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Dear /lit/erally faggots,

My mom 61. She's university-educated, works, has four kids (lawyer, nurse, musician, and me who is a total fuck-up). She came to me today and told me her new project is to "get smart." She wants to do this by reading all the books she missed by getting her accounting degree in the '70s, raising kids, going back to work, etc etc. She wants one of those "Top 100" or "books to read before you die," or "best books of all time," or what the fuck ever lists to work from. Something that has a mix of classics like Plato with newer stuff like Anna Karenina. I would also appreciate a list with even newer items that have been published within the last 20-30 years if possible.

Problem is, there are approximately 943207 lists and I don't know which is "the best." They vary so wildly; for instance, a book that is #1 on one list won't even be featured on another list at all. So, which list should I send her to work from? Any help is much appreciated!


PS. Any list featuring Ulysses in the top 10 is discounted. I read her an excerpt from that tonight and she couldn't stop laughing at how ridiculous it was. So no, none of that tripe.
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>>7601079
Thanks, but I need a way bigger list than that. We're talking 50+ books.
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READ THE STICKY
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>>7601192
>>7601197
This is a great start, but anything with less /lit/ meme books?
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>>7601073
Pic related, it will make her realise that she is the fuck up and not you.
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>>7601207
Those books are in those lists because of good reasons, they might have been endlessly reposted and most of them are considered memes but generally they are very good books and tend to give you a nice overview of literature.

As long as you stay away from lit philosophy meme books you should be fine.
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>>7601207
they arent memes because they're bad
its not like we're recommending you buy her a copy of the 10 elemental masters
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>>7601207
Read all the books, not letting your prejudices control you.
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>>7601207
What's wrong with the meme books?
They're actually pretty good.
>>7601079
I like Angela's Ashes but most of this stuff is shit. Bookclub-core

If your mom is hardcore, she'll just read Bloom's Western Canon. Even though its a meme, there's tons of fantastic stuff on there.
Just do it.
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>>7601073

I think this will help her get into it OP.
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>>7601257

some classics here
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>not wanting to read ulysses

plebs
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>>7601232
>>7601226
>>7601225
I know, I can just guarantee she's not going to be into Lolita or anything by Pynchon. If I give her Lolita to start out with, she's going to call me a faggot and never listen to anything I have to say regarding books ever again.

>>7601257
Novellas are a great idea actually. Anything more "old" in terms of novellas? Like...BC-through the 19th century? She has limited time to read and giving her 1000-page tomes isn't a good start either.
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>>7601207
why did you come to /lit/ if you're gonna disregard our top 100?
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>>7601485
>I'm too good for the sticky
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>>7601390
>Mom's too dumb to appreciate things she's not "into".
Welp here we go.
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>>7601073

start with the greeks
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>>7601073
SWTG
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>>7601518
>too dumb

That's why I wrote what I wrote in the OP. Clearly you didn't read it. The point is, she wants to expand her horizons and learn, and I want to ease her into it. Lolita, Pynchon, and Dick Fuck Wallace aren't the ways to go imo. The novellas idea was a great suggestion tho.
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>>7601576
Look at the TIME Top 100 Novels, there are some good picks there that aren't too stylistically challenging/complex.

Some other random recs:
Picture of Dorian Gray
Frankenstein
The Alchemist
Vonnegut is a good entry-level author. Also, all the high school writers (Fitzgerald, Hemingway, Golding, Orwell, Arthur Miller, Harper Lee) are a good place to start.
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>>7601653
Others that come to mind are Steinbeck, the book Siddhartha. Damn, I'm reliving high school
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>>7601073
>She wants to do this by reading all the books she missed
She's far too old by now. Tell her to give up.
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>>7601079
... Why do you have that pic saved on your computer anon? : |
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>>7601079
What is this, the official mumcore list?
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>>7601653
>>7601661

Excellent, thank you. And the high school authors are covered, considering she went to catholic HS in the late '60s, early '70s --they drilled that kind of shit into her brain. Even I read that stuff in my catholic school in the early 2000s.

