Dear /lit/erally faggots,
My mom 61. She's university-educated, works, has four kids (lawyer, nurse, musician, and me who is a total fuck-up). She came to me today and told me her new project is to "get smart." She wants to do this by reading all the books she missed by getting her accounting degree in the '70s, raising kids, going back to work, etc etc. She wants one of those "Top 100" or "books to read before you die," or "best books of all time," or what the fuck ever lists to work from. Something that has a mix of classics like Plato with newer stuff like Anna Karenina. I would also appreciate a list with even newer items that have been published within the last 20-30 years if possible.
Problem is, there are approximately 943207 lists and I don't know which is "the best." They vary so wildly; for instance, a book that is #1 on one list won't even be featured on another list at all. So, which list should I send her to work from? Any help is much appreciated!
PS. Any list featuring Ulysses in the top 10 is discounted. I read her an excerpt from that tonight and she couldn't stop laughing at how ridiculous it was. So no, none of that tripe.
Thanks, but I need a way bigger list than that. We're talking 50+ books.
Pic related, it will make her realise that she is the fuck up and not you.
Those books are in those lists because of good reasons, they might have been endlessly reposted and most of them are considered memes but generally they are very good books and tend to give you a nice overview of literature.
As long as you stay away from lit philosophy meme books you should be fine.
I think this will help her get into it OP.
I know, I can just guarantee she's not going to be into Lolita or anything by Pynchon. If I give her Lolita to start out with, she's going to call me a faggot and never listen to anything I have to say regarding books ever again.
Novellas are a great idea actually. Anything more "old" in terms of novellas? Like...BC-through the 19th century? She has limited time to read and giving her 1000-page tomes isn't a good start either.
That's why I wrote what I wrote in the OP. Clearly you didn't read it. The point is, she wants to expand her horizons and learn, and I want to ease her into it. Lolita, Pynchon, and Dick Fuck Wallace aren't the ways to go imo. The novellas idea was a great suggestion tho.
Look at the TIME Top 100 Novels, there are some good picks there that aren't too stylistically challenging/complex.
Some other random recs:
Picture of Dorian Gray
Vonnegut is a good entry-level author. Also, all the high school writers (Fitzgerald, Hemingway, Golding, Orwell, Arthur Miller, Harper Lee) are a good place to start.
>She wants to do this by reading all the books she missed
She's far too old by now. Tell her to give up.
Excellent, thank you. And the high school authors are covered, considering she went to catholic HS in the late '60s, early '70s --they drilled that kind of shit into her brain. Even I read that stuff in my catholic school in the early 2000s.
Okay, Mr. Nihilism. I'm 28, might as well just kill myself now then.
So basically you want some books good enough for her to be like "whoa, I'm reading some good books!" but not so good that she can't understand them. Makes sense. You can't start with Ulysses after all. Here are my recommendations:
Family Happiness by Tolstoy
Slaughterhouse-Five and The Sirens of Titan
100 Years of Solitude
The Story of Philosophy by Durant
At this point she could probably advance to the next level stuff like Nabakov, Borges, and after them Faulkner.
Calling it "not hard" is a bit disingenuous. It IS difficult, but maybe not for the reasons most people say it is. I didn't understand a lot of the slang or references to Irish history/lore/whatever, and some chapters I almost completely didn't understand because of the subject matter and the style in which it was written. But you can really make it through and understand 70-80% of the book, desu
>PS. Any list featuring Ulysses in the top 10 is discounted. I read her an excerpt from that tonight and she couldn't stop laughing at how ridiculous it was. So no, none of that tripe.
she's already too retarded, i'm afraid.
>Any list featuring Ulysses in the top 10 is discounted
I cannot think of a serious list of contemporary or modern literature that does not begin with Ulysses, and I hate that shit.
You're yourself deluded if you think you'll get anything worthwhile here that isn't flooded by mediocre and irrelevant answers, and quite uneducated to believe 4chan in sorting up a genuine, backed up list of essentials titles.
I'm also discounting it because it fucking sucks and I'm not going to supply her a list with books that I know are terrible. People who push Ulysses and/or Finnegans Wake as great literature are totally deluded.
Yeah, I totally screwed up nihilism. I can't even remember the word I was going for. Help me senpai?
good English m80. Also, I wasn't looking for recommendations of books, I was looking for recommendations of which book list to recommend...as stated in OP.
I thought the point of feminism was to allow women to be educated enough to have the opportunity to write, not to retroactively decide that the few books written by them in the past should be declared better than anyone else's for the simple fact that they're women?
Not sure why you're bringing up feminism. Honestly, my point was that a list of 100 books that's 98% written from the perspective of men is a narrow, boring list, especially if it's to be recommended to a woman.
>Women authors suck, get over it.
This is an objective observation and not a biased interpretation as filtered through your own unseen ideology, to be sure. Fish don't notice water either, given their born into it.
Nah man, I criticize what I dont like. You just like what you are told. Every man in the world could tell me that Faulkner is a genius when he writes black speech in patois, but that doesnt mean I have to like it. You are a little bitch boy who nods his head eagerly when told that Pynchon is great, when he really is just shitting all over the page ala Pollock. And you gobble it up. Yum yum. mebbe with age you will get some personal taste.
I went into Citizen Kane with no expectations and very little knowledge of its reputation. I thought it was a great story, well-written with good acting and amazing cinematography and set design.
I would definitely watch it again for fun
EXCELLENT. This list is by far the best "top 100" or what the fuck ever I have seen yet. Only one or two /lit/ neck beard books on here. This is EXACTLY the shit I was looking for. Thank you sir.
Sorry, I don't get off on pretending I'm better than other people. At least I recognize I'm a piece of shit.
Lol no. Still has guys lining up tho.
Read a quick synopsis. Seems like a very good first book to recommend. Thank you!
buy her the Norton Anthology of English Literature. All eras, all volumes.
Cheap at a used bookstore if you can find it. Probably 10000 pages of literature. Little of it is bad. Most of it is squarely canon. If anything, it leaves out a lot.
>People who push Ulysses and/or Finnegans Wake as great literature are totally deluded.
You are literally retarded if you think Ulysses isn't the most important novel if the 20th century.
>i need a personalized thread diary full of people dedicating their time to post recommendations for a person they don't even know instead of just going to goodreads myself and using my own judgment
Shit, why didn't you say something earlier? I have about 3,500 cyberpunk pictures on my computer. I'd start a dump but it's 5am and I've got to sleep. If this thread makes it to when I wake up I'll throw you some more.
>Only one or two /lit/ neck beard books on here. This is EXACTLY the shit I was looking for. Thank you sir.
why come to this board if you discount the opinions of everyone on it out of hand?
>Read a quick synopsis. Seems like a very good first book to recommend. Thank you!
someone was baiting you
>She came to me today and told me her new project is to "get smart."
Get her Smart.