the best philosopher I read yet. If there are any "deeper" philosophers they're pretty much autistic and write stuff they though about when they were high
Was talking Nietzsche with the professor today and we talked about being better than others.
I said (retardedly) that if society is a natural evolution and component of human development, then sociopaths have an advantage over us. They're typically able to advance in society quite easily and make use of their disorder to rise in rank.
He said that doesn't work because Sociopathy doesn't typically mean your genes will be passed on. And then he said "Hitler had no kids!" And I did the stupid thing of implying Hitler was successful for a time. And we went back and forth, I was saying Hitler's rise to power was his moment of success and had he not been stopped he probably would have continued onward. Professor said it was irrelevant because Hitler brained himself at the end and said his ultimate goal was rendered pointless and destroyed.
We did this for awhile.
And then he just kept referencing me the entire class about "putting a bullet in your head" and "Invading Poland" the rest of class and people laughed at me for defending Hitler even though I really didn't mean to. I was only defending Nietzsche's idea of Will to Power and he got me caught up in Hitler and I had no choice but to look like a Nazi.
Anyway, how do I use Nietzsche to overcome this incredible shame.
>>7603713 I think Nietzsche is unfairly panned as an immoral individual, Ayn Rand though she was doing him a solid but I think people like her are the reason people have such a bad view of him; along with the fact that his sister helped edit his books for the Nazi regime. My pathetic understanding of his philosophy, summed up, was "Live what you love and love while you live" in that he was an artistically minded man who lived and breathed in poetic philosophy; and loved it. Part of his over coming of nihilism was that he created his own meaning through his art and passion, he wasn't the only one who did things like this, Oscar Wilde also comes to mind. Nietzsche loved the Greek god Dionysus because of his "eat drink and be marry for tomorrow we die" kind of projection, he certainly was not a sociopath lover like Ayn Rand. In fact, it has often been pointed out that Nietzsche's basic concept of the superman transcends things he even views as petty, revenge for example. Nietzsche hated pity that was inactive, not pity as an emotional response, his hate was against people who use their pity to do nothing; pious pity 'the poor will be with you always' kind of pity, to do nothing but console yourself. I love Nietzsche, and I hate seeing what has been done to his philosophy on the street level, he's attributed with monsters when he is most likely one of the most emotionally and spiritually complex philosophers I've ever read.
>>7603787 You may like Nietzsche: Philosopher, Psychologist, Antichrist by Kaufmann, it's partially a re-evaluation of Nietzsche's thought, and a try to correct Nietzsche's public image after Hitler (originally published in the 50s when the English-speaking world saw Nietzsche as that Hitler-philosopher)
>>7602930 I'd be surprised if my input means much against the mainstream opinion, but I feel like it was a waste of time. There are other more important things to read (skepticism, scholasticism, empiricism) in my opinion.
I have no idea why you wanted to read him, though - so I'm only mentioning my experiences.
I think The Gay Science is a solid place to start. Don't got chronologically, nietzsche himself wasn't too happy with The Birth of Tragedy. Not saying it isn't worth reading, but I wouldn't start there.
Also I'm just finishing pic related and it's fantastic for those who want some secondary Nietzsche literature
>>7603639 He would say (and I'm pretty sure he did say) that the best literature is that which allows you to realize what you actually already knew—in fact, that is what we tend to off-highhandedly think of as best.
>>7604455 Zarathrustra is the most like a novel though.
>>7604473 But in Genealogy he kind of hints that his work should be read in order, at least that's sort of what I understood it as. (At any rate, he does state near the beginning that if you don't understand the work that it is probably because you haven't read his oeuvre.)
>>7602597 Just read his wikipédia page, and you're done or even just the summary of his books you don't have all your fucking life to read so much shit (probably good shit but who knows, nobody read the whole fucking thing before)
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