>>7601693
Okay, Mr. Nihilism. I'm 28, might as well just kill myself now then.
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>>7601073
Tell her to read The Tunnel: the only novel that matters.
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>>7602044
>he doesn't know what nihilism means
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>>7601073
You're mom is a complete fucking plebian
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>>7601192
That's not even the real list
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>>7601390
>would call me a faggot and not take recommendations from me for recommending one of the most beloved and read books in human history.
Get the fuck out
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>>7601390
Heart of Darkness
Siddhartha
Crying of Lot 49
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>>7602290

>plebian

When you commit your seppuku, what are you going to be thinking about?
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>>7601197
This is the most up to date one
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>>7602338
just wondering how ulysses can be number 4 when everytime we have a ulysses thread people talk about how they can't understand it or only got through a few pages etc ...
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>>7602330
Why would I commit sudoku when my mom isn't a retard and can read big girl books unlike OP's mom.
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>>7602354
these are only newfags
i really hope you cunts assimilate soon
it's fucking fobcity
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So basically you want some books good enough for her to be like "whoa, I'm reading some good books!" but not so good that she can't understand them. Makes sense. You can't start with Ulysses after all. Here are my recommendations:

Family Happiness by Tolstoy
Catch-22
Slaughterhouse-Five and The Sirens of Titan
100 Years of Solitude
The Story of Philosophy by Durant

At this point she could probably advance to the next level stuff like Nabakov, Borges, and after them Faulkner.
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>>7601073

>Ulysses
>Tripe

Sorry, not gonna help lad
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>>7602354
Ulysses is NOT a hard book.
This meme is a direct result of people who lack reading comprehension.
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>>7602354
You're thinking of Finnegan's Wake. Ulysses is fine.
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>PS. Any list featuring Ulysses in the top 10 is discounted
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>>7602370

Calling it "not hard" is a bit disingenuous. It IS difficult, but maybe not for the reasons most people say it is. I didn't understand a lot of the slang or references to Irish history/lore/whatever, and some chapters I almost completely didn't understand because of the subject matter and the style in which it was written. But you can really make it through and understand 70-80% of the book, desu
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>>7601390
You're not going to find any top 100 lists without Lolita or Ulysses. They're universally appreciated as two of the greatest novels ever written in English.
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>>7601073
>PS. Any list featuring Ulysses in the top 10 is discounted. I read her an excerpt from that tonight and she couldn't stop laughing at how ridiculous it was. So no, none of that tripe.

she's already too retarded, i'm afraid.
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>>7601758
kek'd m8
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>>7601073
>Any list featuring Ulysses in the top 10 is discounted
I cannot think of a serious list of contemporary or modern literature that does not begin with Ulysses, and I hate that shit.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_Library_100_Best_Novels
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>>7603162
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Monde%27s_100_Books_of_the_Century

Here, Le Monde wouldnt let a filthy anglo-speaker near the top of their list.
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You're yourself deluded if you think you'll get anything worthwhile here that isn't flooded by mediocre and irrelevant answers, and quite uneducated to believe 4chan in sorting up a genuine, backed up list of essentials titles.
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>>7603162
>I hate that a universally loved and praised book is always universally loved and praised
Wew lad
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>>7602417
>>7602409
>>7603162
I'm also discounting it because it fucking sucks and I'm not going to supply her a list with books that I know are terrible. People who push Ulysses and/or Finnegans Wake as great literature are totally deluded.

>>7602283
Yeah, I totally screwed up nihilism. I can't even remember the word I was going for. Help me senpai?

>>7603175
>you're yourself
good English m80. Also, I wasn't looking for recommendations of books, I was looking for recommendations of which book list to recommend...as stated in OP.

>>7602392
Goodbye.
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>>7603637
End yourself. You're too retarded to go on in this world.
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>>7601192
Is /lit/ actually so male-centric it only managed to include 1 female author? Christ.

reddit, tumblr, etc.
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>>7603679
Nah there are two, Shelley and Woolf.
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>>7603693
>2%
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The authors pic has 4
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>>7603704
5 actually.
It is really strange that George Eliot and Toni Morrison didn't even place. Though honestly I can't think of any other women who I'd really put up there.
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>>7603679
I thought the point of feminism was to allow women to be educated enough to have the opportunity to write, not to retroactively decide that the few books written by them in the past should be declared better than anyone else's for the simple fact that they're women?
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>>7601073
Bet she's got a nice pair of tits, eh OP?
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>>7603719
Not sure why you're bringing up feminism. Honestly, my point was that a list of 100 books that's 98% written from the perspective of men is a narrow, boring list, especially if it's to be recommended to a woman.
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>>7603719
Don't end statements with question marks. This is the literature board.
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>>7603744
Narrow sure, boring? No. Women authors suck, get over it. There's a reason there aren't many on there.
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>>7603775
>Women authors suck, get over it.

This is an objective observation and not a biased interpretation as filtered through your own unseen ideology, to be sure. Fish don't notice water either, given their born into it.
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This is the best list that I have found...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bokklubben_World_Library
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>>7602338
How many people here have actually read most or all of the books on this list?
I've only read four or five
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>>7603854
I'm at 44 and have attempted another 10-15 and found them insufferable exercises in prose masturbation.
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>>7603710
I am interested to know where beloved would place if 60% of the board had read it like Mishima or McCarthy.
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>>7603868
I'm 18 and I have read most. And no, I don't have that view. Maybe you're just very stupid and boring.
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>>7603400
No I just hate the book. I know why its praised. Its like Citizen Kane. I sure as fuck wouldnt watch that for fun either.
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>>7603913
>18
>Seeing fit to judge others based on their opinion

g'luck lad. im sure youll make it far.
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>>7603913
Sounds like you do things because adults or others tell you to do them or like them, and cant form opinions of your own.
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>>7603928
What?

>>7603934
Sounds like you want to feel smarter or superior by criticizing very good books.
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>>7603937
Nah man, I criticize what I dont like. You just like what you are told. Every man in the world could tell me that Faulkner is a genius when he writes black speech in patois, but that doesnt mean I have to like it. You are a little bitch boy who nods his head eagerly when told that Pynchon is great, when he really is just shitting all over the page ala Pollock. And you gobble it up. Yum yum. mebbe with age you will get some personal taste.
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>>7603950
Faulkner IS a genius, though. Pynchon, I don't really care for him. But it sounds like you are jealous of them, and want to feel superior by shunning them.
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>>7603922
You're just a mouth breather.
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>>7603950
>if it's difficult I don't like it
Wew lad...
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>>7601653
The Alchemist is a great read, I recommend it as well OP
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>>7603647
why are you so mean :(
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>>7603922
I went into Citizen Kane with no expectations and very little knowledge of its reputation. I thought it was a great story, well-written with good acting and amazing cinematography and set design.

I would definitely watch it again for fun
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>>7603854
I've read 41.
More than I expected. That's nice.
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>>7603820
>>7603820
EXCELLENT. This list is by far the best "top 100" or what the fuck ever I have seen yet. Only one or two /lit/ neck beard books on here. This is EXACTLY the shit I was looking for. Thank you sir.

>>7603647
Sorry, I don't get off on pretending I'm better than other people. At least I recognize I'm a piece of shit.

>>7603720
Lol no. Still has guys lining up tho.

>>7604071
>The Alchemist
Read a quick synopsis. Seems like a very good first book to recommend. Thank you!
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>>7601073

buy her the Norton Anthology of English Literature. All eras, all volumes.

Cheap at a used bookstore if you can find it. Probably 10000 pages of literature. Little of it is bad. Most of it is squarely canon. If anything, it leaves out a lot.
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>>7603704

this isn't actually that bad of a list. I remember voting for H Crane for it, too.
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>>7603637
>People who push Ulysses and/or Finnegans Wake as great literature are totally deluded.
You are literally retarded if you think Ulysses isn't the most important novel if the 20th century.
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>>7604191
>Only one or two /lit/ neck beard books on here.
You really are a retard, holy shit. Seriously, kill yourself.
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>>7601079
>no Paolo Coelho
4/10 b8
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>>7604191

The Alchemist is considered a joke OP, dont listen to them. Coelho is a big no.
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>>7604397
Uh oh, did I offend you? Better run back to your DFW effigy you little bitch.

>>7604199
You are beyond fucking retarded if you think it has any business being categorized as "literature" in the first place.

>>7604414
I doubt that.
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>>7604608

I'm from Latin America and he is considered literature for new age moms, so if you want your mother to be that, go ahead.
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>>7604608
I really was just staying in this thread to laugh at you but this is just sad.
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>>7604616
Actually yeah, that sounds about right. She does yoga every day. I mean, it won't warp her worldview will it?

>>7604639
>implying I could possibly be insulted by your kind
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>>7604692

Coelho is not good literature, but go ahead, whatever.
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>i need a personalized thread diary full of people dedicating their time to post recommendations for a person they don't even know instead of just going to goodreads myself and using my own judgment
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OP, thanks for the nice pics. Good stuff.

I hope your mom likes whatever you give her.
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>>7605121
Shit, why didn't you say something earlier? I have about 3,500 cyberpunk pictures on my computer. I'd start a dump but it's 5am and I've got to sleep. If this thread makes it to when I wake up I'll throw you some more.
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>>7604191
>Only one or two /lit/ neck beard books on here. This is EXACTLY the shit I was looking for. Thank you sir.
why come to this board if you discount the opinions of everyone on it out of hand?
>>7604191
>>The Alchemist
>Read a quick synopsis. Seems like a very good first book to recommend. Thank you!
someone was baiting you
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>>7601073
Yale Directed Studies

http://directedstudies.yale.edu

anything else is a meme answer
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OP start playing baduk with your mom
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>>7601073
>She came to me today and told me her new project is to "get smart."
Get her Smart.
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